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I want to add clarity that not all Christians accept this behavior. As a Christian, judging by the sentences in the photo, I believe this act is excessive and unnecessary. I also find it sinful. According to the bible, yes, it's a sin to be gay but it doesn't mean people in the LGBTQ community are going to hell. After all, the most commonly portrayed bible verse states is John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only begotten son that whoever so believes in him, shall not perish but have eternal life." This verse states hope for not only the believers in Christ, but the non-believers too. Because Jesus died on the cross, he saved us so the wages of sin no longer brings death upon us so you can still be gay and be a Christian. The only thing you have to do is believe Jesus died on the cross, and love and accept that Jesus is our savior. This actually made me sad seeing this because it even states in scripture that we are supposed to show love towards our enemies, not judgement and this is the definition of judgement. Only God has the right to judge. It doesn't matter who you are, it's your heart that matters.
Luke 6:37:
“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
John 15:12:
“My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.”
Love is the key to bringing people to christ but if you're judging, you are not fulfilling this purpose. The world is broken and no one is perfect, and it's a matter of accepting the fact that you cannot go a day without sinning, God is sinless, and if the wages of sin is death than I say he's quite the Savior. Before you decide to listen to a preacher, know that they aren't perfect too; therefore, use the bible itself as a true reference.
"Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples." John 13:35
Jesus spoke to not just people of moral, he also sat by the tax collectors and by showing love, he preached to them. This is an example of good discipleship. So please, if you are a Christian, remember to love. You're brought on this earth to share this hope, not kill it.
Also if you are the type of Christian who believes a single sin will put someone to hell read John 3:16 and stop judging people, cause the acts in this photo are just evil. Read ACTUAL scripture. You may also find relief knowing you don't have to try that hard. Whoever you may be and whatever you are going through, just know that with God by your side, everything is going to be alright. I'll stop here, I'm no preacher.
Yes indeed.
We have zero right to judge people who sin, because were were once sinners too. And sometimes we are tempted to sin, and sometimes we do still sin. Only through the unfathomable grace and mercy of God are we given redemption and forgivness upon repentance.
I am 100% guilty, but I plead the blood of Jesus.
Our job is to love the people around us with the love of God. Not to spread hate and dissent.
@field
The basic premise of what you’re saying is correct. However I think you’re mistaken about a few things.
All you have to do is believe? Yes. And then the byproduct of salvation is a changed heart that results in obedience.
“For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”
James 2:26 NASB2020
“By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;”
1 John 2:3-4 NASB2020
Christ must be lord and savior, not only savior.
One obeys their lord.
That comes from a regeneration of the heart resulting in changed behavior.
No change of heart = no salvation.
“We know that no one who has been born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.”
1 John 5:18 NASB2020
The above does not mean the Christian can’t sin, but that thy don’t live in willful, intentional sin because they cannot. God lives in them. The Holy Spirit will cause conviction, and if one is born again, they will repent because Jesus is their Lord.
As for the unrepentant homosexual, certainly they are on their way to Hell, along with those who are straight and fornicate. Both are on the road to Hell if they will not repent. We should tell people the truth and that is the truth, however there is no grounds to call them fags as in the picture attached to this question. That is wrong.
A single sin IS all that is needed to separate someone from God for eternity. You cannot keep willingly practicing sin and claim the blood of Jesus. Forgiveness of sins without repentance is not possible.
@Exterminatore
You make a valid point; and I agree. However, I simply wanted to emphasize the fact that there is hope because there are many Christians under the pressure of believing they need to be sinless when they can't. By means of saying "nobody is perfect" I didn't mean to say do whatever you want and blatantly sin, what I implied is you don't have to worry so much because he's a forgiving God. And if you love him enough, you will have the willingness to follow in his footsteps. And if you truly love God, it makes repentance real and where you actually mean it. What I was emphasizing in my last comment had to do with the fact that the things you do, don't define you as a Christian (such as giving to the poor and trying so hard not to sin). By means of saying "all you have to do is believe" is the simple way of getting to the thesis of my comment. Repentance is a whole other paragraph. I didn't want my response to be a learning session but more of an eye opener that the things implied in the photo aren't of God and there is still a chance for non-believers to turn to Christ. And by turning people to Christ, we do what Jesus did, show them love and not judgement. My apologies for the lack of clarity it was 4 am when I wrote it and frankly, when I woke up the next morning, I regretted sending it as soon as I noticed it can't be edited or deleted. Grammatical errors but I guess lack of clarity to 😂
@Daniela1982
That is true; however, sin is unavoidable unless you are as perfect as God himself (which is impossible). As mentioned I in one of my replies, by means of saying nobody is perfect, I don't mean to say do whatever you want and blatantly sin, what I implied is you don't have to worry so much because he's a forgiving God. And if you love him enough, you will have willingness to follow in his footsteps. And if you truly love God, it makes repentance real and where you actually mean it. Good works don't matter when your heart is in the wrong place. And in that photo, their hearts are DEFINITELY not in the right place.
