Well, great. Go your own way without women. Thats up to you. I could care less. Just don't see why some MGTOWs just love to be so vocal about it. Just go, be free, we don't care. Don't wanna marry? Great, good for you 👍🏽 img.pandawhale.com/...ool-cool-cool-gif-C-Vy8d.gif
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Well if you want my response to it, then I think MGTOWs have always existed. If you think about it, in traditional relationships the male has always been the one who has to financially support the family, and I guess some men don't want that and prefer to be on their own and focus on their own success. Feminists want women to NOT rely on men for financial support, so basically MGTOWs have kind of got it all twisted. As for me I can't take MGTOWs that serious because in my family, my mum is the financial support or the "bread winner" and my dad is the housedad who relies on her money and takes care of the kids.
The whole idea of this website is to answer questions, not to go around spamming other people.
You obviously know NOTHING of traditions and are just spreading lies. Relationships are feminist arrangements in and of themselves, so there's nothing like a "traditional relationship". It's just feminist bullshit.
The idea that men are supposed to "provide for" women. That's like saying it's the duty of men to provide for dogs.
Also the idea of a "traditional relationship" is bogus in itself. Relationships are feminist arrangements, just like dating and modern marriage. It's all shit.
Im not spreading anything about the idea that men should provide for women. Like I said in my comment, my mother is the provider in my family so I've learnt to care less about traditional relationships, or "men providing for women" because its bullshit, and I'd rather work to get my own money for a job that I love to do.
And how is traditional relationships bogus? Its existed for thousands of years in almost every part of the world. Its only after feminism that traditional relationships started to become less popular due to women wanting to become independent and go to work, which was not expected of them in the past at all. Would you care to inform me as to what part of our history traditional relationships was not the majority in the last millennia?
Woman is the slave and man is the master. Wife beating is condoned and men are to lock women up in the house. A woman's sole duty is to serve her husband. Women are given off by their fathers (marriage) to a suitable man who asks for them. Women are given NO CHOICE, and they have to take on the name of their new master & bear his children... serve him well... or else
"Slowly men are wanting nothing to do with women... "
Ironically, I see absolutely none of this in real life..
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Most married people are of the older generation. Over 70% of men under 35 are unmarried. A large percentage of these are not cohabiting or in any relationships either.
MGTOW is also increasing in other feminist countries that oppress men, notably South Korea and Japan. In Japan 70% of men identify themselves as "herbivores"
Oh i didn't realize the world only existed out of US.. My bad.
And sadly nowhere in the article does it say that that there is a decline of cohabiting or relationships.. None whatsoever. In fact it even says the opposite of what you claim.
"Crouse says the decline in marriage and a corresponding rise in cohabitation"
First off, you didn't acknowledge that 70% of men from 20-34 are unmarried. This shows your noble intentions. Anyway,
I'm talking about the western / feminist world in general. There are similar trends everywhere. As far as the US goes, statistics reported by TIME magazine show that about two thirds of people 18-29 are single, with 16% being married and 14% cohabiting. Cohabitation has remained constant, and slightly declined since 2004, but marriage has declined almost 15% :)
Are people delaying marriage into their 30s? I know that people are delaying childbirth into their late twenties and early thirties. Statistics are useless unless fully interpreted.
What is there to acknowledge? That you make things up and then pass it off as the truth when the very article you told me to look at contradicted your very first statement to me.. Nothing you say seems credible anymore after that blunder and truthfully I can't relate in any way to your little rant as I'm from South Africa and the men here aren't nearly as bitter as American men and marriage is still very much common. There are many downsides to living here but our men ain't one of them.
You didn't want to link me to the article and said I should go to the first one on Google which I did so please. Don't try to change the argument. You still made a false statement that men are somehow in less relationships and not cohabiting which there's no proof of whatsoever.
No one denied facts. There could be many reasons why men aren't marrying but that doesn't mean they aren't cohabiting or in relationships. That also doesn't mean the rest of the world adheres to your US stats. You just can't accept that the men who actually do go their own way are in the minority and resort to insults when you don't get to your way. Very child like and shows you exactly why women don't want to date men like you anyway.
I don't want to date a man child who breeds hate. So please do go your own way as women don't want or need men like you anyway.
I know there is a group in Japan as he described but I don't think it's nearly as big as he claims and the women in Japan of the same age have similar opinions on relationships as the men.
I do know less men in the western world want to get married than before while for women it's the opposite but that doesn't equate to giving up women all together.
