Dear MGTOW Fellas: Here's a Few Pointers to Relieve Non-Existent Excuses (Page 2)
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I disagree with this whole narrative. While it's true that any guy who puts in the effort can find love and sex on a temporary basis, the fact of the matter is that the "till death do us part" marital promise is dead and women have killed it with the help of the legal system. Today, men are finally waking up to this new reality and are now adjusting their behavior and their expectations accordingly - and it's about time!
MGTOW was never about men living a life of celibacy. In fact, many MGTOW's have girlfriends and casual sex. MGTOW is actually about men living a life where his freedom and his finances are safe in his control and beyond the reach of any women to plunder through the legal system. For most MGTOW's this simply means no marriage and no children.
Given today's cultural climate, no person, man or women, should ever expect their marriage to last a lifetime. So MGTOW's are saying, "why even bother with it"?
Nice thoughts , not remotely linked to reality unfortunately.
The essence of monogamy , basically does not work , to think you will find this " love " at 23 years to 30 and then have a golden anniversary is simply b/s. 50% of marriages end in divorce , there goes half , now think it though , of the 50% left , 50% are extremely unhappy , stay together , this that / sexless ( always a good sign ) leaves 25 % , of these half dislike their partners , or have others reasons just to hang around ( some financial ) , that leaves us with 12.5 % .. They are happy yeah? NO !! just too soft for the separation again , the true estimate of successful marriages/De facto ( Financially secure / lifetime sex / lived though children / independent / have not strayed at all sexually / not abused mentally or physically , etc etc etc ) is around 5% in real numbers. That is a scary risk , especially for a woman who wishes to maintain her sexuality.
Its nearly impossible.
My thing with MGTOW, Feminism, LGBTQ Advocates, etc. is that the biggest mistake you can make is to talk to them as a group. Everyone has a reason, and talking to them alone will help you understand their perspective and their reason. Otherwise, we fall into the same pattern of mislabeling and stereotyping that we’ve been trying to work our way out of.
We all deserve to have our voice listened to, but to have people be listened to, one must learn to listen. I feel that in today’s social climate, we all are trying to have our message be heard, but no one takes the time to actually listen.
And not just listen to rebuke, but to listen to understand. Even if acceptance doesn’t come, better to understand why they feel that way. More often than not, people have a better reason for feeling the way they do than you have a reason for hating that viewpoint.
I disagree with number 10. You may feel that you "know" someone prior to getting married, and things can still happen along the way. If point number 6 iterates the fact that society has evolved, and that standards have changed with it over time, then why is marriage even still relevant in today's society? Marriage not only had strong religious origins, but also outdated legal and financial impacts as well. Why should true love, require a contract? I don't need a document "verifying", or "authorizing" my love to begin with. If it doesn't end up working out, then we can go our separate ways. It's that simple. You can enjoy a nuclear family, and a traditional lifestyle if you will without a piece of a paper.
MGTOW is just a bunch of giant toddlers with the most fucked up ideology and they want the world to revolve around them. Stupid people, it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to actually have a healthy life and get yourself a lady... oh wait they don't even deserve to be with women.
Just for once stop taking yourself seriously, accept the good and bad in this world and you will feel much more better about yourself and have a more positive attitude towards life.
Im not a mgtower , but i dont understand what the problem is women have with them?
Its basically men who avoid women.
So what if they talk shit about you?
They dont affect you. So whats the big deal you have with them?
They dont live the way you want them to? 😂😂😂...
Mgtowers usually made up their mind, you're not getting them back
Because for the simple fact that a lot of them require attention even from the mgtowers !!!
That's their simplified nature.
I would agree that the whole MGTOW manosphere is a massive failure in prioritizing effort. While some of the things they say are true, it doesn't warrant a special movement, esp. in today's age.
With that said, I take issue with the idea that it's wrong to generalize a gender. It is true, but it goes both ways. Men are generalized as dangerous predators, because of what a few do. And some women are indeed harmful when going into a relationship with them. If women can generalize men to protect themselves from harm, MGTOW can claim to do the same.
Every single one of these points could easily apply to any single man who is struggling, can't or won't find a partner. These concepts only applying to MGTOW is intellectually dishonest at best. What I have found of opposition to MGTOW is that they are not making rebuttals based on any philosophy or the individual choices that lead any man to go in such a way, but rather they make general anti-single and pro-relationship/marriage arguments. I've seen many a claimed refutation of MGTOW to only be when looked into a refutation of bachelorhood as a legitimate choice.
This post is not an argument against MGTOW, it is an argument against being a single man. Please re-read through your core argument, replace 'MGTOW' with 'Incel', 'Nice Guy' or 'bachelor' and note how your arguments do not change.