Anyway, you all make good points and your opinions are well appreciated. It's actually nice talking with other Christians again.
@field
No worries. Your heart is in the right place.
I just wanted to add that because I have noticed many churches and people spread the gospel, but often don’t paint the right picture. They often leave people with the impression that all you gotta do is believe and say the “sinners prayer” and your saved. Is that true? Yes. But they never mention there must be repentance from sin. That faith without a general pattern of obedience is dead. That no one can be born again and remain the same. That they cannot go about with an unchanged life. That salvation always produces a change of heart which results in a change of behavior.
We also don’t mention that it’s not merely a change of behavior. One can certify change their ways with no change of heart. We don’t tell them the disposition of the heart must change. That comes from God alone and results in changed behavior.
So in all this we have I think many people who are self deceived. They think they’re saved. They’ve said the prayer and believe in Jesus. But it has not been communicated to them they must surrender their life and will to God. They must no longer live for their desires, but those of God. That they must go forth with their faith and live it out. That the result of salvation is a general pattern of obedience in one’s life.
You are right to say in essence, we don’t need to worry about sin as we are under grace and the price Christ paid continually cleanses us. If we sin, we can boldly go to God for forgiveness. Yet, walking in obedience must be a major concern for the Christian. We are to peruse sanctification and holiness. We will never be perfect this side of the grave, but we are to strive to be obedient as possible, taking it very seriously.
I think my main point here was not so much refuting or correcting what you said, but adding to it in the hopes someone will read this and examine themselves. I think there are many who think they belong to God but do not.
@filed
It is good to talk to other Christians. We are a family in Christ. Brother and sister in the Lord.
Anyway, I think your heart is in the right place and the premise of your message is correct. As stated, I worry about the spiritual condition of many Christians.
“A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits.”
Matthew 7:18-20 NASB2020
As Christians we are never to render the final judgment on a person in regards to salvation. That is for the Lord alone, but we are called to be fruit inspectors.
““Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’”
Matthew 7:21-23 NASB2020
I can think of little else more terrifying than the above. To go to judgment via heaven. These people are clearly surprised at the sentence.
I could be wrong but as I understand saving faith it is not only believing Jesus is who he said he was and that he is the atonement for our sins. It’s also acting on that faith. It’s knowing we will never be perfect on this earth, but we are to strive for it anyway. It’s the faith to act in obedience to the Lord, knowing we have been forgiven, that our sins are paid for, but from that point forward seeking to sin as little as possible and obey as much as possible despite our fallen nature and despite no limitation on grace. It’s the freedom to chose righteousness over sin with the expectation we will exercise this freedom.
I just hope everyone examines themselves and sees to it they don’t deceive themselves.
I have never been to a church that taught people to mistreat the LGBT community. I’ve never been to a church that teaches people to hate them either. The church disagrees with the act of homosexuality. The church disagrees with the transgender community. Disagreeing is not the same thing as hate. Being concerned with peoples’ salvation, when you strongly believe in the existence of both Heaven and Hell, is not hateful.
Those who practice violence and hatred, and teach others to do the same, do not belong to Christ. Any place that claims to be a church, and yet teaches violence and hatred, does not know Christ and is not a true church.
I belong to Christ, and will not apologize for bearing the name “Christian”. I will not apologize for neither agreeing nor supporting the LGBT community. I will not apologize for believing in the existence of Hell and wanting people to come to salvation so that they may escape the fire. I will not apologize for believing in a loving God, who through divine inspiration, provided a Holy text with instructions on how to live in this world. I will not apologize for believing in a Savior who shed His blood on a cross, though He had done no wrong, so that I and anyone else who believes in Him may have eternal life and escape the eternal flames.
Well said.
I think yes, we need to. As christians, we were sinners once. We were all wretches once. We absolutely have no right to judge other people.
John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Note how God loves THE WORLD. He does not selectively love christians only. He does not selectively love straight people only. God loves ALL. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US. And that includes every single member of the LGBTQ community.
