Answers to common questions about the COVID vaccines!

[1truekhaleesi]

I take care of covid ICU patients. I have been asked a lot what I think about the vaccines and if I will get them. I am waiting until the release of the full side effect profile as determined by the FDA to take an official stance. These are scheduled for 12/10 (Pfizer) and 12/17 (Moderna). They are hosting a live open forum. Anyone can send in questions and everyone can watch.

***Barring anything new or different than what the companies have already released? I plan to get a vaccine against COVID-19. I am high risk. I take care of covid ICU patients. ***

If you come to my unit, it's because things aren't looking good.

That said, my thoughts so far are as follows (I invite any questions and I will try to answer them to the best of my ability and/or tag those more knowledgeable than I am): If you are hostile or say this is a hoax, you will be blocked. I have seen adults of all ages get intubated and die over this shit. I have lost multiple coworkers who were also caring for covid patients over this.

Covid vaccine

Bits and pieces here have been borrowed and stolen over the months as I’ve read better explanations than mine- thank you to the many people who explained these concepts to me!

First, I will admit that when I first heard an mRNA vaccine, which has never been used before in humans, I was a bit worried. After evaluating the evidence and mechanism of action I have little to no worries about this particular type of vaccine (and think it may be the way of the future). Here are some of the questions I had and that have been posed to me (if you just want the summary scroll on):

Will COVID vaccines alter our DNA?

mRNA is translated only in the cytoplasm and doesn’t get into the nucleus. Therefore, it is impossible for this to incorporate into our DNA and it will then degrade quickly. Which is why both require significant cooling to be stable. Also, it has no reverse transcriptase, this is required to alter our dna- this is what HIV does.

mRNA (messenger RNA) is a molecule in our body that makes protein. It is just the messenger, so it sends its message (meaning it makes protein) and then it is recycled by the body. So the mRNA will not stick around. The mRNA in the vaccines will make the spike protein of the virus, which will display on some of your cells. This is enough to create an immune reaction. Then the mRNA will degrade and so will the proteins. It will not stay in your body. Basically, the mRNA is a dog alerting you to an intruder. But there isn’t an intruder. Your dog is barking at shadow. Then the shadow disappears and the dog goes to sleep (or also disappears) but your body is still in response mode.

The great things about RNA vaccines, is they are made on a platform. This means that once we find an RNA we want to use as a vaccine, we plug it into the platform and it is made. So, any new RNA can be plugged into this process and you have a new vaccine.

Pfizer and Moderna have been studying RNA vaccines for a long time. So they had a platform. Genome technology has advanced so much recently, that we already had the RNA sequence of the virus that causes COVID-19 in January. By May, Pfizer and Moderna were starting Phase I/II trials. These are purely safety trials. So there are people that have had this vaccine since May. And they are still being monitored. For the Pfizer vaccine alone, 40,000 people have received the vaccine and 30,000+ for the Moderna vaccine. That is a lot of people to already have the vaccine, allowing for a good evaluation of the safety.

What is the difference between the two mRNA vaccines?

Moderna is easier to store (less deep temps) and doesn’t require reconstitution- to me that equals less chance for error. In the future, I am sure they will test both mRNA vaccines at different storage and dosage.

What about the other ones?

The AstraZeneca vaccine is similar to the vaccines we’ve used before. This is a Spike protein vaccine like the flu shot but based off of an adenovirus with an inactive bit of SARS-CoV-2 subbed in. Initial trial showed 70% efficacy in one dosing group and closer to 90% in the other. They are a little ways away from approval and EUA as compared to the first 2. (J&J also has a vaccine I have not heard much about yet)

What if I am pregnant and what about my kids?

The vaccines haven’t been tested in pregnant/breastfeeding women or children, yet. Until it has? I don’t think it is safe for these populations. If I were pregnant I would not get it. We have found that this disease is hard on pregnant women (Source). Stay careful and vigilant and I hope those around you get vaccinated.

Why did it get through so fast?

Billions of dollars and thousands of man hours have been invested. All of the brilliant scientists who have been working on a Zika vaccine, a universal flu vaccine, an Ebola vaccine, an HIV vaccine, and every other vaccine were told to focus on THIS disease. They have gone through the expected phases. They just did them simultaneously.

