Dear MGTOW Fellas: Here's a Few Pointers to Relieve Non-Existent Excuses

[LittleSally]

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way is a mostly pseudonymous online community supported by websites and social media presences cautioning men against serious romantic relationships with women, especially marriage. The community is part of what is more broadly termed the manosphere.

Now...before reading note the usage of the word 'most'...it's relevant.

1. Most women are straight...

...and they love being in a relationship with men, having sex with them, talking with them, being in their lives.

2. Most women actually like being independent and earning their own wages...supporting themselves.

3. Most successful women like men who make an effort in all aspects of their lives.

There's no sugar-coating this - successful people are attracted to other successful people.

4. Most women couldn't care less about the alpha/beta/gamma/delta crap you're always talking about...

5. Most women and men actually recognize a lot of the qualities in another person upon them meeting.

If someone is off-put by you...there's usually a good reason for that.

6. Societies evolve and things are never going back to the 50's mentality... Sorry.

7. Most men actually also love women as much as women love them.

If you're having trouble seeing that side and their reasons for it - then it's probably you...not them...who is having trouble with this little thing called life.

8. Generalizing all women based on one or two you've met that have rejected you isn't healthy for you or anyone in your life - and it'll only make you more miserable in the end.

Tell me: how do you feel renouncing all women? Come back and tell me how you feel about it in a couple of years...

9. Bitterness is contagious and leads to deeper feelings of despair, resentment, melancholy and anger...but I'm sure you already know that.

10. The thing with marriage is actually KNOWING who you're marrying.

If you choose someone extremely different than yourself who doesn't have the same morals, core beliefs or views as you and if you don't communicate, love each other and compromise you'll never work... This is why divorce happens and how you can avoid ever having to go through it. It seems being cautious and smart these days is a real rarity in people just jumping into marriage.

11. Just because you can't get a women now doesn't mean you won't be able to find a woman you love forever.

She will come...if you put yourself out there more, admit you're not the victim and start seriously participating in reality.

[ThisDudeHere]

6. I will have to correct you on the assertion that MGTOWs want for things to go back to the 50s. They don't. They dislike tradcons (traditional conservatives) almost as much as they dislike feminazis.

7. MGTOWs are a reaction to something they don't like in society. Telling them yet again to just "look at them selves" is shifting blame. Look at it this way. Would you think it okay if 1st wave feminists were told that their ideas of "achieving equality" were fallacies that resulted not in some perceived social disadvantages but because they weren't "looking at themselves enough" and just accepting things for what they were? I doubt it. MGTOWs are the same. They did the self reflection and have concluded that life with modern western women is just not as beneficial as western women make it out to be.

8. Intellectual dishonesty. A MGTOW is not some wuss who couldn't take one or two bad recetions from a bitch. A MGTOW is typically a guy who either has noticed society's skewed favouritism towards women, from quotas to laws, to media and thus adapted in his own way, or has directly experienced it by going through maybe one or more rough divorces where he not only lost half of his shit but also had to pay the bitch to "sustain her way of life" which is an archaic rule from a century ago when it perhaps still made sense due to women not earning much at all, which is long since no longer the case.
And this all is alongside the fact that a lot of women want to whore around and then expect some good guy to come for them. Or they hide their whoring, tricking a guy into thinking that she's good when she has been used instead.
And is it sexist to look at promiscuous women this way? Perhaps, but that is how male sexual selection of women works and has always worked. No way around it. No matter how feminism claims that a promiscuous woman has a lot going for her, a man with a spine and standards will not want her. The problem nowadays is that more and more women ride.
Also, I will reassure you that most MGTOWs will come back to you in those few years and say that they are as happy as they can be. At least the ones I observed seemed to be so.

10. The problem with marriages is that time and time again it is proven how many women (men as well but were not talking about them now) see the period leading up to marriage as the period in which they have to present the most idealistic image of themselves but when they finally snatch their prey, their true colours come out.

[ThisDudeHere]

11. Why is it that they have to live speciffically in your version of "reality"? Who is to say that yours is better? In their eyes, your reality in modern days is essentially a game rigged against them and all they are doing is reserving their right to not play the game.

[ThisDudeHere]

Also I would like to add that I am not a MGTOW myself but I have been observing and studying the idea (because it is not a movement, it can not be paralleled with feminism in that way) and have concluded that they are not the alternative to feminazis that everyone claims them to be.

