Your Can't Be "Proud" Of Your Race, Sexuality, or Gender

[WhateversCheapest]

It just is.

No black person should be "proud" of being black. It isn't an achievement or an accomplishment. No white person should be "proud" or being white. That too is neither an achievement nor an accomplishment. Should you feel ashamed of being black or white? No, of course not. But being proud of something you had nothing to do with is illogical.

Because I believe genetics play a large part in sexuality, I feel the same way about homosexuality. It isn't something to be proud of. Again, it's not an achievement. Being gay isn't inherently better (or, in my opinion, worse) then being straight. It just is. You were born that way.

Don't be proud that you're a woman. What is there to be proud of? Genes mixed in a certain way. What an accomplishment. You worked hard to make that happen, right?

(Don't take credit for the work your chromosomes did)

The problem is, when people take "pride" in things that are entirely out of there control they center their identity around it. Naturally, because their entire identity is built around these factors, they are very sensitive to criticism.

Take for instance, black lives matter. (Yes, I'm going there). Most people understand there's a difference between me criticizing black lives matter the movement and me criticizing the idea that black lives matter. But, somebody who is "proud" of their race isn't always able to distinguish the two. Black lives Matter is a movement started by black people, so in their mind my criticism of the movement is a criticism of black people (which is true- I'm criticizing certain black people. But not because they are black) and, by extension, a criticism of them as a person.

And what about gay pride parades?

At gay pride parades, gay people aren't talking about how great it is to be gay. They're celebrating and dancing and having fun and listening to music. Only a stiff would have an issue with that. I have absolutely no problem with gay people celebrating- that's only natural, after years of being treated differently. But why gay "pride." Why not gay "victory" parade or just a parade to celebrate a ruling. Even if people oppose your way of life having it isn't an accomplishment- and if it is, you are basically saying you choose to be gay.

This was a short, quick, off-the-cuff MyTake. The next one will have a lot more. That said, I hope you enjoyed.

[Fathoms77]

I just think maybe it's the wrong word. Literally speaking, you really can't be proud about something over which you had no control. I get that.

But I think when people say they're "proud" to be whatever, they're simply embracing the history and roots of whatever that is.

[FallOutBoy2001]

agreed. They mean they aren't ashamed. I'm not ashamed to be queer, it's who I am, but I've got no control of it.

[Anonymous]

I don't think these people feel "proud" like it's an accomplishment. I think these things are more of a show of solidarity. It means they will not be ashamed of being born how they are.

[WhateversCheapest]

Yes, I understand. Maybe I'm taking it too literally.

[AlexisFaye]

Yes you are taking pride a little too literally here.

[cipher42]

There's a reason they call it "pride". Perhaps read up on things before writing about them. Basically, the point of pride in this sense is not that they're being proud of themselves simply to be proud of themselves. The point is that for people such as black people and gay people, they have historically long been told by society that they should be ashamed simply for being who they are. That they are less than others because they're black, or gay, or trans, or whatever. The purpose of pride is to counteract that, to make a point of NOT being ashamed of who they are. It's not about them being proud of something they are just because, it's about them fighting back against the systemic oppression that has so long told them to be ashamed.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 I still maintain that it's dumb to be proud of something you aren't responsible for. And there's a happy medium between being ashamed and being proud. Like I said in the MyTake you shouldn't beat yourself up for being a certain race or gender. You shouldn't feel bad about it and you should feel positive about yourself in general. Some people would define that as "pride" but I don't.

Like I say, it's great to celebrate and whatnot but that's different then being proud. When I think of being proud I think of something I achieved. I enjoy being straight and I'm happy I'm straight but in no way am I "proud" of being straight.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 I think in this instance you're correct but my post is correct as well. Depending on how you interpret "pride."

[cipher42]

The issue is that you're interpreting pride differently from how they're interpreting it, and therefor in this context you are interpreting it wrong. Basically, their pride is pride DESPITE what they are, not because of it. It's just having self confidence basically, but called pride because they're actively working against systems that bring their pride/self-confidence down. The reason you being proud of being straight is different is because no ones actively telling you that you're worse than other people because you're straight, so you don't need pride to have standard self confidence.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 Depending on what definition you're going by, pride means something different. This was the first definition that came up when I searched it.

a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired:

"the team was bursting with pride after recording a sensational victory" ·
"a woman who takes great pride in her appearance"

The first example sentence defines pride the way I define it. The second is unclear. If she takes pride in her appearance because she has blue eyes, once again I say that's uncalled for because she was born with them. If she takes pride in her appearance because she's in good shape and achieved her goal of getting in shape that's the same scenario as the first example.

