The Truth About Why I Left the Church & Now Live in Sin (Trigger Warning)

[Smart_Girl92]

I can remember being in church before I was old enough to form proper sentences. Church used to be a second home for me. This is where I learned how to have good manners. This is where I could go to eat some good food. This is where I could play with all my friends, who felt more like cousins. It was where I could go to share my love for Jesus. Trust me, I was the epitome of a Jesus-freak. I went to all the youth meetings, YEC trips, volunteered through my church, helped out with the sign language/music portion of VBS, witnessed to any person who would listen, etc. I was a very devout christian.

But I was also carrying around a secret. Y'know we were always taught we can't hide anything from God, but I sure did try. I liked girls....as well boys. I recall wanting to kiss girls the same way I wanted to kiss boys before I was even ten years old. Let me clarify right away that I had no clue what being gay was until later in my teen life. So I had no idea what I was feeling was an actual thing or even normal. I just knew what the bible said, only Adam & Eve. One man, one woman. So naturally, I felt like I was messed up. This was the moment that I started becoming really into modesty and chastity. I thought if I pushed away ANY thoughts of anything sexual, no one would catch on to what I was really feeling inside.

But as you enter puberty, you start to feel natural urges. So of course, whenever a cute boy would smile at me, I would blush. This was exciting as well as terrifying. "What if I lose control around a cute girl??" "Everyone will know!" So my very young & naive fix for this was to be very boy-crazy & only have female friends I didn't find attractive. Each year I got older, these feelings never changed. Even if I was smitten with some dude I'd been crushing on, there was always a pretty lady who was friends with him. Then I'd almost always picture myself with her instead of him.

I think I was around age of fifteen or sixteen when I first stumbled onto porn. For whatever weird reason, it was during a sleepover at my house. Me & two of my best friends were up late watching movies on Cinamax. I don't know if other people are aware of this, but when it gets closer to midnight, that channel starts showing free soft-core porn. So our movie ends & the porno begins, first scene showing two women together. Immediately my two friends share a very audible "EWWWWWWWWWW!!!!", but I was just in shock & awe. I also remember feeling very relieved. Everything I had been wanting to do with other girls was right there on the screen. It was comforting to see that this was normal.

Those happy feelings didn't last very long though. Because as my curiosities started re-surfacing, I started questioning things. Of course, I never went to my parents or youth ministers with questions. Instead just asking around at school, which either way I got very negative answers. "It's not natural!" "Lesbos are disgusting sluts!" "Devil worshipping whores!" I lived in an uber conservative & religious small town, if that wasn't already obvious.

If I didn't already feel defective enough, these comments just broke me even more. I prayed so hard, so long every day & night for God to take it all away. I prayed to be a normal, good girl. Nothing ever changed. Feelings never went away. No matter how hard I tried to ignore them or pretend I was OK. Aside from being a closeted bi-sexual, I was also very different in more ways within my community. I was a victim of bullying almost daily. The worst case being when someone tried to force me to swallow a lit cigarette. "So I won't have to hear your stupid, annoying voice anymore." A lot of my time in high school was spent just crying & hating myself.

My parents were always worried about me. They took me to many different therapists, trying to figure out ways to help me & really know what was going on. But of course, I wouldn't tell anyone. I was a disgusting, slutty, whore of the devil. How could anyone tell their parents that? So the therapists just chalked it all up as an "emotional disturbance". Which I took very hard & completely out of proportion. "I'm disturbing." It was no secret to anyone that I was slipping into depression. It was just always a secret as to why I was. It got so bad that I started hurting myself. At first it was little ways, like snapping a rubber band against my wrist. Pinching myself & biting into my skin. Then it escalated to slapping or punching myself in the face & pulling out my own hair. I thought about cutting, but I never wanted to leave obvious marks.

To the outside world I was a very happy child, but whenever I was alone, I was completely opposite. Whatever any bully said to me that day, I took home & repeated it to myself in my mirror. Then I would pray for God to make it all go away. It never did. I started to believe the only answer was to make myself go away. That's what everyone else wanted right? I was stupid, fat, ugly, & a waste of space. I had the scissors pressed against my wrist, but my heart was wavering. I was in so much pain & really wanted to disappear. At the same time though, I still had hope God would make everything OK again. I was on my knees, tears streaming & begging continuously for a sign.