Yea, I fucking hate the illogical argument of "people are not getting married anymore."
That is the most garbage excuse to point to some social trend. There are probably hundreds of reasons why marriage as an institution is no longer relevant. If you raised the restrictions on marriage I bet a lot more people would get married.
And a lot of men and women are interacting in platonic, romantic, and sexual ways. Men aren't just ignoring women.
A more logical reason a lot of men and women may not be interacting is due to the age of the internet. A lot of guys who don't hang out with women are probably not hanging out with very many guys either. This is due to them socially isolating themselves on the internet.
Your ignorance is none of my concern. IGNORANT and lying FEMINISTS.
Co-habitation has remained constant since 2004, however marriage has declined significantly in the 18-29 age group, and also more than 10% in the 30-39 age group.
See you can't even stick to your own decisions and then you still want to try to convince me of things that have literally no proof or relevance to daily life. All talk but no action.
Why can't we have a constructive discussion without name-calling? I also hate how people throw labels mindlessly.
"MGTOW basically means men who aren't going to get married." That's just a drop of water in the lake when it comes to what it is about, first of all. Secondly, I'm not planning to get married either. My reasoning of not getting married is because of my fear of divorce. I'm defenseless against divorce once I get married and we'll have to admit that the divorce courts are very unfair towards males plus, the majority of marriages in the USA currently end in divorce.
"many men are swearing off relationships as well." I'm avoiding relationships right now too but not because of some evil female goddess but rather because my last relationship was the kind of relationship I would only wish upon people I really really hate.
So according to the author, I'm a MGTOW. I might be following the concepts in a way but I'm neither claiming the label nor the belief. That's just how life is
Yeah I'm done discussing data with you. I said it in relation to your faulty reasoning.
Now I'm done with you altogether. I don't give a damn if you watch out or not... you will watch it happen!! This oppression must stop and there's nothing you can do that will stop men from waking up to the reality of feminism.
@DBAOracle "my last relationship was the kind of relationship I would only wish upon people I really really hate"
Learn the nature of women early... men were always right about them... feminism is a lie!! You have been brainwashed since childhood by feminist agendas. You are trained to be a pawn.
Don't avoid marriage just because of divorce. What about social expectations and standards, which are discriminatory and oppress men based on their sex? You should know, that it has been found that women nag their husbands to an early death.
Men have always been "going their own way" since the beginning of time. You don't label yourself as a MGTOW male. You just label yourself as male and it means the same thing.
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No actually marriage has been the way since forever.
Really? I think the MGTOW movement has nothing to do with feminism. It sounds more to me like guys who have had bad experiences and are just choosing to not pursue relationships.
That is the face of mgtow everyone chooses. Much like how feminazis are the face of feminism. Its the beliefs of a few that govern that way of categorizing it.
yes that exactly what it is but OP did asked if feminism was at fault for the start of the movement, which quite frankly i think it is. so you are pretty wrong in a way when you say it has "nothing to do with feminsim"
People are very slow to adjust their thinking on things like this. Most are still stuck in the outdated mindset that women and girls are victims by default and men are perpetrators, despite the fact that a majority of workers AND managers in the west are women, 60% of college graduates are women (yet there are billions of dollars of financial aid available to women only),75% of failing grades in public schools are given to boys, 80% of suicides are males, this list goes on and on.
I think MGTOW stems from that the institution of marriage and especially divorce is fairly unfair against men. And that many women just aren't worth dating. Combine that and you'll have people who rather avoid the conflict than seek further.
Why does there have to be a war between genders. Can't we just be friends? We're both human after all, we're the same species, so why not help each other out?
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With women there can be no friendship. Hearts of hyenas are the hearts of women.
wow. You are just another feminist who is like a holocaust denier. You can't deny the facts... MGTOWs have facts on their side and feminists have nothing.
And no they won't, stop trying to create more illusions
It's the new womens' propaganda to make feminism and MGTOW seem like two opposites and extremes of inequality... this is to mainly discredit MGTOW... but no matter! Men won't stop waking up no matter what tricks you have up your sleeve...
Yes, I have oppressed men in unthinkable ways. The term "oppression" shouldn't be used so flimsily. In general, I don't think women or men are oppressed in America. If that was so, the word "oppression" would be some degree of meaningless.
Bloody hell, this fucking bullshit again... if you don't want anything to do with women, go ahead and ignore them. Stop fucking whinging about it, like the butthurt child you are. You keep bringing up this so called oppression, but you can never provide a shred of actual evidence of it. Grow the fuck up, you sad, sad little person.
