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Why is it woke to tell the truth about Christopher Columbus? (Page 3)
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I think people who cherry pick portions of history to cancel are insane losers. All of human history is horrible. History is there to learn from it not hide.
Yeah, so why weren't we told the horrible things about Columbus?
I mean your arguments are all so pathetic. We were lied to. And all you are doing is defending the lie, the fantasy. . . by telling us history was bad.
That's pitiful.
Its not woke in any way. History knows what a fuck up Columbus was. Wokesters need to read some history.
The anti woke culture can be as toxic as the other one
Thanks for sharing this educational piece of your blog. I have no idea about this. I know he is the great explorer but i don't trust the book 100% though. I'm just okay he is the great explorer... so?
I am not sure what your response is.
If he was such a great explorer, why didn't he use the incredibly accurate information that the Greeks worked out, only 1200 years before he set sail?
@schittywok I get it. You are a fucking idiot.
And I am done with your childish rants. If you want, create your own take.
It's not. Woke necessarily it's because it falls into cancel culture.
I think if you dig deep enough you'll find examples from every country of their leaders and heros doing Terrible things.
But why would you not post the truth? I mean what does cancel culture have to do with that? You can celebrate the guy all you want. Why expect that from other people given what is known? MLK cheated on his wife. Some people can't honor him because of that. Muhammad Ali refused to fight for the military. Some folks call him a draft dodger.
Why on earth would I be mad because some dude doesn't like Ali?
That's just stupid.
It's America post whatever you want as long as it's not on a cancleling site like Facebook
Why do people come to my takes to post nonsense.
What does this have to do with Columbus?
@RolandCuthbert Why not the rest of the truth that most people in history were little different? That what distinguished Columbus is what he achieved.
The fact that some people want to expect historical figures to live up to their own standards is ridiculous.
If your going to tear down the historical monuments and omit from the text books what said men did do with enormous effects upon the world today for failing meet every other standard you will have no history at all.
Columbus did in fact discover the new world, that other people had found it earlier matters not because they failed to secure that discovery which is really the entire point.
I call cancel culture in terms of history. Intercultural book burning
@lucas262 I didn't know you cancel someone by simply telling the truth about them.
Why would anyone want to be fed these lies?
People in Columbus' time did not think the world was flat.
In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue… with a whole lot of maps and information about the very round Earth. Contrary to popular belief, not only did Columbus realize the world was round, so did his contemporaries. In fact, it was so well accepted that daring seafarers had been exploring the Atlantic for hundreds of years before Columbus’ time. Without a doubt, men of the early Renaissance knew the world was round, and that the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria were in no danger of sailing over the edge.
@monorprise Nothing you posted has anything to do with my point.
The point is, we were lied to about what Columbus did and what he stood for. And you seem to be upset that people could have the freedom to worship, admire him, or hate him.
Maybe that is just something you will have to live with. And maybe this freedom of choice isn't "woke". Maybe everyone should have the freedom to choose. Lying to children at such a young age, is indoctrination.
What happened. Happened. There are a thousand tragic stories in history. Tell it how it is it dosnt matter. It'd foolish to say oh well that wasn't very woke of people in 1400 to do such and such maybe not and the why not say the truth about it all
And again, that has nothing to do with point is. . . because what happened actually didn't happen.
Columbus didn't discover the world was round. He wasn't a great man. Even in his time, he was stripped of his titles and put in prison.
Things I didn't know until I was an adult and being curious, I did the research.
You are here blabbing about the justification of Taino genocide.
Just weird.
I don't know what the fuck y'all are talking about. Either Columbus was or wasn't a Mass murderer or colonized Cuba or he wasn't. My argument is about woke people canceling him and other historical figures based on their modern day morals
@RolandCuthbert We were lied to about a lot of thing far more important and consequential to our lives than what Columbus believed or did apart from discovering the new world. Which frankly what the main thing my school said about him.
