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Look I disagree, probably because I'm so fucking glad I live in Australia where guns are very regulated, but I think more than guns, the US has a crime issue. Guns could be related but I think it's part of a greater issue.
I agree that we have a violent crime issue.
You don't need knives or hands. A guy in France killed 71 people in under a minute with a semi-truck. No guns necessary.
@Kiran04 exactly. But guns at least seem to have a correlation with violence. As shown in the difference in violence between say America and the rest of the developed world.
Mexico has some really strict gun laws and they have tons of crime. There's a whole lot of sociological factors at play, and pretending that it all boils down to how many tools there are is missing most of the point.
no mexico doesn't have very strict gun laws at all, you are legally allowed to purchase a firearm for one of these reasons:
For home defense (seguridad y legítima defensa)
For hunting (cacería)
For target practice (tiro)
For shooting sport competition (competencia)
For collection (colección)
they're effectively the same as the US. Even then Mexico, unlike the US does not have the police and infrastructure to maintain strict gun laws.
Did you read the rest of the wiki article?
"A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most types and calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law."
you literally just affirmed my point
""A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them"
"the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents"
In Australia, you can't it's not a constitutional right to own a firearm.
I said Mexico has really strict gun laws, and your argument is that they don't have a gun ban? I'm confused.
You should look at Australia's legislation. You are allowed to own a gun. You just have to apply for a license. There are varying rules depending on the type of gun.
But it doesn't have really strict gun laws. A normal member of the public can just purchase a gun if they want to. Australia is no where near as lenient as Mexico. The only real reason you can buy a gun here is for the purpose of farming, every other reason is rejected when going for a gun licence. Even then you have to go through mental health checks and a pretty bureaucratic process in order to get the actual license. Guns are kind of like bombs to us. We see them in films but most of us have never seen them in every day life and going over to the US shocks us in that sense.
Alright, well this is getting a little redundant. Thanks for the discussion! Have a good day.
@lilaqua According to statistics put out by the UN and the FBI, America ranks middle of the pack as far as violence goes. You act like we're #1, when we're not. The only unicorn in the "civilized" group is Australia, who had extremely low gun violence to begin with. They had 1 mass shooting in their entire history, and even that was enough to make those timid lemmings ban all guns everywhere. The EU as a whole has violent crime on the rise, and we all know why that is. The US is at least steady or on a decline.
Resource-based economy. War (War is a Racket, Smedly Butler, Major-General USMC, retired), and crime are the greatest numbers. And are gone within a resource-based economy, especially a post-scarcity society. Behavior in general will change so, that the other things will fade away. Yes, human nature is difficult, yet easy if you give it what it needs most - support, stability, and opportunity. Notice I said will. Because this is happening.
Hmm?
Exactly. Keep your head in the sand, beau, it fits you.
No idea what this has to do with guns XD
You and me both, the saying, god made men, but Sam colt made them equal refers to that, before guns, the strongest man could do as he pleased as long as he had a knife, sword, or ax
Well said. Only the delusional desire to live in a bubble thinking this earth is heaven.
They have no idea how many bad people in this earth have a desire to hurt others for the sole purpose of hurting others.
My grandma yesterday told me a dude went up to a girl and just killed her for "Because He wanted to kill somebody"
It's extremely risky to live in this world and not have a gun.
"At 12:33 p. m., a man drove into a crowd with a truck, killing three people and injuring two; he then stabbed at least 12 people using a dagger (initially reported as a survival knife[1]), killing four people and injuring eight."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
Again, no fact checking. Why do you even bother?
Deaths 7
Non-fatal injuries 10
Read the side of the Wiki page. This is the quote from there.
3 with car and 4 with knife along with 10 nonfatal
You know absolutely well the framework you left makes it sound like he stabbed and killed seven people with a knife which not only is false but he killed more people attacked with the vehicle than with the knife!
I didn't even actually check all the others though I doubt the way you left it with the prompt "think you can't kill multiple people with knives?" probably still leaves out critical details to the actual incidents.
If no one knows the events it sounds like he stabbed 17 people and killed 7 of them which is far more effective in the knifing than what really happened.
He had a 60% kill rate with the car 3/5 and a 25% kill rate with the dagger at 4/12. This is straight misrepresentation.
If that's how you interpreted it then I suppose it's whatever. It's a silly argument though. It misses the heart of the matter. The whole point is that people can conduct mass killings without guns.