As I said, genome technology allowed us to sequence the virus super-fast, so we knew the vaccine target very quickly. The Phase I/II trials have been going on since May (so 6+ months). The Phase III trials, which is efficacy, have been going on since July. For Phase III, you have to have so many people come down with the disease before you can unveil the results. Well, with a highly contagious disease circulating through the population, it didn’t take long for the needed number of diseased participants.

When that happened, Pfizer and Moderna put a tremendous effort into crunching the data. For example, if 5 people would normally be assigned from the company to work for 3 months to crunch the data, the company assigned 30 people to do it in 2 weeks. The same number of person-hours, just less time to finish. The FDA approval process is the same thing. Instead of 5 people assessing the data, they assign 30. So the assessment can be done quicker. But no short cuts are being done. They just are putting more resources into the project than typical.

What about the side effects?

I have heard anecdotal stories (again, waiting until the full report comes out from the FDA) of people who were convinced that they got the placebo and after the unblinding- they actually got the vaccine. I think that this, like many other vaccine, will effect people in different ways. After getting the flu shot my arm is sore. I don’t get any other symptoms. There are some people who experience flu like symptoms because their immune system goes into overdrive! We can assume these vaccines will be similar (and we will know more with the FDA reports).

If you made it this far? Here’s my bottom line:

The long term effects of COVID scare me way more than potential side effects of a vaccine: pulmonary fibrosis, heart failure or myocarditis, fatigue, and thromboembolic events (Stroke and heart attack), the list goes on. I have actually seen young healthy people die or become “covid long haulers.” I work in a covid ICU.
Almost all side effects from a vaccine would be apparent early on. When we see big ones like guillain barre and flacid myelitis? It’s immediate.

The COVID vaccines are a technological miracle and we are in the right place in our scientific knowledge to make it happen. This is the shit of Nobel prizes. This was a disease that shut down the world- and the response was monumental. No short cuts were taken in the safety assessment. Pfizer and Moderna are staking their reputation on these vaccines. They do not want to destroy their company’s reputation by putting out an unsafe vaccine. But this proves that with the right resources, we can scientifically do anything. In the past, we just never devoted the resources necessary to combat a common enemy.

Is it absolutely zero risk?

No. No health treatment comes without risk. It's much lower risk than my risk of dying from COVID or having serious morbidity from it. And I’m sick of not seeing my grandparents and aunties and uncles. I’m sick of every fever requiring a painful swab. I’m sick of being scared I will bring disease to my parents and my roommate. I’m sick of being scared of the large gathering I used to live for: concerts, traveling, breweries, sports, family gatherings.... we all begged for reprieve, this is it.

References and resources
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906799/...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2798-3#Fig1
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2027906
https://www.sciencemag.org/.../absolutely-remarkable-no...

To end this on a positive note, here's a favorite piece of poetry of mine. By Rupi Kaur

A great podcast if you want to be informed with the freshest data:

https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/

[weasley8]

I read somewhere that while the vaccines have been tested on women, the data hasn’t been broken down by sex. And that because of that we don’t know how the vaccine could effect women, and especially not women in different stages of life, whose hormone levels differ greatly. Is that true? This is why for a long time medicine wasn’t tested on women. Too many variables. So while I believe in the efficacy of medicine and vaccines, and I’m hoping to get the Covid vaccine when it becomes available, as a woman I don’t always believe that doctors have our best interests at heart.


Other examples are how if a woman goes in for an unrelated surgery and is put under general anesthesia, doctors will often have medical students practice pelvic exams on her while she’s unconscious because there aren’t enough people volunteering for this. So I’m terrified of surgery and anesthesia. And an example that I have personal experience with is that doctors will still suggest bracing for scoliosis despite the severe side effects, and the fact that it doesn’t work and often just makes things worse by weakening the muscles necessary to fix the curve, and scoliosis is actually a neurological condition that can be treated far more effectively by other means. They’ll also often tell people that they need spinal fusion surgery, even though most of the time spinal fusion surgery doesn’t actually help with the symptoms and just causes more pain. All it really does is help with a cosmetic “problem” and even your shoulders out.