The fact that you were not given the context of the rest of the story led you and others to judge Columbus as if he were a modern man subject to your values. This is ironically the same 'woke' half truth they tell about America.
Nevermind the far worse evil common about the rest of the world, lets just focus on all the contemptible things America did as if it happened in a virtuous planet where people had every opportunity to know or feel as you do about theses actions.
That is the lies the 'woke' mob tells people who don't know any better.
What the fuck are you talking about? Learning the truth about Columbus is now "woke"? And somehow it is anti-work to believe the fucking stupid ass lies.
Get that nonsense out of here.
Soon eating fucking Cheerios will be woke. And your stupid ass will comply over a fucking label.
@monorprise Well, you were lucky. Because my school said he discovered the world was round. He was this “genius” you see. He could tell the world was round because he saw that the ships dipped below the horizon when sailing out to sea.
That was a stupid ass lie.
He was kind and courteous to the Indigenous. But we learned plenty about the cruelty of the Aztecs, the Inca and the Mayans.
That was a stupid ass lie.
He was revered and loved by his subjects and the contemporaries of his day.
That was a stupid ass lie.
If you want to talk about the “woke” truth about America, create your own thread. I have much to say about the “woke” truth about America. Because I sure didn’t learn anything about any non-“White” contributions to America, save MLK. All my knowledge about Malcolm X, Medger Evers, the Five little girls in Birmingham, Chrispus Attacks, Chief Joseph, Chief Plenty Coups, Yuri Kochiyama, Vincent Chin, Roberto Clemente, Cesar Chavez, etc. all came from study after high school.
It is funny you guys talk about wokeness in education, yet you can name one single example. I await your take on this. Otherwise here we will discuss Columbus.
I don't know what you mean, I'm not reading all that shit. I don't have a woke bone in my body. You miss my point
I don't give a fuck what you read. Get off mytake and go back to whacking to pornhub.
Maybe I will. Your question is why is it woke to tell the truth about Columbus. I said it's not exactly woke it more like cancel culture. Iv seen people saying to cancel him and take his statues down that is to what I'm referring. Aside from that I don't know what the hell uall are on about.
What is the difference between wokism and cancel culture?
Do you even know?
It just seems like a convenient way to avoid this nagging thing called truth.
Pornhub awaits.
@RolandCuthbert This detail is among the least important things schools tell children that is simply not true. Indeed the lies spoken of about Lincoln's war are far more consequential to the existence of our freedom than anything Columbus did or didn't do.
@monorprise Again, it was important to tell children that he was a genius. Even as the Greeks had discovered the world was round and calculated its approximate circumference, a mere twelve hundred years before. It was important to tell children that he was "civilized". And that the Indigenous were savages. And it is important now to pretend that correcting the record and telling the truth is somehow political. While the lies about his life were somehow not. . . even as they were lies.
I learned more lies about Columbus than I ever learned about Lincoln. I learned more about WWII, the Middle Ages, etc. . . than I ever learned about the Civil war.
But again, if you want to create a take on the Civil War, go right ahead. I have participated before and I will again. But you are not going to discuss that here.
@RolandCuthbert It is important to tell children he discovered the New World, and for many of his day the fact the world was round. Just because the Greeks and many others knew this 1200 years before does not mean everyone did or believed it well enough to travel.
This charting a new course and proving to everyone there is something to be found is the key thing Columbus bravely did that no one else did before him and the reason children should learn about him.
Columbus was definitely "Civilized" by the definition of the day, just as many of the Native Americans particular some of them on the islands he discovered who were still hunter gathers were by the same contemporary definition savages.
@monorprise Again, that is not what happened. To claim he discovered something is a lie. But the funny thing is this isn't even about that, since we were told lies about his genius, the flat earth, his kindness and his navigational skills. Why lie? Then when someone tries to correct the record, resort to lying even more?