[somewheresomeway]

I got in a good conversation after my jiu-jitsu class with two average guys like myself (around the same age) about feminism. It started after I joked that half my FB friends got engaged around Christmas and both guys were like were like BAD IDEA.

One guy has been in a legal battle for his kid for the last 9 years. In the beginning, the courts favored the mother of course, and he only got to see his kids for a couple of hours a week on a sofa (I'm guessing it was supervised). Now the kid is getting older he saying he wants to spend more time with his dad than his mom. But dad was forced to stay legally out of the picture in early years of his kid.

Anyway I'm hearing more and more guys who want to stand up to this feminist bullshit. But we are afraid to do it openly. I think our traditional "patriarchy" system of giving women leeway to openly whine, go hysterical and act overly emotional empowered feminists to scream their lungs out... and most men would

[somewheresomeway]

just roll their eyes. We UNDERESTIMATED what this would end up doing to society.

Now we want to fight back but many women (and some white knight dipshits) will quickly dismiss us like the take owner. I also think that many of us also worry about being labeled whiny bitches and our chances of getting laid will go down.

Question is, how do we effectively take a stand?

[ThisDudeHere]

@somewheresomeway I think the only way to do it is to make sure the younger generation that will soon or is already entering adult hood agrees with us an not them and thus they will be the force of change. Why was feminism successful? Because women actually are more active voters than men, unfortunately - and politicians support feminazi agendas not because they agree with those, but because it's just the way they can survive as politicians - by appeasing their votes which, as I said, are more female than male.

If we make sure the younger generations of boys/men are politically active AND disagree with modern feminism, men can have a normal future again because the politicians will want to appease this new mass of men.

[ThisDudeHere]

Though that's just my two cents.

[somewheresomeway]

That's very true. But feminism goes beyond politics. It's getting taught a very young age in our public schools and through entertainment (of course we had a dyed haired female commander in Star Wars). We also got these white knight libtards who are agreeing who gleefully enjoy being emasculated.

[LanaTrix]

And why does it bother you so much? I don't see the point.

[BrittBratt2416]

Guys make these type of mytakes all the time so why is bothering you?

[LanaTrix]

@BrittBratt2416 Do they? Ok

[ksoma]

1) nothing about this point suggests that woman do not take advantage of men. Would you use the argument "most men are straight" to suggest that males preying on women is an unrealistic fear? Of course not.

2) this thoroughly immaculateness men. Many men find the best way to show they love someone is to support them. Many men, if they are not supporting and providing for the woman they love, wonder if they are actually NEEDED, and are afraid they are disposable. While MGTOW are afraid of being taken advantage of, and cleaned out, by women, that does not mean they are relieved to hear "don't worry, we don't need you to survive." However...

3) This utterly counters point 2. Women want a man on a higher level than they are. This is fact. Women with high education say their biggest dating problem is finding a man as or more educated than they are. Women who earn well say their biggest problem is finding a man who earns as much or more. Despite your claims of 2, women ALWAYS want a man on a high social level than themselves. A man making 6 figures would date a waitress... even marry her.
A woman making 6 figures would be shocked, appalled, and disgusted if some peasant who made $17 an hour in a restaurant had the audacity to ask her out.
This is a major MGTOW problem: women expect a man to be AT THE VERY LEAST her equal, and prefers a man to be her better (not moral superior, I mean better off financially or intellectually). Men tend to not place any such imposition on women.
So you are simultaneously making a post about how men should man up, because their fears are unfounded... while also saying "if you don't meet out standards, you are trash."

4) Watch a man cry, for any reason, and women relentlessly mock him, or get disgusted by his behavior, and you see that is bullshit. I bet almost any man who has the courage (or weakness) to allow his emotions to break out, and to cry in front of a woman (be it a stranger, friend, or significant other) over anything less than a death of a loved one, will be mocked.
I've known women who would break into hysterics over the smallest things, who broke up with guys because after a bad day at work, he cried, and she thought he was weak and pathetic.
So excuse me for saying "fuck you, but no," to that line of shit.

5) Actually, studies have shown most women make up their minds over whether a man deserves any of their attention or not, in under 3 seconds. Also, women make games out of shutting guys down.

