You know i was totally gonna bash on everything you said but seems most guys do that anyway. and about the skirt thing, you can't compare showing skin to wearing a shirt with "suck my dick" on it. girl can wear a shirt with "suck my dick" on it or "eat out my pussy". there is no difference there.
You are basically another one of those "wage gap exists men have too many rights" femininazis that ruined the real feminism. I want equality, don't get me wrong. Please i hope for men and woman to be equal but i don't want women like you trying to to make men the gender that gets treated the way women got treated man years ago.
The only place the world needs feminists are other countries like the ones with sharia law, lesser developed countries and other countries that women get mistreated. Not countries like in the EU and USA.
Do you want to make a difference? then go to Saudi-Arabia. that would be a good start
My main focus isn't on 1st world anyway. I already said my focus was on 3rd world. Only a few of my points are 1st world. The wage one is just because i like my money and i want the same amount as a man does. Why is that a horrible thing? The thing about the dress code, is deeper than that. I just didn't feed too much into it bc its kinda irrelevant. The other thing about the groping, i just dont like my vagina touched by random people. Thats all. Deeper into my b*tch fit i get into more serious topics. I couldn't start off my rant with "12 yo are sold into sex" type sh*t. I was really just rambling about my opinions and if you dont like it, not my problem. Lol.
What will feminism do about your vagina getting touched and stuff like 12 yo's getting sold into sex. it's already prohibited by law but people will keep breaking the law. they have to be punished but since it's already illegal to do such things feminism isn't needed on those fields is it? And about the wage gap. It's been fixed ages ago, the only difference there is is that men and women like different jobs.
Without reading, i will say what I always say: we still need feminism, yes. The question now is where do we need it? USA? Canada? Australia? West European countries? Not anymore. Women pretty much have most, if not all, of their rights there, equality. Asia and the middle east? Fuck yes. Bring the feMinists here. Women here are still judged on how pretty they are, whether or not they are still virgins, how light their skin is, how thin they are.
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Go over seas and fight for those womens rights if you feel so strongly about it. How fair do you think it is that you're protesting about feminism in a 1st world western country that pretty much does have equality for men and women, where they're struggling over there? How big you you. think you really are, when "fighting for womens rights" in the us is akin to walking a straight path on even ground, when people in the middle east and obscure parts of Asia fight an uphill battle? Get off your soapbox and go do something with your "conviction".
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Lmao the question is can *you* read? The first sentence, its right there. Do you realize you're typing this post, safely from your secure position a a us citizen and you don't actually have to worry about government sanctioned censure of your words? You're an American preaching about abuse of basic humans rights of women in other countries - again. If you feel so strongly about the way women overseas are treated, do something about that. Regurgitating the same base feminist propaganda doesn't help them. You posting all these mytakes, acting like you're making some kind of a difference with this is useless. Making you useless.
Its a rant byatch. My focus isn't even on America, which I've made clear but you're actually illiterate. I can't go overseas because im an American woman who runs her mouth a shit ton. That wouldn't even f*cking work and you people should know that. I get you're lacking it but Use common sense.
You're using these words but i don't think you really know what they mean. Short of drawing pictures for you, lemme lay it out for you in bullet points. Maybe your limited mind will be able to comprehend his somewhat: - feminism isn't needed in America, it's needed over seas. - okay, you made that point - but unless you go overseas to help them or you start contributing to efforts to help people overseas - you're just a useless, ranting, sack of shitposts - no one wants to hear you want because you're a) an American women preaching about feminism when you haven't even been subjected to one third of the things women who actually need feminism have been through b) not saying anything useful or even remotely new c) you are basically just vomiting ideas and shit other feminists had and who are equally useless
Did you post this up thinking that everyone's gonna pat you on the back for it? Did you think no one would disagree with you? Or are you saying I'm not allowed to have an opinion? Or are you just mad because i said you're useless because you aren't actually doing anything about your so called convictions because that's me calling it as i see it. If you dont like ot, why dont *you* just move on? Everything you accuse me of you're just as guilty of, except you actually believe you're on the higher moral ground and that is whats hilarious. The only reason i reply is because you're actually imbecilic enough to reply - ofc I'm gonna shitpost on a shitpost, it's not like anything you say is going to help anything anyways so you might as well just provide more examples of how modern day feminists are basically useless and a waste of 20s replies.
Definition of a rant: speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way. Doesn't mean to change the world with words. The point of a mytake is to share an opinion, which is why its on here. But OBVIOUSLY you're too dumb to understand that. Im not mad at anything you said. You're one salty almost 30 yo "lady". Its sad enough that your life is so empty that you go back and forth with a teen over her post. Call it a shitpost if you want. I would like to compare it to yours but oh wait, you're anonymous and irrelevant. You can't literally click on a rant and say "omg you're so useless. This does nothing". Like No shit, biotch. A rant isn't some magical spell that gets rid of the worlds problems. Tf did you expect? Use your brain, little boy.
Oh so lemme tack on "rant" to everything i said, which makes everything better. "i can't literally click on a rant and say you're useless"? I just did. You want to share your opinion that's fine, i just shared my opinion of your opinion and you obviously didn't like it - so what, you're the only one allowed to disagree? Were not allowed to disagree with you? Call me whatever names you want, doesn't change the fact that you're just proving everyone who thinks the majority of modern day feminists are useless mouthbreathers. Because apparently that's all you really do- rant uselessly about how we need feminism but when push comes to shove you don't do anything about the actual oppression going on in the world.
Anyways, you should thank people like me. We make your anger relevant. So you're quite welcome.
Well im not angry so you're doing a sucky job. I never said you couldn't have an opinion. Im saying you knew what it was when you clicked and then you complain. Which makes no sense but i guess thats what people like to do when they have no life? When i said the whole "you can't..." thing, i meant, you're an idiot for even doing that because obviously ranting is useless but thats what mytakes are about so how dumb can you be? Like c'mon, you make it hard for yourself then you make it worse with your stupidity. Also by the way, if you're going to quote me, do it right. So you just assume that i do nothing based off of this one rant? What a smarty pants you are. Gold star for you.
No, sir. You do not get cancer. You give cancer. There's a reason the wage gap discussion won't be going away anytime soon.
