#MenToo, the Neglect of Men and How Males and Females Continue to Get Divided by Gender Politics (Page 2)
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I'm a feminist and I didn't understand this a bit.
Men don't get raped? What?
Male vs females. What if I say now that I always want a society that's make AND female as a team? I honestly see more men talking about it.
I have nothing against the biological differences. I do have great issues with how women are underestimated for it.
Regarding the heterophobia thing, I always believed that a real man is a man who can overcome his desires. You're a male yourself do you do know how much mental strength a person requires to do that!
We know it, boys have it hard as well. Both genders do. Feminism is only about the issues that women face due to being said to be something lesser than men. I do not hate masculine men, they can be quite hot. And if a man is not super masculine I have no problem with that either if he's a nice person. Men and women are equal but not identical. I repeat, not identical.
Thanks for reading the rant.
This is what I’m taking about, someone else who refuses to believe that men face just as much problems s women do. It’s very appalling how you refuse to believe men can get raped.
Did you even read my opinion properly?
Men do get raped. I never said they dont.
I never said women have it harder. Both genders have it hard in either ways.
Consult an eye specialist.
Well, the way you phrased made it seem sarcastic.
You guys love feeling personally attacked.
That’s not it, I think wording sentences differently can help though.
I'll keep note of using no rhetoric questions with guys. -.-
Why not? We aren’t dumb?
More feminist victimization. Why can't you stop the attacks against the poor feminists who are just trying to normalize manhating. They only want one thing out of life and you're making it harder for them to have that one thing, that's everything.
You had some good points especially how the media portrays modern men as feminine, soft and clueless.
But you completely droped the ball about women sexually assaulting men. Given me a break dude.
I can understand if it's a kid, but a grown man can't be sexually assaulted by a woman if he is conscious.
Modern men are sissies of men. Period. And #6 proves my point.
Actually men can be sexually assaulted by women, it happens a lot and I explained clearly how it can happen. It’s just that those men don’t come forward because all the gynocentrists will make fun of them.
You sexually assault a man by hanging up on him? Like while on the phone? I'm confused... Can you please explain that?
Also the reason you hear "Girl power!" is not necessarily because anyone is trying to tear down men (depends on the person however) because it's more of a confirmation that girls/women can do certain things that may not have been seen as possible before. Or just not acceptable by society in the past. Also by all "Look at me! I can do this too!" it can be used to try and overshadow their own personal doubts. If a guy yelled "Man power!" for things you've been doing for ages it would be kind of pointless and redundant. Like we all know you can do those things.
*but because
*by being all
Read that part again. I never mentioned anything about phones.
"Like while on the phone? I'm confused" This was a question. I am asking for clarification.
This is what you said " Women can sexually assault men by drugging them, by hanging up on a man, by threatening him of by using prowess to subdue him."
"By hanging up on a man"
What do you mean by that? When most people say they hung up on someone they mean they hung up on them while talking on the phone. Is hanging up on someone have a different meaning where you are from? Because here it means hanging up on the phone.
Explain.
*does - not is
I am simply asking for clarification. Don't thumbs down me jesus christ.
Is there something with your age group that I don't get. Does hanging up on someone have a new meaning. Like fuck don't be a bunch of assholes.
Forget the? marks.
*Forgot
Meant to say “ganging”
Oh my god that makes way more sense now. Thank you.
There, I fixed the typo.
Or if it’s a female high school teacher arrested for sex with one of her male students, all the SJW males say “Where were these teachers when I was in high school”. - Are you sure it was SJW males who said that? It sounds more like something Trump followers say.
Who chose that day for International Men's Day?
Nope, it wasn’t the “trump followers” I looked at their Facebook pages and they have a bunch of pro “Antifa” and far left wing posts.
Ok, that's wrong.
International men's day was replaced by international toilet day.
Seriously,
Sure men are %99 if workplace deaths and dismemberment victims.
They can commit suicide in massive numbers.
They can have third genitals mutilated at birth tie them down and cut on them while they screen. It's not torture if it's a make baby. They don't feel like real humans.
Something we shit in us more important
...
