I'm not like that either, but it's still true. I've tried to teach that to guys on this site, but they resent it. They like to talk about chivalry and tradition. I give up.
And that's crazy, because if they just listened, they would learn the tricks of the trade. lol
My ex bought me a vacuum for Christmas. Wait what? How could he do that? He tried his hardest, and his heart was in the right place, but I would have rather had something stupid like chocolate. Every person in high school should be forced to read the book... Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus.
Men like to fix stuff. It's just who they are. They are wonderful people, and they have hearts the size of Montana. But they need to learn to just listen. It makes no sense, but the book talks about it. Stop talking and just listen. I would like to teach this to guys on this site, but they are just so jaded that it's a waste of time.
@DatBrooklynGuy I love it when buffoons try and put words in my mouth. My commentary was for Secret and her awesome question. I don't know where Secret keeps coming up with these interesting questions, but she just does it.
I told my brother that we should invent something, so we can get rich. He told me that everything has already been invented. I told him that he is wrong, because lots of stuff hasn't been invented.
Secret is living proof of that, because she seems to have an endless supply of creative questions. Why? Haven't all the questions been asked? lol
@candicek Why teach them? Just keep getting over on them this would benifit you. The way the game works is you get over on the 90% of the guys that are nice guys and then bring their money and your body to the 10% of high value men so we can get over on you. It's been that way forever and the system works.
@candicek Gotcha. In reality guys shouldn't be listening to women for relationship advice anyway. Women rarely understand relationships at a high level so I can understand why they wouldn't want to take your advice and besides if what you're saying is true it's good for you the more betas out there the more opportunity there is for you to get over on them.
@candicek Same, but also on GAG. Long as they execute it usually works. Reality is the only ones that can give guys accurate advice about women is going to be a man or women that has had success getting a lot of women. How many women have you been w/?
Yes, ma'am, although I think that's certainly true, there are also plenty of guys who, rather than being bitter, are genuinely excited about pleasing a beautiful woman with whom we know we have no chance whatsoever of being sexually intimate with ❤️
That won't happen because even though I like your questions, this conversation with him has bored me to tears. I'm done. Keep up the good work. You just asked a fun and thoughtful question, and he's beating a dead horse. I'll see you on your next question, and hopefully he won't follow it.
@secret6620 What are you talking about I'm simply replying back to the person that tagged me are you telling everyone in the discussion they can't hold a conversation?
@Vegasrunner please learn to read. I explained thoroughly what the issue was. If you can't comprehend it then I feel sorry for you. I don't really have anything else to say to you.
This is the last time I'm asking. Please leave the post if you didn't leave an opinion on the question
@secret6620 You're more than welcome to "feel" how you like I'm not sure what that has to do w/ anything I'm simply responding when it's my turn in conversation like everyone else, I'm unsure why your choosing to discriminate against only response.
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This is complex. But why is that almost every single woman I’ve met who is semi attractive or better has always fallen in love with an asshole, got burned by him and instead of owning up to their mistake they look for shoulders to cry on? Why is that mothers, female teachers, etc. try to brainwash young boys into something women don’t want?
Feminism has been a epidemic culprit to creating nice guys for the last few decades. The scourge movement has brainwashed hordes of young boys/men with toxic guilt and shame for just being men.
Any way I have been called a “nice guy” for the better part of my life and whenever a woman (who I like) says it I just want to vomit. I NEVER self identify as a “nice guy”. However I was raised by an abusive and very controlling mother who always got her way with my dad. She used to lecture me about being a “good role model” for my younger siblings. She was a horrible role model herself. Anyway.
There is only one attractive woman I’ve met once in my entire life who truly had deep feelings for me and called me “a nice guy”. I used to get pissed off every time she said that. But only 1 out of 10 (dateable) women I’ve met in my life actually respect that.
@secret6620 side comments aside just realize most “nice guys” don’t enjoy being treated like crap. But there is some other deep psychological crap going on that was drilled into their heads since childhood. My parents drilled chivalry into my head and school administrations demonized masculinity. It wasn’t until my mid 20s did I figure this out.
There is such thing as too nice, and that’s just weird, creepy, and too much.
But just generally nice. No, they don’t finish last. Why would they?
What person doesn’t want to be treated well. Loved. Cared for. Feel amazing. Special. Happy. Excited. Etc.