[ksoma]

6) The 50s mentality never existed in reality, and most men don't want it anyways. This is a bullshit point. Next.

7) No shit. Most MGTOW men ARE MGTOW because they loved a woman, and she ripped his fucking heart out.
You're mistaking MGTOW for PUA and men who seem incapable of affection.

8) actually it is generalizing based on personal experience, experience with friends. Co-workers. Our fathers and uncles. Overhearing stories women tell each other about how they fucked over their exes, etc.
Most MGTOW admit that, chances are, most women are decent people. The fear isn't that women are bad, it is that IF a woman CHOOSES to hurt him, there is little he can do to prevent it or protect himself. His home, his money, his KIDS? All hers. Women are ENCOURAGED to make claims of physical or sexual abuse in divorce proceedings (even if knowingly false). Lawyers have been DISBARRED because they didn't encourage women to claim abuse, falsely.

[ksoma]

9) you say this point as if you care? Any man who feels such bitterness or despair generally feels that women, as a class, either don't care, or that they rejoice in it. So saying "you'll be unhappy!" rings hollow, to men who either assume you don't actually care, or that it is better to be miserable and alone, than a victim of false happiness, and then destroyed.

10) do you have any idea how many men have married, and then the person they spent years loving turned into a different person?
Or, let's look at a woman's view. Do you know women who have stayed with a bad guy because they were afraid no one else would want them, or they were just scared of all the work that goes into starting over?
Men end up in the same boat.
And if there are kids in the picture? He has no choices. If he wants to be a father, he is stuck marrying.
And women trap men with kids. Man slips off a condom? Sex is now rape. Woman sabotages a condom? Legal.

[ksoma]

11) MGTOW don't give up because they can't find a woman, or because they are worried they won't fall in love.
MGTOW give up because they choose to find happiness in a market that they find to have a much lower, more tolerable degree of personal risk to them, than heterosexual relationships.

And I find it hysterical that the same feminists types who live by the mantra of "I'm a strong single woman who don't need no man," or "women need men like fish need a bicycle," find it so necessary to berate men as pathetic little faggot failures, because that man has made the personal choice to not involve himself romantically with women.

Who the fuck are you to judge a man for that? Especially when women who make a mirror of that choice are celebrated?

And I say all of this, ever last part of it...
As someone who is not now, never has been, and has no intention to ever be, MGTOW.

I want sex. More than that, I want romance. I want a marriage and kids and a life together. But I get MGTOW.

[LogicBomber]

Trying to suggest MGTOW is about "bitterness" is nonsense.
Yeah, of course, there will be some whiners who latch on to MGTOW because of the core beliefs of MGTOW, but the core beliefs have nothing to do with bitterness, it simply is expecting women to be adults and stop using men for finance and protection. Essentially expecting women to be treated like they treat men and take responsibility for their actions and themselves.

When you state that women don't want men for money or stability, you are simply not right.
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Women want men's money. Period.
70% of UK women say they would change their minds about leaving a man if he won a lottery.
http://news.BBC.co.uk/2/hi/health/1513729.stm

78% of US women said a partner with a steady job was the most important trait.
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...rates_n_5878662.html

75% said they’d have a problem with dating someone without a job. Only 4% would go out with an unemployed man.
endoftheamericandream.com/.../the-number-one-thing-that-women-are-looking-for-in-a-husband

Men earn 61.5% of all income but only account for 25% of domestic spending.
In contrast women makeup 38.5% of all income but control 75% of domestic spending, women on average spend 90% MORE MONEY THAN THEY EARN.

Women initiating divorce between 66% and 90% of the time.
Because once a man stops being useful to the female, no amount of "love" will make her stay and by leaving him she will still get most of his stuff.
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...our-d_b_2341955.html

MGTOW's premise is that it doesn't benefit men to have women in their lives and this is proven in almost every statistical account. Females benefit from men even when they leave them. Men do not benefit from having women in their lives, especially after they leave.

Which is why few successful males have ever gotten there while a female was in his life.

[Shadow44]

Not a mgtow, but I'll probably be lumped in with the group of them anyways, but whatever. I'm not against relationships with women, and I'm not bitter. I've had a few relationship in the past and dating has its pros and cons like everything else in life. I'm not sure if I ever want to get married but at this point I'm leaning more towards not and it does have to do with the way the unfair court system is in terms of divorce, child custody and child support. It doesn't take much to see that and men have been raising their voices about it for a long while now but nobody seems to care.

