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Dear Men, We DON'T Want Your Money! Get Over Yourselves. Sincerely, Modern Women 💕 (Page 2)
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The number of "independent" woman that made their money on the back of men is way too high. They are "independent" after they stole enough money for the house, the family and other stuff that the MAN work for but will not benefit because of the divorce.
Only shitty people need a façade/lable like "independent" woman, "nice guy", "hardworking" people, "healthy" vegan people, "funny" people. It's all about how they perceive themselves and not about what they are according to their past/facts. A woman will declare herself independent but will never talk about how she stole half of the money of the man she cheated on and divorced.
If only there were data on this?
oh, there is.
From okcupid, number of messages men get a week, based on their reported income:
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A really significant thing here -> money doesn't matter very much at all when a teen or in early 20's. Basically while a lot of guys are still in school, it doesn't matter. I'd suggest even after that, it doesn't matter if you're still on a good path. So young women here who say they don't care at all, are often not lying. It's only once they are out, supporting themselves, and dating men who are working, it suddenly matters a lot.
I think it's status more than gold-digging, really. A poor man who spends lots of money on women doesn't do all that well, a rich man who spends nothing does better. When you're 18, your friends judge you as a woman on how cool or hot your boyfriend is. When you're 30, they're impressed by his looks and his job and his car. A woman who snags a corporate lawyer or a doctor is 'winning'.
"NO, we don't want your money! BUT we also do not want a lazy bum, who is unemployed, unambitious, has no perspective and doesn't know what to do with his life either and doesn't do anything to improve his situation."
I can agree with the first portion of this statement.
However your last portion truly shows most women wouldn't want a man that spends his life making $7.25 and hour.
Hence, you truly care about how much money he makes.
Orrrrr if he makes 7 an hour he should expect to date someone on his level and stop crying because he doesn't make enough for a woman who brings more to the table?
"oh boo hoo, she only has big tits and ass and never worked for shit, she's not worth more than $7/hr" But you're a fat lazy sack of crap satisfied with 7 an hour meanwhile she spends hours fixing herself up to be more attractive.
Whatever it is, its all about value and it's not simply economic value either.
@Arbalest: Look, I don't care about any of this. I'm just pointing out the obvious.
A man that works for pennies can't expect to get a beautiful looking woman in her prime years. Does it happen? Yes, but it's rare.
Beautiful women in their prime look for men that have lots of money in comprising to a guy that works at a Gas station for 8 bucks an hour.
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
*tyrese's voice from 2 fast 2 furious* "Can you believe this fool man?"
Baby girl, i appreciate the effort darling, i really do. but you are discounting one thing while supporting it. EVERY MAN knows it ALWAYS bottles down to the money and maybe not for you... but that makes you 1 out of what? 5 million other women?
just like women ask for honesty, but when its given, the reaction is the same... ever heard this lie "tell me the truth and i promise i won't get mad"...
of course you haven't, cuz its your kind that says stupid shit like that and still get mad anyway.
"We don't care about your money but you can't be unemployed and unambitious"... hahahahahahahah wow. women. you really just can't pick one.
"NO, we don't want your money! BUT we also do not want a lazy bum, who is unemployed, unambitious, has no perspective and doesn't know what to do with his life either and doesn't do anything to improve his situation."
"These are your respect, your kindness to everyone, your aspirations, your support, loyalty, your dedication and commitment to us, your time and a listener and being treated nice like a lady. And that's it!"
Right, so what you are saying is that an unemployed guy is not capable of respect, kindness, support, loyalty, dedication and commitment to you?
You said you want NO money from a man whatsoever, but then why do you care he is unemployed or not willing to better his own situation when those are things that don't concern you according to yourself?
Hypocrisies.. She doesn't want his money BUT she still wants him to be wealthy and have a nice house
I don't see a conflict how an unambitious person can't be respectful and kind. You will have to rephrase what you mean in order to make a valid point.
Well, you are claiming that you want 0,00€ from men but things like respect, kindness and loyalty instead.
But above you say you don't want an unemployed guy, but since you want no money from guys what tangible benefit is there from having one that is employed?
Clearly you must then be implying that an unemployed guy cannot be respectful and kind and can't give you all these things you want.
Or... that those things don't reeeeeeeeeeeally matter to you as much as you claim they do if simply having a shitty job is enough to outweigh any amount of respect, kindness or loyalty a man can offer you.
I have my own standards and you can't change these. I want to live comfortable without having to worry about what to eat in the next days. Rents and bills need to be paid for and groceries cost money too. Full time employment is the solution. The amount of income doesn't matter is what I am saying. The expenses are shared.
"I have my own standards and you can't change these. I want to live comfortable without having to worry about what to eat in the next days. Rents and bills need to be paid for and groceries cost money too. Full time employment is the solution. The amount of income doesn't matter is what I am saying. The expenses are shared."
"The expenses are shared."
And here we go. Case closed.