Nothing happened. I started remembering all the other times I prayed the same damn prayer & got nothing. No one was there to save me from this madness. No one was there to comfort me & tell me everything was going to be OK. I was alone, I was always so alone. This is the moment where most assume I cut my wrist for sure. Because if I lost God, there's nothing else to live for right? You're wrong, because I had myself. In such a sick, twisted, & beautiful way I finally accepted myself for who I really am. I thought, "This is me & I want a life that is mine. I'm living for myself, not anyone else." The scissors were put back in their place on my desk. I cleaned myself up in the bathroom, went to sleep, & woke up anew.

It wasn't until I was an adult & moved out of my toxic town that I started opening up about leaving Christianity behind. Yet I never told my full story to others. Just a simple, "I was gay & God doesn't like that!" I opened up to my parents though, which hurt my mom very much. She still hurts for me & says things like how she wishes she introduced other religions to me. In hope that I could still believe, just in a way that was comfortable to me. She doesn't have to fully understand, but the fact that she's starting to accept me for who I am means more than anything else. Sometimes I regret not coming to her earlier, I might of saved myself from developing anxiety disorders & depression I can't cure. But at the same time, my pain helped me to realize the truth. That there was never anything wrong with me & my life belongs to me.

[Anonymous]

Religion is just something made up by Man and is only used to control masses of people by only a few. Just have faith in yourself and if you feel comfortable in what you're doing and it's not harming others, you're good.

[Djaay]

Good for what? Being you're own God... thats blastemy..

[Smart_Girl92]

@Djaay I'm not claiming to be a God, I hold no power as such in stories. It'd be really cool though, not gonna lie. But having faith in yourself & believing in yourself isn't blasphemous.

[Djaay]

It is when the topic of discussion is about faith or religion's.

[FrenchyRomain]

@Djaay do you even listen to yourself? Believing in yourself and in your own capacities is a sin? it's blasphemous? REALLY? wow.
Have you even read the Bible?
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." And you have faith in that God... crawl back to the middle ages where you belong

[Djaay]

@FrenchyRomain. And then , here comes you... talking to me like I never had a whole life ahead of you so far. you're full of disrespect and hate. .

[slatyb]

@Djaay Blasphemy is an offense made-up by believers who can't handle expressions of disbelief. To non-believers blasphemy is not a thing.

[1truekhaleesi]

Great take! I have wanted to do a my take talking about how I went from being Christian to Atheist. I am just not sure that I am ready for the shit show of people who are bound to get offended.

[Caligula1]

Did you read the bible? That tends to send people in the atheist direction.

[1truekhaleesi]

@Caligula1 Yes that's part of why I am atheist.

[Caligula1]

I started reading the koran, but got bored after the 500th time it said god is great and unbelievers shall suffer.

[Caligula1]

Have you ever read a holy book for educational or other purposes?

[1truekhaleesi]

@Caligula1 I studied religion for a humanities class, but I have never read a religious book for educational purposes.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Caligula1 I have quoted scriptures back to people when they try to use them against me. If you really read it, cover to cover, it contradicts itself over & over again. It just seems as if a bunch of men wrote it to keep women oppressed & anyone who's different chastised.

[jennifer_bloom]

Every homosexual person I've ever met grew up in an abusive home or were abused by bullies at school. I used to be bi-sexual but God changed me. I have not been attracted to a woman in years and I never acted on my desire for woman because I had God to protect me from making choices I would later regret.

[Smart_Girl92]

Good for you, I suppose. But love is love. There is no shameful way to love someone.

[Jenima]

@jennifer_bloom I'm very happy for you.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You were a fraud from the begining.

Did you really think you were fooling God with your prayers?

God knew your desire for sin was greater than you fearing and obeying him.

You never liked or fear God.

It was all a show and emotinalism on your part til you finally had enough of your own deception and quit.

Romans 1:18-32:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to vile passions.

For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

1 John 2:19:

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

[Jenima]

I was waiting for your opinion. :-D

[Smart_Girl92]

If I have to fear someone in order for them to love me, I'll pass. I don't want that abusive shit.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Jenima You get how you're being the same level of sinner as I am. Because you're congratulating all the posts that are against me. I don't anyone's agreement to live my life. But if you're going to act in a petty, shady, spiteful way? Don't be surprised when someone gives it right back to ya.