A man can bring up these problems with the court systems without saying anything sexist toward women and without bitterness and he's just labelled a misogynist. If men get together to talk about their problems or raise awareness then there's usually a group of feminists not far away that try to ruin it, protest it, and slander it. This is where I think bitterness is spread. The fact that nobody cares and everyone tries to demonize a guy for coming out and talking about issues affecting his gender leads to bitter MRA and bitter MGTOW (No not all of them are bitter) that weirdly enough spew the same hate back.

The difference between me and the other two, is that I have no negative views of women as a whole. There is a percentage of women who aren't the best of people (as with men too), though they aren't all women (or men).

The thing with marriage is that people change and lives tend to go in separate directions. It's unfair to punish one party (the guy usually but odd cases the girl) for a divorce while rewarding the other. This is why I don't want to marry or live with a woman because where I am common-law marriage is a thing. If you truly love each other you can get around living separately without a piece of paper. Plus with not wanting kids, it makes no sense to marry.

As for dating, life's unfair and difficult for both genders. I'm currently not dating because I'm hapier doing so and I'm putting work towards myself and stuff in my life that I know will be around in 5-20 years from now. A girlfriend may not no matter how great the relationship seems (and this is what I learned the hard way). If a girl come around and we click I'd give the relationship a shot.

The thing is mgtow is a reactionary movement to society and the expectations of men from what I've seen. You don't need a relationship/marriage and kids to be happy and fulfilled in life.

[Shadow44]

And not needing a marriage/relationship and kids to be happy and fulfilled in life is a good message for anyone, man or woman alike.

[BrittBratt2416]

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Thank you, mgtow is nothing but the male version of feminism. It's just a bunch of bitter men who are mad about their failures with relationships and women. These men are hurting and they are only encouraging to continue to hurt themselves and to hurt other men in their lives and relationships. It's not healthy for these men and I've said the same thing about extreme feminism, it's nothing but anger and hatred being spread like a uncured diseased that's just ruining the lives of these men and women. Misery loves company and it will try to absorb anybody who's willing to be taken over basically. These so called movement by these extremism are hurting society, it's hurting marriage and it's hurting the family, these people are the cause and rise of societal collapse. It's never so suppose to be female vs. male, we're a team and we're designed to come together as one and be as one. A unity, this is God's plan from the very beginning and we are spitting on that yet wonder why marriage and relationships are constantly falling apart. And it's true, people are getting into relationships with the wrong people out of loneliness or lust and that's a dangerous thing. My parents were born in the 60's and got married at 19 and are still together to this very day, why? It was different time back then, people use to actually work on their relationship TOGETHER and over come the obstacle in their way. Now it's o we can't figure this out together cause we don't want to, time to get a divorce or break up. People don't know how to communicate or just simple don't want to cause they want to live in fantasy world were everything is perfect. Yes, never having to deal with relationship problems is something everybody wants but it's unrealistic and doesn't challenge you or help you grow as person or your relationship either. But truth be told, mgtow is just and internet thing, most men in the real world don't even know about mgtow or could give 2 shits about it either cause they are still engaging in relationships with women, happily getting married, and having children.

[BrittBratt2416]

I'm also getting tired of women being blamed for the mistakes of the court system. If you want things to change, then voice your opinion and tell them how it's effecting men negatively. Tell them how it's screwing over men and not making it and equal balance for both parties to survive.

[LanaTrix]

God is not real tough.

[BrittBratt2416]

@LanaTrix That's what you think, to me and other people God is real. Also...

Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none that doeth good.

[LanaTrix]

God bless you

[AllThatSweetJazz]

1. Okay... your point?

2. If that Belle Estreller quote is interpreted as you being a wolf what wants to eat my flesh then yes, maybe you should do some taming.

3. Again... your point? Women care more about successful men than men care about successful women, let's be real.

4. Yea, it's kinda bullshit, but the hypergamous behaviour that birthed it has basis in reality.

5. Not the problem, but okay. Also, it's not necessarily that there's something wrong, only that there's something they don't like.