But--I'm sure the fact that men hold an overwhelming majority of better-paying leadership positions has nothing to do with it. You'd almost think the workforce didn't recover from the centuries of sexism that built this hierarchy overnight, but no. That can't be true. That would be too obvious and rational. Let's go find a Youtube video instead.
@Marinite i work in a corporate. When i look around, more than half of HR's are women. I dont see men bitching about it. Just because of yoy are a aomen, no one would should give you extra access. Stop generalizing everything. There are sexists. But that number is low and with a complaint they lose jobs. In fact women use this discrimination argument to rise up the ladder. Morals you speak of are in stark contrast in real world. Men are not angels and neither are women. Wage gap is a joke. I haven't seen one in the past 6 years of my experience. Men work very long compared to women on average. Imagine them fetting promoted for hardwork. You can't swallow reality. Always looking for olive branch. Everyone takes advantage of opportunities. Thats capitalism. Adapt or die
Unfortunately reasoning with feminists is like reasoning with a brick wall. they don't move, and lack a brain so they can't learn from the errors in their views.
Dude you're not being shitty or sexist. you see feminists can't handle opinions that oppose their own. They also can't handle facts, sourced truth or reality. They are professional victims and narcissists all and simply can't understand reality.
"I'm only a jackass to you! ... And that other women over there! Because you care about women! I'm not SEXIST. No."
I don't understand. You're just saying stupid shit to piss me off. Are you some sort of twelvie who thinks he's clever for being able to do that? Real basic shit dude.
@Marinite I'm not saying shit to piss you off, you came to my opinion with a stick so far up your ass you can't even see past your own nose. Why don't you just stop talking and get out of my opinion, I don't wanna talk to someone like you, and you don't wanna talk to someone like me, so why don't do both of us a favor and shut up?
Sure you aren't. You were wrong and I told you why you were wrong. Did I... OFFEND you when I called you out? Did you decide to be a dick because I had a point and you had nothing better to say? Guess I got rused. Shocking. I've never had a jackass trick me into treating them like their voice mattered before. :u
@Marinite Chauvinist why? Cause I called you a kid? Jesus Christ you can't get dumber than this lol nice way to start a Saturday, GAG never disappoints
... Why are stupid people convinced criticism never applies to them personally? Yes, that's exactly the sort of behavior the word chauvinism was created to describe.
Chauvinism. The notion that if you act obnoxiously and aggressively enough, no one will notice you're just suffering from diarrhea of the mouth. Would you like to make provide another demonstration, or are you done?
@Marinite What are you talking about, you don't even have a valid point, you just came in "I'm a feminist blah blah you're sexist blah blah" dude, find something real to fight for, and the come back... better yet, go find someone who cares. I thought you were gonna be gone already. Shoooo get out.
If you had a clue we wouldn't have a problem. You're only being disingenuous because you're the one without a valid point to make. You didn't even address what I said. You just laughed it up with your precious wittle memes. Internet Trash, kind of the opinions you got off Youtube.
Ale is correct, there is no wage gap and if ther ever is a difference in pay, the true reason is because a man is more likely to negotiate his salary than a woman is. End of story.
@Marinite That is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever heard. Why? Why do men have more leadership roles? Because it takes years of insanely hard work and long hours all of which women do not wish to put in because it means they will not get to spend time with their families. That is why women who are single make more money then men who are the same age and single. Once they have a family women's priorities shift from trying to acquire resources to focusing on the family while mens priorities shift to trying to produce as many resources as possible (i. e. money) in order to ensure the well being of his family. Also I find it hilariously funny that you point that out as some kind of sexism but neglect to mention who men also make up 80% of the homeless, and make up almost the entirety of every unpleasant, physically grueling and/or dangerous job out there. Why are you not bitching about there not being enough women who work manual labor jobs? Well we both know why don't we?
Other countries have different situations but in the Western countries there is legal equality and feminism is mainly about corporate women playing political games to rise up the ladder.
A lot of corporate guys grope men as well as women and nothig is done about it because they are in control mostly, and every corporate woman knows this and plays right along.
So there's no reason to listen when they get upset about being groped just because the guy doesn't have a corner office.
You complain about slavery and then you endorse slavery by demanding that education be recognized as a 'right', which means that other people are to be forced to provide it.
You do not have the 'right' to an education or a job or money. Drop the entitlement mentality.
I mean, if we as a society decide we want something to be a right, we can decommodify a market pretty easily. We decommodified police and no one is calling that slavery. There's arguments for and against decommidification, so I'm not going to begrudge you an opinion on it either way. But wanting something decommodified is just a political viewpoint, not some crackpot feeling of entitlement.
@Map4Territory If people were forced to become police, that would be slavery, though. And people are indeed forced to pay for the police, which is slavery.
The police is not part of the market, anyway. The market is the absence of force. A 'market in force' is a contradiction in terms. The government's sole legitimate function is the use of force in retaliation against those who initiate force.
Ok, so I'm having some trouble understanding what your point of contention is. Maybe you can help me out?
So the government compelling people to pay taxes is equivalent to the act of owning human beings as property? Second, you seem to be conflating multiple uses of the word force together. Your last sentence seems to suggest that government intervention in markets is acceptable if it is to combat violence? Why is that legitimate but any other action illegitimate. Also, you'd still be paying taxes for it, so is that legitimate slavery?
Police not being in the market was literally the point I was making. Their are numerous functions that the government has taken out of the marketplace to varying degrees, teachers, soldiers, police, fire departments, utilities, transportation. It's something we can easily do. Are you opposed to the decommidification of everything? Or just illegitimate decommidification. So what defines legitimate. Not what is, on what basis do we decide?
@Map4Territory I didn't say that forcing people to pay taxes is chattel slavery, though the (false) ethical premise is the indeed the same: an individual's life is not his own.
Why is using force in defence legitimate, while using force in violence is illegitimate? I will answer that question if you want (it will take a long paragraph), but is it really a point of contention between us that violence is wrong?
Government should be financed voluntarily, because taxation is a form of violence, yes. I can already predict your objections to this, but I will let you raise them first.