[BrittBratt2416]

Well that's your choice, I don't know what to tell you... living in sin may feel good on earth cause that's how humans are.. we are sinful in nature and love to sin. We see God as a restricter instead of teacher, we choose the long wide path that everyone is on that leads straight to death but often don't want to stay on the long narrow road that leads to God. Nothing in this world is worth your soul but unfortunately people put it up for sale just to please people and the world. there's is nothing worse then hearing God say "depart me from me, I never knew you". Are hearing those words then living the rest of eternity away from God, away from forgiviness, peace, and rest really all that worth it? In my opinon, no.. but that's up to you and you made your choice. But it seems you didn't really have God in focus but church in focus instead, going to church don't mean a thing if your not searching for God in your heart, mind and soul... that's what it takes to find God. If you have one or all doors closed, then of course it's easy to give up and walk away from God and straight to the devil and sin.

[Smart_Girl92]

I'll simply agree to disagree. I met a lot of different people who believe in different gods or none at all. People can be happy with whatever lifestyle is best for them. You can fully disagree with that, because it is apart of your faith to do so. I for one, feel more free & blissful thinking for myself now. My mental health has also improved greatly when I left church & God behind. I will never apologize for making that decision in my life.

[Anonymous]

There is no God, but that's a story for another day.

You made the right choice in getting away from that world before it ruined your life, and ruined your children's lives.

How can people say that a religion that will disown people because of what or who they love is a good religion?

If there was a God, and this god was against gays, he could've just hard-wired humans to be against it. Can't say that it goes against his vows of giving humans free will, because he doesn't give them free will to worship other gods. The entire bible is flawed, religion is flawed.

My future occupation will be a reverse Jehovah's Witness, going door to door spreading the word about why religion is ruining the world.

[Smart_Girl92]

Thank you, I agree with you. & reverse Jehovah Witness sounds really amusing to me. Not gonna lie at all.

[Anonymous]

Personally, I believe in God, but I have more of a loose interpretation of what being a "good" person means, with sexuality having no factor. But I always find it so ironic how Christians are some of the most judgmental, unaccepting people. Good for you for accepting yourself.

[Smart_Girl92]

Which there are many examples of the judgmental types in the replies. Thank you for not being one of them. <3

[Opinion Owner]

Of course ❤ there are always going to be people who dont agree with how you choose to live your life but theyre honestly irrelevant. And people who have so much hate towards others are the ones who need to sort their own lives.

[loveslongnails]

Gotta tell you this... Churches and religions want you to think they are your link to God. Wrong. God doesn't hate you because you like girls. As a matter of fact, I can't find anything in the Bible that says "women can't lay with women", but there's a specific restriction about men laying with men. So whatever your position is, forget the Church's interpretation. You don't need to search out other religions that are accepting of your lifestyle. Be who you are, talk to your Creator from your heart. Forget religion... it's all dogma anyway.

[btbc92]

"As a matter of fact, I can't find anything in the Bible that says "women can't lay with women", but there's a specific restriction about men laying with men." Wrong. Read the Bible. It applies to everybody. Do not be deceived for the devil is crafty as he comes:

"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans 1:24-27

This is why a lot of LGBT+ hates Christianity and the Bible.

[btbc92]

Churches who condones that in their places of worship is not of God, is in serious error and leading people to the slaughter-house in sin. The word is very clear. He made man and woman to be together. 1 Corinthians 7 also proves this:

"1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." Where does it say it's okay to be with the same sex? It doesn't. Any church who says it's okay is damned if they don't repent from that error and telling lies. And it ain't me judging anybody, it's what the word of God says.

[BrittBratt2416]

@btbc92 That is true, that's why the lgbt community hates God and anything linked to God. It's cause God doesn't agree with any kind of sin, and what we changed and say is acceptable doesn't matter cause what matters is what God thinks. People change, but God always remains the same as He did years and centuries ago. If God said yeah go ahead and do your thing, sin all you want.. then I think a lot of people would actually accept God.

[BrittBratt2416]

Also notice how a lot of people are okay with different kind of religions that's all about finding yourself, opening your 3rd eye, you're own god.. stuff like that.. it's cause it has nothing to do with God. But once you bring up God of the Bible, it stirs up anger and conviction... that's how you know who the real God is in this world.

[therewego]

yes GOD does forbid the sex of 2 women together
it's right there in Genesis 3

And the lord said unto the serpent I will put enmity between thee satan and the woman eve, and between thy seed satan and her seed eve; it shall strike thy head, and thou shalt strike his heel

there is a reason
the fallen angels taught
the human race abortion,
told them that being gay is okay,
created birth control,

cause he doesn't want to be thrown into the fire, so he will do anything to save his own ass, to the point were he gets so desperate at the last days
that he will go around and kill the human race in person and GOD will have to come down and save those who followed him

it's how the game goes people

[loveslongnails]

@btbc92 Last thing I'm going to do is have a Biblical discussion or analysis, on GAG, with anybody. Thank you for the passages, and you can pray for my soul, if you like.