Now I'm not saying that God approves of LGBTQ. In fact, it is sin, and God hates it. But God still loves sinners. What I am saying is, the church, and christians in general, need to stop hating the LGBTQ community, and as ambassadors of God, we should love the people around us not with our own conscience and morals, but with the LOVE FROM GOD.
Remember the story of Jonah? He hated the people of the city called Nineveh, because they were wicked and sinful, rotten to the core! But God still sent Jonah to minister to them, even with how much Jonah hated them. Why? Because GOD STILL LOVED THEM.
So we christians have no right to hate on the LGBTQ community, or people in general that we think do not follow the rules and guidelines of the bible. We ourself fall short of being sin-less every single time, and only by the grace and mercy of God who sent His Son Jesus, are our sins washed clean.
Matthew 22:39 commands all believers to "love your neighbour as yourself". Did Jesus specify who your neighbour had to be? No! Did Jesus say, love your neighbour as yourself only if they were straight, or only if they were also christian? No! He told us to love our neighbour like we would love ourselves, and that means everyone around us. LGBTQ included.
You are misapplying these scriptures.
“The boastful will not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do injustice.”
Psalms 5:5 NASB2020
God said he hates all workers of iniquity there. God hates both sin and sinner.
It says he God won’t even hear the prayer of the willful sinner:
“If I regard wickedness in my heart, The Lord will not hear;”
Psalms 66:18 NASB2020
In regards to judging, we are to judge:
“Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to form the smallest law courts? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?”
1 Corinthians 6:2-3 NASB2020
As it states there that one day the Christian will judge angles, how much not more in the church?
Judge not lest you be judged is referring to the final judgment. Leaving it for God to choose who will be saved and not. It does not mean not defining sin, nor failing to call it out, nor defining someone’s actions as sinful, nor does it mean to not state certain behavior is wrong.
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,”
Romans 1:18 NASB2020
God’s wrath is revealed constantly on the unrepentant sinner.
In regards to John 3:16, world there does not mean everyone, but rather those who are in Christ wherever they may be. So, no, God does not love the members of LGBT. In fact they are at enmity with him and vessels ready for judgment if they don’t repent.
God selectively loves Christians:
“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.”
John 8:44 NASB2020
One is either with God or against him. No in-betweens.
I can assure you that God does not love the devils children. He will judge them one day and execute judgment on them if they don’t repent.
“What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with great patience objects of wrath prepared for destruction?”
Romans 9:22 NASB2020
Note above some “objects” meaning people were and are prepared for wrath.
But others:
“So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.”
Romans 9:18 NASB2020
Make no mistake, God hates all those in rebellion to him. He will judge those who die in their sins and will eternally punish them.
“Just as it is written: “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.””
Romans 9:13 NASB2020
“For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I have mercy, and I will show compassion to whomever I show compassion.””
Romans 9:15 NASB2020
“But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, so that I may multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt.”
Exodus 7:3 NASB2020
https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-gay-rights-ap-interview-1359756ae22f27f87c1d4d6b9c8ce212
The Christian church isn't a church when you're all arguing of who's the real Christian. So first and foremost deal with your own issues secondly the Pope from the Catholic church that has 1.3 billion followers had something to say. Forget about apologies and just be nice to all of God's children. We're all sinners. Pray for each other if you want to just be nice for the love of it all.
Quote from the Pope in the article I linked
Pope Francis criticized laws that criminalize homosexuality as “unjust,” saying God loves all his children just as they are and called on Catholic bishops who support the laws to welcome LGBTQ people into the church.
“Being homosexual isn’t a crime,” Francis said during an exclusive interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.
@smølf I'm not religious I was just expressing the head of 1.3 billion Christians thinks you should be nicer and accept all of God's children.
But since you can't Google things for yourself here is what the pope said about pedophiles
amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/.../pope-francis-ends-pontifical-secrecy-rule-child-sexual-abuse-catholic-church
www.npr.org/.../pope-expresses-shame-at-scale-of-clergy-abuse-in-france
www.ncronline.org/.../canada-pope-francis-apologizes-evil-sex-abuse-vows-never-again
Pope Widens Church Law to Target Sexual Abuse of Adults by Priests and Laity https://nyti.ms/3fBBuDt
I can't read the articles for you however. Again I was answering the question asked and answered it based on what the head of 1.3 billion Christians feels on the matter. Any more stupid questions?
