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this is why you got to pick up the Bible and read it for yourself. you have to truly get to know God and I don't understand the reason why he says the things he say. because if you don't personally want to know him yourself there is no point in explaining to you why it's a sin when you living in it. and that includes myself and any and everybody. everything does and then said in the Bible has to do with all of our past. it is a past that many people have no idea of because the things that has been revealed and done in the past is that scary.
1. God gave them a simple commitment to not touch tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. God is not just our creator but he is also our father. he gave us an Earthly father which helped us to be born, he is our spiritual father when we do not have an Earthly father in our lives. by eating the fruit they were disobedient.
2. by them eating the fruit as well they cursed all of us. do you know where are menstrual period came from? did you not know that we were not supposed to have menstruation, or bleeding, or pain during intercourse let alone labor. that's the curse on us women. because of what Eve chose to do.
3. Now because Adam also ate of the fruit, he cursed the men too. This is why men are dying the way they are today. Because of what Adam did.
4. Also ever wonder why a lot of women hate men? And vice versa? Part of the curse. There would be animosity between men and women as is today.
5. Cain committed the first murder in history. And is the world's 1st murderer.
6. Abram committed adultery with the consent of Sarai - NOT GOD, and made the first idea to concubines.
7. Dinah was the first recorded rape victim, because of a rich prince's lust. so for everybody that wants to say how premarital sex doesn't lead to rape this is perfect proof of that. sadly the same thing is happening in Middle Eastern countries today in the 21st century.
Do anybody not see the chaos that stems from this? also most of our technology that we have today at a 21st century is nothing new. they have similar and far more advanced technology than we ever would have dreamed of in the past. or this was forbidden knowledge that was stolen from heaven. from the fallen angels that we called demons. they taught men astrology, astronomy, how to forge a weapon, how to make fire, etc. And now what are we doing with it? Making war with each other. this is why God wanted to keep us away from this. how is anybody going to truly understand how God works
My interpretation is that Adam and Eve were blissful in their innocence and naivety of the darker possibilities of human kind. They were like children who had lived in a garden of perfection and beauty their entire life.
You know how people will be really happy and then they'll be informed of horrific news that they never imagined possible? I think that's what the fruit of knowledge represented. God gave them the option of ignorance to the potential horrors of the world and with that ignorance, God would allow them to live in a perfect and blissful world.
But once they ate that fruit, they saw all the horrible stuff that could and would happen throughout history, and because they couldn't un-see/un-know such a twisted world, they were unable to regain that blissful and perfect life. God gave them a choice and they chose to "go down that rabbit hole" so to speak.
The world that God had originally given them was untainted by the world as we know it today. Seeing all of the horrors made them paranoid and if you see how they turned on each other and how their children then followed suit murdering and hating each other, those visions became self- fulfilling prophesy.
Because of pride and disobedience. They let the parasite thought of the serpent sink in, that they'll become Gods without God. also when they were asked about it God who is to blame, Adam said "it was Eve that YOU made". there man fell from grave. He was sassy enought to blame all his wrong doing on God. people out of grace tend to blame anyone but themselves for their choices. Also its not about "good knowledge" like science etc, it was the knowledge of sin. Humans were in an angelic state initially, when cunning was introduced in the world they started degenerating.
It's interesting that the original sin is often misinterpreted as taking a bite from the fruit of knowledge. It's not.
The original sin was man's complacency. God only told Adam not to eat the fruit from the tree - he never told Eve. Eve was told by Adam not to go into that section of the Garden of Eden.
When Eve brings back the fruits from the tree of knowledge, Adam recognized what they were, but didn't warn Eve. He wanted to see what would happen when she ate the fruit, so he said nothing. That's the real original sin - complacency.
