Have red pill guys always mainly focused on hot women with romantic relationships and hookups but dont want to admit it?

[Ryan210000]

Some have admitted it but I dont think most do. I remember at the end of certain videos or during how they mentioned how (do you really want an average, below average, or fat girlfriend/hookup), as if it is a bad thing or something. I have always noticed average, ugly, fat guys with girlfriends/wives. So the whole needing to desperately improve your looks to get a romantic relationship has only been overhyped it seems and it mainly pertains to wanting hot romantic partners.

[mandyfire98]

Yeah it's a common thing with red pill guys and incels. They complain about women not dating them and they resent women because they aren't having sex but when someone is presented to them who's not the head cheerleader/prom queen, sorority girl, whom they even call "stacies" they turn their nose up. They primarily want women who are the most attractive and if they don't get that they claim all women are bad and all women are ruined by feminism because the hot women won't go out with them.

Meanwhile there are plenty of women out there that maybe don't look exactly like beauty queens but they won't give these women any consideration whatsoever.

Deep down it really isn't about women at all, it's not about sex. What it really is and red pill and incels don't want to admit, it's they want the top most attractive women because if those women date them then it gives them value. They feel special and accomplished. It's not even about the women. It's that they feel insecure and they feel like they aren't good enough. So the woman only acts as a stepping stone to make them feel better about themselves. That's what they're truly after. They're just using women to get there. What they need isn't vagina because sex is fleeting anyway, they need therapy. But they'll say fuck that, I don't need to work on myself, I need a woman. If I don't get that prom queen I'm gonna lash out and rage against all women like a child not getting there toy. Because with these men they want to use women just like a toy anyway.

[Ryan210000]

With romantic relationships getting muscular as a huge necessity mainly pertains to hot women right? I dont mind getting an average to below average looking girlfriend, fat girlfriend, and other stuff. Since that is the case I dont NEED to workout to get a girlfriend cause I dont mind if she isn't above average or isn't a gym rat?

[mandyfire98]

No, being muscular isn't a big deal at all. Being in shape is a positive obviously but not necessarily muscular.

[Ryan210000]

Being in shape as not being fat, really chubby, obese?

[mandyfire98]

Yes. Taking care of yourself. Doing cardio, eating clean and healthy. Everybody should be doing that. It's for health

[Ryan210000]

What I am saying is if a guy is average, ugly, or a little overweight without doing the stuff you said, is he at a HUGE disadvantage when it comes to getting a romantic relationship with a NON good looking woman that is NOT a gym rat?

[Ryan210000]

And doesn't exercise at all.

[mandyfire98]

People who don't take pride in themselves and don't take care of themselves or want to better themselves will always be at a disadvantage. You don't need to look like Dwayne Johnson but you should exercise.

[Ryan210000]

Will ugly, average guys who are NOT fat or obese but dont exercise or hardly do be at a HUGE disadvantage though if they dont mind an average, ugly, fat, etc. women who doesn't excercise often or at all or just a huge disadvantage when it comes to hot women and exercise rats? You dont know that there always been a ton of average snd ugly guys who have girlfriends/wives who are in their league or lower?

[Ryan210000]

I know you said disadvantage but I am asking HUGE disadvantage?

[mandyfire98]

No, not huge but everybody can workout a little. Everybody can eat healthy. There's no excuse not to. Just laziness. It's priorities.

[Ryan210000]

Eating healthy is lame cause the taste is not that good. Lol

[mandyfire98]

Water has no taste but you still have to drink it.

[Ryan210000]

I drank mostly juice always and water at times.

[mandyfire98]

Ooh better crank up that water intake or kidney stones or diverticulosis is heading your way.

[AmyHew1tt]

Yep. Like most man-woman pairings I see in real life, the woman is more conventionally attractive than the man. I can't even count how many 'blonde-skinny bombshells' have married fat, balding guys. The average woman marries the average man, and if you look around you, off the internet, you see that.

[Ryan210000]

@AmyHew1tt what do you think of the guys that have always said you need to workout to get a romantic relationship? I think that always applied mainly to hot women and gym rats? Do you agree? An average and ugly guy that is not muscular doesn't have to do to the gym to get an average or ugly girlfriend. Agree?

[AmyHew1tt]

I think everyone should workout for their health, and it will better your chances. But I wouldn't say it's necessary.