Are you serious? People like you are unbelievable. Spare a thought for all those women who have been assaulted by Harvey Weinstein, and all the other directors/producers that have been outed recently.
Sure, just keep making this about you and your victimhood. It's not. If you're a man who has suffered sexual assault then yes you are included in #MeToo. Otherwise everything you're saying is beside the point.
That “Metoo” hashtag caters towards women not Men. This is what I’m talking about, there’s no sympathy towards men.
Where’s the outrage when a man gets sexually harassed?
That's because most victims of sexual assault are women, so women are the focus of this movement. But no one is trying to exclude men. You're seriously creating a problem out of nothing here.
You woke the feminist victim narrative, now we must all pay for your indiscretion.
Third wave feminism does exclude men in which feminism doesn’t cater to men. That’s why MRA movements exist. Third wave feminism is a gynocentric and misandrist movement.
There's a difference between excluding and not catering to. Yes feminism places women's interest at its center but it doesn't exclude men as long as men are suffering from the same problems.
That’s why I prefer Egalitarianism over feminism. Egalitarianism equally cares about both sexes.
Um ok then
the idiocy of societal people is astounding. something became a hot topic in the news and they use it as an example. what about the millions of rapes caused by women in the world and going unreported and undetected?
@levantine99
What rapes caused by women? Common sense should tell you the vast majority of sex crimes are committed by men.
countless. and most go unreported. if you think thats common sense you lack all common sense then. countless boys raped by nannies, step mothers, mentally ill mothers, orphanage female workers etc. and also adult men are being raped more frequently than you think both from girlfriends and stranger women. but the double standard sexism is so heavy against them in society that they can't report it and not be ridiculed.
@levantine99
They should report it then. I hear people saying they will be ridiculed more than seeing anyone get ridiculed for reporting sexual assault.
The reason why you never hear if male victims is because their cases are never taken seriously so they don’t get publicized.
I don't see what getting your case publicized has anything to do with it. Sometimes these cases are better handled in private. As long as justice is being done.
I’ve never been a victim of sexual abuse but what I’m saying is that men’s cases aren’t taken seriously.
And raspberry's attitude is a great example why.
@Charleslvajr
No one is saying to not take men's cases seriously.
No but you are belittling the hell out of someone who is.
@Charleslvajr
I also said men are included in #MeToo, so I don't see the problem.
Where, show me some proof that male issues are even given credence? Of any kind?
@Charleslvajr
I just did a google search for male sexual assault victims, and there are multiple resources out there for them. So... yes they are taken seriously.
Where and who and how does it match up against the hordes of resources spent elsewhere? Seriously, if you're not just here to bad mouth this man for bringing up the issue or to shit on the people who have experienced this. Show so support, put it out there in case someone actually needs it.
You realize there is ONE shelter that takes male domestic violence victims. The most common answer from people, even police officers, when a man makes a domestic violence claim is, " You let a woman beat you up?" and should he have the audacity to defend himself, HE goes to prison for domestic battery with his name of a registry.
That's ONE shelter in the United States.
@Charleslvajr
He shouldn't drag the Harvey Weinstein situation into his post. That's why I posted in the first place.
I agree Harvey Weinstein is a dung heap to begin with and he made a bad situation infinitely worse.
I hope you realize I have nothing against you personally. Truly.
Raspberry, I made it absolutely clear that I’m not defending weinstein. But I guess people purposely misinterpret things just because they want to argued with someone who had different views than them.
The reason why a lot of men refuse to endorse “metoo” is because it gives off anti-male vibe, since it subtly makes it a “male vs female issue”.
I was watching some tv show the other day in which a female celebrity (forgot her name) said something along the lines “it’s good that women are staring to speak up, not just women but anybody who has been a victim of sexual harassment.” Notice how she said “anybody” instead of “men”. She refused to admit men face the same issues.
@ all of y'all who are asking where the outrage is, claiming men are excluded from #metoo and saying that male victims of sexual abuse aren't taken seriously...
1. If y'all spent even half as much time actually trying to accomplish something by organizing protests, creating campaigns, creating foundations and shelters to donate to for men who have been victims of sexual abuse, etc etc etc, you would have come a lot farther than you are today. The problem I see is that men are only outraged when women are creating campaigns. Yet y'all rarely do anything to get off your asses and actually do something besides whine over the internet.
