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Heterophobia, the Discrimination People Are Afraid to Talk About (Page 2)
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Notice how not a single feminist in that photo is attractive.
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Looks like a ad hominem. https://m.popkey.co/2420c1/mv5a_f-maxage-0.gif
Looks like an awful lot of whinging and no evidence.
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As far as I’m concerned personal experience does count as evidence. Now your using Argumentum ad lapidem media.tenor.com/.../tenor.gif
Anecdotal evidence is extremely inaccurate, given that it is ALWAYS biased.
It’s self evident.
Refusing to accept anecdotal evidence could also be biased itself considering that most people would still accept anecdotal evidence that favors their side.
As a researcher, I cannot in good conscience accept “trust me, it’s true” as acceptable evidence.
My anecdotal evidence is only part of the evidence I showed on this take/article.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=svtKA4rX3xI Now imagine if the roles were reversed.
Calling this an article is insulting to articles written by people who have done research. At best, it’s an opinion column. At worst, a steaming pile of bullshit.
There you go again with your argumentum ad lapidem.
And you have yet to produce any evidence.
Nothing is self-evident. Not even gravity.
You are egg on the face of academia.
The evidence is right there yet you dismiss it as fake because it’s an opposing view. As I’ve told another person in this section, it’s pretty lazy to be demanding proof when you can do the research on your own.
No, I'm dismissing it as fake because you can't prove it. As someone else said, as you are the one making the claim, you need to be the one to back it up. With reproducible and concrete evidence, such as statistics or experimental data. That is how the world works. Opinion is not fact. A collection of opinion pieces and white boy tantrums over tweets by comedians does not make your thing real.
Unless you can produce hard evidence that heterophobia is a real thing, you're wasting my time.
I’ve alreasy proven it. There’s a reason why I posted links which you most likely didn’t bother to read. This is a topic that isn’t politically correct, so there is no way any mainstream organization like CNN or huffpost is going to cover this because that would literally destroy their reputation.
You haven't even begun to prove it because you have provided no hard evidence of its existence. You just basically said "heterophobia is real but can't be proven because evidence-based study is a lie."
Also, it can't both be subtle and self-evident. Self-evident is something like the sun. Something that is subtle is like the existence of a Stage 0 pancreatic tumor. Very different things.
Please provide evidence that does not come from a personal blog, Twitter account or Youtube video.
So I take it you didn’t read the links. Let me ask you a question, do you even understand the concept of a “mytake”?
Yes, I do. But you do not seem to understand it.
You are trying to pass off your opinion as fact. When you do that, people will ask you for evidence and expect you to be able to provide it.
Since you cannot provide evidence, and are still trying to pass off your opinion as fact, you are just a straight up bullshitter.
Looks like you do not understand the concept of a mytake. I’ll just tell you the same thing I told the other person. A mytake is meant to be original, it’s not meant to be a plagiarized article. I wrote this based on my own proof, not proof from outside resources. In other words, this is mostly based on things that I’ve observed. Ask yourself this, is it guaranteed that any proof you receive actually accurate? How do you know that the proof (data, statistics, research) from outside sources actually accurate? What I’m saying, is what difference does it make if the proof is anecdotal or from outside resources?
Because it is reproducible through various means.
We know what the acceleration due to gravity is because repeated study shows that it is, on average 9.81 m/s/s (roughly 32 ft/s/s for Americans, who must be special and use their own ridiculous system of units).
You're right - statistics can easily be manipulated. But for someone like myself, who has spent 3+ years studying advanced statistics, I can see past the bullshit - and use my own skills and experience to *reproduce* the results.
Anecdotal evidence is unreliable because if you speak to enough people, you can find proof of anything. Elvis is still alive and living in Reno. The Ancient Egyptians were actually aliens. The Chupacabra is stalking the streets of Helsinki. Just because someone else says so, that doesn't make it true.
Because you seem so confused by what makes something true, here's a handy dandy graphic on how to apply the scientific method! It's even been reduced to somewhere around your reading level.
www.sciencebuddies.org/.../steps-of-the-scientific-method
Any research can be anecdotal because reserved is based on observations made by said researchers. Just because they are professional researchers doesn’t mean that they will always be reliable.
The title of this take says it all, most people are afraid to speak, research and oppose Heterophobia, that’s why there are no studies that have been conducted specifically on heterophobia because that’s what people call “career suicide”. They know that if any professional researcher does a study on heterophobia, they put themselves at risk of losing their jobs and getting their reputation ruined. The reason for this is political correctness, which on paper may seem reasonable but in practice, political correctness is censorship.