Sorry for the rant. I’m paranoid about the subject, and get annoyed when people act like it’s ridiculous to be worried. (Coincidentally those people are almost always men.) Because it isn’t. I’m planning to get the vaccine. But as a woman I will be terrified while doing so. The fact that it isn’t approved for pregnant women also makes me wonder if it impacts fertility.


I’m not a doctor though. And for all my research I still don’t know if the ingredients in the vaccine even have the ability to do that. If you know, and could shed some light on the matter, it would make me a lot less nervous. As for how it effects women as they age, maybe information on the half-life of the vaccine components? And how long some of the changes it creates (like the protein spike thing) last?


It’s fine if you don’t get to it. Thanks either way for what you’ve written!

[veecutie]

Thank you for such a nice post. I didn’t even have the energy to read others’ comments haha. Stay strong and stay safe. I’m a med student, both of my parents and my brothers are doctors, thus you can imagine the anxiety throughout all these months. If governments and people we look up to made an effort to educate, the general population would follow them. Unfortunately this is not the case. At the end I believe ignorance is the root of all problems.

[Lj121200]

1truekhaleesi I just want to say thanks for all your efforts and putting it all on the line for us. You're an amazing human being and its people like yourself who are the real heros on this planet. I am so sorry for the losses of those around you. Im in Australia so we are very lucky because we have no community transmission but i also live in Melbourne we hard a really harsh lockdown for a couple of months, were we couldn't leave the house or go further than 5 km away from our house. But that's nothing compared to what you guys are doing us. Just thanks so much from the bottom of my heart. My grandfather was saves by people like you. Thanks for the q & a about the vaccine I know we are heading for the light at the end of the tunnel.

[1truekhaleesi]

Thanks. That means a lot. Australia handled covid right.

[madgoat]

Obviously I cannot validate your claim to work in an ICU but your description appears well meaning, informative, and you've even cited sources (I haven't checked them).
So in a world full of untrustworthy journo's and insanely biased politicians, thanks for that.
I still don't know if inoculation will prevent you from being a carrier, nor how long the preventative effect lasts.
But you do present some interesting points.
Personally, I'm more than happy to wait for the first million to be inoculated before they offer it to me, and see how 'phase four' trials go.

[1truekhaleesi]

That's a good question I have. I'm willing to get the vaccine, but will it prevent me from getting others sick?

[Levin]

There is no mid to long term safety data.

In other words, this isn't science, this is blind faith.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/941452/Information_for_healthcare_professionals.pdf

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction
No interaction studies have been performed.
Concomitant administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines has not
been studied (see section 5.1).
Do not mix COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 with other vaccines/products in the same syringe.
4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactation
Pregnancy
There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2.
Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine
BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy.
For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women
of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.
6
Breast-feeding
It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk. A risk to
the newborns/infants cannot be excluded. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 should not be used
during breast-feeding.
Fertility
It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility

[1truekhaleesi]

I think with breastfeeding, we can't rule out the possibility that it can be given to the baby. If you're pregnant or nursing, this vaccine isn't a good idea.

[brennanhuff]

I saw that pfizer with 4 patients caused bells palsy which is scary. How do we know more people won't have that issue? What about infertility? Could this cause people to become infertile? Could long term effects come from that? Neorologic issues can come from vaccines. I used to always have a flu shot but they have added more and stronger because of the different strains. Well I haven't taken one in 5 years because of a bad reaction. I had shingles like reaction from a flu shot. A cluster rash right rib area. It took like a damn month to go away and hurt. I could feel a sharp pain in upper back area at same height behind when bringing my head down and that last a damn month after the shingles rash cluster went away.

So if the flu shot's been around forever, how do we know a new vaccine like this can be safe. What about people with a sensitive immune system? Will people with auto immune issues be safe to take them? Pfizer can be an issue I've seen, what about moderna? I don't have food allergies like peanut or where it causes neck swelling. But I have an auto immune response to food preservatives and dyes that causes vasculitis inflammation from my legs. That's just food dyes, so if that can cause it. How do I know a foreign thing like a vaccine won't make my immune system rev up like it's actually the virus and not mimmicking it? Like overreact? I don't want a vaccine causing an HSP reaction which I had as a teenager. It's a rare disease, but I assume you know of it or heard of it since you are either a nurse or doctor taking care of icu patients?

