Why today as an adult woman seem so confusing to me (the gender conundrum)

[CasaNorba]

Before I start I would like to point out that this MyTake is pretty controversial… readers discretion is advice.

Now for a start I would also like to point out I’m not targeting any specific group of people in this MyTake. All I am doing is pointing out one of the top most biggest hypocrisy behind our society. I don’t know how many of you guys have come across this Meme while surfing the internet…

But yes I made this Meme myself one day when I was completely bored and decided to express one of my main confusions in life to the world. So anyways this whole MyTake revolves around this Meme. Why did I am I doing this? You may ask, and to answer that question I simply just felt that just making a Meme out of this issue isn’t enough to vent out my deception. So I’ve decided to write this MyTake to take my ventilations even further.

Anyways by now you are probably also thinking that all of this has to do with looks and the answer to that is simply, NO!

If you really want to know the issue all you have to do is know who these people in the Meme are and differentiate what they do or have done in life and rest assure that the answer will pimp slap you in the face. Which of course you can do this without a grain of knowledge if you were born after the 1970s and raised in America. But of course I’m pretty sure that there are still a lot of you who will still remain confused either way so I’ll just get to the point.

The point here is that we been fed bullshit since our childhood all the way through our adulthood. During our childhood we are forces to see women as these angelic creatures who…

• Are sweet, friendly and innocent


• Are soft and fragile


• Requires us to come to their rescue every time they are in trouble

But once we are teenagers and step our game up in the world of entertainment we are forced to see women as these demonic creatures who…

• Crave for rough, brutal and humiliating sex


• Use sex to get whatever they want in life such as money, fame, attention or any other good old “shortcuts” in life


• Love to degrade themselves by exposing their body parts to the general public to again get money, fame, attention or any other good old “shortcuts” in life

To sum it all up I been thinking that maybe this is why today me along with millions of other male adults out there now find women pretty confusing. I mean don’t get me wrong, I sure as hell don’t have a problem with women and their ­specific sexual needs or any of the things they choose to do in order to have fun and enjoy themselves in life. In other words I’m not saying women who…

• Have/had multiple sex partners

• Have extreme sexual urges and fetishism

• Love hardcore out of the norm sexual activities

• Enjoy shaking and twerking their booties or hell even flash their boobs out in public and social venues like nightclubs, public parties, parades, etc.

Are sluts, rejects of society or anything within that nature. In fact like any competent man out there I actually love, enjoy and appreciate the existence of women like these who aren’t afraid to come out of their shelves and show off their wild side.

Now when women (not all) choose to do these things in front of a camera for the world to see, hoping that they will get rewarded back with a ticket that grants them free access to living the good life as mentioned earlier…

So much till the point that they end up influencing the crowed of younger women negatively, such as making it seem like this is the only way for women to get ahead in life, be seen and get whatever they wish for the easy way.

While in this same boat polluting the views of the younger male audience, by making them believe that all women are extremely shallow by the default and that the only way we could be successful with women is to accept, live up to, support and provide women in their false shallow nature then I don’t think we don’t have just a problem here! Don’t know how many of you agree with me.

Of course women aren’t the one to be blamed here. From my point of view there is only one thing that is purely guilty of this crime and that thing is none other than our great one… our Social Media!

Looking back in time all the way till today all I can think of is how hypocritical and backstabbing our social media can be to us. I mean it’s just funny that when we are children they show us everything including specific group of people one way, then later on when we mature they want us to see these same exact things in distortion mode. So coming to a conclusion I just want to ask…

What is the point behind all this!?

• Are they really trying to conserve our childhood innocencs?


• If so, is there really such thing as childhood innocence?


• What is the point of conserving something that is going to hurt and backfire on us later on in our lives?


• Why not give us the real deal of life within our childhood so we can get accustomed to life earlier?

I mean I’m pretty sure that during war we don’t tell our soldiers that fighting in combat is as fun as playing Call of Duty.

So why keep messing with our heads?

Anyways going back to why I now find women confusing thanks to all these media madness, I think I’ve figured that distorting our views on the opposite sex is the worst thing the social media could do or have done to us if you really think about it. I mean so what if it…

• Tricks us into living a false reality


• Alternates our own believes


• Make us worship money more everything else


• Pressure us to mimic celebrities and other TV personas


• And beyond...

As humans we can all overcome this one way or another. But if our views on the opposite sex gets distorted then how are we supposed to…

• Reproduce and keep humanity going?


• Love and accept one another?


• Live a well-balanced life?


• Raise our children properly?

It’s no wonder why the world today is so damn hectic and everybody is going punk on relationships, marriage, etc. but again the social media could really mess us up in this area of life but I think there is a solution to this. I think there is a way to immunized ourselves from this madness and that is to keep our selves busy! So busy that you will come to the point that you forget TV exist.

If you have a favorite hobby right now such as a favorite sport, composing music, etc. focus on that and try to become better at it, till the point that you become a legend at it yourself. And if you see your favorite idol on TV, whether he or she is an athlete, singer, etc. Just try to see them as an inspiration vs something that you need to imitate in order to be successful. Look at all of your favorite idols and analyze all the good qualities they have that make them your favorite idol. Then put all these qualities together and try to manifest them yourself as one. Do this all you’ll be a legend yourself in no time.