This is why I did my own research, as someone who isn’t a professional researcher or somebody who is very popular, I don’t run the risk of getting my career or reputation ruined.
*research (typo)
Research isn't accepted as true until the experiments have been performed multiple times by multiple people with the same (ie: reproducible) results. So no, it isn't anecdotal. Not even close.
Even then, “rigging” is something that can be done to replicate the same results. The other thing is “chance”. If you want “professional research” on heterophobia then the first step is to abolish political correctness. Heterophobia is usually lumped into the “discrimination based on sexual orientation” catergory. Heterophobia doesn’t officuhave it’s own catergory.
*officially
Listen, if you're just going to shit all over the scientific method, don't try to prove a theory. You just make yourself look like a pillock.
The fact is everyone who has disagreed with me on this topic hasn’t been able to debunk my claims, hence argumentum ad lapidem. They label this as “fake” but can’t disprove it themselves.
Who ever said this is about science? This is actually about philosophy and society, not science.
There's nothing to disprove, because you haven't proved anything in the first place!
And the scientific method still applies to social sciences and philosophy.
You have to be more specific when using the phrase “science”. I’m aware that there are different fields of science including logic.
You keep saying I haven’t proven even though I did. You didn’t even pay attention to the links I posted, the videos or the key points I mentioned. That’s known as beating around the bush.
And I have told you why those aren't sufficient proof.
I’ve also told you why there hasn’t been any mainstream research.
Which just sounds like conservative conspiracy theory to me.
Need a ride to Costco for some tinfoil? Your hat is looking a little sparse.
I never said anything about a conspiracy theory. This is not a “conspiracy theory”, this is a well known fact. Bias is a real thing. If I were to guess, you probably also think misandry (sexism against men) isn’t real.
You just love using the ad hominem don’t you?
It’s not a well known fact, because I and many others on this thread, do not know about it and have not seen anything to support it.
These “others” you speak of share your ideology, so of course you people are going to deny it’s authenticity. If you look at all the other opinions, you’ll see that many people share my views on this topic.
And what, pray tell, is our ideology?
I’m not a mind reader, only you know your ideology, however I do think you have some radical liberal views, no offense intended.
So then how do you know that we share an ideology?
Well for starters you people post the same comments only worded differently. Next, I’ve seen the posts of these other people on different takes and questions, their opinions are definitely leaning to the far left of the political spectrum.
They also try to force their views onto others.
So asking for proof makes someone a member of the far left? Interesting. Do you have any proof of that postulate?
So now you’re going to twist my words. I’m specifically referring to the attitude not asking for proof, because I actually gave you proof but you considered it “insufficient”.
Ah, right. Conservatives are always completely afraid of academia. You wouldn’t know how to provide proof if someone gave you a how-to guide (which I did).
Great! Now you’re using yet another fallacy known as the false dilemma fallacy. First of all, I’m not a conservative, I’m officially a libertarian. Second of all you are using the dicto simpliciter fallacy by making generalizations of conservatives. If all you are going to do is make fallacies then perhaps this conversation should end because it is clearly looping.
You seem to be very offended that I will not accept opinion pieces as fact. It’s almost like being in the sciences teaches you to be skeptical. I could possibly believe you if you produced some kind of hard evidence, such as statistics or an academic study, but as you refuse to do this, I can only conclude that your postulate is false, due to lack of evidence.
Once again, you are showing me that you ignored a lot of things that I’ve showed in the take. Plus all of those articles talk about things that happen in real life yet you still call it fake. What did I tell you about statistics and academic research? They aren’t always reliable. Plus I already told you how much of a impact political correctness has.
I’m not offended I’m just annoyed that you keep beating around the bush, that’s why this argument is going no where. I’ve already told you that “mytakes” are written from a first person perspective.
It’s going nowhere because your whole point is bullshit that can’t be proven beyond getting offended at a tweet or a stand up routine.
And how are opinions any more reliable? They can be unfounded, and often are. For example, I could be of the opinion that you have a micropenis, but that doesn’t mean that it’s true.
It’s obvious that your just going to keep using fallacies to defend your viewpoints so I guess I’ll tell what one of those articles said since you didn’t bother to read it. Basically there’s a bar in the UK where men are not allowed to approach women.
Now you want further video evidence then just watch the documentary “the red pill” or watch the video about the lesbian feminist who disguised herself as a man in public for 18 months.