Qualities could mean developed qualities.

Here's another sample sentence:

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42

"she'd always prided herself on her ability to deal with a crisis"

So, in this case, a woman is proud of a developed skill.

I looked through a few of these. I was unable to find any that explicitly talked about being proud of something that isn't in your control.

The full definition is very telling.

1
: the quality or state of being proud: as
a : inordinate self-esteem : conceit
b : a reasonable or justifiable self-respect
c : delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship

Part B is incredibly vague and subjective. Reasonable and justifiable- I'd argue if you're proud of having blue eyes that isn't reasonable or justifiable because you were born that way. Part A gives pride a negative connotation. Part C is both positive and specific.

c : delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship

Being proud that you have an ipad I guess.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 but all of those still result from something the pride filled person did. A parent is proud of their kid because they did a good job raising them. Being proud of an "act" but simply being something isn't an act. Even possession- you did something to get something somebody else doesn't have so as ridiculous as I think that is, it makes some sense to some degree.

I stand by what I said before. I'm not objectively wrong, you're not objectively wrong, and they're not objectively wrong. Different interpretation and all interpretations can be supported by fact to some degree.

[cipher42]

Have you actually just not read anything I said? This isn't about being proud of something you are. It's being proud despite what you are. How many times do I have to repeat that? If LGBT people and people of color didn't have pride, many would have far less self esteem than straight white people because of how society treats them. This pride is pride simply to counteract what society's doing. Also, part B of your definition literally proves my point. Plus it's not like a single dictionary definition is ever going to capture the full sense of a word. Fun fact: language is descriptive, not prescriptive. That means, the meaning of words is determined by how they're used. As in, if enough people are using pride in this sense to mean having dignity despite the existence of forces trying to take that dignity away, then that's a valid definition.

[cipher42]

But if you insist on continuing to be so descriptivist, here's a couple definitions of pride that you seem to have passed over: "Consciousness of one's own dignity." "a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem." Happy yet? Both of those clearly state that pride does not have to be about something that one has actively achieved. Humans deserve basic dignity and self-respect, and that's what pride in this sense is about. Plus, if you still want to be stubborn about this, I honestly think LGBT+ people and poc deserve to be proud just for living and continuing to live in this culture despite how hard it can be on them. They absolutely have achieved something, something more than what we have, simply for managing to stay alive. Plus, many pride celebrations aren't merely about individual pride, but about pride as a community. Pride for how far they've come, and how much they've achieved, despite historical hurdles.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 Your argument is that my interpretation is wrong. Flat out wrong. I argued both of us were right, you responded with "no, you're wrong."(not exactly, but basically that was your response). So I brought up the dictionary pointing out that my way of defining pride is valid, and therefore I'm not objectively wrong. Now you're talking about language not being prescriptive but instead being descriptive. So if language is flexible, how can I be wrong? I interpret pride to mean "feeling of elation or satisfaction after accomplishing something." And clearly I'm not the only one. Using your logic, if enough people think a particular word means something, that definition is valid. So a number of people here think pride has to do with accomplishments not predetermined factors outside of your control. In that case, adhering to your logic, pride: a feeling of elation or satisfaction after accomplishing something, not as a result of predetermined factors, is a legitimate definition.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 that definition has three parts. That just goes to show pride can be interpreted in many different ways. My argument is "it depends on how you look at it" and yours is "you're wrong." According to the dictionary I'm not wrong. My opinion is shared by many others, so in that sense I'm not wrong. How exactly can you state I'm objectively wrong. Just because I interpret it differently doesn't make me wrong. As I said- you are right AND I am right. Because, as you said words don't have set definitions and society can use words in a way that doesn't match the definition.

LGBT people and people of color didn't have pride, many would have far less self esteem than straight white people because of how society treats them

No, if they didn't have "confidence" they would have far less self esteem. I don't consider what they have pride. I consider it confidence.

I understand the purpose of it.

Using your logic, both of us are correct. Win-win

[cipher42]

It is wrong. Because your claim is that their usage of the word is incorrect, and that is itself incorrect, as I have demonstrated. You are using a different interpretation than they are, and as such interpreting their words incorrectly. I'm not saying your use of the word is wrong, I'm saying your interpretation of their meaning is wrong, which it is.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 that's a fair point. That is an achievement. But you only just brought that up.