And for the ladies I just want to remind you that you aren’t an exception. There is no need for you to humiliate and degrade yourself by exposing your body parts to all these sex deprived losers out there, and you definitely don’t need to exchange your most sacred body part to any celebrity losers out there just to get ahead in life. Of course you always got this option, but I wouldn’t recommend it as in the end your morality, modesty, class, and decency will always be at steak. And believe me when I say that not all the money and fame in this world will make up for this nor will it ever stop you from feeling miserable in the end.

But anyways I’m closing down now and already I can tell you that Im feeling good as I’m currently writing this, knowing that I got all of this off my chest once and for all. And as usual, keep up the peace and keep making this world a better place!

[ShaeNielson]

I don't know. First of all, you say you became very confused due to different presentations of the female gender, throughout your up bringing.
When we where children, we where shown prince charming, the brave prince who would love and come rescue us.
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Where in the teen years we see "men" like these:
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Im not confused, why are you?

Second, that last part very judgmental, very wrong and very much bullshit.
"There is no need for you to humiliate and degrade yourself by exposing your body parts" We are not humiliating or degrading ourselves, we don't lose our morality and decency and we don't end up miserable. Saying it like that, suggests you think of women as nothing but hot asses, if we have shown our "most sacred body parts" we lose our value and become nothing but miserable, indecent losers. This is not the middle east, women don't have to be hidden away under layers of clothes, to be seen as decent human beings.

[CasaNorba]

first of all you got it the other way around. i was never encouraging women to go out and exposed their body parts to anyone. and i never said women have to be hidden under layers like in the middle east.

seriously, did you even read my article from beginning to end? or did you just cherry picked things that only leans towards your convenience at judging other?

[ShaeNielson]

I read the whole thing, and I gave you my opinion about it.

[CasaNorba]

well your opinion is flawed because you are basically putting words in my mouth.

where exactly did i said

- women are nothing but hot asses

- all women should cover up like women in the middle east

where exactly did i said these things?

[SweetAndSassy14]

No you didn't say those things but you did state that a woman is a whore if she expresses her sexuality... I know that for sure..

[ShaeNielson]

"There is no need for you to humiliate and degrade yourself by exposing your body parts to all these sex deprived losers out there, and you definitely don’t need to exchange your most sacred body part to any celebrity losers out there just to get ahead in life. Of course you always got this option, but I wouldn’t recommend it as in the end your morality, modesty, class, and decency will always be at steak. And believe me when I say that not all the money and fame in this world will make up for this nor will it ever stop you from feeling miserable in the end."

Right there.

[CasaNorba]

@SweetAndSassy14 point out exactly where i said that

@ShaeNielson if you reread what i said before that you will noticed that i did say that women dont need to do these things in order to GET AHEAD in life. i dont know if you read the top part but i think you miss the part where i said...

"I sure as hell don’t have a problem with women and their ­specific sexual needs or any of the things they choose to do in order to have fun and enjoy themselves in life. In other words I’m not saying women who…

Have/had multiple sex partners

Have extreme sexual urges and fetishism

Love hardcore out of the norm sexual activities

Enjoy shaking and twerking their booties or hell even flash their boobs out in public and social venues like nightclubs, public parties, parades, etc.

Are sluts, rejects of society or anything within that nature."

[ShaeNielson]

I read that part, and you are pretty much just contradicting yourself.

[CasaNorba]

no you guys did not see that part huh? you guys only saw the part that sounds the most negative and decided to jump to conclusion over it. either way you guys are both 100,000% wrong and i dont even know why i'm here wasting my time arguing with two minors who are probably inexperienced.

seriously come back when you two finish high school and get more experienced with life

[ShaeNielson]

Or, you come back when you make up your mind, about what your opinion is.

[CasaNorba]

i'm not the one with opinions here and i've made my mind a while ago. if this wasn't the case i would of never wrote this article in the first place, thank you very much

[SweetAndSassy14]

"•Have/had multiple partners, Have extreme sexual urges and fetishism , Love hardcore out of the norm sexual activities , Enjoy shaking and twerking their booties or hell even flash their boobs out in public and social venues like nightclubs, public parties, parades...
Are sluts, rejects of society or anything within that nature.
😊

[CasaNorba]

@SweetAndSassy14 read what i said before that

[SweetAndSassy14]

Well isn't that a contradiction?
You stated that"I sure as hell don’t have a problem with women and their ­specific sexual needs or any of the things they choose to do in order to have fun and enjoy themselves in life. In other words I’m not saying women who…ECT"
And then say everything that they do for fun is whorish?

[CasaNorba]

@SweetAndSassy14 are you illiterate or retarded?

