I'd say boy scouts is like a male bonding time, I would think the only time a woman can step into their son's boy scout activities is if there is no father. There are girls scouts. I am unsure about transgenders taking part in it, I don't really know what to think of that.
I think it's a good thing. There has been an outright attack on all things male, especially any male only spaces, by radical hate mongers known as Feminsits for the last 70 years! We need organizations like this to stand up to that kind of tyranny and create male only spaces in society again.
There is nothing wrong with male or female only spaces, they can be healthy and are needed in society.
The reason why the rules have changed is because of the pressure to allow girls in. It was reactionary not to instigate. There has been an ongoing attack on male only spaces. It seems that their are many women and girls who feel that they should be allowed to join any group, and that being excluded is sexist. The problem with this, is male only spaces have proven to be therapeutic for young men.
"Are the Scout leaders intentionally discluding women participation, and is this too far over the line? Was it really necessary to change the guidlines or make these comments?">>>> really... this is for real? i guess in the next century people will just look back at our sexism hysteria and laugh way out of that... this is getting fucking ridiculous
Do you understand the question, or do I need to spell it out for you?
If I REALLY need to clarify again, then here; I'm not complaining about how girls can't join the Boy Scouts- I'm talking about how they are preventing female figures, like mothers, grandparents, aunts, etc., from participating or aiding their children in this particular extracurricular that encourages FAMILY-orientated learning.
anyway ur argument is still ridiculous... really... people are whining for such stupidities nowadays... let the Boy Scouts do whatever they want to.
i don't have any experience with them, but if they just want males over there it's fine. they are just training their boys and making them learn about manhood by interactions with other male adults. women would screw that type of teaching
@VanessaWilliams It's the feminists... SJW... BLM they all want to make it a crime to be a white male. The left always blames the evil white male for everything. The whole "White Male Privilege" thing is a nuts.
There's a reason why it's called BOY Scouts. There's an organization called GIRL Scouts that girls can go join. I don't see any Boy making a big deal out of not being able to join the GIRL Scouts. Anyone bitching about girls not being able to join should STFU and go join the Girl Scouts.
Again; I'm NOT talking about GIRLS JOINING BOY SCOUTS. I talking about the female figure's ROLE as a mother/grandmother/aunt/sister in aiding the child in this particular competition. I tried to update the question to confirm that, but it won't let me update it.
Key word here: AID. As in helping the child out with baking and using an oven. Not self-participation or joining the Scouts; I'm talking about outside participation as a family unit. Shouldn't a mother be able to participate or help he child in extracurriculars? And if there is not father figure or the father is unavaliable to help his child?
Yes. Wouldn't that be interpreted by some as sexist as well? I'm asking whether it's right to take away a parent's authority or role in their child's activities- this particular instance was just about the motherly/female figure's disclusion.
It is important that boys have a space for themselves without females. I don't understand why women have to force themselves into every male space, just leave those boys alone.
The boy scouts focus on woodland survival and helping grandmas cross the street. Where as the girl scouts are learning valuable life long financial skills, business ethics, and people skills. I've got a box of their cookies and it had some helpful infos of what girl scouts do. I was in boy scouts looooong ago and we did pretty much nothing to prepare for the real world it was more of a guys club no girls allowed and that was sad. Cause it teaches men to exclude women when we should be working together.
Okay, I get that. I was neverin girl scouts, but from hat I heard from my friends, it's not nearly as fun or adventurous as boy scouts. The boys get to camp and learn survival skills, while my friends only camped once- in a cabin. They spent more time selling cookies or learning softer skills, so to speak.
This mentality is too extreme. Not everything in this world needs to be all inclusive. If we are all the same and no one is allowed to be different fornfear of shaming a group then I fear for himanities future for artistic and individualistic types.
I'm just asking because this year, they suddenyl changed the rules: before, any parent could help their child bake their cake, as long as the child did most of the work, but now it's only male figures who can help the scouts. What if you're a single mother or the father isn't avaliable to help? It the child just not allowed to participate? These rules specify MULTIPLE times that mothers or other female figures (like an older sister, grandmother, aunt, etc.) are highly reccomended not to interfere.
I'm questioning their sudden "change of heart" so to speak. There are children in the program with single mothers or fathers who are often busy with business or work, and it's a small community- the Scout leaders know that parents and the participants well enough to know if these rules would interfere with the kid's involvment.
This question isn't about the opportunities of females in scouting! It's about WOMEN INVOLVMENT in their child's activities. Please reread the third paragraph above.
Third paragraph- want about parental/gaurdian figures (mothers, grandmothers, aunts, etc.) Are they not allowed to participate or aid their children in their extracurricular activities? (I believe the email even specifically metioned mothers, grandmothers, sisters, aunts, etc.)
The Scouts do what the Scouts do; they are a private organization. If you don't like the Scouts and what they believe, then ignore them and don't have them be a part of your life.
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It's called Boy Scouts. Girls have Girl Scouts, end of story.
I'd say boy scouts is like a male bonding time, I would think the only time a woman can step into their son's boy scout activities is if there is no father. There are girls scouts. I am unsure about transgenders taking part in it, I don't really know what to think of that.
I think it's a good thing. There has been an outright attack on all things male, especially any male only spaces, by radical hate mongers known as Feminsits for the last 70 years! We need organizations like this to stand up to that kind of tyranny and create male only spaces in society again.
There is nothing wrong with male or female only spaces, they can be healthy and are needed in society.
I couldn't have said it better myself!!
The reason why the rules have changed is because of the pressure to allow girls in. It was reactionary not to instigate. There has been an ongoing attack on male only spaces. It seems that their are many women and girls who feel that they should be allowed to join any group, and that being excluded is sexist. The problem with this, is male only spaces have proven to be therapeutic for young men.