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If I were a man and wrote such things against a female in a female post... my thing would instantly be removed for being "offensive" or "antagonistic"
Saying that men are highly oppressed and discriminated against is hateful propaganda? Will it be removed if a woman posts how oppressed and discriminated women are in Saudi Arabia?
No. Just another day in the sexist western society. Also, I have not seen a man be so abusive to a woman on this website and get away with it. You women can truly get away with anything. There is NO EXCUSE for this sexism.
Men aren't oppressed. Take a look at oppression through history and compare it. Men like you are just whining because women aren't under your control anymore. Like I said, you can never provide even a scrap of evidence to support your claim. Your only intention is to spout hate and bullshit. You need mental help.
There is a mountain of evidence that men are severely oppressed... you CANNOT escape the facts.
With the extreme court bias, the manspreading law, men being portrayed as idiots and kicked on the balls as comedy/cheer on TV... it's pretty darn close to Saudi Arabia. Hell men aren't even allowed to vote in America without signing up to die. New laws come out every few months to oppress men, and it's just getting worse and worse.
If there is a mountain of evidence... then USE IT. Stop making general, idiotic, unsupported statements, and back your arguments up with proof. None of that is 'oppression', and it is certainly not oppression or sexism committed by women. You're incredibly butthurt over a few simple things, and I think you should probably work out WHY you have a deep seated hatred towards women, instead of blaming them for all of your problems. The only sexist one here is you, and you're repeatedly showing that you're also a bloody moron.
Wow just look at you go on being offensive and antagonistic... while none of your comments gets removed... you could even beat me up in public and nobody would do anything.
But this won't last long. Men are waking up to their oppression. I'm not making arguments, I'm just stating facts.
I might be offensive, but I'm at least being truthful, instead of calling made up bullshit 'facts', with no evidence. People like you need people to stand up to you. You're nothing but a bully, and bullies are always the most stupid, and the biggest cowards. The way you type, and your attitude, suggests that you're actually NOT in the 18-24 age range, and you're probably actually a 12 or 13 year old making a fuss because his mother wouldn't coddle him like a child. If that's not the case, maybe you should rethink your strategy, because it's making you seem like a child throwing a tantrum.
Actually white-knights and other feminists DO "stand up" to men who ask for equality with women. This is due to heavy indoctrination in modern western society which supports oppression of men, but falsely claims to support gender equality.
And I'm a bully now? This is exactly how women falsely accuse men all the time, when they are ANYTHING BUT victims. Blocked.
No I'm not but judging from your responses to other users, I'm just going to take a wild guess and assume that you're either trolling or just extremely stupid.
Maybe some men don't want to get married because it's not cheap? Maybe some men think marriage is a waste of time? Maybe some men don't want to get married because they're happy being single?
Like feminism, I don't give two shits about MGTOW enough to study it, but from the sounds of it, it's just a bunch of sourpuss guys who are salty in some way towards females for petty reasons.
Yeah women look at men like cash machines. And yes, it is MUCH better to be single these days.
Why? Because of feminist oppression and oppressive social standards against men. We are discriminated against based on our sex. Is that a petty reason? I think not.
Figures that I would be correct in the fact that you don't even acknowledge other opinions except your own. Why'd I bother even wasting time trying to argue?
You're getting to be a dull troll now, so I'm gonna be leaving. Have fun mate.
Yes, I think that MGTOW is mainly due to the poison of feminism in the Western world. But to be honest, I'm past caring. I have as little to do with Western women as possible and instead focus on living my life. Western women have made their bed.
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men dont want to get married because they would rather w*****e around with every thing that walks (not all... etc etc)... but yea let's blame feminism because God forbid a man is ever wrong about something
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No men are going their own way because of oppressive laws, social standards and institutions
If people don't want to get married or be in relationships, then just don't do it. It's not hard.
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It's only hard when brainwashed feminist society is constantly saying that they "feel sorry" or call you "bitter" and say you will "die lonely" in an attempt to put you down and thus get you back in the marriage trap and feminist bubble of reality.
Yeah, so don't listen to other people. Don't need to bring others down to elevate yourself up. Just do your own thing. "Going Their Own Way" is even in the name.
FEMINISM brings others down... MGTOWs have the facts on their side. You can't stop MGTOWs from growing rapidly because men are waking up to their oppression & discrimination in modern, western, feminist society.