2. Female victims of sexual abuse rarely get taken seriously too. I've been called a slut and a whore because a man grabbed me without my consent. Women get asked pointless questions such as what they were wearing.
3. Men were very much included in metoo and I saw several posts made by men explaining their stories.
than you have today*
@lumos We actually have to work for a living. After a 60 hour work week, I don't have a lot of time to wander around in a penis hat chanting slogans.
@lumos Maybe if universities offered MENS Studies and gave us all safe spaces. Yeah, that's it. Or, maybe we should get extra time off from feeding our families and paying our bills, yeah with government subsidy, and wander around chanting in penis costumes, with big blue balls. Or better yet, some of the fucking funding women are getting could just be shared, wouldn't that be a hoot.
@Charleslvajr you don't think women have to work too? You really think that all the women who are protesting don't have jobs themselves and they all just live on welfare?
Every day is a mens studies day at school though. There are so many more female historical figures we could focus on and talk about too, but 99% of the time we only read about men and their accomplishments. Women have worked hard to fight for their rights. If you want more rights, you need to fight for them too. Not just whine about how you should be *given* more on the internet.
Why these women didn't do anything after these assaults happened? why Rose Mcgowan took 100,000 us dollars to keep her mouth shut for several years even there were other women being raped? if she care about other women why she took the FUCKING MONEY? because they are all degenerates and corrupted and let me tell you something, these male feminists are the biggest creeps and psychopaths that assault women on a regular basis.
But of course you blame the traditional man instead.
Why a lot of female celebrities choose to be silent at the beginning of their careers about these incidents?
To gain more fame and money on the expense of other innocent women who experienced the same thing.
Note that : I'm not defending these scumbags who rape women ! if I catch a rapist, I will end his life by my bare hands.
@lumos You're right of course. Let's just stop our little civilization completely. A day without women went UNNOTICED by the majority of the country. A day without men would definitely be noticed. Who the fuck do you think it is that keeps everything running in this country, it's not the desk jockeys and whiney feminazi bitches. But that wouldn't work, men are actually raised with a sense of responsibility. I guess that's changing with the Millennials.
Personally if the human race went extinct it would solve all of these stupid human issues.
Of course it would! That is why the secret project of implanting the prime people's personality and memories into superior androids is so crucial. It's running very smoothly I might add, baring small mishaps of some androids tearing apart themselves because of the limited shock a person has of the discovery... Minor details that we are refining.
@MrMysteryMan can't fucking wait. Robots are the next best thing!
I never understood that position. It's just giving up when the going gets tough.
Excellent piece here, maybe it'll change a few minds.
I agree with most of these. As a guy, sometimes I feel discouraged from speaking out against inequality because a lot of people from both genders tell me to "toughen up". That's exactly where inequalities go unsolved.
#MeToo **IS** about men too but I guess you're too busy telling women how we're all horrible to actually listen to ANYONE you think might be a woman or girl
Maybe it's about men too, but it's mainly about how men have sexually harassed/assaulted women rather than male victims such as the young men/boys who came in contact with Kevin Spacey.
Even if it “is for men” It caters towards women, not men.
It wasn't really though. The copypasta that got shared specifically said it was directed at women. Disregarding that, of course there's nothing stopping guys from stepping in with their say, except for all the "derailing" accusations. Disregarding the "derailing" accusations, half the comments from men were about holding men responsible. Disregarding that, there were companion hastags like #HowIWillChange and #HimThough and #IDidThat just so we're not all focusing on women as victims but also men as perpetrator.
Like so many things, on paper it's about equality but most people seem too reluctant to ever let it play out that way.
@Botchie Maybe it's more about women because women are sexually harassed and assaulted more so there are going to be more women talking about it?
@ADFSDF1996 it's for EVERYONE. This is what you always say you want with feminism and equality. Well here's your equality and it's somehow still not enough for you and you somehow still feel this burning need to put down women.
Color me surprised.