[1truekhaleesi]

Bells palsy was not linked to the vaccine and neither was infertility. There will be a forum tomorrow for pfizer's vaccine to answer questions.

[brennanhuff]

They said the 4 patients were more likely effected by the vaccine over placebo. If it didn't cause, then there shouldn't have been a difference in likelihood with that vs non vaccine injection. And will this vaccine cause cancer, there's no long term date which is scary and scary if employers force employees to take vaccine. I understand healthcare people have to but that's different you're vulnerable to patients and around sick people all day and to protect them. I believe healthcare workers have to take flu shots and also tuberculosis shots. I remember I was going to volunteer at my local hospital before and they said it was mandatory for a flu shot and tuberculosis shot or else I'd have to wear a mask when at work. Since shots can cause neurologic effects, how do we know many years down the road something like parkinson's couldn't be linked to a vaccine. I'm not an anti vaxxer but I'm very wary for such a new vaccine. I'm nervous about the virus, but also for the vaccine. I wish treatments were available as I'd go that route insteead until maybe millions take the vaccine first and see how it goes. Or maybe two years later to see if any effects come from the shot to people who took it or not and more studies of the vaccine

[SomeBlondeChick]

As someone whose background is pharmaceutical, I wouldn't take it until mandated. And only then as a last they'd have to write an order that everyone has to take it. Simply because of the fact your claims of how the vaccine was approved is recycled don't-quite-understand-what-you're-reading malarky. For such phases to actually have taken place that would mean COVID was a pre-designed virus as many tin hat conspiracy theorists claim.

Sequencing a virus, after all, is far different than finding out if the medication actually works against it. If it was that simple then ebola would've been cured years ago as would pretty much any viral disease from HIV to viral pneumonia (and thus nobody would get sick except for bacteria). And if the COVID virus was indeed easily sequenced then there would not have been the scientists going on earlier in the year about its mutative rate.

There's also the fact Fauci was saying just a little while ago that even if the vaccine caused a death rate of 10% (about 7% death rate higher than the virus itself) it is all in all still permissible.

[lightbulb27]

Im recovering from covid-19 so I know that side of it. I wrote articles on it, it sucks terribly. Before having it, I'd think long ad hard about taking a vaccine. I never even got flu shots. Now... damn, Im going to be watching side effects and probably get it when I can.

Thank you for your front line work, I think many people just don't understand the reality and risk you take everyday ad the difficulty of dealing with these patients. I'm sure you've seen co-workers go down ill from this and many patients.

I'm reading your references... first is no good. So Ithis is based upon what I don't know... Some things just don't add up:
* How can we have worked on flu and hiv and other viruses for years or decades but not have such treatment? Flu vaccination is 40-50% effective.
* Why had Pfizer and others worked with MRNA type treatments for years assumable, but never even proposed one to market? Hugh? What aren't they telling us. It isn't just what we know but the known knowns and unknown uknowns. Maybe it all came down to liability... but if that's the case, then what were they finding in their testing (before covid showed up) that made them go slowly?
* SARS-COVID is mutating like the little F'er it is, will these mRNA's detect the all versions as effectively or are we in a situation where we are goign to get vaccinated over and over until it is more eradicated, like polio. Apparently we have beaten down some illnesses and so we are able.

I don't expect answers. When I ask my Dr. the answer is "we don't know". I don't think anyone knows.
I know front liner whose taken the injction and so far so good other than a soar arm. But is she protected? How do know?

[kespethdude]

I hope you disallowed anonymous comments on this, because just posting it here is big enough of a risk as is, due to cowards in this area using that feature to libel anyone who disagree with them. In all seriousness, it is a good topic. It really belongs under Health and Fitness, though.

[1truekhaleesi]

I wish. Too many people think masks, hand washing, and vaccines need to be debated like whether or not you believe in Santa Clause.

[djfhsjk]

I haven't really spent much time reading about mRna vaccines but from what you've said it's a sequence that will make you construct a specific protein spike. I had a question about this:

How would this trigger an immune response? Is it just because the protein spike is foreign?

[1truekhaleesi]

Yes. It's foreign so it will trigger an immune response. An immune response would be like a fever, chills, or cold like symptoms. You might not even notice an immune response. Only a small portion of people in clinical trials got like, a headache. That's also an immune response. That's your body responding to it. It goes away but your body stays in response mode.