'Plus all of those articles talk about things that happen in real life yet you still call it fake. What did I tell you about statistics and academic research? They aren’t always reliable. Plus I already told you how much of a impact political correctness has. '
I'm sorry there is no way you can actually be that stupid
@Waffles731 I’m going to kindly ask you not to resort to “white knighting” by interfering in this conversation, calling something stupid just because it doesn’t fit your ideology doesn’t make it stupid.
I'm not white knighting, im pointing out stupidity, saying opinion pieces are more accurate than actual studies and saying actual stats and studies are vulnerable to 'political correctness' is stupid.
I'm honestly laughing right now at this
@Waffles731 I cannot believe this person has lasted 21 years on this earth without having their stupidity endangering their life
@Waffles731 and @Astoriana both of you keep using the ad hominem fallacy, which is why I’m not taking this conversation seriously anymore.
You never did, Key Smash 1996. If you did, you would have provided some hard evidence of your claims, and you wouldn’t have said that opinions are more accurate than facts.
You’re still putting words in my mouth, I never said that opinions are more accurate than facts. I said that you can’t simply dismiss someone’s claims just because they are anecdotal. I already said that I conducted my own research which included talking to people about this topic.
Then you should have no problem in showing me your notes, hypothesis and research. I want to see your process.
If I did, it wouldn’t fit here.
So, you’re refusing because you don’t have any?
Interesting.
How can you prove that your “research” is original if you don’t have notes?
You expect me to post screen shots of my notebook? I’m not going to type up the same thing I wrote in a notebook that’s why I shortened what I observed.
Yeah, I do. This is part of the vetting process that an academic article goes through before being published.
See unlike you @astoriana actually has been published
@Waffles731 I mean, *technically* I'm not published yet, but soon!
@Waffles731 and @astoriana believe what you want to believe even it’s taking the blue pill. Publicizing something doesn’t necessarily mean it’s accurate.
When it’s an opinion piece, key smash, you’re absolutely right.
When it’s an academic study in an academic journal that has been peer-reviewed, chances are good that it’s at least somewhat accurate.
Then that would imply that “mein kampf” is credible.
That’s a book, darling, and not an article from an academic journal.
I’m referring to publishing in general.
Yeah, and I’m referring to academic research.
Unlike you, I believe that facts matter. You honestly make me laugh. You think you’re right for no real discernible reason and cannot articulate why. When questioned, you say that everyone is too lazy to do their own research, and if they did it, that they would agree with you.
Do you know how insane and entitled you sound?
The links I showed you are facts, yet you dismiss them as being unreliable. Seriously though why are you still arguing with me, you are literally repeating the same thing over and over plus you used a lot of fallacies. I’m guessing you just want to get the last laugh. This whole take is basically saying double standards are wrong but you took out of context by assuming it’s some conspiracy.
Opinion pieces are not facts, no matter how many times you accuse me of elitism.
They are not opinions because they are things that have actually happened not just assumptions. There is actually a place in the UK that limits the interaction men have with women.
I already told you several times that there is no official “academic research” on this subject due to political correctness. Heterophobia is catergorized in “discrimination based on sexual orientation”. It’s pretty biased to dismiss something just because it doesn’t have academic research.
You do realize you’ve carried this conversation for two days already right? All you’re trying to do is belittle me and force your views onto me, sorry to disappoint you but it’s not going to work.
You are so full of shit that you’ve decided to call it roses.
Wow, one whole bar has had so many incidents of sexual harassment and assault that they decided to ban straight men from hitting on women. Those absolute monsters! How dare they protect women’s safety! Clearly the menz need to be able to fuck anything that moves with no consequences. I wonder if it’s a gay bar.
You are a sad litle man with cotton stuffing for brains.
That’s it, I’m done replying to you.
I have been saying this since before sjw culture was even invented.
by the way it appears you are libertarian. This would explain why you are not enough to mention this. You see both sides.
Yeah, they are going too far, and its just the beginning..
by the way, there is something no lesbian can ever give a woman: a dick 😉
Guys, dont worry much about another chick stealing your girl, worry about the other guys
Wow, this is whole new thing to me! Really. Me, I am straight guy not gay. For real. Great mytake.
I have personally seen heterophobia and experienced misandry myself. This is a REAL problem in our society. Good take!
I was right on track with you, but... You lost me at number two. I started day dreaming about the hot guy kissing me! 🤔. Lol ☺️
Gotta confess: the main thing I noticed in this piece was that one of the pics has the same people who are part of a meme!!