6. Nobody is asking to go back to the 50's... sorry.

7. Well that's a complicated detail isn't it? We have to wonder about the nature of such love and wonder how it expresses itself. Big issue in this whole thing is that too much destructive behaviour has been witnessed and society does a shit job against protecting men against it. Loving women too much can be stated as part of the problem as well; they often become pedestalized and men break their backs feeling like that's what it takes to pry meaningful intimacy and affection from women. There's a great cost that comes with basing personal satisfaction in life on women's approval.

8. Thinking it's about women rejecting them is a mistake. You don't know what you're talking about. But even so, it can be a valid reason can't it? It could be choice between a known albeit not ideal outcome which you make the most of or you can have your hopes continuously lifted and crushed not knowing when or if it'll stop or stay gone. It's a realistic choice they're making given the circumstances, it was never meant to be a sustainable course of action for humanity.

9. Hence the point of letting go.

10. As if they didn't. But even if you don't know really, that doesn't mean it should be the *only* line of defense against someone screwing you over.

11. Some found many women and kept getting screwed, but again wouldn't the rejection premise be valid anyway? Your words are a dream, technically realistic over the course of a lifetime perhaps, but again, how long can a guy withstand that, especially without looking inward and focusing more on himself than on women? Do you understand the cost of trying to live by your point? It can be... *quite* taxing. You don't need to be a "victim" of other people or have something wrong with you have (perpetually and enduringly) shitty experiences. If participating in reality means traversing a rickety rope bridge over a fit pit then I don't see how we can blame someone for sitting tight

[Immortal_God_King]

Not all women are horrible, true.

I have had a girlfriend who didn't cheat on me or make me seriously wish there was a pill I could take to be either gay or asexual.

Read that again... *a* girlfriend. I've had, oh, let's just say a few more than one... and that was THE one that didn't make me wish that.

But sure, not all women are awful. I mean, I did deploy with 28 soldiers who were married, and every one of their wives cheated. That was just my first deployment... believe me, about military wives alone, I could write a book.

I know a guy who would have done time for a false rape accusation if he didn't have witnesses to say otherwise, who would have paid child support for a kid that wasn't his in a false paternity scam from an ex who KNEW it wasn't his, and whose ex wife left him for a drug dealer... the same drug dealer she blew all his money on.

And that's just ONE guy I know. There's the one who committed suicide after his ex sent him the used condom she let another dude fuck her with. The one who committed suicide amid the utter ruination of his life thanks to a false accusation of child molestation. The one whose ex denied him visitation with his kids for 5 years...

Let me just stop before this becomes a novel, because I have examples like this for days.

Know what I don't have? Any more than one example of a married man who is happy that he is married. And that one? If you saw them interact, you'd swear it was 1905. He is in charge. And guess what? She is happy as a whore when the fleet comes in.

So no, indeed, not ALL women are horrible. But then again, manufacturing mistakes get made, so not all grenades explode. I'm still not pulling the pin and then sitting on it to find out if I got the one in several thousands that is a dud.

[Lonerguy1234]

Can I like this comment more then once? Its funny as hell and true

[Immortal_God_King]

@Lonerguy1234 I can't comment more than once, but I can troll the shit out of all the cunts and white knight cucks by replying to theirs.

[somewheresomeway]

you act like MGTOW is such a powerful force and a huge threat to our society nowadays. When is the last time you saw thousands of men marching and protesting equal rights all the while wearing penis customs (remember the vagina costumes?)

Since women are always up in arms about men throwing blanket statements on feminism in general (radical, moderate, modern, etc.) maybe you should know that MGTOW stands for.

It means Men Going There Own Way. It's about men focusing on what's most important in there lives... and then doesn't involve women. This is quite different than MRAs.

In the grand scheme of everything MGTOW/MRAs don't even hold a candle to the political power of feminism. Feminism is completely infiltrated public education, entertainment, laws & statues and western society in general. MGTOW/MRAs were started to rebalance things and point out feminist hypocrisies. This doesn't mean going back to the fucking 50s (as so many feminists automatically accuse us). It's about being fair. Modern feminism is ANYTHING about equality. It's about being special just because you have a vagina. THAT is what we are sick of.