If one dictionary defines a word one way and other defines it a different way which is correct? I'd argue both are. In which case, my argument that both of us are correct still stands.

Yes, gays and minorities have every reason to be confident and comfortable. Me arguing they shouldn't have pride isn't me saying they should feel ashamed and beat themselves up. That's me saying they should be confident but that's the wrong use of pride. To me. That's entirely subjective.

Can we just agree that we're both right and call it a day.

[cipher42]

But they don't have the wrong use of pride. I've thoroughly shown that, have I not? The issue at hand here is very much not whether or not your use of pride is correct, it's whether theirs is as well. Are you still trying to say that their use is wrong? Even after I've shown that by certain definitions and due to context it's perfectly valid? Basically your entire take is about how their use of the word "pride" is incorrect. Since I've shown that it is not actually, and since you seem to have agreed with that, then I should think we would both be in agreement here that you were actually incorrect in your first claim, which is all I'm trying to prove here.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 I believe they are using it incorrectly, yes. Entirely subjective. It really depends on how you define pride. As I've said, I think their intention is to express confidence and happiness and celebrate their victories. Which is why it should be called a victory parade. My argument is that this is the wrong use of the word "pride." In this circumstance I do not think they are celebrating because they think they are better then anybody else.

If their intentions are to celebrate and be happy, my interpretation isn't wrong.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 I still believe they are using the word "pride" incorrectly but I do realize this belief Is subjective.

I believe the dictionary is the best way to define words. Societal interpretations pervert the definitions of words. Words mean something and words should mean something. Of all the dictionary definitions, I disagree with the ones that say pride is justifiable self esteem. That isn't how I define or use pride.

I interpret it differently. I don't see how that's wrong. Maybe I'm just being thick. But that's how I see it.

[cipher42]

Why? Why do you still believe they're using it wrong? Again, language is not prescriptive. And again, I've even found dictionary definitions that fit their definition. You are aware that words can have multiple meanings, yes? And I've said many times that that is not their intention, not fully in any case. I've shown that in pretty much any light, their usage of pride is fully correct. It's correct prescriptively, because there are dictionary definitions that agree with their use. It's correct contextually, because they are celebrating an achievement. It's correct descriptively, because enough people use it with their sense in mind that it's a valid sense of the word. How can you possibly still think it's incorrect?

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 Yeah I suppose you're right. I'll admit, this stuff hadn't occurred to me and I'll concede that I'm probably wrong in this case. I can't argue that the dictionary has it and that makes my definition legitimate and then dismiss a definition that contradicts mine. And words are subjective, like I said. And, in a sense, they are celebrating an achievement. So I guess I don't have much of a leg to stand on.

Regardless, good talk. Win or lose, I enjoy a good debate.

[cipher42]

Thank you. I know language can be weird. Descriptivism in and of itself makes everything infinitely more complicated. Like,, at what point is a word commonly used enough in a particular way to make that way valid? Fun fact, "literally" can now also be used simply as emphasis, because of how much people "misused" it that way. Like, that meaning has even been added to the dictionary. It's weird shit, and damn confusing sometimes, but I think it's a lotta fun honestly.

[WhateversCheapest]

@cipher42 you sure know a lot about this stuff. I enjoy writing, but I don't know the ins and outs of the English language. But yeah, it is interesting. And literally is very overused.

[cipher42]

Ya, I took a linguistics class and have a close friend who's a linguistics major, plus I've done a bunch of independent research on it just cause I think it's neat. English is damn weird honestly, partially so because we can get away with descriptivism cause we don't have an official language academy that determines what's really correct or not. It's honestly super interesting though how different dialects emerge and words change to mean different things. I don't know, I just think stuff like that's super fun, particularly since it's one of those things where people think it's way more structured than it really is, which I think can be very amusing.

[Brokenheartedx]

Proud should only be shown at a goal that has been set

The person who was over weight who loses weight should be proud of their own goal and dedication.

The kid who didn't do well at school but worked harder than anyone to get a degree should be proud

The drug addict who kicked drugs and becoming a better person should be proud..

Race religion or sexuality is correct it isn't an accomplishment, it's not a goal and shouldn't be proud it's who we are.. no one set a goal in their life to be gay or white/black etc.. so why should anyone be proud

Achievements are proud moments.. skin colour is not

[Elarra]

You can be proud of things that are out of your control... especially since the things you mentioned on her in the past have been considered something to be ashamed of. So why all of sudden that now that it's no longer a shame we can't be proud of it? Completely stupid and the only people who think this way are those who never had anything to ashamed or not accepted about them on a societal standpoint. Pride isn't about an accomplishment, it's about something you really like and want to show off and enjoy. Merriam-Webster even offers one definition of pride as "a feeling that you respect yourself and deserve to be respected by other people". So, again, how can we not have pride in these things? I don't understand.