I agree with pretty much everything but you say "don't group us together" while grouping men together & seemingly wanting to speak for all of us.
It's their choice, yes but there's very deceitful people in this specific case, I'll say women. Some men who are successful do have to think about motive as should financially successful women. You have to remember many people of both genders ARE unfortunately attracted to or motivated by $.
I'd believe this more if the feminists were lining up to demand equity in alimony law. But they aren't, for some strange unfathomable reason.
You say you're interested in soul? Probably because the courts give you everything else, so you just want the immaterial stuff now.
This take is bullshit because the facts show you are wrong. Women DO want high-earning men, and the more educated / independent women are, the MORE they want men with high earnings. We men see this all around us in the real world so we know it's true. But we don't have to rely only on our observations because studies show the same thing. Why can't you just be honest about it? It's human nature. We accept you for what you are, but please JUST BE HONEST ABOUT IT.
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A man doesn't want a lazy woman either and a woman wouldn't want a gold digger either in which he expects her to buy him everything.
It's funny how you say women don't want men's money but on a dating site, there's a woman just 36 miles away and she refuses to drive to me on her own ignition because she wants gas money. You would never hear a man asking a woman for gas money if he was driving to her. The person traveling is responsible for their own trip and she agreed to come to me and when she found out I was not sending her any money, she blasted me. So it appears she doesn't feel I am worthy enough to have as a man and that she is a scammer.
Terrible experiences do happen. You just have to be responsible to not get together with such girls in the first place.
Well I don't know that she's a scammer but wanting $75 in gas when just 36 miles away tends me to believe she is. The funny thing is she got my email address wrong and my name wrong after only 9 days of messaging her again. I waited 9 days and she got mad. I was like I was the last one to text you, so you were the one who ignored me for 9 days but she blamed me for going 9 days without contacting her.
Terrible experience. That just means, that she isn't meant for relationships. Give yourself a pat and a smile because you have avoided trouble. It's good on you after all.
Thanks. I'm trying but being 5'2 and 5/16" and 114.8 lbs is hard to draw any woman's attention.
Good luck and never give up!
"It truly sickens me a lot to see how men genuinely believe, that they need money in order to impress women."
Leonardo diCaprio's girlfriend, all below 26 years of age, are with him because he is such a nice guy, I guess.
Men know that women date men who aren't rich. It also helps greatly if a man is rich. Or if he is tall, which always shows up on women's list. (I'm tall, so no complaints there.) Or if he isn't balding. Or if he has lots of friends and is popular. And so on.
There are many factors aside from the only one we are allowed to mention, personality.
I could personally give a shit less about money in a relationship, I don't care if we're living in an apartment and poor, as long as she loves me and i love her and we spend time together and she's super loyal and loving and caring and all that, our relationship will be fine. I don't care if she's the richest girl i know or the poorest.
preach!
I have one friend who told me that my boyfriend is out of my league because he has a good paying job - (he makes about $45k more than i do)
The thing is - he isnt-and I am not with him because of his money, I am with him because of who he is as a person. He could make less than me and I would still be with him. It is who he is that i like
Like to hear you say the same if he lost his job and refused to get a new one.
@bbb10 I've been there before. And I did stay with him.
It's not always meant to be taken literally. Most people understand it's not literally money. It can be access to resources of various kinds or just proximity to those resources. If you want a man that makes money and is ambitious etc, that's the same thing. This is part of what bothers guys, not the money itself, but the demand of impressive capability in a guy. The insistence on being at least near to wealth or status or whatever definition of successful man you wan to use looks really shitty to them when they compare that to their own attraction which relies on only the person alone, not 'other' things e. g status and money. Again, not necessarily getting the money itself, but even the demand for a guy to have money.
Dear woman who deludes herself into speaking for her entire gender,
The very real & sizeable percentage of women who specifically search for a "sugar daddy" would disagree. Its not a myth, its a fact of life. Many people still subscribe to the idea that men should be providers and many women seek good providers (i. e. rich). The Real Housewives series of shows is a testament to this.
Oh okay...
so...
Why are men still dating gold-diggers then?
Who are the ones letting this happen?
Yes. Men.
So.. dear men, stop complaining and stop dating gold-diggers instead of whining and crying about it.
@silverqueen Thank you for speaking out! It's quite a surprise to see how the obvious is overlooked like asking where all the water went while being on a ship in the middle of an ocean.
@Lady_Frost I know, women get blamed for 99% of men’s problems. Most of their issues are caused by their own foolish choices
I've heard Many women say they are only in the relationship for Money.
Some are and Some are not. I never go in a relationship for Money
I actually agree with this post. However, let's be honest, there is a shallow side to love and romance. Being a good person isn't enough to not be single. If you are ugly, obese, have a small penis, short, etc the chances of you finding love are slim to none.
That's not actually true though.
@MlleCake in this modern world where people look at others like a list of statistics of what they have to offer, yes, you'd be surprised.