[CasaNorba]

again reread the whole thing once again

[SweetAndSassy14]

No I'm not the illiterate one here...
I just used the evidence from your myTake and technically used it against you..
Your myTake wasn't really thought out as well as it should have been.. you constantly contradicted yourself by saying one thing then opposing it the next. That's why I thought it was really not worth reading but then again I wanted to be polite and read it just for your sake.
That's when I saw you slut shamed women and have a strong distaste for female sexuality.
Which I definitely disliked about your argument..
I'm an equalist I believe that slut shaming (Madonna/Whore) complex is a useless argument.
You believe that all women must be the innocent fictional characters you once knew that are always damsels in distress.. which your innocent self believed to protect and rescue.
Which is very unrealistic.. many girls though that they'll get their prince charming and run off into the sunset.
When I was a kid I thought about finding a guy who was my partner in crime..

[SweetAndSassy14]

*Thought
... But hey that was me as a child.. anyway your beliefs on female sexuality are in fact ignorant.. you believe that all women are either whores or Madonnas..
Which is a very flawed argument.. there are plenty of females (including myself) who are in fact neither... but we are stereotyped as otherwise.. which is a shame..

[CasaNorba]

@SweetAndSassy14 no the problem is that you have reading issues. notice how you and @ShaeNielson are the only 2 who have interpreted it this way.

so end of story. i'm getting sick of arguing with a brick wall

[SweetAndSassy14]

No you just don't have the correct argument to prove that your right... cause your arguments are very flawed.. and incorrect.. lol 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆

[CasaNorba]

whatever @SweetAndSassy14. come back when you graduate high school and learn how to read and write and become more experienced with the real world

[Mesonfielde]

@TakeOwner

""and you definitely don’t need to exchange your most sacred body part to any celebrity losers out there just to get ahead in life""

You essentially claim that the most valuable asset of a woman is the integrity of their vagina.

[GoodDogNigel]

Or you could look other places other than popular media for role models.

https://i.imgur.com/ooVvkYc.png

[nalaa]

"But once we are teenagers and step our game up in the world of entertainment we are forced to see women as these demonic creatures" No you're not. If you choose to worship kim kardashian and porn stars as role models (which a lot of guys do), then yes, but that doesn't mean that there aren't good role models out there.

I do agree the media focues on sex and women's bodies to an over-proportionate amount but we don't "Love to degrade themselves by exposing their body parts" it's just what you have to do to stay in the public eye. At least if you're a figure that appeals to men primarily. Why? Because they want to see it. And as a result a lot young girls think they have to do the same in order to attract men. But if you really think there are many girls who prefer hooking up and watching netflix or the traditional dinner and he walks you home date, you have lost total sense of reality

Also a lot of the ideas you mention there, I don't think you would get from mainstream media. Those are ideas you only get from porn, so I would recommend you watch your porn consumption if it influences how you see women that much. Porn is different from mainstream media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRJ_QfP2mhUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9pPgIraoOM

"it’s just funny that when we are children they show us everything including specific group of people one way, then later on when we mature they want us to see these same exact things in distortion mode" you seem to assume that the image of the sweet innocent disney princess is an undistorted image, it's not ! People always complain about girls wanting "prince charming" because he's not a realistic figure, well the same is true opposite gender

Ever heard of the madonna whore complex? Because that's what your post screams

[CasaNorba]

first of all i was never talking about me personally seeing them as "Role models." i was talking about how it distorts the perception of the youth. and i never said women love to degrade themselves to the public. again i was talking about how the media makes it seem this way for the youth. and did i ever said that porn influences the way i see women, NO!

coming to the conclusion i dont think you read my article very well. i recommend you read it again carefully for a second time. once you do this feel free to come back and comment on this

[nalaa]

I wasn't talking about you personally either I was using you as a general ... term

" i never said women love to degrade themselves to the public" ikd if you do but a lot of guys DO, that was my point. At least if you define degrading as stripping and twerking or whatever. I mean are seriously telling me guys don't enjoy watching that? I know you didn't say it, which is why I said it. I think it's something you missed.

" and did i ever said that porn influences the way i see women" I know you didn't, that's the problem. "Crave for rough, brutal and humiliating sex", "Love hardcore out of the norm sexual activities", "Have extreme sexual urges and fetishism" that is porn, not mainstream media. You don't even realize porn is a major part of your distortion problem, so I was pointing it out. I know guys say they can tell porn from reality but science tells us that's not true, it leads to exactly what you are experiencing and seeing women the way you do

[CasaNorba]

ok i didn't understood a word you said in the first paragraph.

"that is porn, not mainstream media." so are you saying that porn isn't mainstream media? and i didn't say i have a problem distinguishing porn from reality, i'm 28 years old and that is basically common sense to me now. but back when i was younger, inexperienced and couldnt tell entertainment from reality i did. do you know how many young dudes out there actually believe/believed that all women

- expect guys to have 8-12" penises

- expect the sex to last over an hour

- expect that their b/f goes hardcore on them till the point she sounds like he's killing her in bed

- expect their b/f to be lean and ripped

- only live for sex and would dump their b/f if he can't accomplished all that i mentioned above

a lot of young men grow up with these stigmas. so with this said i clearly never said that porn wasn't the problem

[nalaa]

No I'm saying your view of women comes from porn more than mainstream media

" i didn't say i have a problem distinguishing porn from reality" science says you do and it causes men to see women exactly the same way you do, always craving sex, liking to be degraded or humiliated, always wanting something more extreme, do everything for money.
But of course most men, like yourself, don't realize porn distorts their image of women like that.