This isn't a silly argument. You're false reporting and exaggerating to prove your point.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagamihara_stabbings
The Sagamihara stabbings were committed by a former employee in a hospital against sleeping disability victims. He surrendered meaning that guns had nothing to do with the case and it wasn't even relevant to your mentioning. It has nothing to do with guns. The care worker he knocked out wouldn't have been carrying one.
This is even worse because violent crime in Japan of this nature is significantly lower when considering mass attacks. Firearms are flat out used in more mass attacks than any other weapon.
This is how hysteria reporting actually works. This is a REAL problem. This is wasted. Nevermind. I was very wrong.
What are you talking about? I didn't say anything about guns in this instance.
You have a severe comprehension problem here. I don't know if that's intentional or unintentional here.
Agree, I'd rather be shot than have my stomach cut open
You could say that guns are life.
That's what I say, anyway.
So... What do you think about gun laws?
Left, Right, You're Both Wrong About Guns ↗
My thoughts are expounded here.
Finally something I agree with from you 😂 100% good take!
So you don't want to live in Japan, Europe or Australia?
Europe and Aussie have guns for the police right? I can't remember but I think Japan got rid of them even for most police officers.
But no, I'm perfectly happy with where I live.
And yet even with the police having guns they still don't have any gun violence. I wonder how that works?
And you're perfectly happy living in constant fear of the next mass shooting?
1.) 0 guns = 0 gun violence. That's a tautology of sorts and I think doesn't at all look at what I am talking about. I'm talking about whether or not a person, well-qualified, well-intentioned, etc should have the ability to have a gun for defense from someone who would victimize them. I think they should. The whole point of having police is for this reason. The problem that I pointed out is that a police officer won't be there to prevent a crime, they will only be there after the fact.
2.) I don't live in any fear of a mass shooting. I do admit and want to rectify America's gun problem, but I don't want or think that we should remove a person's right to protect themselves. We need to come up with better legislation to prevent the "wrong" people from getting guns.
So you're basically admitting gun control is a good thing. Nice.
I said that twice in this Take...
And did I ever say gun BAN? No, I said less guns and stricter gun control.
I never said you did...
Australia has largely gotten rid of guns, and has has a decrease in vilence.
Yes.
For some reason, many gun nuts in America keep lying about how successful taking guns away in Australia has been. Frequently, I hear false statements about how crime in Australia has risen dramatically since guns are not as available. Of course, these are lies, as Australia has seen a decrease in crime.
I haven't heard that.
It's part of the false narrative the NRA, gun manufacturers and gun nuts give as if it were true, to sway public opinion, and to scare people into buying more guns. Apparently, profits are much more important to these people, than lives are.
Maybe. Lot of misinformation gets spread.
It's worse with guns. The rapist is much more likely to have a gun than the girl or any bystander. At least if he just has a knife you have a chance to run
Did you read the whole thing?
Yup.
Alright, did you get the point about how we should increase legislation to prevent criminals from having guns?
Guns are good just for suicide but there are other ways and in an ideal world euthanasia would be 100% legal everywhere without needing a good reason
What?
You should be sectioned, you. Preferably for a VERY long time.
What is sectioned?
I must remember your point next time I am in a discussion concerning Chemical, Bacteriological, and/or Nuclear weapons. By your argument, please let North Korea and Iran develop all of the above in their own right. Because the West certainly has. Same logic- right?
You're not serious. The fact that I, or someone I love has a relatively high probability of being victimized by another person (I can already think of several. Women raped. Children raped. Friend who's been stabbed. etc) and that if I have proper training and ability I could prevent that is in no way equitable with me worrying about taking on a town of citizens. It's not equitable to me getting gas to use against a country. It's not at all equitable to me needing a nuke to take millions of lives preemptively. Can you for one moment be intellectually honest and pretend that any of these are equitable?
And shooting up a school of unarmed kids with an AR-15 IS equitable? Oh- Riiiiight!
What are you talking about? Did I ask to have the right to shoot up a school?
Fuck off. Imbécile.
I think police officerss should carry firearms, but other people shouldn't, and in the event that they should, they should have a hunting license
Very good read... I completely agree...
Spot on, thank you! :)
I feel the same way 100 percent
I agree, a world without guns would be dangerous
LMAO!! If I beat my own head against the wall enough times, can I become an "Influencer" too?
if there are no guns , i will go bankrupt.