@Friendlybro79 Does not matter when what they say and what they do doesn't correspond.
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When have the sicko perverts and butt pirates ever apologized for burning homes, bombing garages, raping kids, vandalizing church basements with biological waste, corrupting courtrooms, doxxing opponents, beheading kids, visiting Epstein, blackmailing districts, mailing obscenity to parents of small children to harass them over alleged Christianity, etc? When have they ever come forward and said: "Maybe if we truly wish to live and let live, we should do the same, and not pretend like tolerance is a one way street?"
There are a few who don't go out of their way to bother anyone. And then you have Marxist lunatics and rabid foam at the mouth narcissists, who merely hide behind a rainbow flag to get in less trouble as they tear society apart, insisting their spear is a shield.
Until they at least repent of letting Obama use them to justify malicious destruction of families and businesses, and demand severe penalties for dirty judges who robbed families and businesses into bankruptcy barrels over nonsense while invoking the name of gay sex as an excuse, then I don't concede anything.
The Klein family should be reimbursed four times what was stolen from them in Oregon. The judge that tried to bankrupt them should dangle from a noose until his tongue does that thing Jaaba the Hutt's did!
Until NHL players can play hockey again in peace, without the Gay Inquisition demanding they bow before the idols of poo dick, then I say let the clowns be offended, and never stop!
I’d like to start off by saying that not all Christian’s are like this. I myself am a Christian and know a lot of Christian’s who see the way that those people in those photos act as really bad and disrespectful and are ashamed. Christian’s should be preaching and showing love to everyone, as that’s what the Bible teaches us. The Bible says to love thy neighbor, meaning to love everyone. Not just this person or that person, but everyone. You can’t be doing that if you’re always telling people they’re going to Hell and not being supportive of them. The way I see it, people in the LGBTQ+ community are created the way they are because God made them that way and who are we to judge? God makes no mistakes. He is almighty and powerful. He makes everyone in His image, and that includes people of the LGBTQ+ community.
Do I think the people who are/have been hateful towards the LGBTQ+ community should apologize? Yes. But do I think that all Christian’s should have to apologize because there’s some bad apples? No.
I’d respectfully disagree. Scripture states there is no salvation for the unrepentant homosexual, nor for any unrepentant sinner.
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASB2020
Love would constitute warning them of their fate if they do not repent, but reminding them mercy is available if they do repent.
If you were on your way to Hell, wouldn’t you want someone to warn you? Or should they remain silent so as not to offend you and not been seen as unloving, letting you stroll down the path to destruction.
Certainly there is no place for venomous language, slander, violence, hatred or otherwise against any sinner, including the homosexual, as all of that is sin itself. We are however to act as ambassadors from Christ, telling them the truth in love, giving them the whole gospel, the whole truth, in the spirit of love and wanting them to turn from sin and to salvation. If this message be offensive, then so be it. It’s no different a message than to be given to all sinners. I heard the message. I heard I was on the way to Hell, and not in right standing with God. So I repented. I now have mercy and forgiveness, however there is no mercy for the unrepentant.
We must be careful not to let the cultures views on homosexuality influence our own. We all must speak the truth in love, us being sinners ourself, and acknowledging we are no better than any other sinner. We’re just saved sinners who should desire the same for others if we have any real love in us.
@Exterminatore the thing is, we’re all sinners and all deserving of going to Hell, every single one of us, so who are we to judge? The people who are holding up these signs and standing on these streets are screaming at people. That’s not how you lead people to God, that’s how you scare them away.
I’d go even further and say calling gays faggots is in fact sin and reprehensible.
None the less, scripture is clear on this issue. If I tell you what it says, I’m not judging anyone. I’m telling what God has decreed. Anyone who doesn’t like God’s ordinances can take it up with him. I didn’t write the Bible, I just carry the message.
We are all sinners and all deserve He’ll. This is true. We are to judge sinners in the church:
“Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to form the smallest law courts? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church?”
1 Corinthians 6:1-4 NASB2020
Judging would imply pronouncing judgment and doing so from a position of authority, not telling people they are sinning and are on the path to Hell because of it.
God has no interest in social justice or for peoples offended feelings. He says what he says. It’s not mistreating people, it’s telling them the truth and sometimes the truth hurts.
Do you have a husband? What I’d you did and he committed adultery against you? Better not tell him he’s a sinner. You’d be judging. And what of the murderer? Shall we not tell them their deeds are evil on account of “not judging.”