[therewego]

if you do not want GOD then go to hell your life is a waste now because of the choice you made

[Smart_Girl92]

@therewego If hell does exist, I've already signed my ticket to go there. But it's not very Christian of you to condemn others though. That's the real reason us gays hate religions that treat us like a witch hunt.

[therewego]

my bible says if someone wants to be gay I can kill them or keep them alive and give them a chance

those are the two options, we are all giving you pretty much a chance, we don't have to,

cause at the end of all this everyone that does not want to follow GOD is gonna be thrown away,

so whether we do it
or GOD does it won't change the out come
it's the persons choice

and I understand why GOD says kill gays
because they influence others into hell and GOD wants everyone in heaven
so it pisses him off

[loveslongnails]

@therewego Let's pose this question... If a gay person followed every other instruction from God, even as you deem it, and lived a life devoted to helping others, a la Mother Teresa, and so on. What if that were their only violation? But let's say the ONLY thing you did right was "not be gay" and were a terrible person, full of hate and anger, who never helped anyone but just preached empty words at them. What would be the outcome? Hint: Shut up and don't bother answering, because you don't know. YOU don't KNOW !! That's why YOU don't judge, or execute people that YOU think aren't following God's word. That's what ISIS does, you jerk.

[therewego]

you think you make the rules lol ahahahahahah
shut up you sound stupid GOD makes the rules

whether you like it or not
all Glory has been given to Jesus Christ above the Firmament

Job 37:18
hast thou with him spread out the sky which is strong and as molten looking glass

(ROCKET HITS DOME) YOUTUBE

[Smart_Girl92]

@therewego Any religion that says it's OK to kill another person simply because they do something you dislike is completely abusive. You can worry about my pussy-loving sinful body burning. I worry about what someone like you does on earth. If you're capable of thinking it's OK for gay people to be killed, because the bible says it's OK. Then you're also capable of following through with such actions. Because god told you it was OK right? I see plenty of people like that getting arrested on the news. God's laws don't really trump Police laws now do they?

[Sabretooth]

@btbc92 same principle.

[therewego]

listen to me
GOD IS GONNA THROW EVERYONE AWAY THAT DOES NOT FOLLOW HIM

gays, atheist, muslims, wiccans, satanist, rapist, killers, abusers
the list goes on

and since GOD is above the firmament only a few miles away not far
I know for a fact this will happen
there is a time limit till he comes down from the firmament

so GOD gave the human race authority to judge according to his word
because GOD understands something you all don't

THAT NO MATTER WHAT,
WHAT ANYONE OF YOU SAYS
OR FEELS
GOD IS RIGHT AND HE MAKES THE RULES

you can not make your own rules
end of story this goes for everyone on earth
whatever rules are in your head are garbage worthless, mean nothing

all Glory is given to my Lord Jesus Christ above the firmament

(ROCKET HITS DOME)

[loveslongnails]

@therewego As expected, you can't answer the question, and I never said I make the rules. God makes the rules, I just don't trust YOU to interpret them properly. Like I said, groups like ISIS think THEIR God has given them the rules too, and guess what you schmuck... YOU are a non believer, so YOU are kill bait too. Yeah genius, YOU... because you don't believe what they believe, so they are supposed to kill you. I know you're not smart enough to connect these two things, so I did it for you.

[Sabretooth]

@therewego incorrect: Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? f Do not be misled.* Those who are sexually immoral,*g idolaters, h adulterers, i men who submit to homosexual acts, j men who practice homosexuality,*k 10 thieves, greedy people, l drunkards, m revilers,* and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. n 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean;o you have been sanctified;p you have been declared righteousq in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

[Djaay]

@therewego. And theretheygo.!! If they make an absolute wrong choice to not follow.

[Anonymous]

Matthew 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."

Following God can be a difficult. You bavent experienced a bit of what others have gone through but still resisted evil.

1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation[a] has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted[b] beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,[c] he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

I also had bisexual tendencies from childhood to later teenage. I was also somewhat addicted to sex. I prayed God, with faith and I asked for Holy Spirit and he saved me. What you describe happens when you were younger than 18. You gave up too soon. You should have taken the example of people who endured almost all their lifes to finally find God's peace and relief. Don't follow the broad road. It feels good now but will lead you to sorrow.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Amen.