You misunderstand my point. The police is not something that the government takes out of the market or keeps in the market. A 'market in force' is a contradiction in terms. No such thing exists. A market is what is left when force has been extracted from society. The alternative is anarchy. That illustrates the difference between a police service and a dry-cleaning service, for example.
My objection is that you are using language disingenuously. You are making metaphorical claims, but then treating those claims as literal. So you start off by saying that taxation is metaphorically akin to violence or slavery. Yet the conclusions you come to would only be valid if taxation was literally violence. So what you have created is sentences that sound intelligent but are completely lacking any meaning. For example, you compare the literal violence being enacted on us through potential crime and compare it to the metaphorical violence of an education tax. The similar use of words makes it seem like you have drawn a valid comparison that has pointed to a conclusion. But if you remove the metaphors, there's nothing in your words that could be described as a developed argument.
You can easily replace police with the free market. Abolish the police and allow private security companies to make individual contracts with people.
@Map4Territory Violence is the violation of rights. Taxation is theft, which is a form of violence. Are you disputing the fact that theft is violence? Or are you saying that, if a gang does a particular act (provided that the gang is big enough, relative to the victim), then by definition it is not an act of violence?
Abolishing the police would not be the free market. It would be anarchy. Despite what statists say, violence is no less violence for being committed by the state. And, despite what anarchists say, violence is no less violence for being committed by private parties.
@XOXOME16 If someone has the right to an education, someone else has the unchosen obligation to provide it, hence slavery. You support slavery. You may oppose race-based chattel slavery, but that it just one form of slavery.
Sometimes the violation of rights and theft are violence, but not always. You are still using those words metaphorically. If you claim violence is actually the word for an indigenous bird that lives in New Zealand, I can point out that common usage and dictionaries disagree, but we will never reach a common understanding. You need a common language to reach understanding.
The form of the most basic argument is "Thing X would result in Effect Y, and here are the reasons Effect Y would be bad" or "Thing Z would violate my principals for Reason W" I don't know if you lack the intellect or what, but you seem incapable of making such a statement. Instead you rely on, "Thing X is Metaphor S and we all agree Actual S is bad so it's clear I'm right". It's why you keep getting lost in your own arguments. You started off saying you can't decommidify police. You abandoned that to say we shouldn't. Which is it? And could you finally get around to describe how you define rights?
@Map4Territory Instead of arguing about concepts, you are telling me which words you do or do not like using.
Unlike you, I have made my points very clear. For the government to refuse to have a police would not be the free market. It would be anarchy. I have explained the difference between the free market and anarchy. Is it possible to have anarchy? Yes. Is anarchy good? No. Is it possible to have a free market with no police? No.
Why should I answer new questions that you pose, when you will not answer questions that I have already posed?
Are you disputing the fact that theft is violence? Or are you saying that, if a gang does a particular act (provided that the gang is big enough, relative to the victim), then by definition it is not an act of violence? If the word 'violence' triggers you, use another word, for all I care. You understand the concept. You are simply dodging the question. You're not the first. You're not the last. The MO is always the same from you statists.
Not all theft is violence. If someone embezzles money from a company they worked at, they did not use physical force or the threat of physical force (violence) to take that money.
You aren't debating concepts, you are using cliches and buzzwords that allude to concepts. This whole time I have been trying to basically get two things from you, how do you define rights?(that which you think the government should provide for, according to you) And get you to explain why there is no mechanism to decommodified police. Because without you describing those I literally can't engage with your ideas. They aren't developed enough.
I'd love to return to our original point of contention, over what can/should be decommodified. But you just throw cliches everywhere making it impossible. You think in anti-memes, literally shutting down thoughts the moment you come into contact with an idea.
Also no police does equal anarchy, anarchy does not equal no free market.
Everyone should revive an education, otherwise you're wasteing a resource. Rodin came from a poor family, he couldn't afford to study, so, his sister got a job and gave him nearly all her money, he became one of the greatest sculptors in the history of the world. There's no reason to believe having potential is linked to having a nice sister, unless you subscribe to the Divine Providence theory, so, the odds are there were 100 Frenchmen with as much talent as Rodin of whom we,'be never heard because they didn', t have nice sisters.
Those who are in "radical mode" aren't feminists. If you hate men or put them in a stereotype that they're all pigs, you aren't a feminist and dishonor those who are/have been. Most of the goal has been achieved yes, but not all of it. Thank you for you valid point.
Feminism is needed in moderation. Yes we need it because of how prevalent sexual harassment is. However, we do not need women complaining about the media "viewing them as sexual objects" or the fact women are expected to cook for a man. Gender equality is about choice and that's it.
I view you as a meaningful pursuit, a woman, a being created to be worshiped and loved if she gives me sex as a reward for treating her so good fine but i won't push her into it or view her as a pleasure machine, and i don't care if i have cook for so she doesn't have to work so much, i believe we are equals :)
It's pretty equal here in the USA, any woman doing my job gets the same pay but they never stay long because it's very physical at times in fact we don't have any at the moment working for us in that section of the job , only in the office have they stayed. The stuff you talk about in school never happened in mine back then so I guess it's bad where you went, some places are worse than others, just like the rest of the world has not caught up yet to modern society and living backward ideals from ancient times, but I get and understand where you are coming from
Wow. 5 comments in, and I can already see how damn controversial this whole thing is. Some people are getting so triggered. I think feminism is important as well as MGTOW. A balance between the two is nice. Your take was very interesting by the way. I really enjoyed reading it :)
Feminism is the polar-opposite of femininity... And sure, the dictionary definition of the word "feminism" states that it's about "equality" between the genders, but that's not how it plays out in the real world... The goal of Gender Identity Politics is not "equality", the goal is to drive a wedge between the 2 genders and create a culture of perpetual victimhood... People are much easier to control when they're divided and feeling sorry for themselves.
Hmm except generally the feminist groups operate hypocritically. Like you have to believe all victims, until one of your own are under fire and then you threaten consequences if people take action. They spread messages like all white people are racist, Men are the worlds problems. They have even shut down MRA events, and openly laughed at their problems as illusions. So I would love it to be a group that does fight for what it claims to be, but the only thing Modern-feminism has ever showed itself to be is a hate group.