[1truekhaleesi]

For example, I got the flu vaccine and it was a heavier dose than usual because of covid. Usually I just get a sore arm from vaccines. This year, my arm felt swelled where they gave me the shot and I had a little headache. I slept it off and was fine. That was my body reacting to the vaccine and allowing the vaccine to do it's job

[djfhsjk]

Thanks

[djfhsjk]

Can I ask you some more sciencey questions?

[djfhsjk]

Ok :(

[Hermes-Paris]

Wow. Thank you so much for all of this info. I salute your endurance during this crisis. Yes this is what we need. True science instead of silly conspiracy theories. I work on a remote project where we will be required to get vaccinated in time. I'm going to use a lot of this post to pass on to our group. Most are eager for a vaccine but a few are nervous. This will help. Thank you again.

[guesswhoseback]

Good stuff @1truekhaleesi. However what are your thoughts on the FDA delaying the vaccine’s release vis the approval process? Is this necessary protocol to protect patients or is disgusting bureaucratic bs?

Also thank you for not bringing up politics in this take.

[1truekhaleesi]

It's tough to say. The UK gave it the okay before the US. It's annoying for sure.

[guesswhoseback]

This is a stretch but if there is any evidence of the FDA stalling approval for political reasons (e. g. avoid making Trump look good) some heads need to f*cking roll and people should be locked up. Every day this got unnecessarily delayed lives are being lost.

Stretch I know. And I don’t want to start on Trump vs Biden. But from the insanity I’ve witnessed in the past few years I wouldn’t be surprised. Somebody give me one legitimate reason the UK approved this before us.

[CasaNorba]

"All of the brilliant scientists who have been working on a Zika vaccine, a universal flu vaccine, an Ebola vaccine, an HIV vaccine, and every other vaccine were told to focus on THIS disease. They have gone through the expected phases. They just did them simultaneously."
you mean the same psychos funded by Bill Gates on their quest to depopulate the world?

[1truekhaleesi]

What makes you think that you're that special?

[CasaNorba]

who said anything about anyone being special?

[CasaNorba]

Seems like I won’t be getting anymore 3rd grade response from you this time. Till then I should of known from your needs to straw man people instead of responding to the questions asked by those who challenge your views and agendas

[1truekhaleesi]

No I just have a life outside of waiting for you. Bill Gates doesn't give a shit about you. I don't interact with crazy.

[CasaNorba]

crazy? hey I take that as a complement.



and yea you're better off not interacting cause the more you do the more ignorant you're gonna sound by the way

[Pesca]

He’s a Russ bot

[CasaNorba]

@Pesca who?

are you telling me that Bender is real?

[FakeName123]

What @Levin said. "There is no mid to long term safety data."

Ignoring all those conspiracies and whatnot, we do NOT have any mid to long term data and I refuse to turn myself into a beta-tester. You may not remember, but I do remember the stories and lawsuits happening after the swine flue vaccine.

[1truekhaleesi]

There's also unknown long term health issues with getting covid-19.

[FakeName123]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Alternatively two risks don't make one neglectable. Now ideally we want to weight them against each other, but if I am having to pick between the long-term risks of an illness and that of a vaccine, I go for the first.

[1truekhaleesi]

Brain damage, encephalopathy, kidney damage, lung damage, just to name a few. With a vaccine when we already have the blueprint of SARs, cold symptoms for a day? That means it's working.
Butt hey, it's your life not mine.

[FakeName123]

Completely irrelevant without doing the math. And as far as I have seen no western countries has done random population samples to have actual data on how many people have antibodies and thus be able to assess at what percentage this illness becomes permanently damaging or worse.

Which would be absolutely necessary data in order to compare it to the percentage risk of the vaccine.

[1truekhaleesi]

We won't know that for a long time. Thanks to SARs, we already have a head start on a reliable vaccine. Scientists have been studying coronaviruses for years. Scientists who dedicated their lives to this or a virus whose only objective is too kill me. Gosh tough choice.
We just intubated a 24 year old guy. Not fun.

[FakeName123]

Did you have some math classes in your education? There is a difference between 5; 0,5 or 0,05 % of all cases becoming serious. And without knowing these numbers due to not having done random samples within the population it can't be judged how serious things are.