[btbc92]

The problem is no. You had religion. You didn't have God. Because if you had God. None of this had to happen. Everything you decide to do, gay and all is your choice. God is not forcing anybody to change and come to him if they don't WANT him. Your heart was not set on God. It was on the church. It is choice to live in deception.

"That there was never anything wrong with me & my life belongs to me." Yep. Your deceived. God brings forth life, he can take life away. You read your Bible you should know that with the way people are dying in the world. And he allows Satan to do it.

[Jenima]

Once again, great opinion. You're really a smart woman.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Jenima "If you can't change your mind than you're not really using it." Many scholars, philosophers, scientists, discoverers, inventors, etc. lived godless lives. They're truly the smart ones throughout history. Mainly because they didn't become sheep in the herd of ignorance.

[Smart_Girl92]

Without these individuals, we wouldn't have the modern society that stands today.

[Jenima]

Modern society has never brought happiness to anyone. It's good in some ways but people living in the forests can be more happy than those in modern societies so for me, that's really not important. And I think I have the right to find smart who I want.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Jenima I thought about living in a commune, so I don't disagree with you there. If the society we live in today still held true to scriptures, then I would be stoned & dead on the ground right now. That was the point I was making. The only reason you think this opinion was a smart one is because you agree with it. There have been many people I disagree with yet I can't deny their intelligence.

[Jenima]

Nope. If society still held to the scriptures, you'll be surrounded by people showing love to you while trying to help you return to God. That's what the scriptures recommand.
And I can also say that the reason you don't find that opinion smart is because you disagree with it. I've discussed with many atheists on this site and even with believers I don't agree with and anytime I find someone smart or polite amongst them, I have the honesty to underline it.

[themetalhead]

rock on gurl! I think its great you accepted yourself for who you are. sometimes, strict religion isn't for everyone. I don't believe it automatically makes you suffer eternal torment. what's best is for you to be who you are, and be a good person :)

[levantine99]

thats the demonic spirit of sodomy whispering these things in your ears. i was let astray as well in the past. but you can always return. homosexuality is a sickness of the soul and is healable. straightness is sickness too if you are a secular. a similar underlying spirit behind both of them.

[Caligula1]

Sexuality is a chemical balance, and people who have attempted to cure homosexuality in the past have been several physically and mentally harmed. Take Alan Turing for example. Something I like to use to explain to straight guys that there is nothing wrong with lesbians: You like girls, and they just so happen to think you are correct.

[Anonymous]

"This is me & I want a life that is mine. I'm living for myself, not anyone else."

You tell them! They don't own and control what you do and how you feel and how you want to live your life. You are free to choose what you want to do.

"That there was never anything wrong with me & my life belongs to me."

Yup! You got it! You are how you are and what you are. You feel how you feel, nothing and nobody else can change how you feel about your life and yourself.

[Goochbreaker]

It's better for society for women to be gay then for men to be gay lol, either way I think religion is a little strict on gays, but there is a worry that the prevalence of gay pop culture (like the porn you saw not even intending to view) is finding kids at a young age and putting ideas in their minds. Most parents don't want gay kids for obvious reasons... can you guess what those reasons are? I wouldn't be surprised if many didn't... lol... it's because they want fkn grandkids haha gayness means your genes won't propagate, if one looks at having kids as a form of immortality, gayness is a form of death! You are free to do whatever you want with your life, I have gay friends whom I love, but I wouldn't want my children to be gay and I think gay pop culture is out of control. This is some late roman empire type shit here haha but really I don't have a problem with people being gay, I have a problem with people being disloyal in relationships. Don't be that kind of sinner

[Smart_Girl92]

I don't think porn is necessarily the issue, but really lack of genuine communication between parents & kids. For example, I never had a proper sex ed talk from my folks. It was just "Your body is sacred, don't let others touch or see it." A parent shouldn't use their opinions to educate their children. You should give them all the facts & reassure them that the urges they're feeling are perfectly normal. Because by biology, it is normal. I had a boyfriend, who I did very much care for, at the time I discovered porn. What happened? We started doing what I saw, because of my curiosities. If my parents really discussed what sex is in a scientific way & an emotional way, I probably wouldn't have been as careless about protection & such. Thank goodness I never got pregnant though. Yet I know many other girls in my town who did, because they were uneducated about sex as well.