Mainstream media doesn't do most of that. It some, but it does NOT portray women as liking to be degraded or humiliated, always wanting something more extreme in bed. Which are things you are specifically mentioned. Those ideas you got from porn

I guess guy like to blame reality shows more, because they don't like them, quitting is easy, but porn, well they do enjoy watching it and they don't want to see anything wrong with it

The first paragraph wasn't really that complex, I'm saying women do those things because men like to see them

[nalaa]

which is a major part of the problem, that you completely ignored

[CasaNorba]

well you are obviously focusing only on what i said on porn. because porn wasn't the only problem clearly mentioned here

[nalaa]

you didn't say anything about porn, that's the problem. You're missing a huge contributor to the way you feel about women

[CasaNorba]

ok now you are contradicting yourself... i really there is no more point in arguing with you

[nalaa]

humor me, how am i contradicting myself?

[CasaNorba]

reread everything you said from beginning to end and you'll get your answer... perhaps you will humor yourself along the way

[muspelhem_5]

I honestly agree with Take Owner that the media paints a distorted view of women, and personally think porn is one of the lesser offenders in this sense.

At least in porn (unless you're really bad at reading body language) you get an intimate glance at someone either enjoying sex or not really enjoying it and doing it purely for the money. But you get an impression of the person.

Not so in convential media like movies etc., where the picture is all too often scrubbed of any depth, charicatured, simplified and reduced to archetype.

The bigger lie lies there: in all the fairytales of brave princes saving fragile damsels from dragons. Most useless scenario ever. Plus the sinister "and they lived happily ever after". As other authors have pointed out, this is at the root of the nice guy problem: guys believing that being nice enough to a woman they like will result in the reward of requited love. We are spoon-fed this stuff from a young age and it fucks us up.

[muspelhem_5]

As a side-note, the military has a similar scam going, bombarding young boys with tales of heroism in the army, all with the very sinister purpose of recruitment. Call of Duty, American Sniper, whatever they're called, they all serve the same purpose: supplying cannon fodder for the military adventures of older and more cynical men.

[nalaa]

@muspelhem_5
He said he sees women as wanting to be degraded, wanting ever more extreme stuff in the bed and have extreme fetishes. What kind of TV are you guys watching?
Unless you watch some kind of reality trash all day long, I don't see how you would pick that up in mainstream TV? I mean seriously what are you watching? The only thing I can think of would be 50 shades of grey and even that was very harmless and doesn't convey the attributes he described

I never disagreed that mainstream media points a very sick and wrong image of women, but some things he said, that's clearly from porn. Because all of that applies to pretty much all mainstream porn.
And I disagree that porn gives you an impression of the person. If there is any media that objectifies women, it's porn. If there is a media that degrades and humiliates women, it's porn.
People talk about porno-fied media for a reason. It used to be exclusive to porn, now it's not. It's overswappin to mainstream media

[nalaa]

It's also well documented, for decades, that porn affects men and their view of women and not in a good way
newsbusters.org/.../cnn-highlights-pornographys-destructive-effects-society
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...ewiring-our-brains.html
www.ricestandard.org/.../
en.wikipedia.org/.../Effects_of_pornography
https://byuresearch.org/ssrp/research.html

[Yc2K15]

I think this chick is obsessed with porn ^^^^^

[CasaNorba]

@Yc2K15 exactly what i thought

[Red7336]

i didn't finish it tbh (sorry)

but i agree 100%

and about male-female confusion
i think this is not the only reason

you see,
most men think like this
"oh she likes this or that... then every woman out there likes it too !"
which is wrong
you have to be VERY flexible when dealing with women because yes there is grey area but usually two women can be the COMPLETE opposite of each other and more men need to understand this and know that you need to understand your woman and deal with her accordingly

and the stuff you pointed out... well i think you are discussing like 10 issues all at once lol
1- when we were children the media wasn;t corrupted and it was actually about conveying positive messages and teach kids the right morals
2- as we grew things changed and media became more focused on sex since i sells
3- and now as adults... well i think the media is too corrupt to go back or get fixed

so it's not really women that are changing dramatically it;s about the media changing the image of women... which then becomes the norm... which affects women into actually changing and it teaches them to wear less and less because that's all they are good for
of course not all women fall for it but a big portion does... then males see the stuff they see on tv in real life and they believe that women ARE actually those things he sees in rap music or w/e
and then we get to a new level of nudity and sexualisation and the same happens and then a new level and so on
if you look at movies or music nowadays and compare it to porn you won't find much of a difference, there are music icons who grind, kiss, inappropriately touch... etc all on stage and it's all done publicly
now show that to your parents or grand parents they will be repulsed and embarrassed and they have every right to feel that way,,, because it IS NOT ok but the media normalized it for us

and of course women degrading themselves like that affect all women AND men (as you mentioned)

it's a biiiiiiiig and looooooong complicated process and an even longer discussion... but yea it's bad and sad lol
and i think it's too late to go back now (unless some miracle happens)

[Red7336]

oh and by the way i think it;s GREAT when a guy is capable of critical thinking like that, who can question things and can see beyond the surface and can actually have deep discussions about stuff
keep it up !