Judging in that set of scriptures is not discerning behavior and motives even. It is referring to putting yourself in a position of authority and playing the judge. This judging is usually of a harsh and critical tone. Likewise it is for the Lord to say who is saved and not. We are not to judge in that either, but we are called to be fruit inspectors.
““Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.”
Matthew 7:15-17 NASB2020
In the above, what Jesus said, doesn’t it require you to judge? To inspect the fruit in the life of the person in question?
Therefore Judge here does not mean how you are applying it:
““Do not judge, so that you will not be judged.”
Matthew 7:1 NASB2020
@Exterminatore excuse me? What the hell did you just call them? That is NOT OK. You don’t get to say that word. You need to apologize right now! You don’t get to call someone a slur and get away with it, especially not in front of me. Not only is that not Christian like, but that’s highly offensive.
@Exterminatore given that you just called people in the LGBTQ+ community a slur, I’m not taking anything you say seriously. It’s 2023, you don’t get to call people that unless you yourself are apart of the LGBTQ community. I don’t give a shit who you are or what your religion is, you don’t get to call someone a slur and get away with it, not in front of me. You’re spewing of homophobic bullshit is exactly why Christian’s get a bad rep.
@Exterminatore I just realized I read it wrong and I would like to apologize for going off on you.
Haha. No worries. I’ve done that before. Lol
I see no reason to apologize to the alphabet people. Why should we?
Hell, they love who they are and aren't afraid to go up against anyone. From what I understand, they keep fighting for their rights. So, it's their fight to fight. They know they are sining and they have made their choice to live their own way. I think we shouldn't really care what they do, cause they don't.
This reminds of when Obama and then Vice President Biden went to Japan and apologized for bombing their people during the war. I wonder if they apologized for bombing Pearl Harbor and killing American soldiers?
Really, the church need not apologize for what the alphabet people choose to do with their lives. God us watching all of us. It's about choice. We each choose to be Christlike or not to follow God. That is what God is waiting for in each of us - our choice.
That’s not really answering the question is though. The QA is asking if the church should apologize for THE WAY LGBTQ+ PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TREATED.
You said, I quote, “the church need not to apologize for what alphabet people choose to do with their lives”
Which is different than apologizing for how they have been treated by members of the church. Which is what the question is being asked.
By switching it and saying that around, you’re making the statement about you. Like the LGBTQ+ people owe you some kind of apology for you to deliver their apology to god.
How about you answer the question that was asked in the first place? That way I didn’t have a need to reply
The only person who has a hard time reading is you 😆 you clearly didn’t understand the question or my first reply
You’re not reading my very first comment either. Don’t get angry when someone calls you out for not answering a question on a public website where answering questions is the whole point.
@snowboarder720 You asked "That’s not really answering the question is though. The QA is asking if the church should apologize for THE WAY LGBTQ+ PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TREATED."
@sage2021 answered "I see no reason to apologize to the alphabet people. Why should we?"
You do have an answer, and you had it all long.
Nope, that’s not what she answered lol. You’re hard of reading.
She answered, I re-quote, “the church need not to apologize for what alphabet people choose to do with their lives”.
That’s entirely different than what the question is being asked.
Literally saying non sense at this point 😆
Interesting assumption. I didn’t mean to come across aggressive. That wasn’t my intent. For that I apologize.
The misconception is that Christians / the church hate gays. They don't hate gays per se, but they do hate the sin, as does God. No one is judged in the end by doing right, you get judged for doing wrong. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Of course this was talking about practicing homosexuals. It does not say in the Bible that repenting homosexuals can not go to Heaven. But being saved does require repentance - changing your thoughts and actions away from sin.
Nope. In my experience, it is mostly the LGBT community that seems to act very aggressively towards Christians. I know few Christians who are judgmental againts them but if you practise something that is deemed wrong by the society/religions, you are gonna get judged by anyone so why would Christians need to apologize.
I'm a Christian i can say one thing for sure.
Bullying others is not part of the Bible.
Nor is judging others as to where they will end up and if they have sinned.
Only god can judge who goes to heaven, and who goes to hell and who has sinned, and it states anyone who does that will have to answer to God when they die.
So no true Christian do not need to apologize to the lgbt community, but the pretend Christians who harrass them should, and it's best they ask god for forgiveness or they will be chillin with the devil when they die
They don't need to apologize, regardless of which church you are referring to.
I'm not even sure what they've done to need to apologize, or how recent you are referring to. Are you referring to the middle ages when they perhaps were executed by the church? or something more recent?