[Goochbreaker]

even if you don't get pregnant, giving in to those urges before you find someone special is a bad idea and makes us little more than animals... in an ideal world children would follow their parents advice and stay abstinent until they have been with someone for a long time or are engaged or married.

[Smart_Girl92]

I agree that children should wait until they're an adult to take part in adult activities. Because as children, our bodies & minds are still developing. Also, most kids only have sex, because it's the "cool thing" to do. But my experience, I don't regret doing sexual things with my ex from high school. He & I were together for 6 years, until we simply grew apart as adults. I disagree that you have to save yourself for that one special person. I've loved many different people in my life, so I really doubt "one true love" exists. Virginity can mean a lot to a person as well as nothing at all. There is no right or wrong way to have sex, unless you're forcing yourself to do things or forcing others to do things with you.

[Goochbreaker]

the right way to have sex is with someone you are going to be with forever. The forming and breaking of this bond, even once, leaves permanent scars upon the psyche, moreso for women then for men, which is why a virgin wife throughout history has been so desirable. Imagine having an outlook on life where you haven't loved many people, you have only just discovered you love one, and once that bond is formed, it is never broken. I'm sure you can see why this latter situation results in stronger ties between the man and women and statistically they will have a much better shot at being together forever. What if you meet the love of your life and the first time you have sex he's not as good as some other guy? Are you going to be imagining that 'other guy' or be impatient with your partner because he's not as sexually experienced as you? Rarely does anyone break up with their first partner... usually it's the one who's had multiple partners who does the breaking up.

[Smart_Girl92]

You need to look at divorce statistics again. There are even married couples who have an open relationship & their dynamic is sometimes healthier than a closed couple's. Because they communicate often, trust one another, are honest about their needs, & give that to one another. To deny your own needs & your partner's is never the right way to go. I'm an adaptable partner though. I can be in an open or closed relationship & be perfectly satisfied. My current love prefers monogamy, so I respect that boundary. You won't convince me that one partner & virginal love is the only right way for couples to live together. But we can continue debating about it, if you so desire.

[Goochbreaker]

Then I won't convince you, you do what you want and enjoy! Enjoy what you get.

[Smart_Girl92]

I get a lot of enjoyment, so thank you!

[John_Doesnt]

Good for you and I hope you're happy now. But PC principal doesn't like this microaggression and is triggered.
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[Anonymous]

I remember when I came out everyone just accepted me. I felt so cheated that there was no drama, no tears or anything.

https://youtu.be/KrlzaBNgz-M

[Lucifer_666]

You should look into Satanism. It'll make you feel more free

[Smart_Girl92]

I actually posted another MyTake educating people with a video a Youtuber Satanist made. She's also just really funny & trolls a bunch of the narrow-minded folks in the video. I like it a whole lot & it's the first organized group that I feel relates best within my lifestyle. I wanna get my membership card soon.

[Lucifer_666]

What membership?

[Smart_Girl92]

You can purchase cards from The Satanic Temple's website. It has their 9 tenets on the back, so it's just a nice reminder of what they stand for & such.

[Smart_Girl92]

You can also join their organization through the website & they'll show you where temples near your area are. Also send you news about what they're fighting for & such. It's really cool.

[Lucifer_666]

I wouldn't recommend that. Don't join any organizations. Satanism is meant to be an individual thing

[Smart_Girl92]

I wouldn't mind just going to make friends with like-minded individuals. That's how I found my atheists friends, because I went to a bunch of atheist meetups posted online. I would still like the card though, because it's cool looking. It's also just nice to have, in the event that people are curious about satanism.

[scooogy]

I never believed in such stuff, but I only had the chance to leave all this behind when I became an adult and made up my mind about what they told me. Then I was ready to leave them, which I did two years ago.

[Anonymous]

this isn't gods fault, its his peoples fault. there's nothing to be ashamed of but you must remember that you must not generalize all religious people to be harsh because you'll become the monster you ran away from. peace and love. hope you find whats best for yourself.

[razor97]

true.. but God's imaginary. just a human concept

[razor97]

soo.. if they are God's people why are they so sinful?

[Smart_Girl92]

I don't generalize others, except for the couple of ladies above who are spitting hellfire at me. Which is really weird how most women seem to have a problem with godlessness. But most of you guys, even believer, have been really polite so far. So cool... thanks.

[Sabretooth]

@razor97 adam and eve rebelled and sin was the only thing they had to pass on to everyone elsw

[Smart_Girl92]

@Sabretooth Thank you Adam & Eve!