Modern day feminism is complete bullshit, Complains men rape women (which they don't know men are raped just as much as women are by WOMEN). Lmfao women have it good these days, stfu about being OPPRESSED! Go to Saudi Arabia and protest were WOMEN and CHILDREN are being beheaded! Gtfo here with your feminist bullshit. I fucking love men. Don't marry a feminist, marry a patriot like me ;)
I love men too. I have a boyfriend. I have a father. I have brothers. Friends. What does me being a feminist have to do with men? Oppression isn't a man problem, its a people problem. I suppot rights for men just as much. My main reason to being a feminist is for women in 3rd world countries. If you weren't so illiterate, you would get that. I can explain it to you but i can't understand it for you. Catch up, hun.
Feminists are the equivalent of racists. Its a movement that makes its followers feel empowered and seeks out special treatment and rights. It seeks to silence those who disagree. There should be a mens right group to counter all of their insane lies and bullshit
Try reading it then make a valid argument. Bc im not talking about "f*ck men this" and "f*ck men that". Its real issues that shouldn't be ignored (mostly)
You do know feminism was conjured up for the sole purpose of turning women against men don't you? Everything the average feminist gets wound up about doesn't exist in real life. It's called propaganda. Most of the social issues in this world are media constructs. Skilful editing and sensationalism and outright lies shape a narrative to make the people think and believe a certain scenario, usually one that benefits the rich. Look at 9/11 and the media blitz then. Everybody hates Arabs now and are happy millions in the middle East are dead for the sake of the petro-dollar. They're like the pied piper of hamlet leading rats off a cliff. They don't want the population living in harmony because a fractured populace is easier to control. When they want a revolution and different form of government the propaganda will change and they'll unite the people against one target. It's been going on for decades and you all still suck it up like it's gospel truth
I already have a degree in engineering believe it or not. (From this program for advanced students who take college classes based on engineering during high school, look it up if you want). So keep talking about "real jobs" then when im actually working towards one, tell me why im still the lesser. Bye.
(1) "The fact that I can't show my shoulders or above my knees..." - Well, I think you can't do that because your school probably has a dress code. Not only guys will get distracted but girls, too. You can dress as you desire when you're outside the premises.
(2) "Young girls are often sex Slaves and dont have a right to an education." - The first one has some truth to it if it's sentenced like this: "Sex slaves are often young girls." The second sentence, meanwhile, is absolutely false.
The second part of the sentence os actually true. Do your research before telling me what i say is wrong when i actually did my research and worked on this topic many times. My schools dress code is absurd and its unfair. If you dont think so then good for you
I used to be a teenage boy and I can confirm that slowing sexualy attractive girls to be in the same room as heterosexual boys, or to walk past the window, is a distraction.
Oh thank god it wasn't long and stupid, just a little one. You know why in most countries women don't have rights? Because you give em an inch, they take a mile, talk a bunch of shit, wear vaginas on their heads and push for more. More will never be enough. It's an ongoing perpetual cycle of equal rights petitions. The gays, black lives matter, undocumented immigrants deserve to stay , feminism, transgender etc etc blah blah blah. the only basic human right there is, is to be alive. Education is far from a basic right. keep fighting the good fight there eh.
@Marinite Pathetic shaming attempt. The truth doesn't care about your feelings and the person who tells you the truth doesn't make the truth less true. Someday you will learn this.
@LogicBomber Your choice to defend this incoherent mess consisting of such... intelligent quotes as "wear vaginas on their heads and push for more" says a lot more about you than it does about me.
@Marinite Once again, I never said I support Alex jones... you tried to use him as a shaming tactic. All I said was facts are facts regardless of who they come from.
@LogicBomber I never even mentioned Alex Jones when writing to you... Are you even reading what I'm saying or are you just going through the motions of wasting my time?
@Marinite ok so you mean I was supporting the OP, no Alex jones, but you called him Alex jones because you felt his comment mirrored Alex jones.
His vagina on their head comment was valid... feminist parade around in costume vagina on their head to "raise awareness" so yes I support his statement because it's true.
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You know i was totally gonna bash on everything you said but seems most guys do that anyway.
and about the skirt thing, you can't compare showing skin to wearing a shirt with "suck my dick" on it. girl can wear a shirt with "suck my dick" on it or "eat out my pussy". there is no difference there.
You are basically another one of those "wage gap exists men have too many rights" femininazis that ruined the real feminism.
I want equality, don't get me wrong. Please i hope for men and woman to be equal but i don't want women like you trying to to make men the gender that gets treated the way women got treated man years ago.
The only place the world needs feminists are other countries like the ones with sharia law, lesser developed countries and other countries that women get mistreated. Not countries like in the EU and USA.
Do you want to make a difference? then go to Saudi-Arabia. that would be a good start
My main focus isn't on 1st world anyway. I already said my focus was on 3rd world. Only a few of my points are 1st world. The wage one is just because i like my money and i want the same amount as a man does. Why is that a horrible thing? The thing about the dress code, is deeper than that. I just didn't feed too much into it bc its kinda irrelevant. The other thing about the groping, i just dont like my vagina touched by random people. Thats all. Deeper into my b*tch fit i get into more serious topics. I couldn't start off my rant with "12 yo are sold into sex" type sh*t. I was really just rambling about my opinions and if you dont like it, not my problem. Lol.
What will feminism do about your vagina getting touched and stuff like 12 yo's getting sold into sex. it's already prohibited by law but people will keep breaking the law. they have to be punished but since it's already illegal to do such things feminism isn't needed on those fields is it?
And about the wage gap. It's been fixed ages ago, the only difference there is is that men and women like different jobs.
Its not about laws. Its about influence.
influence for what?
Without reading, i will say what I always say: we still need feminism, yes. The question now is where do we need it? USA? Canada? Australia? West European countries? Not anymore. Women pretty much have most, if not all, of their rights there, equality. Asia and the middle east? Fuck yes. Bring the feMinists here. Women here are still judged on how pretty they are, whether or not they are still virgins, how light their skin is, how thin they are.