@AllThatSweetJazz It really is though
And I'm not reading that wall of text. My screen is way too small for that
For one thing, we don't know if women are more often sexually assaulted, there's evidence to suggest it happens just as frequently to men, but ultimately I don't presume to know. But I never took issue with who said they were harassed more. My issue was with the demonization and parsing out responsibility to 'men in general.'
If you had read more you'd know at least in part why I don't see it as equality and how feminist rhetoric taints the intent.
Literally didn't put down women at all.
It reflects really badly on your position when you do the completely stereotypical sjw thing wherein you plug your ears and recite your m̶a̶n̶t̶r̶as talking points in the hopes that the objection simply goes away.
Consider that when you don't read my argumentation -- let alone object to it -- that people are receiving uncontested information from your opposition. You can't win hearts if you don't show up the the discussion. It's admitting defeat at the startling line.
You refuse to see it from my perspective because of your bias. I’ve already given you proof over and over that feminism does not care about men yet you still refuse to listen.
@AllThatSweetJazz my post isn’t a”copypasta”.
I wasn't referring to your post, I was referring to the #MeToo copypasta.
@AllThatSweetJazz Bro. I just told you I don't read these super long posts.
@ADFSDF1996 How is it biased?
#MeToo is for everyone FACT
That's not good enough for you FACT
You're using this opportunity to put down women FACT
so where's the bias bro? Are you talking about your bias? Because that would actually make sense
I know, that's kinda why I did another long one with a point about why not reading it all is bad.
Basically you lose every argument.
@AllThatSweetJazz Awwww so sad when you boys try so hard but are so wrong XD
You really enjoy the taste of envelopes FACT
See how putting fact at the end of sentence doesn't do anything?
@AllThatSweetJazz They are p tasty
Wrong? I'm obviously right beyond any shadow of a doubt until the end of time and everyone else can see it FACT
It's not like you read it so you can't contest the fact. :P
@AllThatSweetJazz You're just jealous you don't have any envelopes
@AllThatSweetJazz
@AllThatSweetJazz thanks for the clarification
Bellepepper, it is biased because most of publicity goes the females not the males.
@ADFSDF1996 Most of the VICTIMS are women not men. Why wouldn't women get most of the attention?
There’s a good chance that there are more male victims but they stay quiet due to social stigma. As for the male victims who do come forward, are their lives worth less just because they are male?
@ADFSDF1996 Yeah! There probably are more guys who aren't talking! But do you think putting ANYONE down for talking about their assault and harassment helps those people come forward?
I wasn’t putting anyone down, you are simply arguing with me just because you and I have different view points. This take is from the male viewpoint so that explains why you are so defensive about it.
Yeah you are and you KNOW you are. You're misrepresenting the movement and calling women selfish for not doing what you want in the way you want. Why can't you just be honest?
I’m not generalizing women, I’m referring to to the gynocentrists and misandrists not women.
Except we both know you're not...
I’m not generalizing women, all you’re doing is looking for signs of “misogyny” where there isn’t. Why can’t you understand?
LOL this isn't even misogyny. It's pure selfishness
It’s not selfishness either, it’s spreading awareness.
#MeToo is already spreading awareness. So why do you feel like you need something else when #MeToo is already doing everything?
It’s not spreading awareness for males.
Except it IS. JFC you whinge about equality but when you get it it's not good enough for you.
It’s not. And this argument is going in a loop. It’s obvious you and I have different viewpoints, just accept that not everyone will agree with you.
Yeah it is. You're just *selfish* and too misogynistic to admit anything women do is right.
There you go with the name calling. Calling me things I’m not. You really can’t have a civilized conversation with people who have different views can you.
Oh hey have you been to Germany lately? img.buzzfeed.com/.../...buzz-7736-1509577273-6.png
I’ve heard that argument before, it’s a double standard and hypocritical.
Is the argument "I took the one thing that was for marginalized people and made it all about myself"?
That’s not it.
Really? Because that's what it looks like to me
Like I said, you and I have different views. You can’t force me to be a liberal and I can’t force you to be moderate or right wing.
Realizing that #MeToo is about women AND men isn't an ideology issue. It's a basic fucking logic issue.
Are you trying to tell me that because you're... whatever you are that you're somehow exempt from basic fucking logic?