[Sabretooth]

For being foolish and giving us a death sentence?

[Smart_Girl92]

@Sabretooth People will die no matter what. I don't think Eve was foolish for eating from the tree of knowledge. If I were given the choice between "ignorance is bliss" & "tree of knowledge"... pass me that apple mofo.

[razor97]

@Sabretooth that's a fallacy, it has nothing to do with what i was even talking about. why are the believers just as worse as the most wicked atheists?

[Sabretooth]

Even if you knew you would die? That's pure sucide! The bible says those who accepts God's rule will be spared/revived to live on a paradise.

[Sabretooth]

I'm beginning to wonder if this is even a serious mytake.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Sabretooth I'm very serious. I'd rather live all of life's outcomes & then die knowing I truly felt whole. It's even more an accomplished feeling knowing I discovered such wholeness on my own & by my own power. Rather than live in a "perfect" world for all eternity never experiencing anything outside of that shell.

[Sabretooth]

And yet-you've learned nothing

[Sabretooth]

you would've destroyed for nothing!

[razor97]

@Sabretooth so god all let these wicked believers in heaven because they didn't want to die? sign me up then

[Sabretooth]

@razor97 what?

[Smart_Girl92]

@Sabretooth By your eyes, no I haven't. But by others, I've come very far from where I was.

[Sabretooth]

Bible talks about such individuals: For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth. Regardless of the foolishness of what is said-they accept it as truth. The bible also says this The one walking with the wise will become wise,+
But the one who has dealings with the stupid will fare badly.+ I've noticed an abundance of both

[Smart_Girl92]

@Sabretooth If you have to use a bible to teach everything you will know about the world; you know nothing. True scholars know they have to step outside of their own opinion & beliefs to truly continue learning. Otherwise what has already been discovered would still be undiscovered if we kept relying on a unproven book for all the answers.

[Sabretooth]

"Unproven" it's proven every day by those who attempt otherwise-even scientists admit they'll never be able to learn everything-even some follow the bible themselves.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Sabretooth Where is it proven? It's probably proven that it was written by men who believed in god. But there's no scientific or possible way to prove that god exists. That's where people say: "You just have to have faith. You feel that He is there."

[Sabretooth]

You've proving it now. answersingenesis.org/.../

[Smart_Girl92]

@Sabretooth Can you show me sources not within religious means? Just because there are scientists who believe in god, that doesn't mean they proved he exists. I can't take you seriously if you keep throwing scriptures at me or "facts" posted on religious websites. I have to SEE to believe & I'm not seeing anything there.

[Sabretooth]

I used only two scriptures-and I have a much harder time taking you seriously-you're not seeing anything because you're simply choosing not to-what about those who've chosen not to take blood transfusions because of their scriptural ground? We now have safer means

[oddwaffle]

Did you know that God likes it when you choose freedom over some shady book he hasn't updated for a while? What's with the stone and kill anyways?

[somewheresomeway]

If you expect other people listen and be open-minded then do more research than making some ignorant comment such as "stone and kill" anyways. It shows you now VERY little about Christianity beyond what your friends and atheist social media posts told you.

Jesus SAVED an adulterer's life from "stone and kill" although it was completely within Jewish law to do so at the time. His advice was "let he has never sinned cast the first stone" and that is my same advice for people who respond to this take owner.

But you won't do your research, you won't take time to read the bible or figure out what's it's really about (you don't need to read it to believe it btw). No, no you are too cool and too modern to do that. You think you are rebel but you, in reality, you are just jumping on the bandwagon.

I expect you to to f bomb the hell out of this response. But at this same time pray for people who act this way. Best of luck.

[oddwaffle]

@somewheresomeway
Yeah old book never updated. Stone and kill alright.

[Smart_Girl92]

@somewheresomeway I'm actually totally cool with Jesus, he always seemed like an awesome dude. All my issues are with God, but that's just me. I don't hate people who are Christians or make it my business to tell them how wrong or right they are. I believe right & wrong is very subjective. I only hate the type of people who use anything they believe in to condemn, abuse, or fear-monger others. Which is what many believers in the post have been doing to me, so the shoe fits with their type.

[Jenima]

@Smart_girl92 You can't be OK with Jesus and not with God because Jesus has always been OK with is father, has always obey to his will and came on Earth to deliver his message. Jesus said if you reject him, you reject his father and if you accept him, you accept his father. He has never contradicted a single word of God but he said that he came to accomplish the law. If you really don't want to have a problem with Jésus, follow God.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Jenima No thanks. I don't have to completely hate the bible or it's stories. I have good memories as well as bad tied to when I followed those scriptures. But they're just memories now & that's the way they'll stay.

