When will white people die out?

[Raven_76]

White people will be the the first race to become extinct. This is due to three things.

1) White girls like to date & fuck Black guys & other races.

2) White women don’t like having kids and have less kids than other races.

3) Immigration. Such as what’s happening in Western Europe, where white people will be minorities in France by 2030, and in Sweden, by 2050. White people are already minorities in the city of London.

So what do you think?

[madhatters4]

i think you are wrong.

yes if trends persist there will be no real single "race" majority. but rather the majority will be mixed race people. but that doesn't mean white will be extinct. white genes will still be plenty prevalent mixed among others.

if the trends continue all races will face the same thing.

1) White girls like to date & fuck Black guys & other races.
--maybe in small amounts bout 70% of white women are with white men
2) White women don’t like having kids and have less kids than other races.
-- simply not true. see #1 response
3) Immigration. Such as what’s happening in Western Europe, where white people will be minorities in France by 2030, and in Sweden, by 2050. White people are already minorities in the city of London.
-- again simply not true. 45% are white UK born people. almost 70% are white overall

[TacticalVisor]

Small amounts... 30%
ROFLMAO! since when 30% is small amounts?
Only 10% white women marry non-white men yearly while 12% white men marry non-white women yearly.
That's anything but 30%, you uneducated prick.

[madhatters4]

@TacticalVisor try talking to me like a mature adult next time

[RealityCheck4Ya]

You're absolutely clueless. White genes mixed into non-Whites does not mean that White people exist anymore you idiot.

[OlderAndWiser]

If white girls really preferred to have sex with black guys. . . since white people are the majority, that practice would dilute the black race quicker than it would dilute the white race. However, I suspect that the point of your rant is not to make some logical observations!

[Izumiblu]

Oh your the guy that’s been on here for like a year under diff user names whining about how white women only date minorities and shit and no matter the data you see or the opinions posted you always come back and post another silly question. It’s not your skin color that keeps you from dating. It’s your personality. I feel bad for you. You need help cuz it’s likely your problem is way bigger than not getting a girl.

[alice55]

White usually date White like 95 % of the time so
White peole have more kids than Asian in normally.
For France that's totally false, I just checked and even in 2060 White people would still be the majority.

As for you question I don't know, maybe in 200 or 300 years?

[WhiteSteve]

That’s wild shit, bro. First off... aren’t all these dudes from other races who are supposedly taking all the white women from you contributing to the dilution of their own race simultaneously? Like if your worst nightmare was realized, and a white girl you like went for a black dude, who I understand have been scientifically proven to never have a penis UNDER 27 inches, the resulting offspring wouldn’t be purely black. In fact if it’s a boy, it’s possible the penis growth could be stunted to like 16 inches. This is helping your odds vs the next generation, bud!

In seriousness, I see all kinds of white women with white babies doing all types of stereotypically white shit, I don’t think you need to sweat anything in your lifetime, youngblood. Also “white” isn’t THE standard for life, gotta let everyone rock, guy.

[RealityCheck4Ya]

You're clueless. Non-Whites have higher birthrates and populations in their countries than Whites. They aren't diluting their own race, they're diluting the White race.

[CT_CD]

What is it with you and thinking white girls like every other race besides white guys? Yeah some white girls like black guys and other races but overall white girls prefer white guys.

Look up studies and dating site statistics

Watch this video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MP0CDxhQerM

Doesn't matter what anyone says though because I'm sure you'll ask 20 more questions about white girls loving black guys and hating white guys

[luciusmalfoy1]

PM me.

[CT_CD]

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[luciusmalfoy1]

To explain some things to me.

[CT_CD]

@luciusmalfoy1 Did you make a second account?

[luciusmalfoy1]

The only way you’ll find out is it you PM me...

[luciusmalfoy1]

Just do it because I don’t wanna talk here

[luciusmalfoy1]

Will you PM me for fuck sake

[MarkRet]

There's only three races on Earth, blacks, Asians, and whites. Technically, Arabs, Indians, Native Americans, and Hispanics would fall under the category of 'white'. As for traditional European-type whites, yeah, they're fading away, but I think the world is soon coming to an end anyway, so it's really irrelevant.

[Raven_76]

Yeah me too. I hope it ends soon. By 2100..