[Onlythisone]

As someone who knows a lot of real life people who went through a mgtow phase I don't think telling them anything on the internet will make any difference. It is solely self perpetuating and when guys start taking care of their lives it almost immediately falls away. My boyfriend is an alcoholism sponsor, most of the men he deals with are recently divorced, lost their job, house, everything, and instead of focusing on how they destroyed it (through drinking) they look for someone else to blame and the internet gives them answers. The funny thing is that after hanging out with real people, working alongside them and getting their life back on track it fades away. Most of these guys who a couple months ago wanted to avoid women wave to me and run up every time they see me, excitedly tell me all the good stuff that has happened in their life and how awesome things are going, completely forgetting that a few months prior they told me women are all scum that just want to use men and are only good as fuck toys. Lol that's the human condition.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Not bad at all! I used to like MGTOW tbh. It's definitely sank to record lows now. May I add that men and women should probably work more on fixing themselves before they base so much of their lives on each other? Women understand women best. Men understand men best. Men need to get more bro time for bros sake that has no talk of women whatsoever and girls need the same of vice versa. I really think this kind of thinking would help a lot. Anyone else agree? I may want to add in particular, if men's rights movements could actually focus on MEN and MEN's rights, that'd be REALLY wonderful! You don't see feminism mentioning men much unless they mention men's rights for men's sake. But a lot of times, the men's rights movement, MGTOW, etc. all have a focus on bashing WOMEN. That's like a fan group of Batman starting specifically to diss superman fans! Batman fans form groups to mainly discuss BATMAN. Why should Superman bashing be involved unless it's called the Superman bashing club? But realistically, no men's club is literally going to call themselves the women bashing club unless A) They want to show off their sexism (which since these are often guys angry they haven't got laid, couldn't work because it'd blow their chances and B) it's not a men's rights club anymore but just a dumb troll group nobody likes.(For the record, men usually wouldn't show their sexism in front of women because they know for a fact it'd get in the way of getting laid, so they keep it behind closed doors and with diff names as to not get caught as easily) Wake tf up people!

[NerdInDenial]

1. I never heard MGTOWs accusing all women being lesbians, not sure where this came from.
2. Women want the easiest route and the biological clock is always ticking; thus, women don’t work as often as men, hence the wage gap. Women don’t really want to work. Look at the productivity between men and women at work. Why are men’s desks “dirtier?” Men have to work during lunch.
3. At least you’re admitting hypergamy is a natural instinct for women.
4. The dominance competition amongst men is instinctive as well. Women want a confident, dominant man to take charge and “ to man up”
5. Women recognize the man’s earning potential and men recognizes women’s ability to give birth.
6. The thing about the 50’s is men had authority over their family. There was harmony; now, women just want everything without any of the responsibilities.
7. Women and men love each other differently. Men expect honor and loyalty. Women’s heart can change on a drop of a dime. Hence 7/10 divorces are initiated by women.
8. Generalizations are based on thousands of case studies; that’s the difference between those who live in reality and fantasy: observable reality. Using the scientific method; many men have seen marriages as a lose-lose situation. It would be great if everyone had a happy ending but those are just fairytales seen on Hallmark channel.
9. This is the classic shaming tactic. You can’t be angry because that just makes you bitter. In any grieving process, people become angry but eventually they move on. It’s healthy to get angry.
10. Refer to the thousands of gynocentric laws in regards to alimony, child support, child custody, and divorce laws. Even prenuptial agreements cannot save you. Trust fund? That’ll work against you too.
11. Th misinterpretation of MGTOW is that if only a good woman were to enter their lives, they would hop back on the plantation; however, the laws are against men. Marriage is not worth it.

[SlavicAmericanGuy]

I think MGTOWers are misdirecting their legitimate revolt and maybe they're affected by persecutory delusions, some of them even have the same double standards that they are blaming on women.
There's a PLENTY of good women everywhere. They just have high standards to avoid being with a loser. Men should hard work on improve themselves and put the cards on the table;

Then do women want a men who have a good job, a nice fitted body, who oozes confidence? OK, this is good for our well being and we should meet their expectations too. But women should meet OUR expectations too. We don't want a moocher, or a whore who have been riding in a cock carousel and now proclaim that she is "seeking the right one to settle down", or a single mom. Or both partners in a couple have to improve theirselves before the relationship, or they should accept the fate of that they don't deserve what they want.

