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I wish abortion wasn't necessary at all, that all unintentional pregnancies could be avoided, all health issues could be fixed, etc.
But unfortunately that's not the case, so denying abortion would do absolutely no good to anyone
Until (if ever) abortion isn't necessary anymore, denying it will only lead to more issues, for example more unsafe DIY abortions
So, to answer the question, I think women should have the right to abortion and access to a psychologist/counselor to help with the decision and with the emotional issues which may appear after the abortion as well as support and options if they decide to give birth.
The only truly necessary reason for abortion is if being pregnant threatens the life of the woman.
Pregnancy is 100% avoidable.
First off I just want to say that this was not only very well written but very respectful! I also love that you put a disclaimer at the beginning. While I do disagree that abortion is morally wrong I respect your opinion, which I feel like I can rarely say because people on opposing sides are usually nasty.
That is an intelligent, well thought out post. One point. Zygotes and every cell in a fetus do reproduce through cell division, so even that disclaimer was unecessay. (My opinion)
A new life begains at conception. That is just a biological fact. The ethical question is about when we believe that life has value; at what point in its development do we consider it a person.
I'm not a fan of abortion, but I don't claim to know what is right for everyone. Personally, I believe a fetus becomes a person once it is a conscious being and not just a collection of cells. I don't think we have the ability to know exactly when that is, so I draw the line at the point when itvis able to respond to stimulus.
When does life begin? That question was already settled in Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Appeal to authority. Not a good argument. Especially, a religeous authority.
Abortion is murder. It's the same as smothering a baby with a pillow. They're both dependant on others for survival and cannot live on their own. They both have a genetic code that is different from their mothers. They both are simply human beings in a vulnerable state. Murdering this person who is innocent of any right or wrong and wholly relies on you is just about as evil as you can get.
What is wrong with abortion for economic reasons? Should contraception fail and the mother isn't financially secure enough to raise a child then termination is a valid reason. Similarly if a student gets pregnant it would be more logical to abort so she could finish her studies then have a baby later in life rather than end up a single mother in a low paid job.
So in other words, if a person can't support themselves, they should be aborted too right? That's what happens when you base the right to murder on finances. Let that sink in.
There's no good answer to this question... Either we talk about the value of human life and the ethics of preserving it, or we talk about women rights, and how the woman is still entitled to what happens inside her body, as the fetus is slowly developing inside her womb...
Personally I also consider what messed up life the child will lead when they're an accident, if you're considering abortion... A life of insecurities is the least you can expect... So just having the child because abortion isn't an option, but not giving them all the love in the world might be a faith worse than death.
I think yes but I also think if married no the husband must sign off on it. I personally don’t believe in abortion but I think not allowing it takes away freedoms. But like I said when married I think my husband has every right to stop an abortion. Like if a girl says I don’t want a kid and the guy says then I’ll raised the child sign her off to me. I think the guy should be allow that right the same right a women has!
It relates to thi: either you believe IN God or not.
If you do not believe in God, then go on and do it.
If you believe in it, then you know it is Him who create and destroy. So you have no right in deciding as you will be trialed for it.
Whether you are or not, it does not matter as long each one agrees and stays in their limit.
Atheists can believe abortion is immoral.
@NoManToo Agreed. It comes down to ethics and values, a required university class. When there is life and it feels pain, is it really ethical?
@NoManToo there are some atheists that believe that there is something that govern the world. They do not believe in religion but in some higher power.
@Sparky99 it comes nobody can say whether you can or not. It is an answer you and each one need to find.
It is like a research. You do it without knowing the conclusion. Only when you got the conclusion you will know if it was right or not. So same here. When you die you will know if it was right or wrong.
In all religions, it is said that it is God itself who gives the child. If He does not want, whatever you do, you won't. Secondly do you think that God will give someone something she can bear nor raise. At the end of the day, you owns nothing, neither your baby.
I've always struggled with this concept although it is her body and pregnancy is hell her decisions cause the conception of that life but on the other hand it is straight murder it’s like me waking around murdering anyone that inconvenienced me because life’s too hard
If this really is an issue for men. Ask the women about there thoughts on abortion before you fuck them. Stop fucking women that won't have one. Or only fuck girl you date and want a long term relationship with. Or wear a condom and pull out. Solutions. I give you NOW solution not LATER solutions. Vote me for Pres of the USA.
I didn't read all that, I don't need to she should have a right for abortion. What I am missing is the right for men to legally reject being the father of a child. Ie no child support, no co-living. If the woman wants to go ahead without him, she can but then she has to take full responsibility of raising that child and he won't have any claims in any form.