Also, it's not really your place to tell someone they are or are not allowed to have pride in something.

[echoaj]

I agree with you that it doesn't make sense to be a proud black, proud white, proudly gay, proud American, proud etc... The color of your skin, sexual orientation, culture is not an achievement.

Putting that aside I think "Pride parade" is really more a statement of the achievement of how gay rights have come so far and the hurdles gays had to go through in order to be accepted in society rather than the statement about "proud to be gay."

[WhateversCheapest]

@echoaj I agree. Like I say, I think the term should be victory parade personally. Because that's what they are celebrating.

[echoaj]

good point. either way, I don't mind. good my take tho!

[damnwinter]

Oh yeah. I fully agree. People get lost in this 'pride' narrative, even if the idea to begin with is to develop pride as opposed to shame about an objective reality. But being proud of this reality is logically as wrong as being ashamed of it is. So, the key word here should be 'normalized'. All these things should be normalized: not being straight, not being white etc.
So all these 'pride' parades and movements or whatever you want to call them, are subtly turning into a 'Look at me, I am special' parade. Surely, not for everybody, but with some people, that is unfortunately the case.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Actually being gay is not simply a thing of genetics or whatever. Sure there are predispositions, but childhood is the determining factor. And it's not normal, or natural in any way, but the media forces it with these parades and bullshit, and through movies etc. and creates predispositions for more gays. Homosexual people take up about 4% of the world population according to statistics, at least I think so, I forgot already, but the media makes it look like its 40%. Also the parades are stupid and pointless, because it does not achieve absolutely anything for gay people. Walking through the city with police guards isn't freedom, it's bullshit. Those who hate them will only hate them more after the parade, and those who don't will be indifferent. So what does the parade achieve actually? Absolutely nothing

[WhateversCheapest]

@TheInvisibleMan normal is a subjective term. I don't think anybody believes 40% of people are gay.

Natural- that behavior has been seen in other animals in nature. So being gay is actually natural.

The parade is for them to celebrate. It isn't for anybody else. And yes, them having the ability to celebrate is freedom. That's what freedom is.

[TheInvisibleMan]

You totally didn't get my point. First of all, humans are above animals. And deviation can happen anywhere. Normal is the internal compass we all have and thats what makes us disgusted when you see gay people having sex ir whatever. Just like necrophilia and zoophilia are sick. You could justify that too, but actually its sick and we all know it. About 40%, I was talking how the media forces that sickness upon us. There isn't a single TV show in the last 10 years that doesn't include gay/lesbian scene or episode. And about freedom, when you walk through town guarded by few hundred police officers, thats not freedom. Bin Laden (while he was alive) cpuld have walked through New York with such heavy guards and he would be safe. But dies that mean that he is normal, free, loved or accepted? No. It just means you are guarded so you are safe. It has nothing to do with freedom. Freedom is walking down the street alone and nobody touches you. Cause you are free and accepted.

[TheInvisibleMan]

And celebrate what exactly? The fact they were born fucked up and that over half of the world hates them? Nothing to celebrate there. Live your life, do what you want, but do not promote sickness and try to make it look normal

[WhateversCheapest]

@TheInvisibleMan

Natural-existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind

You said it wasn't natural. I said it was. Because, objectively, going by the definition of "natural" homosexuality is natural.

There are security guards at this parade because these parades are often targeted. After the Orlando shooting a heavily armed man drove to the gay pride parade in LA (fortunately he was stopped).

MOST people are accepting of gays. But it only takes the.1% of people who want to kill them for there to be an issue. On the whole it doesn't mean they aren't loved and accepted it just means that.1% of people want to kill them. It only takes one nutcase with a gun. Them having security guards doesn't mean most people don't love and accept them. The security guards are there to stop the lone wolf.

I'm sure there is, but I'm not going to try to find it. TV shows cover current events. So why wouldn't there be gay characters in them.

[WhateversCheapest]

@theinvisibleman

I don't think I mentioned freedom anywhere. But if gays aren't free, that's even more of a reason why these parades should exist and gay culture should be celebrated. That point kind of works against you.

Of course they aren't celebrating that half the world hates them. Also, where did you get that statistic? Or are you using it in a loose generic sense.