Not one point of that article addressed the reasons why most men go MGTOW.
It showed a complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.
I am not MIGTOW but I see their point. If a guy get's the wrong end of the stick, damned if you do damned if you don't then to just not play the game seems the best option. Why do women even care? If guys want nothing to do with them, why is it anyone's business but their own? Ultimately MIGTOW is just a response to unfair divorce, reproductive and courtship laws. It's saying that I can't win with this set of cards, so I choose not to play. Why is that even an issue?
For number 10 I find is false. I heard a man was married to this women for 30 years. Great life, 2 kids, nice house, an all in all great life. In the last 5 years of their marriage he stated that his wife completely changed and acted like a complete “bitch”. Next thing you know he gets arrested due to the divorce process but released very soon but loses his assets/money home and kids due to the “divorce process”. He was told he could never come near his home again otherwise he would be arrested. His wife took all the money and now HE out there by himself while she already has a boyfriend who lives in HIS house sleeping in HIS bed fucking HIS wife. True story. And you think why men go their own way. Women are unpredictable. You can marry a woman and it can go so well but all of a sudden turn to shit.
I think MGTOW people are sad but honestly you're equally sad if you had to write an entire take about them.
Also most guys (even hot guys) have been rejected 100s of times - not once or twice. Instead it's women who have been ghosted once or twice that pin all men out to be evil.
Thanks for sharing your Take. In some points Good Indian disagree. It's interesting Take.
MGTOW movement is nothing different from feminazism/third wave feminism.. both groups generalize the other group and don't wanna take the blame for how they're treated in life.. and want only the good side of being a man or a woman..
It's crazy and most people are not like that
Its not a movement though. Just an idea.
@ThisDudeHere when you justify it.. you only look like those feminists who disagree that third wave feminism ruined everything.. just saying
I would never justify being bitter - the only MGTOW YouTuber I'm still subscribed to is in no way bitter and doesn't actually hate women- he just chose to love completely without them. And that's what it is in the end- a choice to go your own way instead of how society expects you to go, especially when, in their eyes, the game is rigged against them what with the unfavourable divorce laws and etc.
@ThisDudeHere I think it's very hypocritical of you to completely not try to understand a feminist or her ideals yet you expect me to be understand MGTOW which is basically the same thing..
*lived
I continue to indulge myself in the things that go on with MGTOW and feminism and, from my point of view, one side has a point to it and is mostly reasonable with a few, or several, bitter exceptions, whereas the other is almost entirely made up of batshit insane people with no common sense at all.
@ThisDudeHere most people have the same point of view
What do you mean?
NO!!! The problem is, is that my grilfriend doesn't need me. So if we get married she can easily divorce me and take my money. Regardless of how 'independent' she believes she is. She would get the custody of the kids and even potentially be able to steal my house. I think MGTOW is good for me. But I think abstaining from marriage is better.
Great take. MGTOWs are the very sad outliers that use personal failure (we all fail) as an excuse to lead a life that otherwise they would not find easy to justify.
Even if stats show that the majority of women are "more flexible" when it comes to sexual "range", it is also true that we love our men way more than just "experimenting", so, yeah, hetero in the end.
"Hetero in the end" ... sounds like an oxymoron to me... in reality a pain in the ass.
@Margillard It's fine, you don't need to share your pains. It's just an opinion.
Many MGTOW are highly successful, happy, free and at peace.
The definition of success is happiness.
Women are deluded to think that without a long term relationship with a women, men can never be happy... get over yourself, we don't value you to that extent.
Men love their partners more so that point is invalid
@Margillard OK, enough of your tantrums. Go make your room and grow up.
Room is made, very succesful at it, very happy, very peacful and free... NO girls allowed!
In a tantrum, is it common to hurl insults when someone doesn't agree with you? If so I am not guilty.
Women today are selfish greedy ungrateful spoiled whiny brats. I've done with women. They choose the bad men over the good men, they cheat, screw men over in divorce, use kids as a weapon. I could go on. Women are no longer worth the hassle. MGTOW for life.
Most women are straight! Bawhahahahah!
Lesbianism is the number on search want on porn site for women!
www.pornhub.com/.../women-gender-demographics-searches
Nice! I think a lot of people in general could learn from this.
I'm pretty sure society will eventually go back to those traditional values, in a way. History repeats itself and I constantly see people wishing it was like that again, only thing left is for those wishes to come true.
This take is pure bullc**p. Mgtow means different things to some men. For me, it means resisting the feminist narrative that women are pure and innocent. There is evidence that proves that they are not. Mgtow also helps men to understand women and to avoid toxic behaviors from them. Not saying that all women are like this but society has failed to put regulations on toxic women.