[MarkRet]

It might be even sooner than that. According to Nostradamus, the pope that's in the Vatican right now is supposed to be the LAST pope. That means either the Catholic Church will be making some radical changes OR it's the end.

[Anonymous]

Wtf is this ahaha. Dude, we’re doing just fine.
1) getting laid has never been easier, FOR EVERYONE. Race may be a factor (for some women) but I’m guessing the reason you aren’t getting laid is not because you’re white. Maybe it has something to do with your bitter anger toward the world.
2) statistically speaking, but only because white people are more common in developed countries where population begins to stagnate, as non white countries develop further, their population will stagnate too.
3) Yeh sure, but those are cities etc. rural and suburban parts of a country tend to stay true to their race

Although none of this really matters, think of yourself as an individual first, not as a member of a race.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Those birth stats refer to the entire world. For example, Asian do have more kids due to the reality lived in Asian countries. They have a culture very much different from European and American countries.

London is one of the most diverse cities in the worls. It has thousands of emigrants and foreigners. I was there not so long ago and I saw many of everything. London is not a good example to use.

White girls do like to date white guys. Ask that to the girls here. You will see.

[Anonymous]

if it's going to happen then it's going to happen either way, there's not much you or anybody can do to actually change what's happening. saw a video here earlier about how western civilization is going to collapse eventually, just enjoy the show and ride for as long as it last, the video even said there are simply no solutions at all for all that's happening

[RealityCheck4Ya]

Yes there is. Close the borders, remove all of the traitorous politicians who are destroying every White country, and have more White babies. THAT is how you fix it.

[Anonymous]

Maybe white guys should straighten up and become fuckable and dateable again.

[Repa33]

1) a minority. Majority are married to white dudes
2. Tons of white women have kids
3. Immigration won't kill an ethnicity

[Soteris]

Actually that is statistically improbable. If we go by your logic then blue eyes or blond hair should already be extinct long ago.

[Raven_76]

Not really

[Soteris]

Its basically the same thing though you know.

[Drooogie4]

Still a bitter white guy huh?

[Raven_76]

I have reason to be like that. It’s not my fault white girls love other races so much.

[Drooogie4]

Or they just don't like you because you're bitter

[Raven_76]

Why wouldn’t I be bitter and upset? White guys have to die alone because they’re white and it’s wrong

[Drooogie4]

Lol. No they dont. Just the bitter, mean ones.

[Anonymous]

JESUS CHRIST STFU seriously don't you realize that your opinions are fucking wrong

[Raven_76]

White girls with other races is the norm.

[Opinion Owner]

no it isn't, your just crazy

[Raven_76]

It really is.

[Opinion Owner]

find some scientific proof of that and get back to me

[Raven_76]

I don’t care anymore. I give up.

[weasley8]

They won’t. And for the record, mixed race children have greater genetic diversity and therefore tend to be healthier. Mixing races isn’t a bad thing.

[RealityCheck4Ya]

You're absolutely delusional, and clueless. Mixed race people do not have greater genetic diversity and they most certainly are NOT healthier. What they have is something called outbreeding depression. That's a BAD thing. Educate yourself, fool.

[SentientBrick]

Oh look! A internet dumpster fire. HOLD ON GUYS IMAH GET THE POPCORN!

[Under_Maps_OF_twigs]

I disagree with your conclusions even if I thought they were true.

[Tyffen]

We won't die out mate...

We'll lose control over most of our countries...

[RealityCheck4Ya]

And if Whites lose control over most of their countries, they WILL die out.

[name_is_eric]

If that means you perish, hopefully soon. White people should have a purge.

[Anonymous]

Never. We built the entire civilization and pretty much every invention in the world was made by white people. If white people become extinct, the entire human race will follow very quickly.

[Starrk]

Whenever you finish telling these lies, you can join the rest of us in the real world. :)

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk not lies, historical facts. the fact we live in an age where it's perfectly acceptable to hate white people and be racist towards them doesn't change the fact that white people built and invented almost everything that exists.

[Starrk]

If you think white people invented "almost everything" then you are a fool who needs to learn how to use google. Just because you assume that white people invented almost everything does not mean they actually did.

For example, there are many things that you use on a daily basis that was created by non-white people. But due to your ignorance on the subject, you probably write it off as a white person's invention. Why? Because nobody taught you, and you don't come across as the type of guy who would joyfully research this type of stuff.