[Belgie]

Absolutely top notch post. Chock full of info. Excellent excellent excellent.

[1truekhaleesi]

Thank you I put a lot of work into it.

[mobjay82]

there's no way im taking this vaccine thisc whole corona virus has been fishy tom me, it goes from people not showing any symptoms to people dying, they want you to wear a face at all times breathing in your own bactaria over using hand sanitizers, killing off the good bacteria it feels like they are trying to break our immune system. so over weight people have a higher chance being infected so there solution was close all the gym down and leave all the Mcdonolds open

[1truekhaleesi]

Yep. It's a secret plot to make you a healthy while you post this from the tracking device in your hand called a phone.

[ArrowheadSW]

Nice post. I really have to hand it to you for taking care of ICU patients! You are front line to the max.

[najekim]

From what I understand, the vaccines does not make you immune to the virus, just helps reduce the symptoms of having the virus. So you can still catch it, but won't be as sick.

[1truekhaleesi]

I'll take it.

[genericname85]

hot tip: try Ivermectin. big pharma won't profit from that but at least you'll beimmune to covid and mit extremely high likelyhood recover from covid even if you have a severe case.
that's better than taking part in this human experiment. i don't know if you have a medical backround but contrary to popular believe, "billions of dollars" don't make a vaccine more safe.
safety measures are in place so that we don't have nightmares like contergan and putting those measures out of order for a disease that 99,9% of people survive is a scandal.

[1truekhaleesi]

I stated multiple times in the my take that I care for covid ICU patients. I have seen multiple people die from this disease but I guess their lives mean nothing to you because 99.9 people survive. 2,500 people are dying every day. Just short of 3,000 people died in 9/11. We are having 9/11 every day and you don't care. These companies are putting their reputation on the line for this vaccine.
Antivax agenda was promoted by big pharma.

[1truekhaleesi]

I think that people who don't want to vaccinate should have the freedom to do so.
If they think that 'Big pharma' is just trying to turn a profit or poison us all. They should be allowed to believe that. However there is one big caveat.

Then they should NOT go to the doctor or the hospital when they get sick, looking for treatment.
That's right. And here's why: Big pharma makes those antibiotics we are going to pump you full of when you are about to die from sepsis. The steroids and epi we might give you to save your life from your anaphylaxis? Yep, big pharma is behind that too.

That inhaler you need to treat your kid's asthma? Better pass on that as well, because you guessed it it's brought to you by Big P.

Having a heart attack? Better break out your essential oils and get your affairs in order, because the only thing we have to offer you is medicine and procedures brought to you by the very same people who are responsible for those vaccines you insist are evil.

Having a massive stroke? Can't talk or move half your body? Well no TPA for you. Even though it could potentially reverse every symptom of your stroke in minutes. Because big pharma is making a killing on that stuff. I think it's like $25k a pop.
And when you get diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, don't even think about chemo...
Code Blue? Don't expect us to crack open the crash cart! It's just stocked full of meds we need to get your heart beating again. Where do you think they come from?
I think you get the picture

[genericname85]

antivax agenda was promoted by big pharma? that's like saying that Bill Gates is Promoting apple xD

what's your experience with ivermectin in connection withcovid? you didn't asnwer that question i'm really interested in that.

people die unfortunately... i'm not a fan of that. i'm sure you know that roughly 7600 people die every day in the us. i'm also sure that you know that generally a very large percentage of people die to respiratory diseases (in fact it's the 3rd most frequent death cause overall). and i'm also sure you know that the percentage of people that die to that type of disease is particularly high in every flu season. that is unfortunate but not new or shocking. so it surprises me that this shocks you as you work in that area...

[1truekhaleesi]

Ivermectin is used to treat parasitic roundworm infections. Covid-19 is a virus.

[genericname85]

yes, i am fully aware of that. but it apparently successfully blocks the channels with which it's transported into the cell nucleus so it can not do any damage to the cell. it has proven to be extremely successful in prevention and cure and scientific proof for that is actually in the process of being published as we speak.

www.youtube.com/watch

i'd be curious for your professional opinion about this.