A well written argument, which I disagree in part with. I think it is very idealistic to think that solving all of the issues you said to address will somehow negate the need for legal abortion. I do think they would reduce the incidences of abortion greatly, but that rate would never quite get to zero. I applaud you for being able to separate morality from legality- there are many people who struggle with separating the two.
I heard how even a fetus fights the mothers T-cells, IN OTHER WORDS, the mother is fighting a foreign body in itself which is the baby that is growing on the inside. So NO, women shouldn't have the right to Murder! Its brutal murder no matter how you look at it though.
Parasite
@BlackCatBone a very adorable parasite... th.bing.com/.../OIP.1SJxPFKL4Jv_U4yNE2VHJAHaEo
come on admit it, admit it.
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Parasite. That's it.
@BlackCatBone Sounds like what the Nazis said about some people. Oh, right, the Jews. "Parasites".
Adolf Hitler: “The Jew was only and always a parasite in the body of other peoples..."
@Naydyonov It's completely different.
@BlackCatBone Doesn't sound like it. Sounds like a comparison of human life to parasites. So, if you'd like to explain how it differs, go ahead.
Quoting you "I think pro-lifers who wish to ban abortion should focus on caring for pregnant women and women's health"
How exactly would one do that? If the couple if married the husband and wife are a team, or should be. It would be kind of hard for other people to get involved.
I not even sure how someone would focus on caring for pregnant women and womens health.
I'm thinking beyond giving them money, what else could one do?
Yes they should and no they shouldn't.
Yes if they have been assaulted or etc.
No if they just want to shaq without responsibility.
In my opinion.
Although. All the legal work, the exceptions, the timeframe, rules/laws should be discussed and agreed upon by only biological women.
Not up to men to decide that.
What if the women wanted to have sex, normally, but was later told bad news by the doctor (some issue that baby may have or that labor could be dangerous to the woman). Is it fair then too?
Also I don't really agree that men shouldn't have a say since both men and women together make the child. Unless the man was a rapist or someone of that kind, shouldn't a father have a say what happen to his child?
Losing 2 lives is worse than losing 1. Hard decision to say when to end a life, or when to carry on.
Men get attached to kids after they are born. They also have no health risks involved or other that type of things.
I think by default it would be nice to leave the guys out of that decision. Even though it can completely f up the guys life too, either way.
Sex should be done more responsibly on both sides. It's not a good road to let the abortions be too easy process and such, not that it's pleasant, but you know.
People tend to want to have silly fun with no real consequences. Fun is good, we also have brains and tools. Use them.
Fair enough, educating women (and men) regarding responsibility wouldn't be a bad thing. Do you have any opinion on the legality of the situation?
Also, many women who were raped and assaulted do not abort their child, and of those who do, 80% said that it was the wrong solution. "in the only major study of pregnant rape victims ever done, Dr. Sandra Mahkorn, MPH, MS, found that 75–85% of victims did not abort their children. " Killing the child doesn't punish the rapist or undo the rape, the deed is still done and justice still need to be sought after.
i am pro choice but there has to be a predetermined time limit and it cannot be two minutes before the baby is born naturally. I don't know what that is and I am not sure who should determine it. I just know it should not be a priest or a politician.
A fetus is not a child, not a person. It has no right to life. It's an unconscious bit of protoplasm. It's not near consciousness until sometime in the 3rd trimester.
So it only becomes human when it pops out its mother's vagina?
Seriously?
Babies are born months premature.
So please name the exact point that the protoplasm you speak of becomes human life?
@NoManToo You are invoking the fallacy of the beard (https://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Sorites_paradox). There is no exact point, it's a gradual process. But we know that in the first two trimesters the fetus is nowhere near consciousness. There are other legal questions that are similar. We don't know exactly when someone is too drunk to drive, so we make it illegal to drive with a blood alcohol concentration above 0.08%.
So you are using a subjective alcohol limit as an analogy as to when human life becomes human life?
By scientific definition it is human life through out pregnancy.
Let's talk facts.
Then you can argue ethics.
The right to choose is the lady's perogative the May be many reasons that bringing a baby into a situation is bad
Financially
An abusive relation ship
The mother has no support network and wouldn't mentaly cope with a child
These thins also need to be taken into consideration
It's not just a black and white situation
Don't want or cope with a kid?
Make sure you get pregnant.
Problem solved.
Not always that simple mistakes and accidents happen
No woman gets pregnant "by accident".
It's cause and effective.
All it takes is taking control of ones reproductive system.
Don't want a kid? Make sure you don't get pregnant.
Ok but condoms break men rape ladies
People in abusive relationships get sexualy abused relationships break up and people are left with no financial means to look after a child
All these factors plus a million others also need to e taken into affect the unborn may have a congenital illness that makes it not viable it's not just a black and white question or answer
In the case of rape, a woman needs to go to the nearest ER. Have a rape kit done. Take the Plan B pill. No pregnancy.