Go over seas and fight for those womens rights if you feel so strongly about it. How fair do you think it is that you're protesting about feminism in a 1st world western country that pretty much does have equality for men and women, where they're struggling over there? How big you you. think you really are, when "fighting for womens rights" in the us is akin to walking a straight path on even ground, when people in the middle east and obscure parts of Asia fight an uphill battle? Get off your soapbox and go do something with your "conviction".
Lmao the question is can *you* read? The first sentence, its right there. Do you realize you're typing this post, safely from your secure position a a us citizen and you don't actually have to worry about government sanctioned censure of your words? You're an American preaching about abuse of basic humans rights of women in other countries - again. If you feel so strongly about the way women overseas are treated, do something about that. Regurgitating the same base feminist propaganda doesn't help them. You posting all these mytakes, acting like you're making some kind of a difference with this is useless. Making you useless.
she doesn't listen. 20 people told her the same thing but the communcation with her is one way. She already knows everything
Its a rant byatch. My focus isn't even on America, which I've made clear but you're actually illiterate. I can't go overseas because im an American woman who runs her mouth a shit ton. That wouldn't even f*cking work and you people should know that. I get you're lacking it but Use common sense.
You're using these words but i don't think you really know what they mean. Short of drawing pictures for you, lemme lay it out for you in bullet points. Maybe your limited mind will be able to comprehend his somewhat:
- feminism isn't needed in America, it's needed over seas.
- okay, you made that point
- but unless you go overseas to help them or you start contributing to efforts to help people overseas
- you're just a useless, ranting, sack of shitposts
- no one wants to hear you want because you're a) an American women preaching about feminism when you haven't even been subjected to one third of the things women who actually need feminism have been through b) not saying anything useful or even remotely new c) you are basically just vomiting ideas and shit other feminists had and who are equally useless
Tl;dr op, shitpost better next time.
Did you post this up thinking that everyone's gonna pat you on the back for it? Did you think no one would disagree with you? Or are you saying I'm not allowed to have an opinion? Or are you just mad because i said you're useless because you aren't actually doing anything about your so called convictions because that's me calling it as i see it. If you dont like ot, why dont *you* just move on? Everything you accuse me of you're just as guilty of, except you actually believe you're on the higher moral ground and that is whats hilarious. The only reason i reply is because you're actually imbecilic enough to reply - ofc I'm gonna shitpost on a shitpost, it's not like anything you say is going to help anything anyways so you might as well just provide more examples of how modern day feminists are basically useless and a waste of 20s replies.
Definition of a rant: speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way. Doesn't mean to change the world with words. The point of a mytake is to share an opinion, which is why its on here. But OBVIOUSLY you're too dumb to understand that. Im not mad at anything you said. You're one salty almost 30 yo "lady". Its sad enough that your life is so empty that you go back and forth with a teen over her post. Call it a shitpost if you want. I would like to compare it to yours but oh wait, you're anonymous and irrelevant. You can't literally click on a rant and say "omg you're so useless. This does nothing". Like No shit, biotch. A rant isn't some magical spell that gets rid of the worlds problems. Tf did you expect? Use your brain, little boy.
Oh so lemme tack on "rant" to everything i said, which makes everything better. "i can't literally click on a rant and say you're useless"? I just did. You want to share your opinion that's fine, i just shared my opinion of your opinion and you obviously didn't like it - so what, you're the only one allowed to disagree? Were not allowed to disagree with you? Call me whatever names you want, doesn't change the fact that you're just proving everyone who thinks the majority of modern day feminists are useless mouthbreathers. Because apparently that's all you really do- rant uselessly about how we need feminism but when push comes to shove you don't do anything about the actual oppression going on in the world.
Anyways, you should thank people like me. We make your anger relevant. So you're quite welcome.
Well im not angry so you're doing a sucky job. I never said you couldn't have an opinion. Im saying you knew what it was when you clicked and then you complain. Which makes no sense but i guess thats what people like to do when they have no life? When i said the whole "you can't..." thing, i meant, you're an idiot for even doing that because obviously ranting is useless but thats what mytakes are about so how dumb can you be? Like c'mon, you make it hard for yourself then you make it worse with your stupidity. Also by the way, if you're going to quote me, do it right. So you just assume that i do nothing based off of this one rant? What a smarty pants you are. Gold star for you.
Lmao loved how the first thing you talked about was the wage gap myth. Listen sweetie, there's no wage gap, ok?
Jesus Christ, 4 sentences in and I already got cancer.
No, sir. You do not get cancer. You give cancer. There's a reason the wage gap discussion won't be going away anytime soon.
But--I'm sure the fact that men hold an overwhelming majority of better-paying leadership positions has nothing to do with it. You'd almost think the workforce didn't recover from the centuries of sexism that built this hierarchy overnight, but no. That can't be true. That would be too obvious and rational. Let's go find a Youtube video instead.
@Marinite There's a difference between earnings and wages, learn it, sweetie.
Keep blaming your shitty life on sexism, don't work on becoming better, just keep blaming sexism and your life will get soooo much better :*
You are literally being casually sexist while lecturing me on how sexism isn't a problem.
Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna take advice from trash like you on how to better my life. That makes sense. Christ almighty.
@Marinite i work in a corporate. When i look around, more than half of HR's are women. I dont see men bitching about it. Just because of yoy are a aomen, no one would should give you extra access. Stop generalizing everything.
There are sexists. But that number is low and with a complaint they lose jobs. In fact women use this discrimination argument to rise up the ladder.
Morals you speak of are in stark contrast in real world. Men are not angels and neither are women.
Wage gap is a joke. I haven't seen one in the past 6 years of my experience. Men work very long compared to women on average. Imagine them fetting promoted for hardwork. You can't swallow reality. Always looking for olive branch. Everyone takes advantage of opportunities. Thats capitalism. Adapt or die
Unfortunately reasoning with feminists is like reasoning with a brick wall. they don't move, and lack a brain so they can't learn from the errors in their views.
@Marinite Lmao point out how I'm being sexist xD
Everything is sexist for feminists, that's how they keep their shitty movement going lol grow up
@Marinite I'm being shitty to YOU not to women LMAO this chick
Dude you're not being shitty or sexist. you see feminists can't handle opinions that oppose their own. They also can't handle facts, sourced truth or reality. They are professional victims and narcissists all and simply can't understand reality.