you have to understand we're all on earth to be tested. Tested to see it we're worthy to be at God side and are as pure and good as he is. To see if our heart is really with god or not. It looks like you don't really understand the events of the story even though it's all in the Bible. But god told Adam and Eve that eating the fruit would cause them to die. People don't realize death to god isn't the same as death to us. God speaks of spiritual death which is judgement day when he will be judge, jury, and executioner. When most of us will be thrown into hell where our spirit goes to die. I was taught this a longboard time ago so all my facts might not be right, but something you should also understand is that God is all knowing. We have no idea why he does the things he does and never will until the lucky few get to be by his side. For us to understand what god does what he does would be like an ant trying to understand why we do what we do. Throughout the Bible you can see the way god explains things is like how you would try explaining something complex to a child. He uses objects and things we'd understand as comparisons. When jesus tries to explain heaven he explains it as like a wedding ceremony. Way off track, but the point I'm trying to get to is that, there's hidden meaning throughout the Bible. there's connections that are so easy to see, but so few actually see them. There's a bible verse to explain all your questions. The right person just never showed you. I believe god gives everyone the opportunity at some point in their lives to be truly close to him. Being all knowing I feel like he knows who among us would be children of his and who wouldn't be. There will be times where wolves in sheeps clothing will try to kill you as god as said.(spiritual death) those wolves in sheeps clothing could be me. Mormons, jehovad witness, etc. anyone who doesn't truly know god, and what he preaches, but tells you they do is a wolf in sheets clothing. God explains in the Bible that his people and his children are like sheep. Jesus is the Shepard who came to earth to find his lost sheep. (Parable about this in Matthew Or luke). However the wolves will be people who belong to wrong churches, which Jesus said there would a lot of, and try to turn gods people away from him by converting them to the wrongn faith. Yes there is a right church and a right religion. Finding it myself has been the complicated part.
It's just a story made up by old men.
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It's an etioogical myth. Surely it couldn't have been wrong. If the fruit was truly the knowledge of good and evil, and Adam and Eve did not yet know disobedience was evil then how could they be held culpable?
The Christian God forbids many random things for no reason at all, things most Christians probably do all the time.
Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard." No bowl haircuts guys.
Leviticus 11:8, which is discussing pigs, reads "You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you." No bacon sandwiches, no sausages, no pork.
Genesis 38:9-10: "Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also." No pulling out when you go balls deep then, or else you'll be punished, possibly by death.
Leviticus 19:28 reads, "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord." No tattoos.
Deuteronomy 23:1 reads (this is the God's Word translation, which spells it out better), "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord." Had your balls crushed, penis cut off by some evil bitch, or just had them surgically removed due to testicular cancer? You're not welcome in Church.
Leviticus 11:10 reads, "But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you." No shellfish.
Deuteronomy actually devotes two verses to this exact scenario: Deuteronomy 25:11-12.
"If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity." If your Husband is being attacked and you grab the attacker by the balls to save him, you should have your hand cut off.
He just sounds like a massive dickhead to me.
I'm sorry, it is because God said. And it's not because of the fact "He" said it. It's the fact that he told them it was forbidden to eat from that tree, but they said "fuck you" to their creator. You know, the one that gave them life. Hence, that is why, in the Commandments, another sin is not honouring your mother/father.
But really, it's a kick to the gut and a really great insult and a shit in the mouth, when you put so much care into an individual that you would do anything to keep them safe. Kind of like how a mother/father, who is actually caring and honest with their children, the ones they raise for 18+ years, the mother/father who essentially created you from nothing really, who you should give all your thanks to for them being the ones who decided to, give you life to begin with and that you would still be, for all intensive purposes, an unknown part of existence, if it weren't for them knocking boots.
Like it shows that you care the fuck less about them if someone that cares so much for someone that they stop and change every part of their life to accommodate your sorry ass, for the rest of their life really, so that you can become something of importance or something they can be proud of in their eyes, and then tell them, "I'll do whatever the fuck I want even if you don't like it." Yeah, it is your life, you are an adult and you have the gift of "free will", so you can do whatever the fuck you want really. But why not show some form of appreciation for the people and "Entity" that created you and a place for you to be you? Is that too much to ask really?
I don't care much about religion as much as I used to, since I think there are ulterior motives to religion and religions of all sorts are hypocritical most of the times, from what I've seen and from what their beliefs are suppose to teach the believers. But I will always believe in a "GOD". Whatever "It" is. I don't believe it's anything we know it as, but I believe it's some of everything we know it ass and more of what we can't fathom. But I'm not going to be ignorant and think that because I don't have solid proof, that there can't be. Too much we as humans can't comprehend and can't fathom to be ballsy and to have the audacity to think as humans, we know all.
I don't know.
But I suppose you can think of knowledge as the ego in its most gross state. Or as the point of contrast. In order to learn a lesson, and appreciate what you have in life, you need the freedom to go awry, experience pain, and come to a wakefulness through that. So in a sense, 'God' is giving us freedom through knowledge, pain and suffering. The tree of knowledge is just a metaphor.
Ego is not in itself a bad thing or a cause for suffering. But rather, how we use it to interact with the world. It seems any person who wants to deny his ego can only do it through passivity (or passive aggression), self denial, great effort, contrivance and sexual repression, all these natural desires finding expression through awry secondary means. Like walking on thin air, one has no grounding in physical reality. It should be noted that as soon as someone becomes judgmental to people who are 'evil sinners', one is in essence speaking from the ego anyway (hypocrisy), without love and compassion (which is supposed to be the essence of religious teaching), and seeing them as other, not to mention denying your own bad aspects in the process.