The problem with this analysis is that he didn't plot some new course. That's just taking your moral/ethical standards and projecting them back in time. Plenty of people new the world was round. They lacked funding to plot this new route. And probably because they believed in the accuracy of prior estimates, they were not going to make this journey without proper supplies and preparation. Columbus naively believed the earth was much smaller. So he took on the journey ill-prepared which lead to him almost having a mutiny by his crew. It was simply blind luck he found the West Indes.
No, he was definitely not civilized by the standards of his day. If that is so then you could say the same for the Indigenous he met.
@RolandCuthbert Anyone can claim they discovered anything if they didn't know of it before. For Columbus pretty much nobody in the Eastern Hemisphere knew of the Western Hemisphere nor anyone in Western Hemisphere knew of Eastern Hemisphere. Many among both didn't even recognize that the world was round.
So no to say Columbus discovered the America is the truth. To say he was the first human to ever discover the Americas would not be true.
You were told untrue things by people who may or may not have known better, all of which was ultimately unimportant. What is important is the example Columbus set in bravely setting out into the unknown to discover a new world.
Culture and industry is very much about our stories people grow up with such stories and are inspire to do the next thing. Driving forward our civilization, the entire story isn't really the point of such stories. Learning from mistakes only matters so long as you remain driven to keep going.
As for your "Correcting" the record I can't say i agree what your telling is anymore honest and regardless misses the point of the Columbus story all together.
@monorprise
Well, I won’t be keep droning on and on.
I am going to see 3000 years of longing and forget about GaG tonight.
most of humanity was built on murder and plundering even when it wasn’t white guys doing it. I don't know why liberal art majors think it’s so earth shattering that columbus wasn’t any different.
Why do so many people here avoid point being made?
I don't about you. But almost nothing I was told about Columbus was true in grade school. Why indoctrinate kids? Then make the claim that telling them the truth is indoctrination.
sure it’s like like how they say the new deal brought us out of the depression when it actually extended it?
Well, when you can address the take, try posting again.
columbus
is the nephew of king lackland
who was a satanist
when he came to america
is was to create a satanic nation
and to create a fake free will
and free choice society
while enslaving society with green paper
Accurate history is not woke. But history should be complete, bot slanted.
And how do we achieve such a remarkable feat? When teaching the truth is now a political football.
You thoroughly research the other side of demonizing a historical figure
Really? Columbus has been demonized?
I did not say that. I only warned against it.
Well, this take is about the aforementioned historical figure.
He commuted mass genocide and I hate him that’s all I can rlly say 🙂
Yes, he did. And the weird thing is the folks who disagree with the take. . . don't seem to understand he never made it to America. He never set foot on this continent.
Yet they defend his actions because of the wars American Indian tribes had with one another.
It is the craziest nonsense I have ever seen. The Taino Indians went extinct shortly after died. Their culture has been erased from this earth.
I’m Taino and it’s literally a dying people. Everyone thought Tiano’s were dead bc of no records and everything being taken away.
When I got my DNA kit back I was confused bc I thought Taino’s were gone. I can’t believe people still defend him 🤦🏽♀️
People don’t like to except that fact that he killed, raped, kidnapped, abused the people and the lands
some people in here are just dumb 🤦🏽♀️
Wow. Is there any kind of group or organization that is trying to gather what is left of the culture or history of Taino Indians? I lead a culture discussion group, I would like to inquire with some folks. Many people in my group are interested.
I don’t know any no be honest. I live in a place where no one cares about that rlly and there's no groups. I would love to learn more about where I come from tbh but I don’t know much
Understood.
Thanks for your post. Maybe some of the folks in my group can point me in the right direction.
Where did he set his feet on then?
The Bahamas
But everyone bitched (Libtards). They all bitched and moaned when Bush W. "illegally" waged war on Iraq. Shit, Saddam Hussein committed mass genocide. That reason, and that fucking reason alone was enough to spear head the on the ground efforts. Fucking mental.
