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For example, most of them think there's some kind of 'afterlife', but there isn't. The Jews (you know, those people who gave us the 'Old Testament', and upon which Christianity was founded) don't accept this idea. Ecclesiastes 9:5 says as much.
There is no afterlife. There just isn't. Why would you want to exist for an eternity anyway?
In 1 Samuel 28 the witch of Endor summons the dead prophet Samuel's spirit.
Samuel, although dead, is clearly aware of the situation with Saul and prophesies Saul's death in battle the next day along with his sons.
Samuel's spirit is, therefore, still existent despite his body having perished, and he clearly states Saul will be with him. Since he wasn't referring to Maui we can assume he means in an afterlife beyond this existence.
The writer to the Hebrews writes about us being surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses - and since the letter is written specifically to Jewish converts to Christianity it would speak directly to their beliefs and understanding regarding life after death.
Jesus Himself seemed to believe in Life after Death as He promised the repentant thief on the cross next to His own they would be together in Paradise.
Jesus also referred to His Father's House and going to prepare a place for us in John chapters 14-16
Context is everything in biblical studies. In context, the entire Bible, all 66 books contained therein, speak clearly of nothing but God's plan to redeem mankind and all creation to restore it in Eternal AND everlasting Life - the two are very different - with Him after this world has suffered death brought about by Sin.
But by all means pick individual verses out of context to suit your views. The Sadducees believed as you do. Jesus rebuked them every encounter.
Just one question: doesn't the thought of oblivion make trying to do anything in this life pointless? A thousand years from now who's going to care about 99.99% of us? Who worries about the life of Alexander the Great's chief eunuch? Or King David's other wives and children?
Christ made it clear that the life of a sparrow is precious to God, how much more the life of His Children must be. After all, Christ would still have gone through the Cross if I was the only person in history that would accept His sacrifice on my behalf.
Enjoy your cherry picking of scripture. I'm sure the Confederate States would appreciate it.
as you see in the name of the chapters, the bible is not a textbook. the bible is a collection of peoples opinions and of stories that they heard of or that they claim happened. nothing that is written in this book was written under the obligation of speaking the truth or to do due research about what you are saying.
it's a big collection of hearsay legends and stories that should not be taken very seriously.
I have no idea what bible you're reading cause if that was true Jesus wouldn't of bothered to die on the cross for sinners to have a chance to enter the kingdom of heaven. He wouldn't of told the theif next to Him that he would join Him in paradise once they died. He also wouldn't of told us that heaven has many of rooms in his Father's kingdom for the saved/believers. He also wouldn't of said "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, so who ever believes would not perish (aka eternal damnation in hell) but have everlasting life (eternity with God, the son and the holy spirit)". I think you are highly confused or deceived.
The dead don't know anything once they LEAVE earth. Once you die you you will have no knowledge of time or things that take place here on earth among the living cause your time is already up. There are people from 6th or 12th century in hell that have no idea how much time has past. For all they know it's still in their time but what they do know is that they have been in that place for a very long time.
Plus the Jews at the time completely rejected Jesus even though they were told about His coming cause they could not give up their old traditions and laws.
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Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
(That one is especially for you. Ell oh ell!)
There is a great deal if scripture about Heaven, how to get there, who goes there, how, when and why. Not sure what your angle is, but you’re either grossly mistaken or lying outright. Either way, what’s it to you what other people believe?
Therefore anyone who sets
aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. 16 ‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them,’nor any scorching heat. 17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’ ”
The old testament is pretty much Jewish in origin. New Testament... a conglomerate of Egyptian to Norwegian beliefs where the term "hell" comes from... what do you expect? The tale of Jesus was basically a retelling of that Egyptian guy and heaven and hell were basically a retelling of both Nords and the people that picked and chose which books to include in the new testament... the Romans. Pretty sure they edited that shit as well. Books that were not included made Jesus as a child to be pretty fucking evil. Wonder why they left that shit out of their final production?
Humans were about as intelligent as we are now... and we have a bunch of dumbasses that don't know shit about Hunter Biden's laptops where he jerks off and does drugs, Ashley Biden's diary where she's molested and takes showers with Dad, or even the blatant Russia collusion stuff that was Biden on video and Trump was only implicated because he asked about it. Same shit with Project Veritas and the raids also on trump's place.
These people are dumb (the general public)... history will be written by those that control the narrative. I'm pretty black-pilled from what I know and what I see people believe... so I say the future is going to be a bunch of bullshit. Just like all the bullshit before.
So in short yes you're right... according to Jews there is no afterlife. Try to convince some Christian nutt job of that though and it will be just as difficult as convincing someone with TDS to think otherwise. They've already bought the propaganda created by Romans so many years back. You won't convince those that don't have the knowledge about it at all and go based on belief alone. Belief they don't like being questioned in the first place.
4 ¶ For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
.5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
4 - Hope Continues with life pr1107, la0339.
5 - Dead know nothing This is a key principle. Death is like an unconscious sleep while awaiting the resurrection. See the story of Lazarus. Jn1111.