If far in the past, they definitely don't need to apologize for ancient history, if all they've done is not allowed them to become members or work for them, no apology for that.
Not sure why anyone would want to work for a religious organization or convert to it, if the very life style you are living is against their teachings.
I can't say though without specific examples and even then, they wouldn't need to apologize to all of them, but maybe those specific people in a case by case situation.
Besides, most religions are ran by imperfect people and just because some screw up doesn't mean they are all screw ups.
The Catholic institution needs to apologize for all the abuse and murder they have done. Bunch of devils.
The Catholic Church is not a Christian organization. They are anything but.
"Not sure why anyone would want to work for a religious organization or convert to it, if the very life style you are living is against their teachings."
Exactly! That's a very good point. If the organisation you wish to join doesn't accept people like you, for whatever reason, just join some other group or form your own.
I think no one owes anyone an apology but every group DOES need to start minding their own business. If they dont like gays, dont be one. If people dont like Christians, become a Mormon. If you dont like the president, get out and vote. And so on... But all the picketing and bitching about a group your not even part of is ridiculous and petty unless somehow they are personally affecting your life negatively, other than that, leave people alone if they dont share your beliefs or opinions. Walk away. Get a life
I would say in the above picture, calling gays fags would be worthy of an apology. No need to be insulting. We are to deliver the gospel in its entirety and in truth, but not with name calling.
As far as calling homosexuality a sin, or for telling people who won’t repent of that they’re on their way to Hell? No apology. Scripture is clear God defines homosexuality as an abomination and sin. We are to speak the truth, and do so in love. I am outraged at the homosexual culture here in America, but there is no need to use venomous speech or name call.
Should the LGBT community apologize for those times they physically assault a preacher, threaten physical violence, etc? I know a ministry that specializes in helping people whom are same sex attracted give it up... they have to keep their headquarters silent because LGBT people threaten their lives everyday and threaten to destroy wherever they are headquartered.
Depending on your answer it'll influence what I say about the church apologizing.
First of all, which Christian church? There are so many of them. Secondly, and as someone else has already pointed out, will we get a similar "apology" from Islam, a religion that has treated the LGBTXYZABC etc. crowd even worse?
Anyway, the short answer is no, it's not going to happen.
So “standing by the bible” in your mind means doing whatever the h*ll you want that offends innocent people who have nothing to do with you?
What makes you think hating on others won’t give you a one-way ticket across the hot rivers with the ferryman?
Does your copy of the bible have a small print excluding that?
“Love thy neighbor.”
It wasn't so long ago that they were burning/drowning wen who MIGHT have been witches, in all corners of the globe.
Slavery is acceptable in the Bible, Torah and Quran.
So is rape...
I mean if all off those people and groups didn't get an apology, do you really think the LGBT group will get one?
Also they're not wrong. The Abrahamic god of mesopotamia made it very clear that he doesn't like it when people don't go forth and multiply.
If A person hurts another person, and the requisite recognition and sympathy exists, there should be an apology and amends. But whole groups of people don’t owe other whole groups of people apologies. That’s not how the world works. It never has and it never will.
The irony is that one side of that equation is generally extremely liberal left, and supposedly hates those kinds of gross generalizations…. supposedly. Ell oh ell! That is until they perceive sociopolitical leverage, it appears.
Nope. No church should apologize for what? Maybe they just don't like them. Maybe they have had to deal with a local militant group of gay people?
It was better when the rainbow people had their place in society. Not all open throughout the community. Had their own side of town to do whatever they want in peace. Now they are downtown in almost every town talking to your kids about the joys of being gay. It's not cool.
If the Christians sin against their neighbors, sure.
If they don’t have proof of it being sinful and unchristlike they don’t have to, and would be protected by free speech.
No one’s emotions are protected by free speech.
(I’m also, completely, a neutral and indifferent party to these two groups.)
Should vegetarians apologize to meat eaters? Like, how fragile are the homos that they need to be validated by everybody in the universe, at all times, no matter what they choose to do?
WOW, your speedo and butterfly wings are SO COOL! You're SO BRAVE!
If the church wants to apologize they can.
i however am not going to apologize for anything as I harbor no hate towards gay people and have done nothing wrong towards them.
I don’t agree with their lifestyle but at the end of the day that’s their choice to make. God gave everyone the free will to make their own choices good or bad.
its not my job or place to judge them or enact judgement upon them I’m not god. I don’t owe them anything and they don’t owe me anything.