[Jenima]

I just wanted to make you understand that you're not cool with Jésus.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Jenima I'm cool with the idea of him, not so much executions of what god puppeteers through him.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Jenima I was also being somewhat sarcastic. Sorry you couldn't catch that, hon.

[Jenima]

I don't catch sarcasm because I'm frank ans used to frank language.

[somewheresomeway]

@Smart_Girl92 Just to let you know I did thoroughly read your take and I'm sorry about the bullying you endured growing up. It takes one to know one when it comes to that. My childhood years were BRUTAL being a shy, sensitive, chubby, semi ginger kid. But when I got in high school I choose to focus on school and sports to excel. I refused to stay down.

Anyway, I admittedly first thought your take was going to be another antitheistic, modern Christian bashing take. Those diatribes usually focus on hating Christianity because it's more a of "white" religion, but they usually sidestep Islam or Judaism. The book of Koran commands throwing gays of buildings by the way...

And nowadays its no longer just fine to identify as an atheist and respect other people's faith. No, no you have to take things a step further and sneer, mock and attack "religion" (I don't like that word btw). It's just so cool to be a smug atheist.

You are not like that, but many of the people commenting on your take are.

[Jenima]

@somewheresomeway "You are not like that, but many of the people commenting on your take are."
Talking about the girl who just told me "Fuck you... that's another reason lgbt+ community hates believers like you." "Like how I just hate people like you, so no love exists in my heart towards you."
Right !

[Smart_Girl92]

@somewheresomeway I only attack when a person attacks me first. Because I believe in "an eye for an eye", karma, & "you get what you give". Even then though, I've said throughout my replies to their replies that they're not wrong for being Christians. They're just wrong for how they're speaking to me as a Christian. They're wrong to tell me I'm wrong, when right & wrong are subjective. They're probably the type of christians who tell Jewish, Muslim, or Catholic people that they're worshiping the wrong way too.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Jenima Because you provoked me first. You get what you give.

[Deathraider]

Yep. A lot of religions restrict the expression of one's self. I mean this isn't harming anyone nor is it a choice.

[MlleCake]

I'm sorry anyone, anywhere, tried to separate you from God's love. You will always be loved, no matter what.

[Smart_Girl92]

Thank you for the sentiment, but I separated myself from any Deity & I'm a lot happier now. My mental health also improved, which is a huge motivator for me. I know it's really easy to say Satan forced me into this, but no, it was my own choice.

[Jenima]

Of course it was your own choice. @MlleCake God loves people but hate sin and because he loves people he wants them to stay away from sin. That's what he asks. He can love you but if you refuse to be saved by him, he won't force you.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Jenima I find it false love if you hate who someone truly is.

[Jenima]

Then I'll be happy to false-love my brother if he was a kleptomaniac for example.

[Smart_Girl92]

@Jenima Fuck you... that's another reason lgbt+ community hates believers like you. Kleptomania is a proven mental disorder. Being gay isn't! It has not been proven to be a disease as so many of you spout it is. Science & biology has already proven it to be completely normal. Ohhhh right... science goes against religion though right? So again, if you hate us being gay, you hate who we are. There's no love in hating who someone is. Like how I just hate people like you, so no love exists in my heart towards you.

[Jenima]

Lol you didn't have to admit the hatred you have in your heart. It was already obvious from your take. You didn't choose to do "what is right for you" you chose to challenge people towards whom you had accumulated so much hatred and grudge. I think you wrote this take to fish for appreciation to make you feel better. Therefore you have a problem. Noone can be happy while living with hatred in the heart.
I seriously advice you to pray God to find peace.

[MlleCake]

@Smart_Girl92, this is pretty much illustrating my point, isn't it? Someone trying to tell you you're shut out. No wonder church wasn't for you.

I'm not an evangelist in any way, but I am in the LGBTIQ community. If you ever just want to talk about your experiences, DM me anytime.

[Jenima]

@MlleCake You are not helping her. What would be helpful is to tell the truth not what you want to believe. God has offered forgiveness to everybody. All we have to do is recognize our sinful nature. You can't follow God while trying to be justified in your own eyes. The word of God is clear. Jesus said a well-being person doesn't need a doctor. If you don't want to admit your sickness, you can't enter in his grace.