I really don't care about what others do, which is what my whole point of my comment was. Just don't care about what others say, and do your own thing if you are so against it. No one is forcing you to get married or be with a woman.
LOL you just don't want people to know the facts! You want the oppression and discrimination of men to remain hidden, which is why you're no better than a holocaust denier. Feminazi.
"I really don't care about what others do" => "Just don't care about what others say, and do your own thing"
So you're consuming time telling me what to do and you say you REALLY don't care about what others do? Anyway, you're just another woman who's insensitive to the humanity of men. Being FORCED is a bit different from being COERCED by shaming and other horrible tactics... but they are pretty darn close. It also ruins the social environment for people who don't comply.
Yes, you know me so well that you know exactly how I feel and think. I never said I was or wasn't a feminist. You are such a joke. "Meninazi", continue with your misogynistic ideology in life.
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Well, great. Go your own way without women. Thats up to you. I could care less. Just don't see why some MGTOWs just love to be so vocal about it. Just go, be free, we don't care. Don't wanna marry? Great, good for you 👍🏽
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Most women aren't even answering the question but just spamming...
Well if you want my response to it, then I think MGTOWs have always existed. If you think about it, in traditional relationships the male has always been the one who has to financially support the family, and I guess some men don't want that and prefer to be on their own and focus on their own success. Feminists want women to NOT rely on men for financial support, so basically MGTOWs have kind of got it all twisted. As for me I can't take MGTOWs that serious because in my family, my mum is the financial support or the "bread winner" and my dad is the housedad who relies on her money and takes care of the kids.
The whole idea of this website is to answer questions, not to go around spamming other people.
You obviously know NOTHING of traditions and are just spreading lies. Relationships are feminist arrangements in and of themselves, so there's nothing like a "traditional relationship". It's just feminist bullshit.
What lies am I spreading? And what part of "traditions" is it that I do not know about?
The idea that men are supposed to "provide for" women. That's like saying it's the duty of men to provide for dogs.
Also the idea of a "traditional relationship" is bogus in itself. Relationships are feminist arrangements, just like dating and modern marriage. It's all shit.
Im not spreading anything about the idea that men should provide for women. Like I said in my comment, my mother is the provider in my family so I've learnt to care less about traditional relationships, or "men providing for women" because its bullshit, and I'd rather work to get my own money for a job that I love to do.
And how is traditional relationships bogus? Its existed for thousands of years in almost every part of the world. Its only after feminism that traditional relationships started to become less popular due to women wanting to become independent and go to work, which was not expected of them in the past at all. Would you care to inform me as to what part of our history traditional relationships was not the majority in the last millennia?
Woman is the slave and man is the master. Wife beating is condoned and men are to lock women up in the house. A woman's sole duty is to serve her husband. Women are given off by their fathers (marriage) to a suitable man who asks for them. Women are given NO CHOICE, and they have to take on the name of their new master & bear his children... serve him well... or else
Love, relationships, partnership and all that bullshit is for the movies... And past millennium? LOL this is just how it's ALWAYS BEEN
"Slowly men are wanting nothing to do with women... "
Ironically, I see absolutely none of this in real life..
Most married people are of the older generation. Over 70% of men under 35 are unmarried. A large percentage of these are not cohabiting or in any relationships either.
MGTOW is also increasing in other feminist countries that oppress men, notably South Korea and Japan. In Japan 70% of men identify themselves as "herbivores"
So where is your proof?
I would give you the links, if you were a man. But I doubt you'll do anything good with this information. So I'll just say this...
Google it.
Lol you can't even provide me with links.. So cute.
lol don't tell me google doesn't show it on the very first page... at least... if not the very first result.
Oh i didn't realize the world only existed out of US.. My bad.
And sadly nowhere in the article does it say that that there is a decline of cohabiting or relationships.. None whatsoever. In fact it even says the opposite of what you claim.
"Crouse says the decline in marriage and a corresponding rise in cohabitation"
First off, you didn't acknowledge that 70% of men from 20-34 are unmarried. This shows your noble intentions. Anyway,
I'm talking about the western / feminist world in general. There are similar trends everywhere. As far as the US goes, statistics reported by TIME magazine show that about two thirds of people 18-29 are single, with 16% being married and 14% cohabiting. Cohabitation has remained constant, and slightly declined since 2004, but marriage has declined almost 15% :)
Are people delaying marriage into their 30s? I know that people are delaying childbirth into their late twenties and early thirties. Statistics are useless unless fully interpreted.