[CasaNorba]

oh thank you :)

but yea i'll try since i've always been fascinated by controversial topics in our society. but yea my parents and grandparents used to be part of that crowed to and of course as young as i was back then i thought they were ignorant. now that i'm older and mature i now understand them.

but oh well what kills me the most is that people in our nowadays society do all these things all for money and attention

[fauchelevent]

Just want to point out that Kim Kardashian never meant for that video to be on camera for others to see. That was a private video that was shared after it was taken against her consent, not something that she wanted to happen.

I think that the important thing to remember is that this works both ways. As children, little girls are shown exactly what kind of man to fall in love with as an adult and that man is:

- Charming
- Handsome
- Elegant
- Brave
- Polite

Most men nowadays are very different to that. And the answer to why that is is simple: Men are people, not fairytales. Women are the same way. What we see growing up is not a realistic portrayal of what people are, that's an idealistic view. Whilst we may grow up seeing fairytales on screen and dreaming that one day our prince (or princess) will come, the facts are that people are rarely so perfect, and neither sex should be blamed for not being able to live up to unrealistic standards that are set upon them just because they happen to be male or female.

[CasaNorba]

you think so? then why did she bought the rights of the sextape and publicized it instead of suing the people who released on video and having it be removed from the shelf?

and yes it does work both and i think i tried pointing that out. i just used my confusion towards women because i can't really speak in behalf of the opposite sex. but again it still doesn't justify the media distorting or sugar coating our views on the opposite sex just to in the end continue to discourage us in the world of dating and relationships.

anyway is kinda funny and ironic how a year ago i would blame feminism for today's gender imbalance. but after writing this article i've finally felt like i've woken up and smelled the coffee and notice who the real crooks are

[fauchelevent]

I'd have done the same thing in her position probably. It's a horrible thing, but doing that, I get something out of it too and I take a lot more of the money away from the bastard who put it up without my consent :P I think that the media likes to give children an idealistic view of everything, not just the opposite sex. In kid's media, everything ends well and people get happily ever after and there's charming heroes and brave knights and there's only a few bad people and they get defeated by being good and pure and believing in yourself. The adult's media shows different ideas :) It's good that you've had something of an epiphany and actually, feminism speaks a lot about unnatural media representations like this, so you share some beliefs.

[Onlyinit4fun]

"But once we are teenagers and step our game up in the world of entertainment we are forced to see women as these demonic creatures who…
Crave for rough, brutal and humiliating sex
Use sex to get whatever they want in life such as money, fame, attention or any other good old “shortcuts” in life
Love to degrade themselves by exposing their body parts to the general public to again get money, fame, attention or any other good old “shortcuts” in life"

I'm just really flabbergasted that this is something you youngsters believe in.

And I'm not THAT old but this is so foreign to me. First of all media is just that, fiction.. not real, anyone who follows whatever BS is displayed in media ESPECIALLY the internet is weak minded. Yes I've said it: weak minded!

That's why you youngesters need to start living in reality. Stop looking at entertainment as if it's the holy grail. It's a bunch of bullshit! And it's used to keep people dumb, divided and distract people from matters that are actually really important.

[CasaNorba]

i'm a year older than you, by the way.

and yes it is fiction but that is pretty tough to accept when you are young and inexperienced with life. lets not forget that what you see or hear everyday for a really long time pretty much becomes true inside your mind after a while. not matter how much of a bs it is

[Sara413]

Will admit, I didn't read the whole thing.. but I read the first half (ish).

I think I know where you are coming from and what you are getting at, and I am happy to see that as a young man, you are actually thinking about these things critically. Everything you talked about in the first half about the expectations place on women, and the way women are presented in the media, are exactly the root of the Madonna/Whore Complex. I don't know how familiar you are with gender studies and feminist lingo, but basically, the Madonna/Whore Complex is the term we use to describe the impossible sexual standards to which women are held. What it comes down to is that every women is looked at as either Pure or Impure (Madonna or Whore), and that there is no in between. So women are always trying to straddle that line, which is impossible to do. If you have too much sex, or you display yourself too sexually, then you are a Whore, full stop. If you don't have sex, and display yourself very modestly, you are a Madonna (pure and angelic).

Men and women are socialized from a young age to judge women (and their value) through that lens, and through that lens, EVERY woman loses. Either she completely denies herself any expression of sexuality, whether through clothing or sexual activity, and achieves "Madonna" status, or she fails and is a Whore. There is no room for personal discretion. Men are taught that is a woman is a Whore, she is undeserving of your respect. She isn't wife material, and she isn't worthy of being treated with dignity. It's ok to humiliate her and to use her, because she's just a dirty, used-up Whore. You see this all the time among certain subcultures of men who are very unashamed of their mindset - you fuck Whores and marry Virgins.