These are all the traits I see that a nice guy can bring to a relationship, friendship. So why on earth would a nice guy finish last?
The day and age of this statement is old and buried. It’s gone with the times.
Maybe childish teenagers want that silly bad boy image in their teenage years, but that very soon wears off as they grow up and mature into a women and know what real traits a women needs and wants in a real genuine good man!
Don’t listen to silly old trash sayings, they don’t mean anything. They are not true. They don’t mean anything.
Be confident in who you are. What you bring to someone. And know your worth!
The complete term nice guys finish last because if you invert it you'll find they actually finished first while waiting for the other candidates who dont think and apply themselves disproportionately think they'll finish first but in actuality they didn't finish because the majority of them whether we like it or not they're morons. Because in order to be you must have the proper answers to the questions involving who what etc. Their answers dont cut it cause if you dont work you dont achieve your goals. We just don't finish last we wait until everything that could be done is and then we clean up!!!
Being just nice and basing your whole persona around being "a nice guy" is a huge red flag. Being nice to people is the literal bare minimum you need to be to be a decent human being. Also most guys who say this tend to actually be incredibly manipulative, I mean just saying "damn nice guys do finish last" to a woman who rejected you is just a pathetic attempt at trying to make her feel bad about not being interested in you. So yeah these "nice guys" really do finish last because they're actually boring, shitty people 🤷🏻♀️
Not always. I don't think there is this universal standard or preference all women have for men. Women are very diverse and you really never know who's gonna catch their interest. Some like nice guys, some like assholes. Some don't like either. Some even fall in love with serial killers, strange as that is. Indeed, sometimes their choices are quite puzzling. But that's because women are quite puzzling. That's not a bad thing though. It just means they're complicated creatures. Physicists will unlock time travel before anyone comes to understand women.
I think we need to replace “nice” with something different. Not sure what. But it’s commonly misunderstood what is meant by this. I think people in general who are less assertive (nice) finish last because they take bullshit, have less boundaries, and less confidence. “Mean” people on the other hand, again, replace “mean” with something different too. If mean applies to assertive people, let’s go from there. People with boundaries, a goal in mind, confidence just ask for what they want more and go after it with less reservations. Everyone likes nice people. It’s not that their niceness is holding them back, it’s their strategy and approach to what they want.
i think nice guys dont finish last in the office unless they are in a high pressured dog eat dog atmosphere.
However, i do think nice guys finish last with girls. For some reason, most girls will take a "bad boy alpha male" over a beta male because it makes them feel safer. However, its actually the women finishing last there when they are impregnated with a cheating and physically violent alpha.
Beta males are submissive and respective to their women , but are perfectly able to to become an alpha in a situation where it is required. I find Beta males to be more well balanced. I am a beta male. i dont and can't fight with other men in most situations, but i am not afraid to turn into rambo if someone hurts my family.
so where as Alpha males do finish first, they dont always get what they need in life, even if they get what they want. i find Alphas to be deeply insecure and narcissistic control freaks.
I have seen a lot of women chase after or be more attracted to guys who treat them like they don't matter, who treat them like an option and not a priority. I suppose it's the old saying "you always want what you can't have". A lot of girls and younger women fall for that "edgy" "mysterious" "bad boy" or "unavailable" bullshit. Once they get older and get burned a couple times, most women grow up and realize that it's better to have a guy who is dependable, will stick around, and actually give a fuck about you.
@Lookingforthetruth I'm not a naive fool, I'm just not going reduce myself to shit bag level in order to pick the low hanging fruit, and I'm too old for bullshit games. Time to grow up, shit bird
You are poor and naive thinking that the woman gets older and get burnt she "grows up" that she appreciate the guy who actually gives a fuck about her. What usually happens is a woman's biological clock start ticking and she sees her friends start getting married and like a parrot wants to copy them and not be left out. She see takes from her reliable pool of orbiters and guys she know will easily commit to her to be her mate.
In addition, another double edge sword that also spurs her in the arm of men who actual give her damn about her is that those mysterious guy/bad boys have moved onto dating younger women (20-early 30's) and many no longer have time to even bother giving them attention for hook-up/short term relationships unless sex is in the bag and easy.
In short, people show what they really want when they are in a state of power to get it. A 20 year old girl at her peak beauty will go for the guy she wants and actually desires.
