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pretty much, I have no idea what women want. think both sexes are confused. women don't want to make the first move as they don't want to look slutty. men don't want to make the move because they fear rejection/humiliation. also whoever makes the first move automatically removes their position of power. women want security, status, popularity all which I don't have. not even a matter of looks, looks don't seem to matter. if I was loaded things would be a much different story
"both sexes are confused. women don't want to make the first move as they don't want to look slutty. men don't want to make the move because they fear rejection/humiliation"
this really rings so true. Few men can handle rejection nowadays and few women take initiative (which isn't just nowadays, but probably always).
no offense to you women out there or guys I might offend but females have kind of destroyed guys because as you said you want use to be a certain way. It is like girls think that in a relationship girls expect guys to adjust to their needs and wants, sometimes making us bend backwards(no lie). the truth is that men are not very flexible. we don't wanna change and sometimes cant. us men want you to accept us for who we are because we are ourselves on a regular basis. if that is too hard to grasp then don't try. I myself don't complain or whine unless I am joking. it is like females want use to be at a certain point of emotion but if we miss that point we get chewed up.
I don't think they've destroyed men, they've simply made their requirements known, because of their burgeoning leverage as single women. Single men don't have nearly as much value to women as they used to, because there are so many more single men than single women nowadays.
For the general public I would say about 50/50 blame to both sides with me leaning a bit towards men being at fault. I say men more so because of whiny 'nice guys' crying and complaining women are shit simply because they got friend zoned for themselves being undesirable to the women they pine for. Women are to blame only in situations where they use men for money/gifts and lead men on which is nothing new in this world.
You just rattled off a lot of blame for women! But most of them refuse to be responsible for anything!
I take everyone for who they are. Men haven't become bitter and whiney. What ever issues you have with men don't judge the whole male population and blame the female population for it.
No not really. I've learned to do a 180 as soon as I even suspect she's a bitch, plays games or has an ego.. I get along just fine. The younger generation are getting destroyed so to speak but they will learn in time. As we get older we won't stick around long enough to get "confused" as you will learn also. But you will always have the desperate ones who will put up with anything, those are the true wimps.
Look, we guys know how the world works. Everything is a competition. Everything. In work, school. play, dating, driving, ect. you are only judged by how much better you are than other people. If you are not taking advantage of someone, you are being taken advantage of.
This is what is messing everything up. Relentless dynamism. If you don't end up in the top 1% you are forced into a cubicle with (hopefully) a girl and are cheated out of time, money, and everything else. Then you are paid a fraction of your work, are yelled at to do better, and repeat.
It's not girls, its society. If we are too alpha we will end up jobless and homeless, too beta we will go no where. Couple that with the "you are special" "be true to yourself" and other hippie messages and you have your bitterness and confusion.
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Misogyny /m s d ni/ is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.[1][2] Misogyny has been characterised as a prominent feature of the mythologies of the ancient world as well as of various religions. In addition, many influential Western philosophers have been described as misogynistic.[1] link
"Men have become..."
No. It's as old as philosophy. As old as the discovery of brute force and fighting, the discovery of alcohol.
Yes but I think destroy is the wrong word. In modern society gender roles have become blurred, and that makes things more confusing for both genders. Women do send a lot of mixed messages and that can be very confusing.. I think its partly due to the fact that women are told that they want a sensitive man but their instincts tell them they want a manly man.
"I'm a nice guy and shallow women won't give any a chance!" That always makes my laugh.
You know what makes me laugh? I just want a NICE GUY who will treat me Right!. Then deliberatley goes for the a**hole and says WHERE have all the NICE GUYS GONE?
Oh and I'm sure you're one of those "nice guys" that just can't catch a break. :(
What makes me laugh are the abundant threads and Facebook posts from women asking, "Where are all the nice guys? All the guys I meet just want to have sex!"
That's right AndyWes, maybe men have destroyed women.
Veoh and Andy: Maybe just maybe you don't come across like the nice guys you think you do. So much easier to blame all women then to look at yourselves.
No no, don't get me wrong. I used to be a nice guy, I am so not anymore. According to the last laughing, grinning hotties who chimed in, I am an ass and something of an a**hole, and that's the way I like it!
Oh Andy your links are as funny as you are. I'm sure you'll make some wonderful woman miserable.
last girl I was with was obviously very miserable, moaning and rubbing her chest as I worked on her, lol. but she had a great figure--perfect sized breasts and her scarlet panties matched her bra, --so she was worth it, I'm not ashamed to say.
If people respect others as humans, then a person's ugly side wouldn't have to come out, blame it on the female user that started this BS of a debate. if a woman has daddy issues (knowing he wasn't around) and grows up taking it out on men, then I say men have destroyed women. All I can do is pray for her. It's not healthy holding grudges, knowing God doesn't bless those that do.
Andy: That moaning you heard was the p*rn you were watching as you "took care of business". Reality and fantasy are two different things.
Veoh: Stop sniffing glue.
Veoh: Why are you going after me? I asked a question. I read the answer Andy gave I get what he is saying. I didn't attack anyone and it's not my fault people on this site can't have a civil debate.