Now, would I as a reasonably fit and attractive woman like a fit and attractive boyfriend? Yes, but I have high physical standards. Many women don't.

[Ryan210000]

@AmyHew1tt I am saying if a guy that is not muscular and doesn't exercise, and is average or ugly can he still get a girlfriend that is average or ugly without exercising? And do you think most of the guys that have always focused on working out to getting a romantic relationship are mostly talking about gym rats and attractive women?

[AmyHew1tt]

It can happen. Ugly or average guys can get ugly or average partners, but they'll need to have a good personality to be attractive to date. So yes. Though by rule, everyone, even ugly people, wants an attractive partner, they can still fall in love with unmuscular dudes.

[Ryan210000]

There have always been a ton of average and ugly guys that got in romantic relationships with average or ugly women without being muscular. Do you know that?

[Ryan210000]

@AmyHew1tt do you know nearly all average and ugly guys that are not muscular have gotten a romantic relationship? They always had it harder compared to muscular and good looking guys logically when getting romantic relationships but they get it.

[Ryan210000]

Dont you know that most average and ugly guys always got girlfriends?

[Ryan210000]

That most average and ugly guys got girlfriends in their lifetime?

[Ryan210000]

@AmyHew1tt it is dumb you dont think most average and ugly guys have gotten girlfriends when it is true. You are ignorant for that topic.

[Ryan210000]

@AmyHew1tt you are ignorant for thinking most average and ugly guys haven't gotten girlfriends.

[Ryan210000]

Why dont you know that?

[AmyHew1tt]

How exactly am I ignorant? I never claimed average guys get girlfriends, in fact, I stated otherwise in my original comment. All that said, attractive fit people are always going to have an easier time of it. Men and women. And though you can be unfit and below-average looking and still find a partner, it doesn't mean you should be lax with your self-care.

[Oliverlogan263]

Yeah mate, I think you've got a good point there. A lot of those "red pill" guys seem to be more interested in chasing really fit birds rather than finding an actual meaningful relationship.

I mean look, we all wanna date fit girls, who doesn't right? But there's more to a relationship than just looks. And plenty of average or even not great looking blokes still find loyalty and love with girls who care about them as a person.

I think those red pill dudes are too focused on appearances and like, the "sexual market value" or whatever they call it. At the end of the day most people just wanna feel loved and connected with someone kind who accepts them for who they are.

Looks fade anyway, but a good heart and someone who has your back is way more important in the long run. So yeah, maybe they need to admit they care more about pulling stunners than finding real love and happiness. Not everyone can date a model!

As long as you treat your girl right, that's all that really matters mate. Don't worry what those try-hards say online yeah?

[Ryan210000]

Tell me if you agree with the long message I replied to the one girl.

[Oliverlogan263]

Uh yeah dude that was a long message! I kinda skimmed it so not sure I totally get everything you were saying. From what I read it sounds like you were talking about how some red pill guys act like they want relationships just for deeper reasons but really just wanna hook up with hot girls. Which yeah seems true some guys are like that. But also like you said, lots of average or even not so good looking guys find girlfriends and wives too so looks ain't everything. As long as both people in a relationship actually like each other's personalities that's what matters most right? Who cares what some dating advice videos say, just be with who makes you happy!

[Ryan210000]

I told her that if I dont mind to have an average to below average, fat, etc girlfriend than it is not necessary to work out for tbat reason? Like for guys that want hot girlfriends or gym rats yeah but my case?

[Ryan210000]

Read my last message when you have a chance.

[Oliverlogan263]

Yeah man I get what you're saying. If you're not too worried about looks and just want a nice girl to spend time with, then there's no big pressure to go to the gym or obsess over your appearance. For some guys it's really important to only date super hot girls, so they feel like they have to look a certain way. But most people aren't that shallow. As long as you're a nice, fun person to be around then that matters way more than muscles or whatever. And it's good not to limit yourself to only certain types of girls - leave yourself open to connecting with different kinds of people. Seems like you've got the right mindset about it. Working out is cool if you enjoy it, but don't feel obligated just to appeal to a small subset of girls. Focus on who you click with personally over just physical stuff. Sounds like you know what's really important in relationships.