What is there to acknowledge? That you make things up and then pass it off as the truth when the very article you told me to look at contradicted your very first statement to me.. Nothing you say seems credible anymore after that blunder and truthfully I can't relate in any way to your little rant as I'm from South Africa and the men here aren't nearly as bitter as American men and marriage is still very much common. There are many downsides to living here but our men ain't one of them.
You can't even read or interpet a article properly and then you call women brainless. You are obviously just trolling.
No, there is nothing contradictory. And there is nothing to "interpret". The facts are laid out there... bare naked...
The article is "More 20-Something Americans Are Staying Single, Gallup Report Says".
You're either looking at the wrong article... or you need to specify which "first statement" you're talking about. Because NOTHING is contradictory.
You women are the only trolls, because you deny FACTS. In fact, you women are worse than holocaust deniers.
Since you are from South Africa, there's nothing left for me to say to you.
You didn't want to link me to the article and said I should go to the first one on Google which I did so please. Don't try to change the argument. You still made a false statement that men are somehow in less relationships and not cohabiting which there's no proof of whatsoever.
No one denied facts. There could be many reasons why men aren't marrying but that doesn't mean they aren't cohabiting or in relationships. That also doesn't mean the rest of the world adheres to your US stats. You just can't accept that the men who actually do go their own way are in the minority and resort to insults when you don't get to your way. Very child like and shows you exactly why women don't want to date men like you anyway.
I don't want to date a man child who breeds hate. So please do go your own way as women don't want or need men like you anyway.
I know there is a group in Japan as he described but I don't think it's nearly as big as he claims and the women in Japan of the same age have similar opinions on relationships as the men.
I do know less men in the western world want to get married than before while for women it's the opposite but that doesn't equate to giving up women all together.
Yea, I fucking hate the illogical argument of "people are not getting married anymore."
That is the most garbage excuse to point to some social trend.
There are probably hundreds of reasons why marriage as an institution is no longer relevant. If you raised the restrictions on marriage I bet a lot more people would get married.
And a lot of men and women are interacting in platonic, romantic, and sexual ways. Men aren't just ignoring women.
A more logical reason a lot of men and women may not be interacting is due to the age of the internet. A lot of guys who don't hang out with women are probably not hanging out with very many guys either. This is due to them socially isolating themselves on the internet.
Correlation does not equal causality.
Your ignorance is none of my concern. IGNORANT and lying FEMINISTS.
Co-habitation has remained constant since 2004, however marriage has declined significantly in the 18-29 age group, and also more than 10% in the 30-39 age group.
Maybe you are the ignorant person considering how you just ignored a male explaining things very clearly for you in the previous comment.
A declining marriage rate doesn't mean men are somehow ignoring women. 16 people could confirm this for me including 6 men.
Yes it DOES mean that. Relationships and even sex are on the decline. Single men are on the rise.
6 men? LOL. I'm talking about nationwide statistics. Numbers DON'T lie.
Again you show that you are a small-brained creature. I'm done with you.
There's no proof whatsoever of any of the claims you make.
You are just angry that women are happy without you and your fellow woman hater gang who are by far in the minority.
haha... you're just too ignorant and full of propaganda to face the facts. You just wanna keep spreading feminist lies.
MGTOWs actually make the majority of men in the new generation. Men are waking up to their oppression and second-class status. Watch it happen!!
I thought you are done with me?
See you can't even stick to your own decisions and then you still want to try to convince me of things that have literally no proof or relevance to daily life. All talk but no action.
There's nothing to watch out for sorry.
Why can't we have a constructive discussion without name-calling? I also hate how people throw labels mindlessly.
"MGTOW basically means men who aren't going to get married." That's just a drop of water in the lake when it comes to what it is about, first of all. Secondly, I'm not planning to get married either. My reasoning of not getting married is because of my fear of divorce. I'm defenseless against divorce once I get married and we'll have to admit that the divorce courts are very unfair towards males plus, the majority of marriages in the USA currently end in divorce.
"many men are swearing off relationships as well." I'm avoiding relationships right now too but not because of some evil female goddess but rather because my last relationship was the kind of relationship I would only wish upon people I really really hate.
So according to the author, I'm a MGTOW. I might be following the concepts in a way but I'm neither claiming the label nor the belief. That's just how life is
Yeah I'm done discussing data with you. I said it in relation to your faulty reasoning.
Now I'm done with you altogether. I don't give a damn if you watch out or not... you will watch it happen!! This oppression must stop and there's nothing you can do that will stop men from waking up to the reality of feminism.