Go ahead and take God's words as a joke, but on judgement day that's when you'll face an angry god, but that day is too late knowing you can only be saved while you're still living on earth.
What are you talking about? How did I take God's word as a joke?
Aww now, don't be jealous of people who get laid, I'm sure your vibrator is dandy and one day, a "real man" will see how much you offer!
If it was a choice between a vibrator and you. I'll chose the vibrator, unless of course I have 30 seconds to waste. Now go watch some more p*rn and get ready for bed.
You looked down on what I was talking about, that's how you took it as a joke.
I have not had an exchange with you on this site. You are fighting with other women not me.
Question Asker, I really ment the lade who gave you this answer, took God's words as a joke, now as far a you go, when you said in your question "men whiny" seems like you want to personally attack them, like women have no flaws at all.
The whole point of my question was that women have messed with guys minds too much and yes some men have become whiny and bitter but I don't really think its their fault.
Well you could of said that in your question "it's not a man's fault" you gave off the wrong impression that you believe in being the anti-male. A person's character determinds how they get treated, if they don't know more of you.
And why can't you say men have messed with guys minds too much as well?
I think you need not look at GAG men for the general consensus on women because most don't hate women nor are they bitter.
She has my vote.
Yeah, because guys are really going to criticize you when they're trying to get into your panties! Has it occurred to you that maybe GAG reflects what guys in real life actually think but are too afraid to say?
This about sums it up. But I think it's safe to say that time changes things. It's younger women that seem confused. Once the biological clock kicks in and they realize the time for messing around has come and gone they get a lot more rational...
I'll say both men and women destroyed men because of the expectations Guys are notorious for over complimenting and appreciating women and when guys do this it does nothing but boost the female ego to astronomical heights therefore making it harder and harder for men to even get the below average plain Jane women.
SOME MEN are bitter and whiney because they can't get dates or feel that men are superior to women and we should be subserviant to them when we are equal
how is that womens fault?
we don't do those things at all, we want men to be sensitive but being needy and clingy is TOO sensitive that's who people tell to man up not regular sensitive people, it gets misinterpreted to mean all sensitive people that's all.
we don't tell manly men theyre pigs either, we call arrogant jerks theyre pigs
"we don't do those things at all."
So none of that has ever happened before, bullshit.
most of the time its misinterpreted or twisted, how many regular people are told theyre too sensitive? none, most people told that are whiney clingy people, most of the time men are called pigs are when they cheat, paw a strange woman or treat her as an object or generally act like a jerk. hardly anyone calls a regular person that for no reason
Thank you for proving our point
As Andy said, I suppose the women who are afraid of being raped at night are a bunch of p****** who overreact. Chickens, bok, bok!
That last part made no sense. LOL How am I supposed to act again?
I have certainly been burned by a couple of rude selfish women but I wouldn't say that women have destroyed men. Women just want a man that acts like a man but knows how to be sensitive when the time comes. Women get the raw end of the stick just as much as men do. So I think we all mess up each other.
Not just that, but because of it, I simply don't bother with them anymore and stopped when I was a teenager still. Just not worth it. I'll stay single lol.
But men in general haven't "made" women any better either. I think both genders are to blame and society in general. It's kind of sad really.
I think that we have gone too fat in cutting their balls off. That's what I think. We went from the idea to become equal to the point where we want them to accept they mean nothing to us but still act like we want them to.
Men are clueless because they are clueless. Women have nothing to do with it.
No the mixed signals outright dishonesty swaying of emotions have no effect on man and they are free to do so.
Case and point.
Men are clueless because they're lied to. They're told that women want nice, respectful, thoughtful men who don't view them as sexual objects. Then they try it, and it fails, because women hate that.
Yes, I know. The "nice guy" just can't win.
When you're lied to about the rules, how can you win? It's one thing to fail at the game. It's another to get told a different set of rules and THEN lose, don't you agree? But don't worry, I am my fellow men are doing our best to spread the truth, and give you the alpha you deserve, lol.
Any woman that brags about giving men mixed signals is a douche bag who's not worth dating at all. Games are for kids.
lol men are smarter then women. that's a simple fact, the best in the world at anything is a man. so no women are clueless sorry to burst your bubble but I can run and cook circles around you lol
Andy: "I am an ass and something of an a**hole, and that's the way I like it!" And you still can't get a woman. LOL
Veoh: Have you hit your heard recently?
Well if it isn't little dudeman. Can't figure out if you're a neanderthal or a closeted homosexual.
It all depends on how high your standards are. "cute" and "pretty" women are easy to just get as FWB's, if you want, you just have to be willing to ask. The problem is when you want a girl that is stunning and has brains--male version of alpha chasing. Think, an 8, but she's sharp, smart, and has decent character. That's a rare combo, and much harder.
Maybe you love for guys to give you mixed signals then, it may not have happen in real life but you can't put yourself in men shoes, so women takes things for granted.
Did you expect anything else to see that almost every women sees no Problem with it. Women just don't care at all about a guys problems. All they want is how much can this guy do for me and spend on me for me to invest my time in trying to take his stuff
The men I respect and admire are the ones who keep it together and manage the relationships in their lives in a healthy way despite the influence from others
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