You’re using propaganda. If “metoo” is about men as well, a lot more men would come forward but it’s not. It caters towards women. Keyword: “cater”. It gets even worse when the misandrists use “Metoo” for their agenda.
Look, I’m not saying “metoo” is a bad trend, however, it’s meant mostly for women. What I’m saying is that makes should have their own which would be “Mentoo”.
Men are part of #MeToo.
This is a fact.
Most of the attention goes towards the women when it comes to “metoo” so no it’s not about men.
It's about *everyone* men, women, people who are intersex, who are bigender, people who are trans, everyone.
So as the huge "egalitarian" you claim to be you should be SUPER into this.
I am a Egalitarian but this isn’t a egalitarian cause. You and I are never going to agree on this topic, so let’s just end this discussion here.
How is it not egalitarian? Everyone can participate. No one is precluded.
Tell me how it's not fair for everyone after we have established that it's fair for everyone.
Because feminism is not egalitarian.
How is everyone being included not egalitarian.
Because it puts more emphasis on women and tries to enforce specific roles onto men.
So since more women are attacked and speaking up that somehow means that the people of other genders don't matter?
How do you know there aren’t more men but they are just too scared to speak out? Even if men do speak up, they’ll be neglected. Look at the spacey incident, they briefly acknowledged it and just like that they stopped talking about it. What about the men who’ve been sexually harassed by women, does it not count just because “they are supposed to enjoy it?” There was one incident that was covered on a tv show where they talked about how a woman Kissed a underage male and they just laughed like it was some joke. Reverse the roles and there would be outrage.
People haven't stopped talking about Kevin Spacey and the boys he assaulted. They're part of the larger conversation. But I guess that's not good enough for you.
Feminists are the ones telling people every assault is a problem. Funny how you like to forget that.
It's good enough for women but not good enough for men. What a surprise.
While they may reference it every now and then, most of the media attention goes to the Weinstein scandal. Third wave Feminists only claim to care about male issues only because they feel pressure not because they actually feel sympathy for males. Third wave feminists are the same people that constantly shame males and masculinity but you don’t want to believe that because it doesn’t fit into your narrative.
So instead of arguing with me for over a week, let’s just agree to disagree
You are so far behind it's just plain sad.
It's like you're sitting at a public pool that's open to everyone and saying men aren't allowed in the pool because women are already there. Grow up or admit that you're being selfish and discriminatory
I’m not selfish, I simply don’t think one sex should be on the pedestal. I think both sexes should be treated equal.
yes you are. Otherwise you'd admit when you're wrong
Here's a situation where EVERYONE is being treated equally and you want special treatment
Third wave feminism does not treat or view everyone equally.
stop making excuses and be a big boy and be honest.
It’s not a excuse. It’s the truth. As I’ve told you already, we can agree to disagree, this argument is going nowhere.
It's absolutely an excuse otherwise you'd be able to say I'm right
But you keep insisting on being childish and selfish.
Because you’re not right.
Yeah I am. Otherwise you'd answer me straight out instead of trying to do your sad little "but feminism" sidestep
I’ve already written plenty of takes explaining how third wave feminism is gynocentric, I’ve given plenty of proof that shows the misandrist and gynocentric nature of this movement.
You always start arguments with me just because I openly share my personal views that are different than yours. You can believe whatever you want but so can I. You can’t expect to force everyone to think like you. This isn’t a commmunist world where you can force someone to “support” a ideology.
Bro. Whinging more about the women in the pool doesn't stop the pool from still being open to men. Be a big boy and be honest.
This post isn’t about pool policies, this post is about how gynocentrism, misandry and double standards affect men. Third wave feminism constantly blames masculinity for this and tries to enforce feminine traits in men.
I know you understand metaphors
I do understand metaphors but you are using the wrong one for this post.
Your metaphor is putting words in my mouth, on other words it twists my original words to fit your point of view.
You want to support third wave feminism then go ahead, you have the right to, I’m not stopping you.
But I have the right to not support feminism which means you don’t have the right to force me to support third wave feminism. Hence agree to disagree.
Stomping your foot won't change anything.