[aceleon]

dude you do realize that red pill is mostly about not wasting time with love since the red pill matrix means waking up to reality whether it is bitter or not instead of taking the blue pill and living inside a blissfull DREAM, a true red piller does not believe in love (romantic one at least) and doesn't need it either, it İS about your SEXUAL market value, so isn't it kind of a given that they are not looking for personality but looks? since their purpose is getting CHİCKS not mother hens.

[Ryan210000]

@Oliverlogan263 and my height "5,7"?

[Ryan210000]

@Oliverlogan263

[Joshydavid25]

I don't think so.. Yeah a lot do focus on the best looking women, but many have probably just been hurt by a girl, and use the red pill content as an outlet to cope with whatever grievance they feel..

[LazerBean]

Pretty much. The way my husband describes it: Incels aren't actually incapable of getting girls. It's just that they refuse girls who are on their level and only accept girls who are several levels above them.

[Ryan210000]

Read my reply to the other girl and tell me if you agree with everything?

[LazerBean]

Right. People tend to get with people who are on the same level of attractiveness. Even basic psychology backs that up

[Ryan210000]

The guys who are overhyped about working out to get a girlfriend that mainly pertains to hot chicks?

[Ryan210000]

Please respond to my last message when you have a chance.

[LazerBean]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that message. I think it's okay to be hyped over working out for the sake of self improvement and such. But I think the who think they have to work out otherwise they won't get a girl think that way because they simply have nothing else to offer.

[Ryan210000]

@LaserBean I am asking if an average or ugly guy doesn't exercise at all but isn't fat or obese is he at a huge disadvantage when it comes to getting a romantic relationship with an average or ugly woman that isn't a exercise rat?

[LazerBean]

No, he will not be at a huge disadvantage.

[Ryan210000]

@LazerBean what about if he is "5,7" in height? I am that.

[LazerBean]

I know many guys shorter than that with steady girlfriends

[Ryan210000]

@LazerBean so me and other average and ugly guys that are not fat or obese and my height or shorter and that dont exercise shouldn't worry about not being able to get a girlfriend?

[LazerBean]

You're wearing me out, I already answered that

[Ryan210000]

@LazerBean one of my friends used to not be muscular, and not that good looking in High School and before that. He said it stuck with him how more people all of a sudden decided to befriend, get romantically, and sexually involved with him when he became very good looking and sexy. Since that happened he based most of his worth on his looks, despite being a wonderful guy. He always wanted his girlfriend to be super hot and still has that mentality.

[LazerBean]

So he got hot and likewise attracted hotter people. Congratulations to him, but that doesn't have anything to do with your question which is about average guys being able to get average girlfriends. Tbh the only people I know who can't get girls are the ones who are annoying AF.

[Ryan210000]

@LazerBean He never cared how a woman looks like with platonic relationships, hanging out platonically, etc but with romantic and sexual (she has to be hot). He says"workout and the women will be wanting you romantically and sexually badly." I told him how I never minded to get a non good looking girlfriend and you dont have to workout for one. I know the reason why I never had a girlfriend is due to shyness and I gotten less shy but I still need to work on it.

[Ryan210000]

@LazerBean also I am not asking you repeated questions anymore. All I am asking is what you think of him basing his value mostly on his looks, validation, and everything else I told you about him?

[Ryan210000]

@LazerBean I know it foesnt have to do with me, I just wanted to tell you.

[Ryan210000]

@LazerBean and you are serious about the annoying thing? Lol

[Ryan210000]

You guys killed that shark in the pic?

[LazerBean]

Yes I'm serious about the annoying thing lol and ah okay sorry I guess I misunderstood then. And yes, we killed it and it's in the freezer now

[Ryan210000]

@LazerBean how did you guys kill it and are you guys going to eat it?

[LazerBean]

After we reel it in we just cut the head off and clean it. And yeah we eat what we kill

[Ryan210000]

Cause I have always been about if the animal suffered.

[laly520]

in my opinion majority of em r solely focusing on women, what that woman said what she is wearing what she did etc etc missing the whole point of being red pilled as if their only concern is women

[Ryan210000]

Do you agree most exaggerate with needing to be muscular or good looking to get a girlfriend, when that mainly pertains to hot girlfriends (or exercise rats). If a guy doesn't mind average, below average, or overweight women as girlfriends than I dont think it is a NEED to workout. Agree?