"Are the Scout leaders intentionally discluding women participation, and is this too far over the line? Was it really necessary to change the guidlines or make these comments?">>>> really... this is for real? i guess in the next century people will just look back at our sexism hysteria and laugh way out of that... this is getting fucking ridiculous
Do you understand the question, or do I need to spell it out for you?
If I REALLY need to clarify again, then here; I'm not complaining about how girls can't join the Boy Scouts- I'm talking about how they are preventing female figures, like mothers, grandparents, aunts, etc., from participating or aiding their children in this particular extracurricular that encourages FAMILY-orientated learning.
anyway ur argument is still ridiculous... really... people are whining for such stupidities nowadays... let the Boy Scouts do whatever they want to.
i don't have any experience with them, but if they just want males over there it's fine. they are just training their boys and making them learn about manhood by interactions with other male adults. women would screw that type of teaching
It's interesting. There are a lot of things done to get girls into traditionally male stuff.
If you want boys to flood into traditionally female things then things like this are necessary.
I understand what you mean, what about the mother's role in their child's activities in BSA?
It looks like the left isn't going to be happy until it is a crime to be a white male.
how is this relevant at all?
@rlvc4 Just making a statement. If you dont like it... dont respond to it.
I just don't understand the statement
@rlvc4 Because the left... liberals think the white male is the enemy.
ok... if you say so
Democrats yes. The left, no. Democrats may TALK liberal, but they always ACT conservative.
@VanessaWilliams It's the feminists... SJW... BLM they all want to make it a crime to be a white male. The left always blames the evil white male for everything. The whole "White Male Privilege" thing is a nuts.
There's a reason why it's called BOY Scouts. There's an organization called GIRL Scouts that girls can go join. I don't see any Boy making a big deal out of not being able to join the GIRL Scouts. Anyone bitching about girls not being able to join should STFU and go join the Girl Scouts.
Again; I'm NOT talking about GIRLS JOINING BOY SCOUTS. I talking about the female figure's ROLE as a mother/grandmother/aunt/sister in aiding the child in this particular competition. I tried to update the question to confirm that, but it won't let me update it.
Key word here: AID. As in helping the child out with baking and using an oven. Not self-participation or joining the Scouts; I'm talking about outside participation as a family unit. Shouldn't a mother be able to participate or help he child in extracurriculars? And if there is not father figure or the father is unavaliable to help his child?
If it was the other way around, would you be just as outraged?
Yes. Wouldn't that be interpreted by some as sexist as well? I'm asking whether it's right to take away a parent's authority or role in their child's activities- this particular instance was just about the motherly/female figure's disclusion.
Aren't the girl scouts just as sexist? It is weird they'd change the rules from last years though.
If he doesn't have a mother then I guess he can't participate. That sucks though.
*if he doesn't have a father
I just realized my typo oops
Haha you're fine
It is important that boys have a space for themselves without females.
I don't understand why women have to force themselves into every male space, just leave those boys alone.
there's also girl scouts of America and personally I think they have a massive edge (I do mean a massive one) over the boy scouts.
How so?
The boy scouts focus on woodland survival and helping grandmas cross the street. Where as the girl scouts are learning valuable life long financial skills, business ethics, and people skills. I've got a box of their cookies and it had some helpful infos of what girl scouts do. I was in boy scouts looooong ago and we did pretty much nothing to prepare for the real world it was more of a guys club no girls allowed and that was sad. Cause it teaches men to exclude women when we should be working together.
Okay, I get that. I was neverin girl scouts, but from hat I heard from my friends, it's not nearly as fun or adventurous as boy scouts. The boys get to camp and learn survival skills, while my friends only camped once- in a cabin. They spent more time selling cookies or learning softer skills, so to speak.
This mentality is too extreme. Not everything in this world needs to be all inclusive. If we are all the same and no one is allowed to be different fornfear of shaming a group then I fear for himanities future for artistic and individualistic types.
I find it sexist that girl scouts get to sell tasty cookies and all the Boy Scouts get to sell is stupid popcorn and chips
Other organizations do the exact same thing tho, why are the scouts under fire?
I'm just asking because this year, they suddenyl changed the rules: before, any parent could help their child bake their cake, as long as the child did most of the work, but now it's only male figures who can help the scouts. What if you're a single mother or the father isn't avaliable to help? It the child just not allowed to participate? These rules specify MULTIPLE times that mothers or other female figures (like an older sister, grandmother, aunt, etc.) are highly reccomended not to interfere.
I'm questioning their sudden "change of heart" so to speak. There are children in the program with single mothers or fathers who are often busy with business or work, and it's a small community- the Scout leaders know that parents and the participants well enough to know if these rules would interfere with the kid's involvment.
... there's a Girls Scouts organization as well for the girls to participate in their own organization!
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There's a thing called girls scouts. IT DOES THE SAME THING
This question isn't about the opportunities of females in scouting! It's about WOMEN INVOLVMENT in their child's activities. Please reread the third paragraph above.
@Melliflous_girl True, I suppose both could be considered sexist, but I don't see why that's any of my business.
It's kinda like at school I thought where parents are encouraged not to do the child's homework for them.
Holy Jesus.
No.
Girl Scouts are the same way. No boys allowed in Girl Scouts. No girls allowed in Boy Scouts.
Third paragraph- want about parental/gaurdian figures (mothers, grandmothers, aunts, etc.) Are they not allowed to participate or aid their children in their extracurricular activities? (I believe the email even specifically metioned mothers, grandmothers, sisters, aunts, etc.)
what*
It's irrelevant.
The Scouts do what the Scouts do; they are a private organization.
If you don't like the Scouts and what they believe, then ignore them and don't have them be a part of your life.