As I’ve said, you can’t expect everyone to agree with you.
If it was an opinion but facts are facts
What you state is not a fact, it’s a opinion.
You've even admitted that men are welcome in #metoo so clearly it is a fact
Oh look! What's this? An ACTUAL problem that ACTUALLY needs to be addressed? AND it's guys that are making the problematic comments? Whhaaaat... www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2750027-why-are-so-many-female-teachers-having-sex-with-their-teenage
Guys who make those comments are white knights.
Even if “me too” includes men, men are not it’s priority. It only includes men in order to get some male support not because it cares about men.
*Victims* are the priority of #metoo
They put far more emphasis on female victims than male victims.
Once again. Just because there are women in the pool doesn't mean men aren't welcome
Non sequitur
*not to self: qwerty boy is pretending to be too dumb to understand metaphors despite qwerty boy admitting he understands metaphors all so that he doesn't have to admit to being wrong *
Your using the wrong metaphor here. You clearly don’t respect freedom of speech either.
So now the movement that's totally welcoming to you is suppressing your freedom of speech?
What garbage are you going to try making up next?
It’s not welcoming me. A movement that welcomes me won’t call my gender trait (masculinity) “toxic”. A movement that welcomes men won’t call me “too masculine” a movement that welcomes me won’t use me as a scapegoat, a movement that welcomes me won’t view me as second class, a movement that welcomes me won’t show hostility towards my Sex.
MeToo is people talking about sexual harassment and assault. Leave your baggage at the door.
What do you mean “leave your baggage at the door”? Metoo has a bias that neglects men. It may “support” men but it’s not sincere.
Let’s face it, you are not going to convince me and I’m not going to convince you. So why are you still arguing with me? It’s been over a week.
Because I don't like liars. Especially when they lie to me
That’s not it, you clearly can’t respect other people’s points of view. And I’m not lying to you, I simply have different views than you.
Yes you are lying and you know you are. All I'm asking is for you to be honest. It's not hard. It's even easier than lying all the time :)
I’m not lying I’m simply sharing my views on a specific topic. You need to realize that you cannot expect everyone to share the same views as you do. You need to respect other people’s views even if you don’t agree with them.
and now you're lying to me again...
I’m done replying to this, because you refuse to listen. If I keep replying to you this conversation will keep looping.
Like I said. It's easier to just not lie. Then you don't have these problems
I agree, metoo is also about men.
Men like Benny fredriksson.
Tried, convicted and sentenced to death with a lie.
Dude men get treated like garbage by pretty much every one but their mom and their bros.
It's time to start talking about "You Go Guy" and "Toxic Femininity" for a change.
Amazing take.. Didn't know about the fear-gasm 😨
1. Ghostbusters was already ruined with Ghostbusters II. The reboot didn't hurt it at all.
2. The theater that did the female only showings of Wonder Woman is currently being prosecuted for it so they aren't even getting away with it.
That reboot and Anita Sarkasian is part of the reason Trump had such a wide reach among Obama voters.
I don't understand this whole gender thing. I am just a human trying to take life one day at a time like everyone else. I don't understand all of this division
Alright buddy, I agree with you 100%. But the seriously what the hell are we accomplishing by posting takes on GAG? This might bring some awareness. But how are we REALLY going to change?
men built the nice big comfy world for women to complain about because they have nothing better to do
This is an MRA rhetoric, try not to involve MGTOW in it if you don't know what MGTOW is.
I literally don't care, I trust my instincts on these issues.
The whole social media hashtag isn't going to change anything. It's simply a waste of time.
Beautiful Article.
85% of men in the Worldwide are victims of friendzones.
"Men" that are sissy and don't go after what they want are friendzoned.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy is one finally there 80% of men are victims of Gays/Bis/trans sexual assaults.
Let the female denial and defensiveness flow...
"Men already helped women get fair treatment here in first world countries, now it’s women’s turn to help men overcome misandry just like how these young females stood up for their male peers."
This is very true, but before it will ever happen women will have to acknowledge the problem, and I don't see that happening. You would think women would be more empathetic considering what has happened in terms of gender equality over the last century. I think women are just loathe to let go of the advantages their victim status affords them.