My advice for MGTOWers is: stop demeaning women with that philosophy, be the best version of themselves and just accept women who are the best version of theirselves, they exist either. If women don't have higher standards, they would end up with a deadbeat and all of us will condemn her. We not should throw women in a catch 22 morals, we should respect women and keep distance from the troubled ones.

Women are not the enemy. The enemy are the provider husbands who accept sham marriages and the cucks who prostitute their wives. These guys are lowering the general standards by accepting the trash of the trash of women and they are besmirching the male honor. They should be hunted down like rats for what they are doing.

[WhistleForTheChoir]

I mean, sometimes I see guys from this movement posting sexist shit and standing on anti-feminist (or whatever the term is) soap-boxes and generally being little fuckers.

But at its core, the "movement" seems like a good idea. Men who are voluntarily forgoing romantic attachment is a GOOD thing. For one, there are just less straight women than straight men. This is just a fact: infanticide in Asia, higher male birth rates + medical revolution = 106 male/100 female ratio, and more lesbians than gay men, all means less straight women, more straight men. So there isn't a 1-to-1 ratio like some might assume, meaning some straight men are naturally going to be left out in the cold.

I mean, I know I'll never be able to fall in love. It's not because I hate women; I was raised almost exclusively by women, I've had mostly female roommates, a lot of female friends. But as far as dating goes, I'm just not what women are looking for. And it's a bitter pill to swallow; a very hard thing to accept, ya know? But I don't blame myself, and I definitely don't blame half of the human race, because that would be silly lol. I don't know much about the MGTOW, but it helps to know there are other people out there in the same boat as me. Maybe they even have advice for people who are trying to forget about the romance thing. I don't know, I'm not an internet guy lol.

Are they all so terrible? I guess I don't understand the hate they get when all they're supposedly about is, "We aren't going to get in relationships anymore." I say more power to them lol.

[PhilosophicalBull]

I've been observing MGTOW for awhile now.

Their first, last, and usually middle talking point is the blatant unfairness of the divorce/child support system. It is so bad, I have even seen hard-boiled feminists admit "yeah, that isn't fair."
The state has no qualms driving a man into bankruptcy, onto the street, and into the waiting arms of either prison or suicide.
Over and over MGTOW harp on about this. 5 minutes on any MGTOW forum or channel and you will see it mentioned multiple times.

In 2014 Helen Smith Phd. Wrote a book "Men on strike" spelling it out, plain as day.

And yet, people who wish to argue with them pretend as though this is a concept that no-one has brought up. It is the central axiom of their grievances. Yet no one who disagrees with them will address it.

If you cannot (or will not) address this issue, I can tell you, you are just wasting everyone's time.

[disgustingweebtrash]

MGTOW is a reaction to the newly developed self-entitled bitches that live in society who desire the world to give them the world and also a reaction to feminism itself.

It is the same self-entitled bitches who accuse all MGTOWs of being bitter.

If your whole life and everything you had worked for had been ruined because of one marriage you would be bitter too, but this isn't possible for women as the courts and society itself is largely in favour of women. Some are not those who had bad marriages, some noticed the sense of entitlement and hypocrisy early on and avoid women completely.

I am myself not MGTOW but I can understand as to why this movement formed.

The take you have written is ignorance in it's purest form, you have not done any actual research and merely wrote a myTake to cash grab XPER

[Lukej044]

Haha what a crock of crap. Divorce is initiated by women most of the time , men are more likely to commit to Jill themselves. girls want a nice guy and love? 😂😂 as soon as you do this they lose al interest. Also try and be a redhead male and see how women treat you.

I had one friend who slept with a widow a week after her husband said passing.

I'm willing to love and look after a women but they als have to bring something to the table instead of just looks and selfishness

I even had my own mother remarry after 4 months after my dads death and basically told me and my siblings to get stuffed.

Where my dad was a working man always did right by others , he came from a housing commission background and worked he's way up in the corporate world to be on a 200k a year and my mum grew up in a feminist type of house hold and was given a lot more.

It stuff like this why i don't trust women

[windknowsmyname]

No.8
So women dont play hard to get after a break up, women think all guys are jerks cause there 1st cheated on her, so you mean to tell me that its okay for girls to use the " if things ain't going right it must be him ( mgtow)" while not looking at the fact that she such as yourself generalize everything about both genders. Awe so its okay.