[CasaNorba]

yea i understand your point. to put it simple we are forced to see a woman's sexuality in black and white lens. but i think we men go through this too. you see in today's society, talking from experience when a man shows too much interest in women or puts them as their main priority in life he will always get labelled as being a creep, desperate, white knight, etc. but when a man chooses not to prioritize women, like in my case, he will always get labelled as being lame, weirdo, faggot, etc.

so i guess either way both genders lose in this battle one way or another

[hellionthesage]

Media plays on base emotions. Biologicly a womans status/power is directly derived from her looks which themselves are based upon the best genetic triats and thus survivability and viability of offspring birthed. So media appeals to that in women. For men since women have greater sexual power men devoloped higher sex drive and a less picky attituted when it came to women not to sow there seeds but to force them to take greater risks in the hope of getting a mate of good genetic stock, or barring that of good enough stock (80% of women reproduced in prehistory vs. 40% of men) This higher sex drive is then exploited by media which has a much higher effect on men, however this also influences women in the belief that sex equals desirability. The sex appeal of women also influences men since they become sexualized that makes them more desirable and thus creates a feedback loop. All of which stems from, money. It was the drive for money that created this notion and now has created a runaway reaction which gets exploited for more money. There are other factors as well (such as views on gender by men and women) but this is the primary ones. Women and men are both equally the victims and equally to blame for it. It will not stop until both parties learn self control and critical thinking in order to avoid such manipulations.

[knightofthepage]

The media reduces women to one dimensional objects. If something's targeted toward a younger audience, the heroine women are generally sweet, pure, innocent, etc. If it's directed toward anyone older they're sexual, prizes, submissive, etc. I think that's why men get so confused by women. They see these one dimensional characters and think that's how women should act all the time. When women have complex emotions, they don't know how to react. They don't realize this is why they're confused because this is how they were conditioned to think.

[CasaNorba]

exactly my point!

[genuinlysensitive]

Conditioned to think that women actually care about other people other than themselves?

[knightofthepage]

Conditioned to think that women are always supposed to do things for others and not themselves.

[Yc2K15]

So when you girls get your collagen injections and fake boobs, its because you were conditioned to think its for others, yet all women fight to the death that its to make them feel secure. (NO, you just want to look like her)
I would like to know, if implants and injections never came to exist, what exactly would make a woman feel secure The bottom line is everyone is too worried about what kim kardashian is doing and we as humans need to open our eyes and stop letting media brainwash us. People should all watch a documentary called "prohibition" It may enlighten people on a lot of things. From how alcohol ruined the world, to how booze lead to material/possesion and most importantly Image being the most concerning thing to a humans life. While the world was at war for oil and land, there was another epidemic not many people are aware of..

[RexCatholicissimus]

Ya know, I remember a friend of mine brought this up to me a couple of months ago and it's stuck in my mind ever since, so it's interesting to see this take.

I hate to say it, but I do think this type of thing is why so many young men end up growing with really fucked up perceptions of women, it's because very little of what a young boy is told about the opposite sex is actually... Ya know, truthful.

Granted I'm sure there are plenty of things young girls are taught about boys that they've discovered aren't quite as true, though are they as damaging? Well, I don't think they are.

[CasaNorba]

true. especially here in america where different people with different race, culture, religion, believes, etc work as one. or at least try to work as one.

but yea i'm 100% sure that women are deceived too. i mean i tried to make this as a two lane road as possible but there is so much i can say from a female's point of view since growing up we are forced to follow only the things that pertain to our gender and whatsoever

[tenofthepeaks]

So you dont reckon believe people grow over time? Ok

[ObscuredBeyond]

They aren't doing those things to be "brave" and "come out of the shell." They're doing those things because their minds have become enslaved to that depravity. They are powerless to refuse its hold over them, and unleash it the minute they believe they can do so without consequences, just release pressure off themselves via their inner tormentors.

A drunkard is not called a "brave" man coming out of his shell. He is a slave to liquor. And feeds his inner demons the minute he believes greater consequences won't stop him, just to alleviate the pressure. A sex fiend like the women you describe is no different, just with sexual vice rather than liquor as the vessel by which dark powers bring about slavery in the mind.

[CasaNorba]

true, but in today society not a lot of women have the courage to do such a thing. so i pretty much praise those who have the ovaries to accomplish this. lets not forget that i dont see tits and ass everyday so why not appreciate this?

i mean if she ain't my girl or anyone i know why should i care?

[muspelhem_5]

Or maybe they're just having fun...

[ObscuredBeyond]

@muspelhem_5: If you find these legitimate routes to fun, or the only kind of "fun" worth having, you have bigger problems than the kinks themselves.

[vishna]

I agree how most girls view women and sweet princesses during childhood and sexy diva's during our teen years. It shows how shallow most female characters are, whether they are movie characters or tv personalities. Women very often can't be complex characters, and if we are, then we are also sexualized-a tiny waist, pouty lips, and barely there clothing.

We have no real role models and no real examples of what a woman is to show us how variable women are.

