Once a close friend of mine told me of a morally wrong thing she’s done but she was happy about that even though there was the feeling of guilt.
I told “It’s okay. Morals are for unhappy people anyway.”
Philosophically speaking, they are. Would you agree?
i think immoral people are just trying to break rules for the thrill and own amusement. that comes in all sort of a sense of entitlement, feeling superior and reckless selfish behaviour, like doing drugs, masturbating, cheating, lying, hurting, manipulating, gaslighting, resentment, vindictive desire.
This kind of people are so dirty they get disgusted with how much evil they can get, when they are truly obsessed with something, like jealousy, self-atention, accountability, geting mad at someone else flaws or looks.
Believe me, i'm not attacking immoral people, we are exactly like this and very self-absorved, feeling undervalued by others, deflecting critics and always believing that we're right.
I'm very immoral, at last my true view: NO, doesn't make me happy, i've tried breaking rules, cheating, lying, stealing, never had but would easily try gay sex, trans, gangbangs, dominating. Would impregnate strangers. It's not that i'm fixated on any of this, i just would do it because why not?
I've tried feeling good feelings, ended up not having true self, beliefs, satisfaction, self-esteem, get anxious because i lack identity, goals, dreams, love for others, self respect, accountability, patience, empathy and most of all: happiness.
Im trully depressed, not kidding. But I regret nothing, this is the real me. I'm not "actually a good person inside", i'm a piece of shit and i know it, at least i dont keep saying "I don't know why I cheated, i was confused, on coke, i just felt sad baby, but i love you".
I just say: " i was seeking a crumble of relief, im shitty, and did not respected the agreement, i would like to turn back to being normal, but i like more being this piece of shait, if you want we could still fuck, lets be friends, dont take so heavily" and laugh.
Not proud, really, but how could i respect the other, if i dont respect not even what I feel is right? myself from the past used to have a lot of beliefs, today i dont believe in nothing, none, nada.
I think immoral acts can reinforce short-term happiness if they're in their own selfish, best interests.
Though longterm I think they open up for some bad habits that can really lead down unhappy paths. I think a habit of immoral acts is a slippery slope and even if great things can happen they it's probable they will self-sabotage in order to take the easy way out or just end up missing out on the things that are born out of work and patience.
Though, ofc, there are no perfect recepies for happiness. Because anyone can change at any time no matter the path taken and happiness is subjective.
But generally I think things that gives plenty of longterm purpose, like family, kids, longterm relationships, ikigai and such that takes true, honest, hardworking effort is what will bring the lasting happiness which will sustain people on their last days. When lifes meaning becomes more imortant and we're only as important as we're allowed to be by those who choose to stay by our side in bad health and old age.
That is the weirdest conclusion I've heard of in a while. There are tons of immoral people currently in prison, and I don't see them smiling. You also mention your friend feels guilt---if she were so happy about what she's done, then she wouldn't feel guilty. Those people who TRULY take pleasure in their immorality are usually sadistic or egomaniacal individuals who feel nothing for others and don't care about who they hurt. Lucky for your friend, she still feels something otherwise, I'd be questioning if it's a good idea to still be friends with someone who literally didn't give a damn who she hurt "as long as she was happy."
No... Since ancient times the measure for happiness was considered to be the fulfillment of a balanced, moral life... While in some circumstances we have to make tough decisions that veer a little on the edge between moral and immoral, the goal should always be the path to a "good life." Go read a book, man...
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I'm sure thats what a psychopath would agree with. But most people would not be happy when they betrayed the value of their soul. Its how you can destroy the very essence of who you are, by getting numb to the pain of doing so.
If you are a person who lives with integrity you have absolutely no problem living by your own morals and you will be happy as a result.
As an example because I listen to my moral compass I became the purest version of myself since my soul dictates what I love and what my morals are. So I am happy because of it, not despite of it. I am aligned with who I truly am.
If I were to disobey that i'd loose myself completely and i'd have to face the pain of the fact people could take everything from me including the essence of who I am. I'd be a destroyed mess corrupted by evil, and i'd also no longer be aligned with the kind of partner I would love.
So no, philosophically this is completely wrong to me. And if your tempted to explore that path don't. You will not enjoy the outcome.
No, morals actually provide a boundary to ensure happiness. Most people who want to break those morals or values think they may have more fun but the reality is, often they don't.
For instance if we compare Single and sleeping around versus Marriage and monogamy.
The advantages to being partnered out weigh being singled to me when it comes time to do the do. Sure you have to compromise and learn to accept the other person in a couple but to me that is just a part of growing up.
Anyway we could go down the list of moral v amoral actions one could take and you will probably see who has the most fun over time. While moral people may miss out on some excitement. Over the course of their lives they live better and hopefully are less miserable.
That's because people who are genuinely immoral are either ignorant enough not to realize the harm they do, or don't feel any guilt over it, which is often part of a mental condition like narcissistic personality disorder. If you are neither of these things, then being immoral probably won't make you happy.
I feel like you may simply be cherry-picking some of the the examples of the truly immoral living great lives and ignoring what I would say is an overwhelming majority of them who seem to be lonely, ostracized, dysfunctional, angry, unhappy people. It's just that those people don't become famous so you don't read about them.
There is also no shortage of books written by reformed crooks, criminals, and gangsters that tell stories about how miserable they were living those lifestyles and how they managed to, and how thankful they were to, escape.
Ultimately happiness is a state of mind. There is no set formula you get where you plug in some variables and the result is happiness. Some people get pleasure from helping others, some get enjoyment out of cause others pain.
That’s absolute horse-shit. It’s what it meant to be intellectually evolved ! Morality is what separates us from being savage , without which society as we know it would not exist. Our whole system of ethics and conduct is built upon morality. It’s what’s gives life balance “ doing what is right “ The immoral would never be happy.