Meaning:
5 - No more reward They are not enjoying a reward now. Jesus is coming to reward everyone depending on their behavior. This is not at death. It is when he returns re2212, 1th415.
.6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Love, hatred, envy, gone Further evidence that the text refers to the unconscious state.
No more portion Spiritualistic appearances are more and more common. This verse helps protect us from this kind of deception. So how do loved ones or so-called saints appear? Satan appeared to Christ as an angel. Paul referred to the principle, too 2co1114. The unseen beings who were cast out with Satan help bring about many miracles – even good ones re1313. They appear as spirits or real people. Having known people who have died, they can easily imitate them.
Forever Will the dead live again? Yes, Jn0528, Forever, in the Bible, does not mean what it does in modern English, re2010b-co.
ref The BibleExplained. com
I'm agnostic, but I'm interested and still learning!
As far as I know,
The Old Testament (OT) seems more literal,
and the New Testament (NT) appears to be more symbolic.
Which makes sense as these were very different time periods and cultures, right? And it could explain why there might be some "contradictions" that might actually just be misinterpretations.
There is no afterlife...
Especially if you read what happened to Lazarus in the OT.
Likewise, as far as the NT goes, there is no "Hell" in which the wicked go to suffer. It is just a grave. There's frequent use of *fire* and *eternal burning.* Fire is used symbolically because fire is a good analogy to describe complete destruction. Also note that "sulfur" or "brimstone" is also thrown in to describe continuous burning until there's nothing left to burn.
Fire boils water to nothing,
Fire burns wood to nothing,
Fire burns bones to nothing,
Fire burns every living organism to nothing.
So what does it mean when the Bible says something is burning forever? It could just mean a place that is *forever* completely devoid of life, where nothing can survive.
Ah crap. The Lazarus story was NT.
Sorry, still learning! hahaha
I'm agnostic but the idea of afterlife is the essence of Christianity and the essential conceptual difference between Christianity and Judaism, you know the religion that gave us the old testament, is that according to the jews the king of Israel, the son of god would show up and lead the Israelis to unprecedented victories through force and wars, which is why they don't believe that Jesus was the god the prophecy was about, meanwhile Christians' argument is that the son of God would make no sin therefore not be a warmongering Caesar, but instead the savior who'd die to save us from our sins so we'd reach heaven in the afterlife, that's literally it that's literally the difference between the 2 religions... I don't believe either if you ask me but that isn't a logical assessment of the situation
You have to read the whole Bible so that you understand contextual criticism. Firstly, “under the sun refers to earthly things or earthly treasures”.
That passage from Solomon is referencing those who are unsaved as not having any knowledge of heavenly portion. And that their earthly portion, whether things, knowledge, etc, dies when the lost dies and are not known in the grave.
The unbelievers have lived their “best life” on the earth without a knowing of God and His heavenly portion. Those in that passage that have pursued the things “under the sun” and not heavenly portions suffer in eternal hell…. You know, HELL 🔥 as laid out in the Bible 😎
Interesting topic, but whatever answer in that field will largely depend on level of understanding and intelligence of prospecting, searching or meditating individuals.
Taken literally the significance of the text seems rather obvious, but as far as I understand, notions as heaven and hell are means to help apprehend the difficulties of understanding life, death, destiny, grief, joy, etc. Just try to grasp this: when we are in full joy, and suddenly some event pulls us down into deep grief, we actually pass from heaven to hell, passing from one emotion into another, which can be considered a form of reincarnation.
In my opinion, the promise of heaven when doing good works is a way to tell you'll feel happy, while doing something very bad will take you down to hell, make you feel unhappy. You get probably the idea, still keeping in mind there are many different interpretations possible.
u Jesus spoke often of the "Kingdom of Heaven". On the Cross, He told the good thief that he would be with Him that day in Paradise, so yes, there is afterlife according to Christianity.
As to why one would want to get to it? Because Christians believe that God is sublime beauty and holiness. Why wouldn't we want to spend eternity with Him?
Because, like politics, it's not about truth, even to the extent the bible can be questioned - once their beliefs are "cemented", they don't want to risk their ego being "wrong". only to be told they're so brilliant, smart, correct, and all the "non-believers" who don't think EXACTLY like them are fundamentally flawed.
That scripture that you included does not clearly state what you state that it clearly state. The words “there is no afterlife” are not found there in that passage……. 🤷🏽
Also, you might consider learning to discern context. Many verses make no sense and/or appear contradictory until you look at the broader context.
In other words, it sound like you’ve got some more due diligence to do.
Moving on.
Get your head out your ass, kiddo, and learn to read properly.
Those verses speak of the dead flesh, and not the Afterlife.
Also all of what you read there translates very differently in the original Greek and Hebrew as well.
You should have stayed in school, kiddo.
I think that this is a little out of context.
To ''live'' and to be ''dead'' -in other places of the Bible text- are mentioned in a somewhat relative way.
I see the ''Bible'' as a (incomplete) collection of individual reports, interpretations and poetry. Add some Jewish ancestry propaganda, if you wish to.