I don't agree with what the west Baptist bro does or says. They're not a real church. It's made up of their own family members and they sing things that aren't biblical. I think you should apologize yourself if you have been talking bad or mistreating someone of the LGBTQ community.
I don't agree with the LGBTQ community, that's not the same thing as mistreating them. I don't think you should physically harm anyone or verbally abuse people.
*say not sing
Y’all are more worried about gays than marital abuse, pedophiles, and rapists. You would rather defend a pedophile raping a child than a homosexual being beaten to death. This is why a lot of people have turned their backs on the church and Christianity because they know the dark truth. You have no problem telling everyone else they’re sinners when you WEAPONIZE your religion to control people.
Don't confuse that Catholic institution BS with Biblical Christianity.
Not true.
Granted they will always be some snakes that infiltrate the church.
Hell no.
Neither. Both are damn filth.
Like I give a damn about what you have to say...
Christianity have been creating wars of violence. Meanwhile people who choose to love people regardless of their sex are just trying to live.
I'm getting really tired of this constant obsession with having people apologize for having opinions that don't make everyone feel good.
You don't like/can't join a certain club? Don't join it. Find another.
I do NOT think they need to apologize because the Christian church is a community of their own and should be able to think or talk the way they believe. (hurtful or not)
Maybe some of them especially the one in the pic above. It's not evil or bad it's just not the norm. Honestly I think it's more common now. I understand if people don't like LGBT if it's all up in your face but you need just to apologize or get back and said nothing at all.
How unchristian to send a message of hate towards another human bing. Of coarse the Pride community is going to get aggressive they have more on their plate than most realize.
Pride communities are also Gods children TF is wrong with these hypocrites.
Sin is a sin I don't understand why would a pastor be okay with people committed such a huge sin God hates.
no absolutely not. the political left has no problem being homophobic/transphobic when it suits them
No they don't need to apologise. Their faith is their faith and Christian groups are probably one of the more tolerant towards homosexuality despite it going against their morals. I don't believe they need to allow them into their places of worship, respect their life choices, allow them to marry or anything else that goes against their faith.
I think they should do a foot washing for them. That's what Jesus would do, then have dinner with them. Maybe he'd yell at them and call them "white washed tombs", who knows for sure...
maybe...
my experience is with the Catholic Church and not once i remember a homily during masses that encourages us to treat them like shit. i think the Nazi Christians/Church should apologize yeah because they just lead these lgbt pips away from Christ
I don't think that picture represents any of the hundreds of Christian denominations, at least according to core tenets. There is no one central Christian church.
@Msputiton have you ever gone to a shopping center during the Christ-mas season?
@Msputiton I'm my experience it is generally not a good place to find good examples of people who are to be known by their love. I co. pletely understand why most people have gone completely online for holiday shopping.
@Msputiton would getting rid of the secular commercial version and reclaiming Christ mass be beneficial to Christianity?
Naw. Christmas is about fun for children as well.
It's more poor teachings by religious leaders that leads to a very toxic environment.
There are plenty of true Christians in this world, but the ones who are toxic will always be noticed because they run around spewing hate loudly for the world to see.
Hate and toxicness will always get more noticed than love.
The bible doesn't say that being gay is a sin. It does condemn pedophilia though.
Another one of those ways of how the bible's words were twisted for an agenda
It is a sin and immoral. Nature teaches its a sin and immoral.
And God's word teaches its a sin as well.
God created a woman for Adam to have sex with, not a man.
Leviticus 20:13:
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.
They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:18-32:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
there are really only seven passages in the Bible that refer directly to homosexual behavior, and none of them are associated with Jesus. Compare that to the more than 250 verses on the proper use of wealth or more than 300 on our responsibility to care for the poor and work for justice, and you appreciate quickly that homosexuality was not exactly a major theme of the Bible.
There are two verses in the book of Leviticus that refer to homosexual behavior. The first reads, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" (18:22). While the second goes even further: "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them" (20:13).
There is considerable debate, however, about three matters. 1) Do these passages refer to consensual homosexual practice (and whether that was even a recognized option in the ancient world), or do they describe the cultic practice of Israel's neighbors and adversaries? 2) Are these regulations contingent because they derive from particular challenges and situations the Israelites faced at that time (the importance of procreation, for instance, given that Israel was a nomadic people dependent on increasing its population for survival), or do they intend to establish universal sexual norms? And 3) even if these regulations were normative for Israelites, do they continue to be for Christians given how many other Levitical codes are contradicted later in the New Testament or have historically been ignored by Christians.