You never discussed data with me. You just made a bunch of statements but couldn't back any of it up.
The only men that will join your little gang are angry woman haters who we didn't want in the first place. It's no loss to us whatsoever.
Bye :)
@DBAOracle "my last relationship was the kind of relationship I would only wish upon people I really really hate"
Learn the nature of women early... men were always right about them... feminism is a lie!! You have been brainwashed since childhood by feminist agendas. You are trained to be a pawn.
Don't avoid marriage just because of divorce. What about social expectations and standards, which are discriminatory and oppress men based on their sex? You should know, that it has been found that women nag their husbands to an early death.
Women are dangerous like sharks, beware!
It's the GAG phenomenon, the majority here is usually the minority in real life.
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Numbers don't lie. Just because the illusion is going till now, doesn't mean squat. This bubble will eventually burst.
this really is a well known thing. of course men will want to sleep with you you're very pretty but most men do not want to get married anymore.
@dudeman out of all the guys I've met in my life... None of them didn't want marriage so I'd rethink that "many" :)
you're also very young and of course men would want to marry a girl as pretty as you. pretty women dont have to live in reality. same with rich men.
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Another feminist spreading lies.
The movement is silly.
For one reason:
Men have always been "going their own way" since the beginning of time. You don't label yourself as a MGTOW male. You just label yourself as male and it means the same thing.
No actually marriage has been the way since forever.
Every single society in the world has a system of marriage. Anthropologists argue that without marriage, society cannot exist.
So... there's that for you.
Really? I think the MGTOW movement has nothing to do with feminism. It sounds more to me like guys who have had bad experiences and are just choosing to not pursue relationships.
That's actually pretty much it. Many of them seem to blame feminism for 'ruining' relationships though.
That is the face of mgtow everyone chooses. Much like how feminazis are the face of feminism. Its the beliefs of a few that govern that way of categorizing it.
"Much like how feminazis are the face of feminism"
You ARE a feminist because you're comparing MGTOW with feminazis... and making things seem "equal" when they are clearly not.
yes that exactly what it is but OP did asked if feminism was at fault for the start of the movement, which quite frankly i think it is. so you are pretty wrong in a way when you say it has "nothing to do with feminsim"
It doesn't take a genius to see that MGTOW is a direct result of feminism and the inequities and unfairness to males that has resulted from feminism.
The worst part is that the society claims to support equality... and bashes the non-western world for being unequal in international arenas.
But domestically the ENTIRE male gender is oppressed.
People are very slow to adjust their thinking on things like this. Most are still stuck in the outdated mindset that women and girls are victims by default and men are perpetrators, despite the fact that a majority of workers AND managers in the west are women, 60% of college graduates are women (yet there are billions of dollars of financial aid available to women only),75% of failing grades in public schools are given to boys, 80% of suicides are males, this list goes on and on.
People are slow because they have been brainwashed since childhood with feminist agendas.
And that feminist society wants to hide the truth, so that the illusion stays, and women remain superior.
"There is ZERO discrimination against women in the western world"
Well that's clearly not true, but there is more discrimination against men than women.
Okay give one example.
Because I can give you thousands of examples. Sexism only goes ONE WAY in the west, and that is against men.
I think MGTOW stems from that the institution of marriage and especially divorce is fairly unfair against men. And that many women just aren't worth dating. Combine that and you'll have people who rather avoid the conflict than seek further.
These "men" probably would have thought women were the sum of all evil anyway.
Actually "men" have always known the nature of women, which has now been hidden due to feminism.
Which is what? Spineless little fucktoys whose only use is procreation?
Cool story bro. Super villains have no remorse.
True...
You don't need to get married to be with a man long term
No MGTOW is the result of some delusional jackasses thinking wimmins are evil for not dating them
No MGTOW has ever complained about that... I think...
Either way, you've got it wrong
Why does there have to be a war between genders. Can't we just be friends? We're both human after all, we're the same species, so why not help each other out?
With women there can be no friendship. Hearts of hyenas are the hearts of women.
You'll see what I mean...
Wtf dude lol. There are good women out there, most of them are.. Lool
There's nothing like "good women"
Of course there is.
Just a question, but have you had bad experience with women?
Only a feminist would think that such things exist.
Both MGTOWs and feminists are worth each other.
Both movements are comprised of bitter whiny people that long to have more power over the opposite sex.
If you subscribe to either movement, you're a moron.