Hopefully the rapist is convicted with the DNA evidence from the rape kit and will placed in prison until he is incapable of raping again.
@NoManToo ur an idiot m. Plan B isn’t 100% effective and in cases of abusive relationships or if someone is very poor an ER visit is not an option. If ur pro life then why do u have no regard for the fact that banning abortions actually has proven to lead to increased deaths since desperate women often resort to dangerous “diy” abortion methods? Use ur brain. Legalizing abortions saves lives bc people can go to professional doctors instead of having to resort to desperate and dangerous methods. Those who are morally against abortion do and always will have the right to not get one but don’t push ur beliefs on others in order to appear morally superior because the fact is u don’t care about life, you talk about rape like it’s nothing, and ur clearly morally bankrupt.
You abortion zealots can't deal with logic. But that is okay.
FYI. Extremely poor people get free medical care in this country. Ever hear of Medicaid?
Plus, call me all names you want. You won't hurt my feelings. Doing so just makes you look childish.
Agreed legalise to make it safe I can't belive in this day and age that a sensible country makes it illegal
As i have said there aremany reasons that an abortion may be done
@NoManToo uhh actually open your eyes extremely poor people struggle with medical bills regular people go bankrupt because of medical bills all the time. I don't know what world ur living in but it’s not reality. And ur the one who isn’t using logic. Is it logical to ban something in the name of saving lives when it has been proven that banning it in fact increases deaths? Where’s the logic in that?
@NoManToo the average cost of an ER visit was over $1,000. For a woman who’s in an abusive relationship she is likely getting raped more than once. You expect that woman to go to the ER every single time, especially when it’s highly likely she isn’t in control of her finances? And add to that the fact that a rape kit must be done within less than a week of the rape occurring and that women don’t just get raped right away and go oh I’m pregnant. It takes at least a few weeks for someone to realize their pregnant. You really expect, that every single time, after going through such a traumatic event like rape, that a woman is going to have the state of mind to say “oh in case I’m pregnant and want to get an abortion let me make sure within this week to go to the ER spend all this money and get a rape kit done”. That is just not realistic and nor is it fair to the woman. Banning abortions just makes it harder for women in unfortunate situations. You just want to ban it so you can feel good about yourself and think to yourself “wow I’m a good person”. You clearly haven’t put any thought into how banning abortion actually affects people. You are selfish and like I said you are not in fact pro life cause you have no regard for life. You just care about thinking you’re better and more moral than everyone else.
Abortions will always exist. I'd rather them be safer for the mother. So yes, I do believe women have a right to do what they please with their bodies.
I agree that women have a right to their own body, but we're not talking about her body. We're talking about the fetus's body. The fetus is only developing, it isn't becoming more human, that it already is. It may lack some qualities, like self-awareness, but adults also lack these qualities occasionally- it doesn't make it anymore justifiable to kill a mentally disabled adult than a fetus. Children are born without any self-awareness, yet to kill them would be infanticide.
I am talking about her body. The fetus/baby is inside the mother's body. Fetuses don't have a conscience. I don't remember my time in my mother's womb and wouldn't have known or cared if I had been aborted.
You're making the argument that I tried arguing against. People can be injured without feeling the pain,
"For example, a temporarily comatose person who is suffocated to death “experiences no harm,” but he is nevertheless harmed. Hence, one does not have to experience harm, which is sometimes manifested in hurt, in order to be truly harmed."
If we are going to judge a person's personhood by whether they are or are not conscious, then a sleeping person or a person who temporally passed out would not be human anymore.
Babies still have a body of their own and are not parasitic in any manner. To kill it would be to violate it's own bodily autonomy as a person like the one you're advocating the woman to have (although this isn't her own).
@MichelleBeauty It's almost as if it's because we have different opinions 🤯
I don't consider babies a parasite. I do consider abortion a necessary evil. I understand not wanting to endure pregnancy, or child birth. It fucks up your body and your head.
That isn't what I meant,
It's like saying "This my phone is off because it ran out of batteries" and you immediately replying with "Why is your phone off". You made a point that I had already argued against. I'm not for outlawing abortion but that doesn't make it morally correct. Just because your allowed to cut off your dog's tail or burn your cat's ears legally doesn't mean you should.
No shit. I was answering your question.
i think a "general right" for abortion should only be a thing in rape cases. otherwise i only condone it after psychological caunseling. so not "generally" but only in specifica cases. cause after all, an abortion is not like buying a condom... it shouldn't be generally completely prohibited either tho.
i don't get the "my body my decision" argument. you had sex and now you're pregnant with a baby. this isn't about your body. it's about the babies body. if you got raped, i get it. it add insult to injury to keep it. but otherwise i only see few valid reasons.