[genericname85]

i mean since you're in the field, might as well check it out. ivermectin is as far as i know not terribly dangerous if you don't have some particular allergies besides rarely causing a diarrhea. so hey, it won't hurt trying. it will definitely hurt less than trying a highly experimental vaccine :D and trust me, i'm a fan of vaccines in general ;)

[genericname85]

also, i wanna make sure that you don't think i'm one of those morons that believe in essential oils or homeopathy xD though you have to admit that "placebo" effects are nothing to scoff at. i generally am not averse to science and medicine at all. in fact i use it to treat my asthma but i make sure that i know what i'm taking... and that it is in fact necessary. i'm thankfull that big pharma exists but i don't blindly trust them.

remember how everyone swore cigarrettes were healthy?

[1truekhaleesi]

We don't use experimental treatment from youtube in the covid-19 ICU. Ivermectin is used for lice treatment.

[genericname85]

this is not "experimental medicine from youube". this is medicine that is way LESS experimental than this new rna vaccine. you say this rna vaccine is harmless. you might be right. you might also be wrong. anyway the ones that are being tested here very ineffective. they reduce your risk of having a covid positvie pcr test by 90% compared to no vaccine, which sounds a lot but considering that it reduced the risk of getting covid from only 0,43% to 0,04%, which is an absolute risk reduction of only 0,39%... but i'm sure you're familiar with those calculations.

anyway, as i said: i know what it is used for normally. but there has been a team of lung specialists around Professor Dr Pierre Kory hard at work at finding repurposable old medicine and they have found ivermectin as a possibly very effetive cure AND prevention they are right now publishing the proof and upon peer review we will know how valid their claims are but well... still better trying it than dying right? specially if the harm is = zero, while the harm of the vaccine is= ?

you should know that repurposing of medicine is not uncommon. i mean take the popular drug Viagra. it was originally meant for hypertension but it also seemed to make mens dicks hard, so now they take it for that... so don't be so close minded towards repurposing drugs. do you wanna rescue people or let them die?

[genericname85]

again, i'm a fan of vaccines. but if a risk/benefit analysis of a given vaccine turns out negative, i won't take it. and the covid vaccine will have a negative risk/benefit calculation that makes it unreccomendable for anybody under 70, even if the vaccine turns out to have no negative delayed side effects above what is usual and it effective for longer than half a year, cause the risk of covid is actually so low for under 70 year olds.

[1truekhaleesi]

Thanks but no thanks. I'll listen to the scientists who dedicated their lives to this. We already have the blueprint thanks to SARs and scientists have been studying coronaviruses for years.

[1truekhaleesi]

"do you wanna rescue people or let them die?"

You'd be wise to learn to shut the fuck up.

[brennanhuff]

I rather go without vacciens though and with treatments instead. I've read how promising rlf 100 can be or avitapadil. I hope I'm spelling it right. Supposed to be through late phases by mid to late decenmber. Much more effectie then remdisivir, which that isn't; even that effective I've read and so much cheaper. A man with double lung transplant, dying from covid. I mean if there's the ultimate vulnerable person and not only recovered in a hospital after the rlf 100 drug which uses a version of natural peptides I believe that protect the lungs. I think it also blocks, but really helps thrward inflmmation which is very important and protects the aveoli in the lungs that fill up with fluid and why patients drown in fluid and need a ventilator if in bad condition. Also I believe the peptides protect th lungs from drying out which causes the lung inflammation too. It's one of the few I've been following compared to the other drugs. That would be used in a hospital and inhaled, but I think if goes well can go through trials and probably become an out patient nebulizer. I think that's huge and could help for failry healthy people which this could turn severe for, but good enough immune systems that with some good anti virual treatment early will have mild symptoms and faster recovery from the aid of such drug allowing immune system to take care of the virus

[genericname85]

@brennanhuff the vaccine is not tested properly and claiming it's harmless, is either lying or passively spreading a lie. The only true claim you can make is "we do not know the kind of harm, this vaccine may or may not do and it is not very successful at preventing the disease at this point."

[saud1998]

All this shit was planned by Bill Gates 8 years ago. Along came Mr. Fauci and Communist China. All 3 of them are going to make hella money with this vaccine. Just another way for the government to control us. At the end of the day, there's no way in hell I'm taking that bs

[1truekhaleesi]

My vaccine is free. I'm getting it Friday. Fauci has been doing a lot of work in pandemics. Like in HIV. You don't know about that because it took a long, long time for Reagan to even say HIV. RNA vaccines will save the world.