We can’t prove there is an afterlife and we can’t prove that there isn’t. Inside our meat sack vessels we have limited perspective and it behooves us to just admit “we don’t know”. However if religion gives you comfort in your meatsack and leads you to live a more productive, happy life what is the harm. In short believe what makes you comfortable during your limited time on this rock.
Actually Christianity is based on the New testament - Judaism is based on the Old testament personally I have no idea what happens when we die and I agree with you that existing for eternity is a mighty long time heaven better be packed with a lot of attractions and things to do LOL
No, it doesn't. This is simply speaking of the death of the physical body.
Disagree? Try Daniel 12:2
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
That's one of the great clues as to what's really going on in the Bible. Why would the OT tell us that there's nothing after life, but Christ says we can get to heaven through Him? What changed God's mind from one time period to the next? Or was it a different god? If it was a different god, which entity would want to usurp God's title and deny humanity access to His kingdom?
Jesus said I go now and prepare mansions for you , if it was not true I would tell you not. So, we have mansions waiting and a feast . You better read the whole bible , not one verse that you think you can misrepresent to spew your hatred of Christians.
Lol.. you are talking about a book that someone made up to try and keep people in line and gain power. None of it is real. Whatever happens after we die, it has nothing to do with any made up religion on Earth.
If there's no such thing as an afterlife, then why should Christians worry about sin? According to them, what you do in this life affects what happens after death.
We have to know what kind of Bible you got your information from. I can tell it is not from the King James bible, which is the bible that Christian's learn from.
So, tell us what bible you are using please.
You've taken one single verse and wholly misinterpreted it, calm down.
Certainly. The quote doesn't even say "there is no afterlife". It says that none of our wordlily toil and striving follows us to the grave, the author here is just concluding that without God nothing has meaning which you would know if you actually read through the book and not just cherry picked a verse out of context.
OT further mentions the afterlife countless times. On how the poor man and the wealthy ended up in Abraham's bosom (their name for the dimension) and in hell respectively. And NT is riddled with verses on Heaven, eternal life and life on the New Earth which God will make at the end of days. Jesus also mentions "the coming age" as in God's kingdom many times. He even rebukes the Saduccees who claimed what you're claiming and told them as much; they had understood neither the Old Testament nor God's power.
So if it is mentions of Afterlife you're after there is no shortage trust me. I can quote them directly should you wish it. Otherwise I encourage you to read for yourself.
I see that many others have corrected on this as well already in the comments. So I hope you take a look at that and do not just ignore it.
Oh, come now; you can't play the "quote scripture" game and half-ass it like that. John 14:2,3, and 4, just to start.
Because they're all delusional "brainwashed" fools.
John 5:24
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24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."
The Bible is full of contradictions, and apparent contradictions.
Yes, the dead know nothing and there is no work for the dead. Because the dead are waiting for the Judgement day.
😈🤘religulous
I don't know why everyone whose non believers or believers think they have the answers at the end of the day nobody can prove if theirs after life or a heaven or hell. We will only believe what we believe.
Dante's Divine Trilogy, it's also where they get their concept of hell.
But, without the unverifiable promise of riches in the afterlife, they can't convince people to give them their worldly possessions.
A woman once told me, “Somalians are brave, they die once not twice”
some people wanna die twice? 🤷🏽♂️
I've never read the Bible and I probably should but can you tell me exactly what it says
The Christian Bible has been edited over 400 times to suit whoever was in charge. The King James version is a heavily edited bullshit sham of a Bible. It's all a sham anyways
The dead don't know anything NOW, but Jesus promised us to live together with him after the judgement where the dead will resurrect and fuck lots of hot chicks
Oh boy. Another person with an axe to grind against Christians. 🙄
Now do Jews and Muslims 👍
That is why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for sin which we could never pay, allowing those who believe to have everlasting life through Jesus... Our sins are forgiven.
Your soul is energy and energy never dies. It can chamge forms but you can't stop it from existing
They're just scared of the fact that death is the absolute end and made something up
Then you need to get out there and tell everyone what they're doing wrong.
That's what religion is, by the way...
Lol. No after life? What bible you been reading? Lol.
I don't need you to doubt your claim. I don't care what you believe, and therefore I wasn't arguing. I laughed, and asked what bible you are reading. Lol. Seems like you want to start a fight.
Though, if you would like an understanding of the bible verse you provided to the scope of the whole thing? I could explain it. If you want to understand or to know. If you want to fight. I won't do that. I will help you understand what you are reading though.
It must not have the word “holy” in the title. Little things like are VERY SUS. Look out or Lightning McQueen Willa pull of your skin
Because you need a carrot and a stick to get people to do your bidding.
The Bible is full of contradictions which makes hyper religious people so hypocritical
It probably doesn't matter what this book says
i think a lot ofpeople were raise catholic and thats what they believe
Where did you get that
@AndrésC64 He? Damn, now I'm "gender-confused", LOL :D
Oh I didn’t know that
Maybe it is wrong
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