@Literalbillionaire17 That is rich. Very extremely rich. Biden diddled his daughter Straight up showered with her? Okay, okay. Let's go back to child hood. For one, you have baths with your parents as a youngster. 100% buck naked, pictures all around. At a certain age via sports, or whatever, even at 3rd Grade you take showers ALONE. At some point Biden took inappropriate showers? Shit, there's no such thing as appropriate showers with youngsters, especially when you are a rich boob!
Rich boobs have mansions. They have multi bathrooms. They even have as the English pronounce it, BEE days. Bi fucking dets. Bidets?
Everything you said IS woke. Jeep will be building the new Columbus and Grand Columbus to slot above the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer models.
We need to keep building more Cherokees, Wagoneers, and Columbuses to keep triggering the libs
You make no fucking sense
@bingbongbangbung Yeah, I don't think the dude deals with the same reality that we do.
Columbus gets way too much attention, Leif Erikson made it to Canada centuries before Columbus landed in the Caribbean.
Yeah, there is that. We could have talked about the Vikings just a little bit.
Education is so weird in this country.
You're just being brainwashed by wokes and wondering why repeating woke's lies makes you a woke?
Did you even think about the question before asking it? Lol
You're lost like a black hole
What the fresh hell is this? Another incel batshit insane troll. Where are all you guys coming from?
You crack me up... nice videos
You will love AceVane. I think he is on to your type of humor, I think. I have to admit, the voiceovers he does by himself are hilarious. I can't believe he did the Queen of Spain here.
Thanks... I'll check it out and I didn't know I have a sense of humor...
I am sure you have a sense of humor. But AceVane is an acquired taste. Some of his stuff is really rough.
Is there more than just the one account of the genocide?
With Columbus?
Does there need to be more than one?
Because one mans account of something doesn't make it fact obviously. So is there additional evidence?
Seems like you're just hate mongering frankly.
Wait a minute. Columbus gave his singular account of his exploits. But we are supposed to believe that. I cite numbers sources like Las Casas, Francisco de Bobadilla, Antonio de Montesinos, and Michele de Cuneo.
And remember, Michele de Cuneo was his lifelong friend. And he explains;
"While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful woman, whom the Lord Admiral [Columbus] gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked — as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. I then took a piece of rope and whipped her soundly, and she let forth such incredible screams that you would not have believed your ears. Eventually we came to such terms, I assure you, that you would have thought she had been brought up in a school for whores."
How many times you going to let someone rewrite history?
Well, I dunno. You would think we would have used the historical accounts of Columbus.
But we never did.
"One time I saw four or five important native nobles roasted and broiled upon makeshift grills. They cried out pitifully. This thing so troubled our Captain that he could not sleep. He commanded that they be strangled to end their misery. The Sergeant (I know him and his friends from Seville) would not strangle them but put bullets into their mouths instead.
I have seen all these things and others infinite. Most tried to flee. They tried to hide in the mountains. They tried to flee from these men. Men who were empty of all pity, behaving like savage beasts. They are nothing more than slaughterers and enemies of mankind. These evil men had even taught their hounds, fierce dogs, to tear natives to pieces at first sight."
How do you know who’s telling the truth and who isn’t?
What account disputes Las Casas, Columbus' journal, the entries by his men, and others who went with him on various voyages?
What account disputes that he was sacked and put in prison for his crimes? I mean even Columbus acknowledges that. Nevermind that he was reinstated. He was found guilty by the Spanish court.
Are you saying that history is a conspiracy too?
Francisco de Bobadilla wrote;
One man caught stealing corn had his nose and ears cut off, was placed in shackles and was then auctioned off as a slave. A woman who dared to suggest that Columbus was of lowly birth was punished by his brother Bartolomé, who had also travelled to the Caribbean. She was stripped naked and paraded around the colony on the back of a mule. "Bartolomé ordered that her tongue be cut out." Christopher congratulated him for defending the family."
Same reason it’s “woke” to mention that this country’s foundation is built on the genocide of the original owners
Cause people hate to hear the truth.
Columbus is the man
The Vikings were here first about 1054 AD
The native Americans beat them by about 9000 years
christopher colubus had ship