OR you could take a materialistic perspective, deny our spiritual aspect, and see how hollow (and pain laden) life is. The pain comes from feeling oneself as separate to the universe and everyone around him. To only acknowledge one's ego, or sense of self.
The third way is to see the material world as not something dangerous and a source of temptation, but irradiated by the spirit itself. It's a merging of the two.
"Christianity and the Old Testament both point to a definite event, as a result of which man has developed his inner life in such a way that he can make his existence in the world around him a source of suffering. Suffering is not inflicted on us by the world we perceive through our eyes and ears, the world in which we are incarnated; humanity once developed something within itself which placed it in a wrong relation to the world. And as this is inherited from generation to generation, it is still the cause of human suffering today. In the Christian sense we can say that from the beginning of the earth-existence human beings have not had a right relation to the outer world." Rudolf Steiner
God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden to give Adam and Eve a choice to obey Him or disobey Him. Adam and Eve were free to do anything they wanted, except eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:16-17, “And the LORD God commanded the man, ‘You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.’” If God had not given Adam and Eve the choice, they would have essentially been robots, simply doing what they were programmed to do. God created Adam and Eve to be “free” beings, able to make decisions, able to choose between good and evil. In order for Adam and Eve to truly be free, they had to have a choice.
There was nothing essentially evil about the tree or the fruit of the tree. It is unlikely that the fruit, in and of itself, gave Adam and Eve any further knowledge. That is, the physical fruit may have contained some vitamin C and some beneficial fiber, but it was not spiritually nutritious. However, the act of disobedience was spiritually deleterious. That sin opened Adam’s and Eve’s eyes to evil. For the first time, they knew what it was to be evil, to feel shame, and to want to hide from God. Their sin of disobeying God brought corruption into their lives and into the world. Eating the fruit, as an act of disobedience against God, was what gave Adam and Eve the knowledge of evil—and the knowledge of their nakedness (Genesis 3:6–7).
God did not want Adam and Eve to sin. God knew ahead of time what the results of sin would be. God knew that Adam and Eve would sin and would thereby bring evil, suffering, and death into the world. Why, then, did God allow Satan to tempt Adam and Eve? God allowed Satan to tempt Adam and Eve to force them to make the choice. Adam and Eve chose, of their own free will, to disobey God and eat the forbidden fruit. The results—evil, sin, suffering, sickness, and death—have plagued the world ever since. Adam and Eve's decision results in every person being born with a sin nature, a tendency to sin. Adam and Eve's decision is what ultimately required Jesus Christ to die on the cross and shed His blood on our behalf. Through faith in Christ, we can be free from sin's consequences, and ultimately free from sin itself. May we echo the words of the Apostle Paul in Romans 7:24-25, “What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
Speaking of this whole thing, Lucifer had always despised and hated humanity, and it always depicted him as the one that is bad and jealous of humankind. Perhaps he had always believed and know that humanity was a big mistake and that it really don't make sense why they even exist and had been created, when his own creator's best and most loyal creations had already been created and existed. And the most insulting thing was being ordered to bow down to humanity's creation. Perhaps, he knew how big of a disaster, disappointments and failures that humanity will turn out to be and really just wanted God to reconsider his experiments that will eventually become failures and result in disappointments. He probably wanted to save his own father the heartbreak and disappointments on how humans are going to turn out to be, but instead he got the boot and kicked out of his own home.
And so he made it was entirely his goal at all cost to prove the point that humanity will be disappointments and fail. That they can be easily manipulated into doing anything somebody wants them to do by using the right ways and methods to convince and persuade them otherwise all to prove to his own creator that his creations are not completely as obedient or as "perfect" in his own image or likeness as his very own creator had expected them to be and so he set out to do what he did and he was successful at it. He did it, he didn't make them eat those apples. It was ultimately their choice to to do what he manage to convince them to do. He only showed them the door, but they choose to walk through it. Perhaps, Lucifer was trying to make his point to his creator "Father, did you just see how easy it was for me to trick them into doing something you don't want them to ever do or expect them to not do? They're only going to disappoint you and let you down, why won't you listen to me for once and trust me for once? I just manipulated them to do something you specifically told them not to do, and yet they did it anyway. I'm surprised at why you didn't even try stop me? Perhaps you are starting to have second thoughts about them? If you think they're bad, gullible and disobedient now from just this incident of eating from a specific tree in your garden, just wait. Because, you still haven't seen anything yet, because I know they are gonna completely mess everything up, including all of your hard work. I know they will eventually destroy and hate each other and all your other creations too."