Typically sicknesses harm the person who is sick- a stomach bug makes somebody vomit for instance. Gay people don't seem to mind being gay, so I'm not sure how it's a sickness.

At this point I'm not sure whether you're a troll or you just have an ass backwards stance on everything. And I don't know which is worse to be honest.

[WhateversCheapest]

@Theinvisibleman I did say freedom although I didn't say gays were free. I said the parade was freedom.

And so it is. Freedom: the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint. Since the security guards are there, gay people are able to do that. It doesn't say anything about security guards. And security guards aren't a "hindrance" either. So I would argue that these parades are freedom of speech and expression.

[TheInvisibleMan]

You are a complete fucking idiot. As I said, the most hated person in the world could walk through town with 50000 police guards and would be perfectly safe. So that has nothing to do with freedom. If they could walk alone and still be safe - that would be freedom. I said half of the world hates them in a vague sense, in reality its more like 80% if not even more. And your story about "only 1%" is a statistic you pulled out of your ass that has nothing to do with the real world. If you dont believe me, walk through your town holding hands with a guy friend and you will get your asses kicked. Thats the situation almost everywhere. About sickness, well it would actually be closer to a mental illness or whatever. But its not natural or normal in any way. Same way you could justify zoophilia or stuff like that. But you really showed me here a serious lack of intelligence and basic education. And write shorter messages, its boring to read 3 messages of random bullshit

[WhateversCheapest]

@TheInvisibleMan Ironic that you're talking about mental illness. You're calling me an idiot because I disagree with you even though I've been very friendly during this entire conversation. That isn't normal behavior. It's really fucking weird.

At this point I think you're a troll or contrarian and I'm not sure which is worse. I don't think it makes much of a difference either.

You understood I wasn't actually quoting a statistic. Good for you.

Let's look at all the people who don't have freedom according to your logic.
Trey Parker and Matt Stone don't have freedom because they have security guards.
Your average celebrity isn't free because they have security guards.
Well known authors who are able to voice their opinions aren't free because they have security guards.

In order to exercise one's freedom to the maximum extent, one must have a platform and an audience. But people who have those typically have security guards. So, by your logic, freedom isn't a real thing anywa

[WhateversCheapest]

@TheInvisibleMan walk through your town holding hands with a guy friend and you will get your asses kicked

Maybe if I lived where you lived or encountered you this would happen. Where I live, it wouldn't.

About sickness, well it would actually be closer to a mental illness or whatever

Completely missing my point about sickness. I don't know why you're getting on my case for writing "3 messages of random bullshit" if you don't even bother reading them. Sickness and illness NEGATIVELY impact people. Gay people are quite happy being gay. Anxious people don't want anxiety. See the difference?

I've never met somebody who's so hostile. I want to believe you're a troll, but I'm having a hard time believing that. Hopefully you're seeing this right now and laughing your ass off at how gullible I am, because if this is actually how you treat people your life must really suck.

I'm honestly lost for words.

[WhateversCheapest]

@TheInvisibleMan typing a third message just to piss you off, so feel free to rage.

You're a little narcissistic. A lot actually. And, honestly just an asshole.

[TheInvisibleMan]

I actually called you an idiot because of your intelligence and lack of basic education. Now, there are plenty of mentally ill people who are happy. And as I said, pedophiles and necrophiles are also happy. You can't say its normal just because they are happy. There are also serial killers who are happy when they kill. So your logic is bullshit. And as for celebrities, its different, their security is there if some fanatic tries something wrong. But there were never any groups of 500+ people with baseball bats, knives etc who want to hurt and kill some celebrity. So your logic is flawed again. And it would happen in your town too, you are just too blinded and brainwashed in order to see it (unless you live in Amsterdam)

[WhateversCheapest]

@Theinvisibleman
Don't care
Dumb point
More feedback I don't want

500+ people with baseball bats/knives? Are you fucking delusional? Do you literally live in your own universe. You need to get your head checked.

Another dumb point
More stupidity
Just proved my point about narcissism

[TheInvisibleMan]

Have you ever actually seen the 'hooligans' who are there to hurt/kill the gay people? You are the one who is delusional. Doesn't even matter, you already showed you are retarded and now you are writing insults. Real nice and mature

[Anonymous]

It only makes sense to say you're proud of who you are when it's common place for others to say that being that is bad, and you should somehow be ashamed. Instead of being ashamed, they're proud. It makes sense for homosexuals, half of the population thought they didn't deserve equal legal rights. As far as BLM, only about 2% of Americans owned slaves during the era of slavery, and many people did not agree with it, that's mostly why the civil war happened. There is still some racism left, coming from all sides, and I guess this drives people to feel like they're being shamed.

