and to then cut all contact with the person who has called them out?
This person claims they have manic depression and therapy is not working, and neither is the medication they were prescribed. You noticed before you found out they had manic depression that they had a habit of constantly lying, like claiming after 2 weeks of working for a company they were made manager but you know this is a complete an utter lie, to lying about being a millionaire and owning all of these properties,, which again is a lie, Never once could they ever be on time. Sometimes they would show up 2 hours late not just to meeting up with their partner, but also late to meeting up with their friends and late to work even though their job was a 10 minute drive from their place. The lateness was constant for years!
You found out they also cheated among many other things to the point that you just had enough of the BS, so you call them out for their lying and their crappy behaviour and you also point out how their best friend of 20 years is going through a tough time and needs a friend and how they have ignored them, and it was digusting they would do that, when that friend has been through hell and back, and would drop everything immediately to be by their side when they need a friend. Even though you are calling them out for such things, they instead flip things and accuse you of abusing them before they block you and refuse to have anything to do with you.
Is this normal for someone who has manic depression to see someone calling them out for such things as that person abusing them, do people with manic depression ever see their own wrong doings? and does the person with manic depression ever come back and apologise? or do they truly mean it when they tell you they want nothing to do with you? How do you get someone who has manic depression, to see and understand, nobody is abusing them, but rather we are trying to get them to see, how crappy their behaviour is, and that it's not okay
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Manic episodes typically require medication.
As for "calling them on it". Confronting a mentally ill person in a hostile non constructive way is potentially abusive yes, at best it's just a stupid thing to do.
You're not going to shame away a chemical imbalance.
The calling out happened before the person was even aware they had manic depression. Sorry I didn't explain that properly. Sorry I also didn't explain that this person has also made threats of harming someone before and after anyone knew they had manic depression, so calling them out for threateneing to harm someone still considered abuse?
This person also threatened to harm themselves and the very moment they knew I was going to call the cops as I was worried, they immediately stopped threatening to self harm before they blocked me. I don't know anything about manic depression. So are people on the receiving end of the crappy behaviour supposed to sit back and not say anything and allow it to happen.
Uh no, you refer them to professional help and avoid antagonizing them.
If you involve police you might just get them killed. So really ask yourself if they're just venting or are going to act.
Better to try to calm them down and hand them off to medical help.
Do you actually want to help this person or just pass judgement and add drama to the situation?
As for not knowing, educate yourself. Ignorance is no excuse, particularly after you realize your deficiency.
You don't have to be an expert to add a bit of basic psychology and descalation to your first aid skills.
They are receiving professional help but they have said the therapy and the medication is not working at all for them. Thankfully our police rarely ever draw their guns on anyone let alone shoot anybody. Our cops you can pretty much joke around with them and have a laugh. I've dealt with them myself when I was severely depressed and was close to ending my life and they were pretty amazing and I think that's why I didn't hesitate to even think about calling the police when they were threatening to harm themselves, because I knew they would want to help.
I do want to help this person especially since they are the father of my child but at the same time I'm clueless as to how to approach them anymore because I tried to approach them in a calm way but got nowhere, at the same time calling them out just resulted in big arguments and them saying I was abusing them before telling me we will never talk again and they want nothing to do with our child. I legit only found out a few months ago they had depression but i only found out in the past 48 hours they have manic depression. All of this time I just straight up put everything down to them being a straight up a hole and playing victim.
I really appreciate your help and especially you explaining things to me. I really need to take a step back and analyse future approaches with him, if he ever does come back, and try and figure out a way to get him to see and understand many things he says and does is not okay. I have a lot of learning and educating to do on manic depression. Thank you
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I searched Google and saw narcissism can be a symptom of manic depression. Had no luck in finding answers as to Weather or not if they ever see their own wrong doings. I genuinely thought the fact me calling them out, and the fact they went from having like 50 friends and their phone constantly blowing up daily with friends always calling and texting them, to now their phone basically being silent and them also knowing one of the guys who he was once friends with wife made it known she didn't like him, would have been an eye opener for him even showing him proof of his lies, I thought would be an eye opener for him but nope. Anyone dare call him out, he sees it as you abusing him.
They are developmentally 11 year olds who thrive off your negative or positive reactions. They basically feel nothing like a sociopath. They can not handle criticism at all. They will initiate fights just to feel…thrive off your emotions.
Thank you for your help. Appreciate it heaps
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