Teen girls should watch Daria. <3 maybe the caricatures are well... caricatures, but it's still a complex show.

[Checkers82]

If we're talking about the media I think the porn industry is also a big part of it. I know with a lot of boys my age who haven't experienced anything for themselves yet are watching porn and seeing it as like an expectation or like it's the real thing but that's like watching WWE on TV and thinking that you could become a professional street fighter because of it.

[CasaNorba]

yea, especially now where porn is so damn easy to find for free at any time. but yea that is a good example, and ironically i think i once read a internet slogan that claims that america is the only place where real wrestling is known as "amateur wrestling" and fake wrestling (like WWE) is known as "professional wrestling"

[Poppykate]

Unfortunately, social media puts women into two categories;1. The madonnas 2. The whores. Women are more complex than this! The ideal is to turn of these messages received by the media, and to form your own opinion/ view. ( and not just on this topic)

[Yc2K15]

But madonna is a whore lol.

[lilac_flowers]

There are angelic, feminine, kind, gentle women if they are raised right. I met quite a few where I live, I love to think I do well trying to live up to that standard of femininity as well.
You must live in the West and it's no wonder this is how you see women.

[CasaNorba]

obviously! and thank you for pointing that out as over here in the past when i've tried to point that out i been scorned, criticized and berated from left to right

[dartmaul15]

@liliac_flowers the problem is there are very few PEOPLE in antarctica.
Sure, plenty of gracefull penguins... but there are no people for MILES. Kind of a teeeny problem XD
(yes, it's meant as a joke)

[Mesonfielde]

Being raised to be traditionally feminine isn't necessarily "better" nor "the right way".

[lilac_flowers]

@Mesonfielde If an entire society is made better for it because this creates stable families, I would argue it is better. You raise your girls to be men on the other hand. It's pathetic and humiliating to tell a woman being a woman is less and she needs to be like a man to be of any worth and appeal.

[Mesonfielde]

No, what is odd is how people link generally positive values to a particular sex and make it seem like you are allowed to do this or this if you are male. I would not be raising my daughters to be "men" (what does that even mean), but to be self-dependent individuals who are a functional member of society and do not need to rely on males to support themselves.

[lilac_flowers]

@Mesonfielde No, it has nothing to do with her skill to earn, or survive alone in her home. It has everything to do with her demeanor, her attitude towards the world, her ideas bout how to go about doing certain things, her relationship to people around her.

It is all about having traits that enable her to fill the supportive, nurturing and following role of a woman. While the man's role is aggressive: leading, providing (hard work, biggest income) and protective. His role requires masculine traits and personality with certain education in order to be filled well.

But the male role is the only role you Americans promote, while disguising it as freedom and telling young ladies it is "what you want" and "what you deserve". When in reality they will have a worse life for it, worse relationships, be more lonely drink lots of anti depressants and if not, make lots of people miserable thinking they make "as good" of a man as actual men do.

[lilac_flowers]

I just noticed you are not an American, but Hungarian, but please note it's the same thing. You Hungarians are are as Americanized as any part of Western Europe when it comes to culture.

[Mesonfielde]

Not all men end up on antidepressants though. I do admit our culture is equally americanized. But you don't need to be a follower to be happy, no matter what is between your legs. Nurturing is fine, but you still need to be able to stand on your own two feet.

[CasaNorba]

@Mesonfielde no offense here bro but i'm noticing that you are pretty cornered here

[Mesonfielde]

That just means you haven't read what I said, roles are prescribed but you don't HAVE to follow them

[lilac_flowers]

@Mesonfielde But there is a reason they are prescribed. Just like there is a good reason eating vegetables is prescribed. No you don't have to, no one is forcing you to live in a more virtuous, fulfilling way.

[Mesonfielde]

Don't compare cultural beliefs to scientifically established biological facts. In fact, I am certain I don't find the idea of being a callous aggressive protector "fulfilling" whatsoever.

[lilac_flowers]

@Mesonfielde And we come to a stalemate. You believe feminist ideology, I don't. But that's you're choice, the information is out there to be researched, even for Westerners. It's your choice to not look at it and believe you're right.

[Mesonfielde]

Gender roles are just as much a culturally enforced belief set as any other religion. People aren't inherently into makeup and high heels.

[Mesonfielde]

(Or if they are, it is not because they have a hole between their legs)

[lilac_flowers]

Again, you're choice to believe that nonsense.

[SweetAndSassy14]

Actually I do agree with you on most of your points but I also believe that most women will try to express their sexuality. Since they see penalty of men being praised for showing theirs... hence why they use their sexuality for praise..
This is why penalty of women are dressing in very revealing clothing.. Women in general aren't as innocent as you think.. most of us are human beings just like you.. We are perverted , we are dirty minded, we sometimes lack more innocence than our average male counterparts... So what you said about women being sluts because they want to show their sexuality is wrong... It's nothing wrong with expressing yourself and what you like sexually.. I also believe that a woman should work hard to reach the top not fuck her way there..
That's all I have to say..