Any point after that is suspect and one should always be cautious if she is with you for genuine affection or because you are a nice meal ticket to help her survive in life (aka beta provider/financial and emotional slave).
@Lookingforthetruth white that may be true of women your age, it's not true about women my age. I'm talking about after they get baby fever out of their system and get divorced, and are financially secure. You're still too young and dumb to understand, you'll figure it out when you get my age.
Lol you still don't get it. Looks like some men are just meant to be suckers for women to use and abuse when they are done with Chad, Tyrone, Chang, Jamal etc.
@Lookingforthetruth If a woman had ulterior motives and didn't value you as a person, you should have just moved on and find one that does, instead of letting it turn you into a bitter woman hating little piss ant haha
@Lookingforthetruth and since you didn't participate in the question but instead decided to troll the comments I'm going to ask that you leave my post. Don't come back. I'm only asking nicely once.
@Lookingforthetruth I can't delete your comments, genius. That's not how this site works. Only a moderator can do that. You dislike women so much, you are probably a closet Peter puffer.
The current "trend of thought" infers that a "nice guy/gal" might be: only a people-pleaser, someone who is over-the-top flexible to accommodate others, is weak, avoids tough decisions and/or makes bad decisions. In reality, finishing first, being successful, and "winning" all require good talent and skills, which lead to good behavior and beneficial actions being taken. Let's break down the myths: - "Goodness" does not slow people down. - Business is NOT about YOU winning the race. It's about teamwork and getting everyone across the "finish line". - Niceness is an investment. It will payoff as no one makes it alone : at some point, you will need support.
How to be a "nice guy" and not compromise your principles: THAT is the trick!
This (sort of) reminds me of a short scene in "Blast from the Past" . Check out "Blast from the Past- definition of a gentleman" on the internet as the female lead gets some advice from a platonic friend.
Guys really are so stupid they believe girls want bad guys. Girls want guys and it just so happens 97% of people are highly flawed. A decent looking REAL nice guy that is going somewhere will finish just as good.
We really have grown people still believing in this but refuse to take a diving look into what is actually happening. Has nothing to do with being a jerk vs being nice but being a jerk will always get you less than you could get if you treat others well. There is another element that seems to go right over guys heads.
Depends on the terminology of "nice guy". If it is the stereotype, then yes, because they are extremely insecure people who treat others like crap for not letting the situation go their way. If you are talking about genuinely nice guys, then... kinda, depending on location and how they handle their wordplay. Many women tend to be weary of guys who are genuinely kind & thoughtful because of the typical "nice guy", then tend to be more trusting of aggressive a-holes that treat them like crap after getting what they want. Point is society is groomed because of a-holes that treat women like garbage and use tactics to manipulate... but that's what happens when love is treated like a game, instead of an interaction between 2 interested people
Depends what you mean by nice. If we're talking nice as a pushover pussy type of dude that let's you walk all over him, than of course lol But if we're talking about a guy who's nice as in just nice, than umm... no.. that's kinda a prerequisite for even being interested in a guy in the first place..
“Nice guy” is quite broad of a description. It doesn’t actually say anything about the expectations or the perceptions of “Nice”. An example a “psychopath“ can be “nice”, a “narcissist” can be “nice”, not to mention all the other personality disorders out there. Which we all have degrees of.. we all have moments of “Nice”. A Better and more accurate description might be “good guys finish last”. Because they are so focussed on doing the right things they miss the things staring them in the face.
It’s an example of how women tend to speak in vague and confusing terms about guys. For example they will say “oh I like that guy”. The word “like” is purposely vague. It can mean she has a huge crush on him or it can mean she has zero attraction towards him but “likes” him as a friend. The word “cute” is also fungible. But most of the time it’s a good thing in my opinion
But 9 out of 10 times when a girl calls me a “nice guy” I cringe. It means that I am already friendzoned or most likely will be friendzoned unless i do something truly dynamic or impressive. It’s s subtle insult not a compliment.
However I have encountered a rare minority of women who were very attracted to me and way say that they wanted to have sex and still call me a “nice guy”. That throws a curve ball into everything. But when a girl I like calls me a “nice guy” a part is hoping to God she’s an exception not the rule.