[laly520]

they mainly wants to be muscled, more manly for the sake of emselves
to boost their ego thats too low most of time
they do believe gaining few mass would change their lifes or magically make em more desirable
as for girlfriend I think they dont see her as a human anymore but as a pretty piece to add to his life so he could brag more

[Ryan210000]

But you agree with everything I said?

[laly520]

yes pretty much

[Ryan210000]

Yeah because if average, ugly, fat guys, etc NEEDED to be muscular to get a relationship than there wouldn't be so many of them in relationships with women of their league or below. That is mostly if the guy wants an above average looking romantic partner or wants easy access to hookups of women of all look ranges.

[Ryan210000]

Some red pill videos talk about it sucks having a romantic partner that is ugly, average, etc. Nothing is wrong with that. Lol.

[Ryan210000]

For me I want a girlfriend but I dont mind if she is not above average. Since that is the case do I NEED to workout?

[laly520]

seems like a good way to think
well working out is always good since it keeps one fit n healthy but if u wanna do it then u gotta do it for ur own self n not cuz of some girlfriend

[Ryan210000]

Yeah but when it comes to romantic relationships not health, if I dont mind if my girlfriend is average to below, fat, other stuff than is it a Huge necissity to get muscular? Like I could see if really wanted an above average girlfriend or gym rat than it would be necessary to workout.

[aceleon]

dude let me make it clear for you. starting with a question:
WHAT DO YOU WANT?
hot chicks to get laid with? if yes better start working your ass off
a hot ''girlfriend''? again start working those arms instead of your fingers here
same goes for normal looking girls too maybe not your body but certainly your looks.
let me ask you another thing, you do realize that we are not living in spirit realm right? you say you don't mind having an ugly or so girlfriend but will you be willing to have sex with her let alone actually desire her İN THAT SENSE? sorry mate but unless you are a demisexual or something sexual attraction doesn't work like that, you need to be physically attracted to the girl to desire HER and not just the sex itself, her having a sugar sweet personality won't make your hormones to go crazy over her.
also again sorry but if you have no game or at least social skills to back it up, even being a muscular hot stuff won't get you girls if you don't pick their interest first, we are opposite creatures, girls are interested in what's inside your mind before they wanna look what is underneath your clothes while guys wants to see what's underneath the clothes before getting interested in what's inside their minds, as simple as that but being a nice sweet and caring guy won't do that kind of trick let me warn you before hand.

[Ryan210000]

Can you please respond to my latest message to you?

[aceleon]

are you talking with me?

[Ryan210000]

You can be real.

[Ryan210000]

BE honest

[Ryan210000]

@aceleon no

[laly520]

apperance alone isn't enough
personality matters as well when choosing

[Ryan210000]

@laly520 yeah but if when choosing an average, below average, fat, etc female romantic partner when it comes to looks, it is not a huge necessity to be muscular right if all the time non muscular, non good looking guys are in romantic relationships with average, etc women?

[laly520]

I mean even if she is average or below average doesn't mean she won't want a muscled guy

[Ryan210000]

Yeah but you always seen average and ugly women with average and ugly non muscular men. What am I asking is if I am at a huge disadvantage with getting a romantic relationship with an average, etc women while being non muscular?

[laly520]

well I hope u find the one u r looking for
best of luck ^^

[Ryan210000]

@laly520 you didn't answer my last question. You always seen average, etc guys in romantic relationships with average, etc women without being muscular yet you are saying you need to be muscular.

[Ryan210000]

@laly520 it is a simple question do average, etc guys have to get muscular

[laly520]

I didn't say u need to be muscular I just said some of those women who r average or below average would still have preferences n want t muscled guy n as a matter of fact I have seen few times before such type of ladies with muscled/fit guys

[Ryan210000]

@laly520 yes I always seen that too but at the same time always seen a ton of average and ugly guys who dont work out at all with average and ugly women who aren't gym rats.

[Ryan210000]

@laly520 to make it simple, average and ugly guys have been ok with getting romantic relationships without exercising despite some average and ugly women wanting the guy to be muscular.

[laly520]

ever faced such discrimination?

[Ryan210000]

Maybe sometimes in my lifetime but I think hardly. If you are referring to not exercising, not being muscular.

[laly520]

I hope it gets better in future