[CasaNorba]

i think you should reread this mytake for a second time

[SweetAndSassy14]

You stated that as a child you thought women were " sweet, friendly and innocent, soft and fragile and requires you to come to their rescue every time they are in trouble"
But then as you became a teenager you thought they were"demonic creatures". That only craves sex, money and other superficial things. Which is a huge generalization..
And you also slut shamed women who expressed their sexuality differently saying women who had multiple partners, wears very revealing clothing, have fetishes, or even having fun dancing...
Are considered sluts even though most guys have multiple partners, have fetishes, loves to freely take off their shirts if you just simply ask, and they love to grind on girls..
See what I mean, I'm just saying they do have the right to express their sexuality because many men does the same...

[genuinlysensitive]

There is a huge difference between liking sex, and using it as a weapon because you "see" relationships as a struggle for power.

[SweetAndSassy14]

Relationships should be about working together and compromise... but most assholes today only think about having control in the relationship..
This is why divorce rates are so sky high because one partner thinks that they should "lead" the relationship instead of working with their partner and learn to lead each other...
Not only that but most women don't use sex as a weapon unless its rape.. which is a different story for another day...

[Yc2K15]

DO you realise men are praised when they have sex because its such a difficult task for men to get laid. A lot of men never get sex and when the do they celebrate.
Women can get sex whenever the fuck they want and it doesn't matter how guy they are. An ugly woman could post on tinder and loads of meant will do it. An ugly guy on tinder... well thats a whole different story.

[LonelyLillie13]

Well what about my prince charming on the white horse? Where the hell did he go? :(

[Hannah591]

Good point.

[CasaNorba]

that's a good question, where did he go? i didn't excluded him anywhere so i dont see his reasons to bail out ;)

lol just kidding. but yea i did try to make this as a two lane road many ways. but there is so much i can say from a females point of view because i myself am not a female myself. i mean not to be sexist but the media does target our genders a little differently.

[LonelyLillie13]

One thing is for sure, the world had a lot more magic and hope when i was a child haha.

[LonelyLillie13]

I want to be a kid again :( lol

[LonelyLillie13]

I remember feeling excited every morning, pumped for the day, now when i wake up its nice for 2 seconds till i get that cold sweat, Aww Shit ! when reality hits me.

[Scrambled]

Lol... I thought that I would be a girls white Knite one day. Girls don't like it. There is a reason why the call it White knight Syndrome. So now, yeah... I'm no white knight and the magic died in me too.

[genuinlysensitive]

Perhaps you rejected him because he didn't say the exact right thing to pass one of your "shit tests?"

[martyfellow]

Agree 100% , the media creates general perceptions of women that distort the way many of us look at relationships, Women as well as men, but men's views are especially distorted since the media targets them more in general.

[CasaNorba]

true and let's not forget that society believes that by default we are the ones who rule the world

[genuinlysensitive]

It depends on what kind of media you are talking about.

[martyfellow]

Almost all of them have the same message about gender... now all the media protray women as super heroines, defeating ten karate trained assailants while not messing up their makeup...

[whatthehellwasthat]

It's important that any child be taught to be respectful, considerate and kind. This isn't just to females, though boys are often taught the term, "You're supposed to love girls, not hit girls" in answer to taking care of them and protecting them. And thats not a bad thing. And another thing. Are kids going to be taught that women are sexual creatures? No. They get taught in junior high, officially. In turn, to say that women are vicious with sex and sexual counterparts is just ridiculous.

[CasaNorba]

well obviously, we dont have to teach kids that women are sexual creatures. there gonna find this one on their own sooner or later. any human with a sex drive is basically a sexual creature by default to some extend. unless they have health issues or worship a strict religion

but what i do have a problem with is TRICKING (not teaching) children that women are sweet, innocent, fragile and gentle creatures by default.

to later trick them into believing that all women are shallow, superficial goldigging drama queens by default who expect their S/Os to be thugs, athletes, socialist, businessman, celebrities all in one. either that or discouraging them into believing that in order for us to satisfy women we need to kill them in bed with an 8-12" penis

[Mesonfielde]

Actually, this problem existed far before the advent of social media, and is far more deep rooted as well. I personally think the problem is the way we are socialized to be of a particular gender. The very idea of what is CONSIDERED masculine or feminine. The idea that women are to be treated like this, and men like that. That men are from Venus, and women are from Mars. That sort of stupid shit is way older than the internet.

[Mesonfielde]

@CasaNorba

[LightUp]

"The point here is that we been fed bullshit since our childhood all the way through our adulthood. During our childhood we are forces to see women as these angelic creatures who…
Are sweet, friendly and innocent
Are soft and fragile
Requires us to come to their rescue every time they are in trouble"

THIS

Kinda thought this was all true for a long time... Glad I stopped thinking like that.

[Yc2K15]

Have you seen the talent these girls have!!!
Have you net seen how good some girls can twerk? Like seriously, women are so ignorant. You are talented if you can bend over and make your ass cheeks slap together while popping out your vajina. Not to mention the 5-10 year old girls wearing skin tight leggings and trying to twerk like their older sisters and all the other stupid women around them. It makes me sick and I feel like I am from another planet because of this.