On the other hand, you cannot help which country you are born into either, yet I think it is perfectly legitimate to be proud of your country, to be proud of your family, your friends, and these are also not accomplishments.

[LiveFreeorDieHard]

I'm with you bro. Having white skin or black skin is not an accomplishment. Some people are gay just like some girls like guys with tattoos or some guys like girls with green eyes. Who you are and what you like is genetics so why treat it any different. They are just normal.

[RainbowFanGirl]

I don't think they are saying they are proud of these things becuase they achieved it, I think they are saying it becuase people have shamed them for being born the way they are, and they are rising above that. Nobody should be ashamed of the way that they are born.

[WhateversCheapest]

@RainbowFanGirl if you aren't proud of something I don't think that means you're ashamed of it. I think there's an in between where you're neither proud nor ashamed.

[Kiran04]

Nobody should be proud of it either. Pride is just the first step to racial superiority. The KKK is proud of being white. They're just further down that road than most people are, but BLM is quickly arriving at that point. Being proud of your skin color is grade A fuckin' stupid.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@Kiran04 I think they used the wrong words.

[Saoirse_Nua]

I have a feeling it is all getting lost in semantics - As you say all these groups are perfectly entitled to celebrated their culture etc - I am Irish and we celebrate being Irish on St. Patrick's day - It is just a term like Black/White/Gay Pride that somehow has become political - I am a total "Live and Let Live" person, if you don't impinge on me or others, do what you want.

[WhateversCheapest]

@Saoirse_Nua I agree, and yes I do think all these groups are allowed to celebrate. I think I define pride differently then a lot of people here. Typically I associate pride with achievements. So you can't be proud of having blue eyes because you were just born that way but you can be proud that you're in shape because you worked hard to achieve that.

[macix670]

I agree but you should take into account the historical context. Women, gays and Blacks were historically oppressed and denied their basic human rights. The 'pride' parades are just to show they're not ashamed of being gay and won't go back into the closet.

[WhateversCheapest]

@macix670 right, which is why I suggested they be called "victory" parades because that's more accurate- they are celebrating because they have the same rights as other people. Of course they're going to celebrate. That's awesome.

[Kiran04]

You hit the nail right on the head. You should be proud of accomplishments and the content of your character, not your skin color, gender, or sexual identity (I mean, I'm an attack helicopter and you don't see me bragging). People who are proud of being black are just as stupid as people who are proud of being white. I see no difference between Black Lives Matter and the KKK, except that one is honest and one isn't.

[StickStickity13]

Proud definition- feeling deep pleasure or satisfaction as a result of one's own achievements, qualities, or possessions or those of someone with whom one is closely associated.

So you can be proud of your ethnicity. Satisfaction with your qualities and people you associate with

[RedVulcan]

The dude is saying it is irrational to base your identity around things you can't control. You can only be proud of your ethnicity or gender or sexuality or whatever to a certain degree.

[StickStickity13]

@RedVulcan I don't think that's true, you can be proud of a friend, but you don't always have control over what they do.

[RedVulcan]

Yes, and you can only be proud of them to a certain extent, you can't introduce yourself to people as "Alex Trebek's friend". In the same way you cannot introduce yourself as gay, black, or a woman/man. It is simply not a cornerstone of your identity

[StickStickity13]

@RedVulcan Says you, your ethnicity is absolutely a cornerstone of your identity.

[RedVulcan]

Maybe you're right in a way, but my point still stands. I feel it is rude and improper to introduce myself as RedVulcan the white GaG user.

[StickStickity13]

@RedVulcan So by your logic, you can only be proud of your name, which you didn't choose?

[Riggers]

Nah, anyone can be proud as long as they're not a white male. For some reason the entire planet seems to hate white men.

[Library]

This is well said. I'm not proud of anything I didn't achieve. People really need to learn their vocabulary.

[Anpu23]

I can't be proud of my heritage, my history? The fact that my people overcame great odds, or accomplished great things?

[Karaas2]

Because being black, women, LGBT has been considered a shame, we use the word 'pride'. Don't forget the whole history

[Anonymous]

I mean, Im not proud but...

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/17466556.jpg

[Jersey2]

I am proud of who I am. Maybe you just have low self esteem. I am proud of my heritage, family, history. Why do you hate so much? Let people be.

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