[1truekhaleesi]

Besides, you're not worth microchipping.

[saud1998]

Lmao, believe what you want.

[saud1998]

What is your take on the "Coronavirus"? Do you think it was all planned? ↗

Here's a "Mytake" on the subject. If anyone cares to voice their opinion.

[jack187625]

An interesting one is that two NHS nurses had an allergic reaction to the Pfizer vaccine, worth noting.

https://www. telegraph. co. uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-vaccine-pfizer-nhs-oxford-covid-uk-cases/

[1truekhaleesi]

You can have an allergic reaction to a lot of different medication

[AccidentalCompliance]

I'm allergic to penicillin, doesn't mean its not effective to people that aren't allergic

[jack187625]

Wasn't trying to imply that, just that people should be aware that they MAY have an allergic reaction

[R3DthatDude]

My question is if it does alter your DNA, where did this rumor come from, why do people think it does?

[1truekhaleesi]

Conspiracy theorists. My work is paying for my vaccine. If I change into the X-Men, I'll let you know.

[CasaNorba]

dude she is not gonna tell you shit. expecting these answers from people like her is like expecting employees at McDonalds to tell you about all the hazardous chemicals the food they're serving you contains.

till then I'll tell you exactly where does rumors come from. they come from the people who ask questions and do research on the people who PAY her to vaccinate people

[1truekhaleesi]

@CasaNorba and here we have exhibit A of our conspiracy theorists.

[CasaNorba]

@1truekhaleesi despite both beginning with the letter C a CRITICAL thinker and CONSPIRACY theorist aren't the same

[1truekhaleesi]

@CasaNorba no they're two different words. Nothing gets past you. You're so observant.

[R3DthatDude]

The reason I’m concerned is because I’ve never had any critical health issues, I’ve always been healthy. All of sudden I here they found a vaccine which timeline seems rushed. I’m scared of human error. I’m not sheep, I like to understand things. This vaccine has the potential to heal or leave a lasting health defect on me, You say it’s worth the risk, but I don’t because if anything happens to me no one will care. Just another casualty statistics of the vaccine. My job will force this vaccine on me, so I want to know how to respond. I Will look at the podcast you posted

[Levin]

@R3DthatDude you're listening to your conscience and your critical faculties. Fail to do that in your peril.

in my opinion, you'd have to be absolutely crazy to take this vaccine. The sheer arrogance of these scientists is astounding.

[FatherJack]

@Levin those same bought scientists are on the payroll of certain families attending the WEF @ Davos... hhmmm?

[Levin]

@FatherJack I mean, there's a lot of forces at work. Clearly there's a lot of highly intelligent people in these fields, infinitely more so than me! But if you've made your way through these systems, and get the ego benefit of being highly socially regarded as a doctor for example, there's no reason to question them. Outsiders question! Intelligence doesn't by necessity mean critical thinking.

I found this video interesting, on the question of whether these 'vacations' will make you GM. Of course, I can't evaluate the science, I don't have that kind of knowledge, and I'm sure this is conspiratorial nonsense. Having said that, it's a very interesting video:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WobUtaRbXtEB/

[Espresso-Grande]

This a great Take. Very informative.

I've been trying to find out more information about the vaccine, but didn't find much. So thanks for this. It has answered some questions that I had.

[User2300]

Here's the thing. Most vaccines take years to develop and test before is offered to the public. The Zika outbreak was in 2015 and there's still no vaccine. The issue most people have is that this vaccine was developed in 7-8months and that's very unsettling.

Good read tho. 👍

[1truekhaleesi]

Scientists have been studying coronaviruses for years. We also have a blueprint to go off of because of SARs. SARs and covid are 80% similar. We don't need a vaccine for zika because 283,000 in the US aren't dead from zika.

[1truekhaleesi]

Also the biggest reason vaccines take so long is the lack of funding and resources.

[User2300]

That still doesn't bring comfort to people knowing that a vaccine have been fast tracked unlike every other vaccine we get.

[1truekhaleesi]

I gave you a reason why vaccines take so long. You don't have to take it if you don't want