All we are at the end of our lives is the sum total of our actions and experiences.
“Be your own master , and look at things as a man , as a human being , as a citizen , as a moral creature “ - Marcus Aurelius
“ I do not wish any reward but to know that I have done the right thing “ Mark Twain
It's an interesting perspective. But think for a moment what the world would be like if nobody had any morals. The only reason you can be happy without yours is because everyone else has evolved to follow theirs.
Morals are why woman have any rights at all. They're why the Starbucks barista can't just murder you for being an ass every day. Morals are what stops people from using poison gas in war or makes someone stick their neck out for you at work.
Having no morals in a world with morals, it may seem that way but the risk is that nobody is obligated to act virtuous towards you once they learn your true nature. Which they eventually will. Are you going to still be happy when everyone you thought you could trust sees you as less than human?
No I don't agree. I live by morals and principals and I'm very happy. The way I see it is if I did things that harmed others in big or small ways I'd have to carry that around with me. It would be a burden of guilt & shame. But I don't have that burden so I feel good.
Also I think most people that are fun and lack morals have something they're trying to escape from or some void they're trying to fill. They might seem happy on the outside in the moment but they're not. I know a person who's really struggling but always wants to party and break rules. She can be very friendly and nice and fun to be around when she's socialisining and drinking but as soon as she's alone she's suffering.
oing good feels good and when you're whole inside you don't need a thrill to distract yourself. It seems boring on the outside probably but it doesn't feel that way for me.
u well... a whole lot of people who like to throw their morals at everyone else... often seem to be very unhappy, lol
Id agree , most moral actions are complete and utter bullshit , like some of these Churchies , who say one thing , then do the complete opposite , so yeah its just something for sad sad people indeed.
u I can tell you definitely NO. Why? Because quite simply, many people today see morality as relative. In addition, religious faith, which concerns man's relation to God and to timeless and eternal truths, is often reduced to having good morals and having good morals is reduced to "don't be Adolf Hitler".
Then there's also the question of what you're defining as "happy". Keep in mind, pleasure and happiness aren't the same thing. Pleasure is temporary, shallow, and fleeting. Joy and happiness are consistent and are connected to choices we make. They factor in outlook, discipline, and a host of other things.
And ultimately, I really have to wonder how someone could and would come to that conclusion that immorality means happiness.
You are a bad friend then, and she should ditch you.
A morally wrong thing, once admitted, needs to be compensated for. Else the character and trustworthiness of the person and their supporters can be called into question.
This is why, in court, the prosecution will bring these sorts of things before the jury. They prove you are not a person whose word can be taken, nor character relied on.
That you were trying to roll back your supposed "friend" with negative platitudes, despite her admission, makes you one to hang from the rafters for being cancer on the soul.
Depending on what you mean by morals, i would argue if you have some kind of guidelines to abide by it can be more rewarding and thus make you happier in the long run. But you do you of course. So ill say i somewhat disagree on that
I have a completely different opinion. From my point of view, behaviors that harm someone else are morally reprehensible.
There are a few exceptions: sometimes it's appropriate to harm someone, for example, if they deserve it, or it's justifiable, for example, when it comes to protecting one's own life or that of loved ones. If morality is defined in this way, I believe everyone should adhere to it.
However, some people have strange ideas about morality that, in my opinion, don't make sense, such as thinking it's immoral for a woman to have many sexual partners. I find that foolish.
Sounds like your friend cares more about what she can get away with vs. what is right or wrong. Sounds like she’s likely gotten away with a lot. But she’s also got no leg to stand on when it gets done to her which she definitely has coming.
This is a breakdown in society. If everything is dog eat dog then civilization will eventually break down to anarchy. And leftist women who think that’s a good thing are too stupid to realize it’s society/law enforcement that protects their spoiled rotten ass’s from violent men.
Immoral people are happier? Really? Have you seen the numbers of immoral people locked up in prisons? No? How about the drug addicts? Alcoholics? Chain smokers? Abusers? Rapists? Molesters? Are they happier? Those are immoral things. Hell strippers, whores, and sluts all do immoral things are they happier? Most of them are miserable most of what I listed is miserable
I went to one of the best research schools on the planet and the very first research university, and in my positive psychology class which I received an A on, I learned that the greatest social difference that predicted happiness was whether they were religious or not. Religious people tend to be happier, and religions tend to emphasize morals, so your claim would be incorrect according to psychological data.
It is always hilarious that those that preach morals are usually the most miserable people on the planet.
I feel happy when I agree with my conscience... so I don't think I agree...
I think morals are for people who agree with them and want to live that way... it's a choice we make
I'm happy with my choice and my way of living. Don't feel like I miss anything
To abandon morals is to abandon laws and all social order. That makes rape, murder, theft, bigotry and all matter of such things socially acceptable and permitted without consequence.
Every human with limited exception has been endowed with the fundamental abilities to comprehend truth, justice and mercy. As a result of these three we have a working society and government.
Whereas morality in my view stands independent of humanity
No I view morals to be fairly fundamental to living life, having a relationship. Morals and ethics intertwine.
Loyalty
empathy
communication
respect
trust
consent
honesty
Compassion
being reasonable
Self control - morally wrong to hurt your partner
It’s not morality that makes one unhappy. It’s when people define their morality by rigid rules that makes one unhappy, because they’re unable to determine their self worth by anything else. These are people who live in absolutes, who fear the unknown. They see others happy and attribute their own “morality” as the reason for their sufferings.
if one needs absolute rules to dictate their decisions and worth, are they truly a “moral” person? Is obedience the same as morality?
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