@worldscolide You're right, hence why even most women are against feminist.
Yessir including my wife.. I kinda hit the jackpot with her lol
@worldscolide Lucky you hahaha
"I'm only a jackass to you! ... And that other women over there! Because you care about women! I'm not SEXIST. No."
I don't understand. You're just saying stupid shit to piss me off. Are you some sort of twelvie who thinks he's clever for being able to do that? Real basic shit dude.
@worldscolide Nice bait. Try harder.
@Marinite I'm not saying shit to piss you off, you came to my opinion with a stick so far up your ass you can't even see past your own nose. Why don't you just stop talking and get out of my opinion, I don't wanna talk to someone like you, and you don't wanna talk to someone like me, so why don't do both of us a favor and shut up?
Sure you aren't. You were wrong and I told you why you were wrong. Did I... OFFEND you when I called you out? Did you decide to be a dick because I had a point and you had nothing better to say? Guess I got rused. Shocking. I've never had a jackass trick me into treating them like their voice mattered before. :u
@Marinite I was wrong? HAHAHAH nice try, kid.
Ah yes. Chauvinism. Everyone's capable of it, but it's associated with sexism for a reason. Nice try indeed.
@Marinite Chauvinist why? Cause I called you a kid? Jesus Christ you can't get dumber than this lol nice way to start a Saturday, GAG never disappoints
... Why are stupid people convinced criticism never applies to them personally? Yes, that's exactly the sort of behavior the word chauvinism was created to describe.
Chauvinism. The notion that if you act obnoxiously and aggressively enough, no one will notice you're just suffering from diarrhea of the mouth. Would you like to make provide another demonstration, or are you done?
@Marinite What are you talking about, you don't even have a valid point, you just came in "I'm a feminist blah blah you're sexist blah blah" dude, find something real to fight for, and the come back... better yet, go find someone who cares. I thought you were gonna be gone already.
Shoooo get out.
If you had a clue we wouldn't have a problem. You're only being disingenuous because you're the one without a valid point to make. You didn't even address what I said. You just laughed it up with your precious wittle memes. Internet Trash, kind of the opinions you got off Youtube.
@Marinite Lmao not gonna discuss everyone with an IQ over 50 knows. Educate yourself, or, again, shut up.
I guess this must be one of this situations where you need an IQ of 51 to actually know what you're talking about.
Ale is correct, there is no wage gap and if ther ever is a difference in pay, the true reason is because a man is more likely to negotiate his salary than a woman is. End of story.
@akadatank44 nice facts. Where'd you get them? Out your ass?
You got no sources either, gtfo xD
hbr.org/.../why-women-dont-negotiate-their-job-offers
This study, most women never negotiate their starting salary, which once you start behind the eightball, you always will be behind it.
@Marinite That is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever heard. Why? Why do men have more leadership roles? Because it takes years of insanely hard work and long hours all of which women do not wish to put in because it means they will not get to spend time with their families. That is why women who are single make more money then men who are the same age and single. Once they have a family women's priorities shift from trying to acquire resources to focusing on the family while mens priorities shift to trying to produce as many resources as possible (i. e. money) in order to ensure the well being of his family. Also I find it hilariously funny that you point that out as some kind of sexism but neglect to mention who men also make up 80% of the homeless, and make up almost the entirety of every unpleasant, physically grueling and/or dangerous job out there. Why are you not bitching about there not being enough women who work manual labor jobs? Well we both know why don't we?
The wage gap isn't due to sexism, it is due to the women's choices.
freakonomics.com/.../
John vs Jennifer study
I think Yale University might have more credentials than freakonomics.
@bat0209 but that was an interview with a Harvard professor who studies this topic.
Other countries have different situations but in the Western countries there is legal equality and feminism is mainly about corporate women playing political games to rise up the ladder.
A lot of corporate guys grope men as well as women and nothig is done about it because they are in control mostly, and every corporate woman knows this and plays right along.
So there's no reason to listen when they get upset about being groped just because the guy doesn't have a corner office.
Next time C'thulu whispers madness into your ears, please don't post it online.
@Marinite Who is C'thulu?
Look up hp lovecraft call of cthulhu
You complain about slavery and then you endorse slavery by demanding that education be recognized as a 'right', which means that other people are to be forced to provide it.
You do not have the 'right' to an education or a job or money. Drop the entitlement mentality.
I mean, if we as a society decide we want something to be a right, we can decommodify a market pretty easily. We decommodified police and no one is calling that slavery. There's arguments for and against decommidification, so I'm not going to begrudge you an opinion on it either way. But wanting something decommodified is just a political viewpoint, not some crackpot feeling of entitlement.
@Map4Territory If people were forced to become police, that would be slavery, though. And people are indeed forced to pay for the police, which is slavery.
The police is not part of the market, anyway. The market is the absence of force. A 'market in force' is a contradiction in terms. The government's sole legitimate function is the use of force in retaliation against those who initiate force.
Ok, so I'm having some trouble understanding what your point of contention is. Maybe you can help me out?
So the government compelling people to pay taxes is equivalent to the act of owning human beings as property? Second, you seem to be conflating multiple uses of the word force together. Your last sentence seems to suggest that government intervention in markets is acceptable if it is to combat violence? Why is that legitimate but any other action illegitimate. Also, you'd still be paying taxes for it, so is that legitimate slavery?
Police not being in the market was literally the point I was making. Their are numerous functions that the government has taken out of the marketplace to varying degrees, teachers, soldiers, police, fire departments, utilities, transportation. It's something we can easily do. Are you opposed to the decommidification of everything? Or just illegitimate decommidification. So what defines legitimate. Not what is, on what basis do we decide?
@Map4Territory I didn't say that forcing people to pay taxes is chattel slavery, though the (false) ethical premise is the indeed the same: an individual's life is not his own.
Why is using force in defence legitimate, while using force in violence is illegitimate? I will answer that question if you want (it will take a long paragraph), but is it really a point of contention between us that violence is wrong?
Government should be financed voluntarily, because taxation is a form of violence, yes. I can already predict your objections to this, but I will let you raise them first.