MGTOW are like feminists? lol, MGTOW have the facts on their side, but feminists have myths and lies
Also notice moderator sexism here, as they would remove anything that is antagonistic or offensive to females.
*but not the opposite
Butthurt =/= facts. MGTOWs need to get hitched with all the batty feminists and fuck off to an island far away from civilization.
Also, mods will remove anything antagonistic regardless who it's directed at.
"butthurt"
wow. You are just another feminist who is like a holocaust denier. You can't deny the facts... MGTOWs have facts on their side and feminists have nothing.
And no they won't, stop trying to create more illusions
Look at all this whiny shit you just wrote. You're exactly like a feminist, lmao.
"whiny"
wow. You're just another woman who's insensitive to the humanity of men.
Replace men with women and you got yourself the feminist mantra. You should ask out Anita Sarkeesian, you two would be a great match. 😉
I repeat: MGTOWs have facts on their side and feminists have nothing.
There is no comparison at all...
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How can you deny it? Feminist have absolutely no facts, they are just busy spreading bullshit. MGTOWs are always discussing facts, however.
It's the new womens' propaganda to make feminism and MGTOW seem like two opposites and extremes of inequality... this is to mainly discredit MGTOW... but no matter! Men won't stop waking up no matter what tricks you have up your sleeve...
You're so adorable.😊
Yeah you're just trolling...
Eh. I don't think "oppression" is the right word to use in this case.
of course you don't, oppressive woman
Yes, I have oppressed men in unthinkable ways.
The term "oppression" shouldn't be used so flimsily. In general, I don't think women or men are oppressed in America. If that was so, the word "oppression" would be some degree of meaningless.
Men are severely oppressed. You're just another bigoted woman who wants to keep the illusion going.
This is the NEW REALITY. Women are socially superior in every way... in the name of equality LOL.
Bloody hell, this fucking bullshit again... if you don't want anything to do with women, go ahead and ignore them. Stop fucking whinging about it, like the butthurt child you are.
You keep bringing up this so called oppression, but you can never provide a shred of actual evidence of it. Grow the fuck up, you sad, sad little person.
If I were a man and wrote such things against a female in a female post... my thing would instantly be removed for being "offensive" or "antagonistic"
Just another day in a highly sexist society.
And if I posted the kind of rubbish you keep posting, it would be taken down in a second, because it's hateful propaganda. Get a life.
Saying that men are highly oppressed and discriminated against is hateful propaganda? Will it be removed if a woman posts how oppressed and discriminated women are in Saudi Arabia?
No. Just another day in the sexist western society. Also, I have not seen a man be so abusive to a woman on this website and get away with it. You women can truly get away with anything. There is NO EXCUSE for this sexism.
Men aren't oppressed. Take a look at oppression through history and compare it. Men like you are just whining because women aren't under your control anymore.
Like I said, you can never provide even a scrap of evidence to support your claim. Your only intention is to spout hate and bullshit. You need mental help.
There is a mountain of evidence that men are severely oppressed... you CANNOT escape the facts.
With the extreme court bias, the manspreading law, men being portrayed as idiots and kicked on the balls as comedy/cheer on TV... it's pretty darn close to Saudi Arabia. Hell men aren't even allowed to vote in America without signing up to die. New laws come out every few months to oppress men, and it's just getting worse and worse.
If there is a mountain of evidence... then USE IT. Stop making general, idiotic, unsupported statements, and back your arguments up with proof.
None of that is 'oppression', and it is certainly not oppression or sexism committed by women. You're incredibly butthurt over a few simple things, and I think you should probably work out WHY you have a deep seated hatred towards women, instead of blaming them for all of your problems. The only sexist one here is you, and you're repeatedly showing that you're also a bloody moron.
Wow just look at you go on being offensive and antagonistic... while none of your comments gets removed... you could even beat me up in public and nobody would do anything.
But this won't last long. Men are waking up to their oppression. I'm not making arguments, I'm just stating facts.
I might be offensive, but I'm at least being truthful, instead of calling made up bullshit 'facts', with no evidence.
People like you need people to stand up to you. You're nothing but a bully, and bullies are always the most stupid, and the biggest cowards.
The way you type, and your attitude, suggests that you're actually NOT in the 18-24 age range, and you're probably actually a 12 or 13 year old making a fuss because his mother wouldn't coddle him like a child.
If that's not the case, maybe you should rethink your strategy, because it's making you seem like a child throwing a tantrum.