Jesus never once spoke about homosexuality..
Shut up. Jesus clearly taught God made them male and female at beginning.
God isn't in favor of two men duking or sucking each other. Nasty ish.
Show me one passage were Jesus said anything about homosexuality...
Jesus is called the word of God and the Almighty.
Jesus was the one who handed Moses the civil, dietary and festival laws on Mount Sinai and wrote the 1st ten commandments on the two tablets.
Moses didn't come up with none of those laws except the divorce one.
The Bible didn’t say it was Jesus it said that god.. Yahweh did. Nothing in the 10 commandments says anything about homosexuality either. As for levitical law… I doubt that you fallow the laws of clean and unclean, and I’m sure that your wearing mixed fabrics
Civil and moral code of God are still in effect, dietary laws and clothing laws and festival laws doesn't apply anymore.
And Jesus is the Almighty. He claims to be the Almighty and that's a term that applies to God.
And what makes other Levitical laws still apply but not those? What give you the right to pick and choose?
What about the laws regarding menstruation? What about the taking a disobedient child before the elders and stoning him? What gives you the right to cherry pick.
Have you ever worked on a Saturday or a Friday night? because that is part of Levitical law and it is in the 10 commandments...
Jesus never said that homosexuality was a sin, he said that hate is a sin akin to murder, and his greatest commandment was to love others.
To apologize? Maybe not. What that. community should do is instead is focus on their own and realize that their beliefs cannot be imposed on to others. Same vice versa
No it's ok I forgive them ❤️❤️❤️ they just don't understand but that's ok. I just wish they weren't hypocrites I don't deserve to be treated mean 😔
They only need to apologize if they were actively treating the LGBTQIA+ community poorly. For those who weren't and were supporting the LGBT community, then they shouldn't apologize
Look at the fat sea cow in the middle. I bet she doesn't even know what's on her sign. I lived in a city that did protests every Friday. They were always the same people who were craving attention. It was the only way they knew how to get it.
No. The church doesn't treat anyone good. It just is what it is. There's no need to expect an apology.
apologize for what? God hates fags and dykes and anything immoral. period.
I have apologized before and she said I didn't need to apologize for something I didn't do.
You shouldn't apologize in the first place. You stand by God's word.
No, He doesn't. The Bible is clear God hates the wicked.
Hell bent on being evil and rebellious towards God then God will hate such a person.
God is love and holy therefore He hates evil and the people who practices evil.
Psalm 5:4-6
For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You.
The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity.
You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
Psalms 11:4-7
The LORD is in His holy temple, The LORD’s throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.
The LORD tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.
Upon the wicked He will rain coals; Fire and brimstone and a burning wind Shall be the portion of their cup.
For the LORD is righteous, He loves righteousness; His countenance beholds the upright.
@Joker_: He is but He is also righteous, Just and Holy.
If you love kids then you hate pedophiles, if you love the truth then you hate lying, if you love righteousness then you hate all evil.
I believe the group pictured is the Westboro Baptist Church from Kansas. It was a fringe group of 400 people, most of whom were related to the crackpot pastor.
I don’t want their apology.
Christianity is a brainwashed cult. Y’all are the last people I want approval from.
Freedom of speech needs to be respected especially when you don't agree.
NOPE NOPE NOPE, in fact I praise the christian community, well done
LGBTQ needs to be dismissed.
a true Christian does not hate - but evil people use religion a weapon to justify hate
Not true.
yes true
does the church get one from the bat shit crazy alphabet activists who are just as guilty of spreading their hatred?
I stand by the bible too. To me, these words were spoken by Jesus. But I have nothing against gays and lesbians either.
There's no such thing as "Christian Church". There are different denominations of Christianity.
This is perhaps the answer to you question
Thank you and plus I don't think we should do this and do it in a nicer way but I agree for what it stands for
No most homophones are usually lgbtq themselves
I don't think they need to apologize. I think they need to do better.
No, I don't think that people should apologize for speech that does not advocate violence.
It wouldn't matter if they did - which they won't.
The church doesn't need it because the church is right
This post is def intended to start a dumpster fire lolol.
Lmao the fucking brainwashed sheep in here. Silly straight people.
I think everyone should put their differences aside and accept each other as human beings :)
No you see that this group broke up the Methodist church
Those are either Fake or Lost Christians.
You don't apologize for stating the truth.
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