Yes, ma'am, nice guys generally have to work much harder to get a woman's attention, and more often than not, we end up paying for her dates with the alpha males who are enjoying sex with her, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, in my opinion;)
I don't 100 % understand the nice guy stereotype. I think being a caring and understanding partner is wonderful, but the nice guy stereotype seems to indicate their niceness being fake and when they don't get their way they become rude and verbally abusive. If that is the definition of nice guy then I'd say no one will want that.
What's your definition of the nice guy? I met a lot of self-confessed nice guys who were creeps or insecure crybabies who would blame women for everything in their life.
Real nice guys, with matching personality have been snatched up already.
Oh, and being nice and being interesting and exciting are not exclusive personality traits. => women just want someone exciting ( a bad boy if you will) who treat them nicely => not a snoozefest.
Is more about leadership qualities, social intelect, ability to read people, flirting skills and many other qualities that women look for in a man.
Weather you are the super villain or super hero, girls dream of the ones that are superior to mainstream, avarage joes. Same goes for guys, they dream of, well not all, but many dream of the girls with atractive bodies and cute faces more than they dream of their partner being just kind.
If I were to compare myself to Einstein, I'd look like a fool. If Einstein tried to race the kind of cars I have, he quite possibly would have died much sooner than he did.
One does not finish last for being a nice guy. It's the asshole that shoves their way to the front of the line that is the loser.
They have the terminology wrong. Its not about being NICE or EVIL.
Someone who behaves nice towards you for being a hot girl can totally be a complete Psycho in disguise. A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing!
Non-Hot guys finish last. Simps finish last. Unattractive Men finish last. Nerds finish last. Beta-Males finish last. Fearful men finish last. Wimps finish last.
Use any other term, but the nice or bad terminology is completely BS. And confuses people.
I wouldn’t say they finish last…. but it’s not always first. But to be honest, I know of few who finish first all the time, even the asswipes full of themselves/using chics for sex (only).
In my opinion I am a nice guy. I have finished first and lost a few. If we’re talking about sex, I always want to finish last….
Simps finish last. Simps worship women and think that the idea of ever being mean to one is abhorrent. It's not that you can't be nice to her. You just have to not worship her and have a set of balls on you. Stand up for yourself, say no to her sometimes, etc. Like how you would with other people.
The assholes get the equal parts heart and crazy girl sooner and more publicly, but nice guys get the stable well-adjusted commitment friendly girl that will be a good wife and mother, just in a less public way.
@Lookingforthetruth I’m sorry you got burned by making bad choices, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t good people in the world. If you keep striking out, it might pay to investigate what the common denominator is. Attacking random strangers on the internet isn’t going to fix that for you. I wish you the best of luck on your journey to mature adulthood.
Its usually the "nice guys" not actual nice guys. Guys that think that treating women as human beings means that they're owed anything for that finish last.
I feel like you can be nice and still be assertive competitive and get what you want. The only issue is what I perceive as being nice may not seem nice to everyone.
I'm a nice guy and I've finished first several times... in everyday activities. As a nice guy, I try to have the woman finish before me... isn't that what you women want?
Mmm not agreeing with that. A nice guy who still can take a risk or two will still get to where they want to go. They just don't take many short cuts doing it.
Yes, the only time a girl wants a nice guy is when she's old and used up and needs a nice place to stay. When she like 40 and no one wants her. Girls in her early 20 - 30 are only looking for hot guys to fuck their brains out. Truth hurts boys!
Being nice doesn't mean being stupid. Being nice doesn't mean you have to put someone else happiness first, that just stupid. Nice people does necessary things in nice way, If you can't say "No" you are just stupid.
@Siegram173 I'm sure that is true! It is just that in my experience I have yet to meet that person! Either they are humble about it, or I have other people tell me the person is nice
More like nice guys with poor boundaries finish last. Also a lot of times nice guys are to busy advocating for others and have no clue how to advocate for them selves.
I think when that is true is when the woman involved puts more value on bad boy traits. She probably has less respect for herself than a woman who sees the value of a nice guy.
The nice guy is always forgotten by women, no matter how nice, respectful, and helpful he is to a girl, the chromatic/jerk guy gets the attention because he stands out.
@Siegram173 because she asks you for example "do i look good tonight" and you say yeah. meanwhile i was 5 steps ahead of you, making her feel so good that i just decided to insult her instead to mix it up
Being aggressively meaner to people resulted in me losing my virginity and actually being able to get sex. It makes you more interesting this obvious tactic has been proven for decades
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