Clearly the comment section shows the widespread bias that people have against straight people. If there were no such biases and prejudices bigots would never ridicule it. The truth will always be ridiculed by some before it is accepted as truth.
This one is know, I've heard and see about it a lot especially from gay people. Yet nobody say anything.
you think!!! the human race is stupid
but this and many more things must come to pass
for in the last days people who believe in Jesus Christ will be hated
but he that endureth until the end will be saved
99% of people are heterosexual so no matter what we win with the numbers.
I'm tired of people like that stupid cunt who said all men are rapist and I'm also tired of the people who say that men suck at everything because man.
Thanks for this great Take fellow! That culture of overindulgence is poisoning social relations. Being minority should not be a licence to be toxic people. No excuses for that.
I’m so excited to see what fake type of discrimination you’ll make up next!
Yet another person uses the argumentum ad lapidem fallacy.
Yet another comment where you try to be pretentious because you know you have no argument
My argument is in the take. I don’t have to repeat myself.
And this is my counter argument
It’s a argumentum ad lapidem because you don’t offer any creditable proof to argue against me. The thing you and those other people who disagree with this take didn’t take into account is that I already addressed your skepticism in this take. I wrote this take knowing there would be people who disagree with me. This is why you and those other individuals who keep demanding “proof” yet have no other arguments, you’re all just arguing with me based only on pathos hence “argumentum ad lapidem”.
The proof is you like to make up fake types of discrimination and insist real discrimination doesn’t happen (as we’ve proved in your previous posts).
It’s easy to attach the “fake” label to something just because you don’t agree with it. If you are going to keep using the argumentum ad lapidem fallacy, I’m just going to stop replying. Also, quit putting words in my mouth.
Mytakes are supposed to be original, that’s what I’m doing. I’m coming up with my own proof based on things that I have observed, I’m not going to plagiarize some other article just to please those who disagree with me. Also, how do you know that any proof you receive is actually accurate? What I’m saying is that technically there is no difference when comparing proof from outside sources to anecdotal proof since both can either be accurate or inaccurate.
Lol it’s so original that it’s not even based in reality XD
It actually is based on reality but your biased perspective tries to deny it’s authenticity.
It’s actually not because if it was you would t have to use *opinion* pieces to “prove” your point XD
Using the word opinion is used to keep the conversation formal.
You do realize that what you said makes no sense at all and it’s hard to take your replies seriously when you keep saying “XD”.
Are you telling me you can’t tell the difference between opinions and facts? XD
Do I care? I’m sitting here cracking up and the things you have the ridiculousness to post and you’re going to know about it XD
Acknowledging that heterophobia is real is not a opinion.
Yeah it is XD
Believe what you want.
It’s what you do right?
you need to take a page out of stefan molyneux's book and tell her that her 'argument' IS NOT ACTUALLY AN ARGUMENT LOL IT'S JUST AN ASSERTION WITH NOTHING TO BACK IT UP
@Goochbreaker do you know what the word irony means? XD
yeah, I do, would you care to explain what YOU mean? The word irony is the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect. Please outline your argument, (it should typically consist of a proposition, a few points to back it up, followed by a conclusion of some sort)
@Goochbreaker oh my god XD Keep digging. I need good laughs XD
Ok now it's my turn to say LGBT discrimination is fake and use the same argument like you. If you'd still be comfortable with your own ignorance, how about if I just argue at your level?
I didn't know it was a thing, I thought it a few jokes and that's it
I'm a straight white male so apparently I'm responsible for all the evil in the world
I think I passed out by the time I got to number 5. I'll try it again.
you're deluded and complaining about something which only exists in theory, not in practice.
It actually exists in practice.
Not everyone will experience heterophobia just like not everyone will experience racism.
@ADFSDF1996 Do you feel persecuted by those LGTBQ?
Not by the LGBT. I do feel that radicals are making it hard for Straights and LGBT to get along though.
I nearly never know someone is LGTBQ before they tell it themselves.
I understand it’s hard to know what a person‘s sexual orientation is just by looking at them.
Fact is, I don't really care about knowing it. My wife says there's a gay couple living in our building. I don't know who they are.
Until 2 years ago, I rented an apt to a single man. I've met him several times. I only heard (and read in the papers ) he was gay when he was murdered.
That’s understandable, I personally don’t care what a person’s sexual orientation is, I just think people should be courteous of each other’s sexual orientation.
That’s sad.
@ADFSDF1996 It was a shocking story.
I never experienced anything like that.