God is someone displayed to be all knowing and all powerful, humans not so much. Maybe he knew we couldn't handle it, think of it this way
What was the world like at the start when in theory God created it and mankind was simple? Nice tranquil and God's creation of nature (including man) worked in unison
Now think what man has done to the world all the way up until 2017, the world is seemingly falling apart at its seams. War, hate crime, corrupt government & business, poaching animals to extinction, de-forrestation, pollution, as of late the biggest hurricane yet just a week or two ago.
Eating the from tree by proxy was allowing all of this to happen. I understand sin not just something that's bad, but something destructive and hurtful to either ourselves, others or the world in general. Something the one thing that supposedly an entity called "God" gave us which is life.
So the sin in question is the disobeying of God, someone that had never left Adam to stray and as a result we suffer earth's history and future as consequence
The answer is simple. Information is power. When you have information, you have a better ability to protect yourself or attack others. When others have information you don't or have information about you, they can use that information against you either attacking you or controlling you.
By eating from the Tree of knowledge the allegory is that you've lost your innocence and ignorance. Like a child who is always happy and doesn't have any responsibilities, ignorance is bliss. God was the parent and we are the children is the image here. Once we've eaten from the tree and gotten smart we have grown up and no longer need God to be our parent and we go out on our own and must care for ourselves.
That's the symbolism.
The reality is that the less you know, the easier you are to control and those who want to control you don't want you to know anymore because they understand you gaining information is power and that makes it more difficult to control you.
Look at science and look at religion.
Generations past almost everyone was religious. With advances in science technology and communication, we we now know more about the world and each other than ever before and with all that knowing is making more people into atheists and having mixed marriages or gay marriages etc...
In other words, the information that we have gained is giving us freedom which means that those who want to control us are finding a much more difficult or no longer can.
So the bottom line story in Genesis about eating the Apple and getting kicked out of the Garden of Eden is a parable that is propaganda by those who want to control you to tell you to not get smart.
Satan had rebelled against God and taken a bunch of God's angels with him. Satan told God that God's law was stupid and unfair, and that people would be better served by putting themselves first rather than other people first. Satan demanded a chance to prove that he was right. So God allowed him to set up shop on every planet in the universe, at one designated spot--the tree.
Adam and Eve happened to be the unfortunate couple that ruled our planet. By eating the fruit, they pledged allegiance to Satan and turned our world over to him. This allowed Satan to conduct his experiment, in which he intended to show the universe that putting yourself first produces better results. I trust that everyone can see that he has utterly failed.
So, to sum up: it was a sin, because the act of eating the fruit was symbolic of them casting a vote for Satan.
And regarding knowledge: there are some things that people would rather not know. I can say that I do not have knowledge of what it feels like to lose a child. That is knowledge that would bring me great misery, and I do not wish to gain that knowledge. The knowledge Adam and Eve gained, of evil, is exactly like this, because that knowledge brought them pain and misery. No wonder God did not want them to have that knowledge.
Actually the thing is that they were pure good so they didn't have any understanding of negative ideas and emotions anyway God to told them not to eat it because if they did they will die spiritually in order to know that knowledge of good and bad so he forbid them from doing but what God wanted is to make mankind on Earth then back to Heaven so he came up with the forbidden tree because if he didn't do that Adam and Eve will never have to go to Earth thus there will no need for the mankind called sons of Adam to ever exist so that's not what he wants he wanted both Adam and Eve and all of the humans to live in heaven so the only way he saw best is to let Adam in Eve go to Earth and populate then rewarding them by letting live in heaven for ever so the forbidden tree is just like a father telling you don't eat that sweet little peace of Candy on the table until I come back he already knows that you will eat it actually his waiting for you to eat it because he knows he will for give you if did and you will gain knowledge from it and you will learn the lesson he wanted to realize anyway some things just needs to look at the bigger picture to understand them or else they will never make any sense no matter how you look at them
Disassemble the question, an apple wouldn't be a fruit from a tree of knowledge now would it. So it might be safe to remove the physical apple from the equation, like wise the physical act of having a solid peice of food lodged in ones throat, so what are we left with. Adam and Eve took some thing from the knowledge of god, but what? The most of the story after is god can tell that adam and eve have this knowledge and attempt to hide from god. Can we assume then that god in this passage WAS the tree of life?