You misunderstand my point. The police is not something that the government takes out of the market or keeps in the market. A 'market in force' is a contradiction in terms. No such thing exists. A market is what is left when force has been extracted from society. The alternative is anarchy. That illustrates the difference between a police service and a dry-cleaning service, for example.
My objection is that you are using language disingenuously. You are making metaphorical claims, but then treating those claims as literal. So you start off by saying that taxation is metaphorically akin to violence or slavery. Yet the conclusions you come to would only be valid if taxation was literally violence. So what you have created is sentences that sound intelligent but are completely lacking any meaning. For example, you compare the literal violence being enacted on us through potential crime and compare it to the metaphorical violence of an education tax. The similar use of words makes it seem like you have drawn a valid comparison that has pointed to a conclusion. But if you remove the metaphors, there's nothing in your words that could be described as a developed argument.
You can easily replace police with the free market. Abolish the police and allow private security companies to make individual contracts with people.
Who tf wouldn't complain about slavery though? That was obviously immoral sicko. And if people want an education then they deserve to have one
@Map4Territory Violence is the violation of rights. Taxation is theft, which is a form of violence. Are you disputing the fact that theft is violence? Or are you saying that, if a gang does a particular act (provided that the gang is big enough, relative to the victim), then by definition it is not an act of violence?
Abolishing the police would not be the free market. It would be anarchy. Despite what statists say, violence is no less violence for being committed by the state. And, despite what anarchists say, violence is no less violence for being committed by private parties.
@XOXOME16 If someone has the right to an education, someone else has the unchosen obligation to provide it, hence slavery. You support slavery. You may oppose race-based chattel slavery, but that it just one form of slavery.
Sometimes the violation of rights and theft are violence, but not always. You are still using those words metaphorically. If you claim violence is actually the word for an indigenous bird that lives in New Zealand, I can point out that common usage and dictionaries disagree, but we will never reach a common understanding. You need a common language to reach understanding.
The form of the most basic argument is "Thing X would result in Effect Y, and here are the reasons Effect Y would be bad" or "Thing Z would violate my principals for Reason W" I don't know if you lack the intellect or what, but you seem incapable of making such a statement. Instead you rely on, "Thing X is Metaphor S and we all agree Actual S is bad so it's clear I'm right". It's why you keep getting lost in your own arguments. You started off saying you can't decommidify police. You abandoned that to say we shouldn't. Which is it? And could you finally get around to describe how you define rights?
@Map4Territory Instead of arguing about concepts, you are telling me which words you do or do not like using.
Unlike you, I have made my points very clear. For the government to refuse to have a police would not be the free market. It would be anarchy. I have explained the difference between the free market and anarchy. Is it possible to have anarchy? Yes. Is anarchy good? No. Is it possible to have a free market with no police? No.
Why should I answer new questions that you pose, when you will not answer questions that I have already posed?
Are you disputing the fact that theft is violence? Or are you saying that, if a gang does a particular act (provided that the gang is big enough, relative to the victim), then by definition it is not an act of violence? If the word 'violence' triggers you, use another word, for all I care. You understand the concept. You are simply dodging the question. You're not the first. You're not the last. The MO is always the same from you statists.
Not all theft is violence. If someone embezzles money from a company they worked at, they did not use physical force or the threat of physical force (violence) to take that money.
You aren't debating concepts, you are using cliches and buzzwords that allude to concepts. This whole time I have been trying to basically get two things from you, how do you define rights?(that which you think the government should provide for, according to you) And get you to explain why there is no mechanism to decommodified police. Because without you describing those I literally can't engage with your ideas. They aren't developed enough.
I'd love to return to our original point of contention, over what can/should be decommodified. But you just throw cliches everywhere making it impossible. You think in anti-memes, literally shutting down thoughts the moment you come into contact with an idea.
Also no police does equal anarchy, anarchy does not equal no free market.
Everyone should revive an education, otherwise you're wasteing a resource. Rodin came from a poor family, he couldn't afford to study, so, his sister got a job and gave him nearly all her money, he became one of the greatest sculptors in the history of the world. There's no reason to believe having potential is linked to having a nice sister, unless you subscribe to the Divine Providence theory, so, the odds are there were 100 Frenchmen with as much talent as Rodin of whom we,'be never heard because they didn', t have nice sisters.
Were you born into a rich family. Did Daddy pay for you to go to university?
Feminism needs to change from "radical mode" to "maintenance mode".
Inequality for women (at least from what I've seen) is not so overt that radicalism is required. Most of the goal has been achieved.
Maintaining this made progress should be the main focus.
Those who are in "radical mode" aren't feminists. If you hate men or put them in a stereotype that they're all pigs, you aren't a feminist and dishonor those who are/have been. Most of the goal has been achieved yes, but not all of it. Thank you for you valid point.
You can't maintain something that's not equal...
Feminism is needed in moderation. Yes we need it because of how prevalent sexual harassment is. However, we do not need women complaining about the media "viewing them as sexual objects" or the fact women are expected to cook for a man.
Gender equality is about choice and that's it.
Idc if im viewed as a sexual object or expected to cook. Jusy dont grab my vagina and there's no problem
I view you as a meaningful pursuit, a woman, a being created to be worshiped and loved if she gives me sex as a reward for treating her so good fine but i won't push her into it or view her as a pleasure machine, and i don't care if i have cook for so she doesn't have to work so much, i believe we are equals :)
It's pretty equal here in the USA, any woman doing my job gets the same pay but they never stay long because it's very physical at times in fact we don't have any at the moment working for us in that section of the job , only in the office have they stayed. The stuff you talk about in school never happened in mine back then so I guess it's bad where you went, some places are worse than others, just like the rest of the world has not caught up yet to modern society and living backward ideals from ancient times, but I get and understand where you are coming from
NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE US OK? thanks bye
I didn't say it was but the rest of world won't change in a day
No sh*t sherlock
Wow. 5 comments in, and I can already see how damn controversial this whole thing is. Some people are getting so triggered. I think feminism is important as well as MGTOW. A balance between the two is nice. Your take was very interesting by the way. I really enjoyed reading it :)
Feminism is the polar-opposite of femininity... And sure, the dictionary definition of the word "feminism" states that it's about "equality" between the genders, but that's not how it plays out in the real world... The goal of Gender Identity Politics is not "equality", the goal is to drive a wedge between the 2 genders and create a culture of perpetual victimhood... People are much easier to control when they're divided and feeling sorry for themselves.