Actually one of my friends was a short, ugly obese guy with a small penis, he had a charming alpha male personality because he grew up with 2 brothers and was put in more grown up situations before high school. He ended up dating the hottest girl. She used to only date black athletic types. Once he did date her, he decided to eat healthy and exercise, he got into better health but would not be considered a athletic body type in any form. They ended up getting married.
To be honest, if you love a girl, if you can make her happy and feel good everyday, she would be willing to overlook your flaws. I've seen it happen, but having a negative mindset is most likely cementing yourself into your flaws. I've noticed that people with flaws have a negative mindset, they go hand in hand.
@GracefulCharm well his confidence was a statistic too, one that outweighed his imperfections in the eyes of his wife.
@freakyzeaky
It was many things, confidence alone isn't only it. But the key thing is to not give up on yourself ever.
@OP, I know thousands of chubby, or otherwise not particularly glamorous looking guys who have great relationships. Women tend to be more body positive about men than the other way around. And most women figure out there is nothing particularly more satisfying about a large penis - because most women do not orgasm from vaginal coitus (or we tell each other it doesn't matter.)
The things you think are deal breakers for ALL women really aren't.
When I was young, I thought I would grow-up to marry a guy who looked like The Mighty Thor, but by the time I got to an age where I would see men for their potential as a good long term partner, I never dated a guy who looked like this:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/288723026095439343/
I have fallen in love with normal looking people, with all variations in what their genitals looked like, poor and rich alike. That is a lot more of how it works in the real world.
What do you mean by: "There is only you to blame if you manage to catch a gold digger."? Some people are very good at pretending to be something they're not. Women go through that all the time with men pretending they love the woman but it's just so he can have sex (a man's version of "gold") with her.
It's explained better in free-ebooks' "Are Men the Weaker Sex".
I do want their money tho. I want all of their monies.
Why are there even people liking this?
@scooogy because they also agree that i should get all the money.
Just be happy guys filter themselves into categories for us now, don't even have to date anymore they remove themselves from the pool. Trying to change people is hopeless, just try to find the men that are left.
dear modern woman,
there are women out there who do only want a guys money. just because you personally do not, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
dear modern men,
that's why you don't date gold diggers.
Sincerely,
Everyone.
@silverqueen Good response (:
Thanks! I think many men would rather blame women for all their issues instead of analyzing it
@silverqueen are you done being self righteous now
@utterlyconfusedlol Explain how I’m being self righteous please
@silverqueen "congratulating" yourself on your "good response" 3 days after the fact then thanking yourself and saying men don't analyze things. there are women out there that do these things its a fact how do you think sugar daddies or hugh hefner got so many young girls. it happens. if you're not like that good but don't go doing this shit.
1. I never congratulated myself on this post.
2. I said some men don’t analyze their own problems which might be their own fault. I never said all men made the same mistake.
@silverqueen and i never said all women were gold diggers i just said it happens.
my bad on the congratulating part tho, i totally read that wrong lol. stupid dyslexia always gets me. anyway some men do blame women we call them mgtow and they are the male equivalent of feminazis. some women are gold diggers who get with a guy to have his kid then divorce him and get child support and some women get with sugar daddies.
I know. I never thought you were generalizing all women. I didn’t call you out on that. Also, some men keep saying that women only want their money. Most of my (female) friends date guys for different reasons, even if they have an average or low income.
For me, the most important part of a guy is how he takes care of himself and how he treats others (including me). I also appreciate the gifts. BUT here’s where it gets interesting: some of them start to think I need these gifts, or they start to assume that I'm dating them because of these gifts. False! Those gifts came from them, but aren't necessary, though I appreciate their gesture. But it's not what attracted me to him.
I think this is why a lot of women nowadays are rejecting gifts because we think, "If I accept this gift he'll think I'm a gold-digger." This is sad. It doesn't have to happen this way. And some men need to also stop trying to buy a woman’s love, only to start complaining later.
@silverqueen i know what you mean but for me it takes more than an occasional gift to be a gold digger. i think a gold digger wants expensive gifts all the time, a credit card, new car yanno that shit.
im not a big gift giver tho. if I am giving a gift i make something like some pictures or books or so, thing like that.
@silverqueen giiirl... tell me all about it! I cannot disagree with anything you said.
@utterlyconfusedlol we call them MGTOW.
Boy, you just spoke what it is. I was thinking the same. The male version of feminazis being MGTOW. And I thought I was the only one.
"anyway some men do blame women we call them mgtow and they are the male equivalent of feminazis."
I couldn't resist...
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😂😂😂
so much for going your own way 😆
Simple solution: just conceal your wealth as much as possible in the first 3-6 months of dating. Gold diggers want that instant gratification and "Instagrammable" lifestyle-- the moment they have to work for their meal, they'll jump ship and find some other guy to latch on to.
just realised this thread is like a year old lol