9.
I agree. Men let women do too much thus why they have such freedom to hit guys, spead feminism, pass laws that benifits women and other things. Imagine guys only want whats right for us. I tell you. Society would change.

11.
I agree... nothing to say about that.

[Margillard]

Nope not convinced, men have weighed the cost/benefit analysis and have opted out of longterm relationships with women. It is the new millenium baby girl.
www.avoiceformen.com/.../
www.foxnews.com/.../why-men-wont-marry.html

[passinby]

Not a MGTOWer but I don’t see any issue with them. They are not like feminists trying to force their political agenda on me and change the way everybody lives and who has what rights and trying to basically turn me into a socially Marxist paid slave. The MGTOWers are off on their own so just avoid them if they bother you. Your take almost sounds like some guy dumped you to go off and become a MGTOWer lmao.

[BlondeBlueEyes84]

Too late. WAY too late. Even though only a minority of White men have ever heard of the term MGTOW itself, the majority of White men ARE in fact MGTOW.
That's why White men never hit on women, never ask them out, never cold approach them, never ask for their phone numbers. Nah, it's over.
The only women remotely fit for relationships nowadays are East Asian women. The rest of you... "women" can just settle down with ugly, disgusting Black and Brown "men", haha. That's what you can get have to take.
You know, I LOVE seeing White and other non-East Asian women lose all their self-esteem and self-worth, because we White men don't want them anymore. I LOVE seeing them broken, settling down with these fugly, puke-inducing Black "men".
It's what you DESERVE! ALL OF YOU!
You women will NEVER destroy us White men. We will destroy you FIRST!

[DodgersGM]

I pity you for all the hate you carry in your heart. I hope you can find peace some day.

[Rainie_]

Sorry to burst your bubble but every single point of yours is false 😂

[Tiger6960]

Neo Nazi biatch there are plenty of ethinics and blacks who are Mgtows, Most of you white cucks are Antifa faggots

[gobsmacked3]

MGTOW is like any other label that is so rampant in this age.

The bastion of insecurity. in regard to so many ( in this case mostly young boys) who struggle to accept responsibility for their own inadequacies. Instead, they point the figure at anything/everything to try to conceal these inadequacies. It is always about women, never about them.

Away from the Net where they can hide under 'anon', they stand out like dog balls for their foibles/frailties

bottom line, women are AWESOME, and a self assured man never has any issue with them

In fact, ordains them;

' Matica Hrvatska' ;)

[Margillard]

Fill your boots.

[BraveHeart97]

So when a man gets cheated on, that means he was "inadequate"? When a man gets divorced, loses his money, loses custody of his children that means because he was "inadequate"? You're basically saying that no matter what the reality of the situation is, men are always at fault and women can do no wrong so any misfortune that happens to them is justified. That is the same logic abusers use on their victims. This thinking is exactly the reason why mgtow exists. It has nothing to do with hating women.

[Margillard]

@BraveHeart97 Best Answer: I know a lot of these ones, but I like this one the best :)

The Husband Store

A brand new store has just opened in New York City that sells Husbands. When women go to choose a husband, they have to follow the instructions at the entrance:

"You may visit this store ONLY ONCE! There are 6 floors and the value of the products increase as you ascend the flights. You may choose any item from a particular floor or may choose to go up to the next floor, but you CANNOT go back down except to exit the building!"

So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband.

The 1st floor sign reads: Floor 1 - These men have jobs.

The 2nd floor sign reads: Floor 2 - These men Have Jobs and Love Kids.

The 3rd floor sign reads: Floor 3 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids and are extremely good looking.

"Wow," she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.

She goes to the 4th floor and The sign reads: Floor 4 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead

[Margillard]

Gorgeous and do housework.

"Wow," she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.

She goes to the 4th floor and The sign reads: Floor 4 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Good Looking and Help with Housework.

"Oh, mercy me!" she exclaims, "I can hardly stand it!" Still, she goes to the 5th floor and The sign reads: Floor 5 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Gorgeous, help with Housework and Have A Strong Romantic Streak.

She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the 6th floor and the sign reads:

Floor 6 - You are visitor 31,456,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.

To avoid gender bias charges, the store's owner opens a New Wives store just across the street.

The 1st floor has wives who love sex.

The 2nd floor has wives who love sex and have money.

The 3rd through 6th floors have never been visited.