Hmm except generally the feminist groups operate hypocritically. Like you have to believe all victims, until one of your own are under fire and then you threaten consequences if people take action. They spread messages like all white people are racist, Men are the worlds problems. They have even shut down MRA events, and openly laughed at their problems as illusions. So I would love it to be a group that does fight for what it claims to be, but the only thing Modern-feminism has ever showed itself to be is a hate group.
Hell with feminism and their idiotic droning. I'm just here for the 5xper since this crap was the daily featured.
Fine by me. Just gives me more
Modern day feminism is complete bullshit, Complains men rape women (which they don't know men are raped just as much as women are by WOMEN). Lmfao women have it good these days, stfu about being OPPRESSED! Go to Saudi Arabia and protest were WOMEN and CHILDREN are being beheaded! Gtfo here with your feminist bullshit. I fucking love men. Don't marry a feminist, marry a patriot like me ;)
I love men too. I have a boyfriend. I have a father. I have brothers. Friends. What does me being a feminist have to do with men? Oppression isn't a man problem, its a people problem. I suppot rights for men just as much. My main reason to being a feminist is for women in 3rd world countries. If you weren't so illiterate, you would get that. I can explain it to you but i can't understand it for you. Catch up, hun.
Feminists are the equivalent of racists. Its a movement that makes its followers feel empowered and seeks out special treatment and rights. It seeks to silence those who disagree. There should be a mens right group to counter all of their insane lies and bullshit
I couldn't even be bothered reading this shite. You'll just be spewing the usual feminist propaganda without any facts whatsoever to back them up
Try reading it then make a valid argument. Bc im not talking about "f*ck men this" and "f*ck men that". Its real issues that shouldn't be ignored (mostly)
You do know feminism was conjured up for the sole purpose of turning women against men don't you? Everything the average feminist gets wound up about doesn't exist in real life. It's called propaganda. Most of the social issues in this world are media constructs. Skilful editing and sensationalism and outright lies shape a narrative to make the people think and believe a certain scenario, usually one that benefits the rich. Look at 9/11 and the media blitz then. Everybody hates Arabs now and are happy millions in the middle East are dead for the sake of the petro-dollar. They're like the pied piper of hamlet leading rats off a cliff. They don't want the population living in harmony because a fractured populace is easier to control. When they want a revolution and different form of government the propaganda will change and they'll unite the people against one target. It's been going on for decades and you all still suck it up like it's gospel truth
"maybe I need it because i would like to make as much money as a man does and not be denied a job simply for having a vagina."
Then get a real job, like a man does, and don't expect your degree in Commiecrat Propaganda studies is like his degree in Engineering.
I already have a degree in engineering believe it or not. (From this program for advanced students who take college classes based on engineering during high school, look it up if you want). So keep talking about "real jobs" then when im actually working towards one, tell me why im still the lesser. Bye.
You're only 18. You couldn't possibly have any idea of what really goes in in the workplace. Get a real job before you start passing judgement.
@castratedwhiteguy i just said im working towards one. Stfu
You are not there yet, so do shut up.
Well then give us an update after you find your first job...
(1) "The fact that I can't show my shoulders or above my knees..."
- Well, I think you can't do that because your school probably has a dress code. Not only guys will get distracted but girls, too. You can dress as you desire when you're outside the premises.
(2) "Young girls are often sex Slaves and dont have a right to an education."
- The first one has some truth to it if it's sentenced like this: "Sex slaves are often young girls." The second sentence, meanwhile, is absolutely false.
Right. Nicely said.
The second part of the sentence os actually true. Do your research before telling me what i say is wrong when i actually did my research and worked on this topic many times. My schools dress code is absurd and its unfair. If you dont think so then good for you
Eh, if women didn't have a right to education, we wouldn't have women studying in schools at all. That is a no-brainer, miss.
Are you dumb? Like actually? You think because women can study in EU And USA that its everywhere? You're wrong
Oh, then tell me. Which specific countries are you talking about that don't permit their women to enjoy their right to education?
Africa, the middle east, parts of asia. This is basic knowledge. Hell, there was just an issue in India. Catch up
@Cccgala I could've sworn I followed you back. Did you not get a notification from me?
@XOXOME16 I reckon you should catch up. Most of those are continents.
@Lopezz1999 What are you talking about?
Awhile back when I was talking about atheists hiding in the closet? Thought I sent a follow request to you.
@Lopezz1999 I didn't get anything.
I see. My mistake.
You've just earned a follower.
I used to be a teenage boy and I can confirm that slowing sexualy attractive girls to be in the same room as heterosexual boys, or to walk past the window, is a distraction.
Oh thank god it wasn't long and stupid, just a little one.
You know why in most countries women don't have rights? Because you give em an inch, they take a mile, talk a bunch of shit, wear vaginas on their heads and push for more. More will never be enough. It's an ongoing perpetual cycle of equal rights petitions. The gays, black lives matter, undocumented immigrants deserve to stay , feminism, transgender etc etc blah blah blah.
the only basic human right there is, is to be alive. Education is far from a basic right.
keep fighting the good fight there eh.
Thank you for your time, Alex Jones.
@Marinite Pathetic shaming attempt.
The truth doesn't care about your feelings and the person who tells you the truth doesn't make the truth less true. Someday you will learn this.
@LogicBomber Your choice to defend this incoherent mess consisting of such... intelligent quotes as "wear vaginas on their heads and push for more" says a lot more about you than it does about me.
@Marinite Once again, I never said I support Alex jones... you tried to use him as a shaming tactic.
All I said was facts are facts regardless of who they come from.
@LogicBomber I never even mentioned Alex Jones when writing to you... Are you even reading what I'm saying or are you just going through the motions of wasting my time?
@Marinite ok so you mean I was supporting the OP, no Alex jones, but you called him Alex jones because you felt his comment mirrored Alex jones.
His vagina on their head comment was valid... feminist parade around in costume vagina on their head to "raise awareness" so yes I support his statement because it's true.
@LogicBomber thanks dude