Actually white-knights and other feminists DO "stand up" to men who ask for equality with women. This is due to heavy indoctrination in modern western society which supports oppression of men, but falsely claims to support gender equality.
And I'm a bully now? This is exactly how women falsely accuse men all the time, when they are ANYTHING BUT victims. Blocked.
probably and MGTOW tends to be filled with bitter whinny people carrying a victim mentality just like so many feminists do. It's all too toxic.
Don't lie, you're a feminist
No I'm not but judging from your responses to other users, I'm just going to take a wild guess and assume that you're either trolling or just extremely stupid.
You're trolling. Tell the truth for once in your life.
Your entire comment screams feminism.
Nah
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I think "feminism" has just become a scapegoat for unhappy men.
Men = Oppressed humans of modern western civilization. Second class citizens.
Feminist world = A part of the world that falsely claims equality but discriminates against men based on sex.
Sweetie, look, just because your mom makes you do the dishes and take out the trash, doesn't mean men are oppressed and women control the world.
It just means one woman is the boss of you. Suck it up or move out.
women do have more rights than men in the western world. that is the definition of oppression.
No it's not, but no other answer except your own and those agreeing with yours will be correct.
10/10 would feed again.
Actually, almost 75% of men agree with me so far :/
And?
Doesn't change the fact that you've already formed your own answer and won't listen to anything that objects to it.
Okay then you tell me what it's a consequence of. I'm listening
Maybe the majority agree with me because I am right? lol.
Maybe some men don't want to get married because it's not cheap?
Maybe some men think marriage is a waste of time?
Maybe some men don't want to get married because they're happy being single?
Like feminism, I don't give two shits about MGTOW enough to study it, but from the sounds of it, it's just a bunch of sourpuss guys who are salty in some way towards females for petty reasons.
Yeah women look at men like cash machines. And yes, it is MUCH better to be single these days.
Why? Because of feminist oppression and oppressive social standards against men. We are discriminated against based on our sex. Is that a petty reason? I think not.
Figures that I would be correct in the fact that you don't even acknowledge other opinions except your own. Why'd I bother even wasting time trying to argue?
You're getting to be a dull troll now, so I'm gonna be leaving.
Have fun mate.
No I actually agreed with you in that it's not cheap and men consider it better to be single than in a relationship...
Troll? I think anyone who denies the FACTS and calls oppression/discrimination petty is the real troll...
Yes, I think that MGTOW is mainly due to the poison of feminism in the Western world. But to be honest, I'm past caring. I have as little to do with Western women as possible and instead focus on living my life. Western women have made their bed.
men dont want to get married because they would rather w*****e around with every thing that walks (not all... etc etc)... but yea let's blame feminism because God forbid a man is ever wrong about something
No men are going their own way because of oppressive laws, social standards and institutions
If people don't want to get married or be in relationships, then just don't do it. It's not hard.
It's only hard when brainwashed feminist society is constantly saying that they "feel sorry" or call you "bitter" and say you will "die lonely" in an attempt to put you down and thus get you back in the marriage trap and feminist bubble of reality.
Yeah, so don't listen to other people. Don't need to bring others down to elevate yourself up. Just do your own thing. "Going Their Own Way" is even in the name.
bring others down?
That's something feminism has done. In fact, men are now second class citizens in western society.
I was talking about people as a whole.
FEMINISM brings others down... MGTOWs have the facts on their side. You can't stop MGTOWs from growing rapidly because men are waking up to their oppression & discrimination in modern, western, feminist society.
I really don't care about what others do, which is what my whole point of my comment was. Just don't care about what others say, and do your own thing if you are so against it. No one is forcing you to get married or be with a woman.
LOL you just don't want people to know the facts! You want the oppression and discrimination of men to remain hidden, which is why you're no better than a holocaust denier. Feminazi.
"I really don't care about what others do" => "Just don't care about what others say, and do your own thing"
So you're consuming time telling me what to do and you say you REALLY don't care about what others do? Anyway, you're just another woman who's insensitive to the humanity of men. Being FORCED is a bit different from being COERCED by shaming and other horrible tactics... but they are pretty darn close. It also ruins the social environment for people who don't comply.
Yes, you know me so well that you know exactly how I feel and think. I never said I was or wasn't a feminist. You are such a joke. "Meninazi", continue with your misogynistic ideology in life.
Calling for equality is misogyny? A person bringing to light the severe oppression of and discrimination against men is a joke?
Hardcore feminazi. Blocked.