I don't think that the sin was to learn, but to hide the learning. If you think of an ecosystem whithin which there is a knowledge tree, adam and eve would have had to contribute to the environment, thats the natural way, but they HID their knowledge, whatever that was, from the "Lord the giver of life" from a Theological stand point that is an affront to god who is perfect and created man in his image. From a natural standpoint its parasitic and a threat to the life of the tree of life since for the effort excreted in producing fruit was wasted. in my opinion anyway x
Who told you it was a apple? It could have been a peach.
God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil and commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of it nor it touch lest they die.
He did it for the simple reason that without giving mankind a choice of obedience there couldn't possibly be true worship and honor of God.
Adam and Eve decided to excerise their free will and rebel now we are here in a crap world filled with pain and sufferings til God puts and end to everything and start all over into a perfect beautiful world once again like before in the Garden of Eden.
It was sin because god forbade it, that is the definition of sin, and trust me i know, look at my name.
however, the story is often used as a metaphor because Adam and eve live in blissful ignorance of the world, a paradise like the animals free of guilt, suffering, pain and many of the emotions of mans higher thought. However, by consuming knowledge they became self-aware. They suddenly knew what nakedness was and learned to feel shame, they felt guilt for betraying god, and would forever suffer because these emotions would forever rule their actions like anger, envy, lust, etc.
because god was a douchebag. he knew they would not be able to stand the temptation, cause he knew that´s what free will does in the face of eternity.
that´s like putting you in a room with a button forever to stay, telling you not to push the button. at some point you´l just do it.
god knew that and did it cause he´s a sadistic asshole who likes to punish creatures for doing the thing he created them to do.
if you´re a christian keyboard warrior trying to convince me of god, just stop it please. this isn´t directed at you @Warmapplecrumble it´s meant for the christian fanatic who was reading this and is considering to plaster me with bible quotes right now, that´s right i got you! just stop please.
It went against the word of God. Personally I believe that by banning them from eating from the tree of knowledge, it was taking away Adam and Eves true free will. Therefor the supposed "devil" gave them true free will and the knowledge of consequences. If they'd stayed in the garden, they'd never have had knowledge of evil and destruction, but without knowledge of that, how are they ever to be able to decide what is right and wrong through their own free will? They just couldn't, and they couldn't be truly free without that tree. I think God called it a sin as it went against his word, and meant they were less in his control.
I don't believe in the story as I'm not a Christian, that's just how I inferred it when I was at church when I was younger. If you chose to believe God was protecting them, that's your own choice and that's okay, that's just my interpretation.🙂 Free will and all that 🙂
God knows the true good and evil. Humans don't. When God commanded not to eat those, it means it's evil and sinful. Humans, obviously not understanding what's right and wrong, celebrated their free will and ate the apple. After that, they knew they fucked up and realized what they did was wrong because they know the right and wrong. Thus, look at our world. Because of them, we live like a bunch of sad zombies. Not God fault because free will was given to us. We chose to become shitty. Thus, to undo that sinful decision, you accept God's idea of right and wrong and obey.
Because being a brainless idiot allows smarter people to manipulate you and make you do what they actually want. Being smart allows you to question, search for the truth by yourself, become curious and again QUESTION what you are told (that is how progress is made)
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." -- Richard Dawkins
The tree of knowledge is symbol of the knowledge Adam and Eve gained after they disobeyed God. Before hand, they were pure and innocent a lot like the way a child is before learning about sin. But even in the Garden of Eden there was good and evil, God and Satan. The tree of knowledge was inhabited by Satan (the snake). It's not like God was like this is the tree of knowledge.. don't eat from it bc I want you to be dumb. It was more like a father protecting his children from seeing the evil of the world the way most parents would.
u "Surely knowledge is a good thing." Whenever an argument contains words like "clearly" or "surely" or "certainly," that is an indication of the weakness on the argument.
If you had a terminal illness which was not treatable, which would simply and suddenly kill you one day without any prodromal symptoms, would you want to know? Many people would not want to know.
The story says that Adam and Eve lived in innocent bliss until they ate of the tree of knowledge, then they were ashamed of their nakedness and they cowered in fear. "Surely knowledge is a good thing?"
Well, the tree of knowledge represented a lot of different things that ultimately cause more suffering than good. Believe it or not, being knowledgeable or very intelligent can have disastrous effects on your mental wellbeing. You can be more inclined to depression. Have you ever heard the saying "ignorance is bliss?" Well, sometimes not being knowledgeable of certain things will keep you alive, happy, and avoid suffering. When Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge, they were overwhelmed with feelings of shame because they were naked. Sometimes it's better to NOT know certain things. Parents hide things from their children all the time. Have you ever heard the saying "curiosity killed the cat?"
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