[dantetheexplorer]

Native Americans were doing just fine before you guys came over :)

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk As I said, it's not my attitude, it's a historical fact. But I can see you are pretty triggered by this, so let's take a different approach. Let's play a game, you name one non-white invention, and I will name two white. And let's see who runs out of inventions faster.
@dantetheexplorer yeah, totally fine, killing each other, chopping their limbs off, eating parts of human flesh etc. wonderful times. also Im not even American, I don't know why do people assume that if you are white you must be from the US

[Starrk]

Triggered? Interesting. Is that the new word people say when their incorrect opinions get challenged by someone? How cute.

As for your little game, Why should I waste time with such a trivial game when you can easily google "Black, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, etc inventors and do your own research. It would be foolish to waste hours on a game when you can do the research in 10-25 minutes.

And while you're doing your homework, explain this to me. How did White people build civilization when Ancient Egypt, Indus Valley Civilisation, and Mesopotamia were thriving civilizations centuries before Europeans created their first one?

You can't necessarily be the creator of something when the thing you "created" was already there prior to you creating it.

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk Following that logic you can trace it all the way to the first humans in Africa, when everybody was black, and then say black race should take all the credits. I was talking about civilization as we know it. As for Google searches, you should be the one doing that, because as I mentioned few times here already, it's a historical fact that white people had by far the biggest contribution to the world, but you just keep ignoring it.

And no, "triggered" is the word we use when someone seems to feel particularly emotional about a subject, especially when they have no point like you do, then it appears as if something triggered them to go and fight these pointless online battles

[Starrk]

"Following that logic you can trace it all the way to the first humans in Africa, when everybody was black, and then say black race should take all the credits."

My logic does not give credibility to this analogy of yours. Please explain this further, because I don't see how me telling you that there were previous civilizations give credibility to the analogy that black people can take credit for everything. You are seriously reaching here.

"it's a historical fact that white people had by far the biggest contribution to the world, but you just keep ignoring it. "

Nice job at shifting the goalpost, but you didn't say that. You said clear as day "We built the entire civilization and pretty much every invention in the world was made by white people. If white people become extinct, the entire human race will follow very quickly."

Your initial post said nothing about them being one of many who contributed to the world. But you did assert that they did pretty much everything and without them, the entire human race would go extinct. There's a difference between being a contributor to something and being the sole creator of something. Your initial post asserted the latter, now you're trying to recant while at the same time blaming me.

It's not my fault you can't get your argument straight.

"And no, "triggered" is the word we use when someone seems to feel particularly emotional about a subject,"

Well, that's good to know. Because that doesn't apply to me. You almost had me worried for a second. :)

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk The way we live today is based on European culture. You were going back to the past and linking ancient cultures that had a completely different way of life, so I merely pointed out that if we are going to do that, we might as well go all the way back. In history books, its Columbus thats credited for discovering America, even though there were people there before him, he was the one who made it possible for it to become what is it today.

Im not shifting anything, my point remains, if it wasn't for white people, the world today would be in the middle ages at best. I am aware white people didn't do everything, I never claimed they did, but their contribution is by far the biggest, and brought the majority of the most advaced things humanity has today.

[Starrk]

We live in European culture because Europeans were the only ones motivated enough to conquer every region in the world and force their way of living onto the population. Don't get that confuse with Europeans had the best culture. If the Chinese were as motivated to conquer the world in the 1400s then we'll be speaking Chinese.

As for Columbus, he is only credited with discovering America from a Euro-centric standpoint. Regardless of that, the credit Columbus receive is a misnomer, which is why his holiday is by far the most controversial one we have.

As for the world still being in the middle ages without white people. I really don't like that argument of yours because it's biased in favor of recent history. In actuality, there wouldn't have even been a Middle Age (for Europeans to leapfrog off of) had it not been for the contributions of others (e. g., The Chinese, Middle Eastern, Africans, etc).

I'm not denying that Europeans didn't contribute, but don't act as if their contributions occurred in a vacuum where they started at square 1 and finished to were we're at now. The groundwork for a lot of their contribution was already laid due to the efforts of others. All they had to do was take it to the next level which they did. But that doesn't make them the biggest contributors, just one of many.

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk "the only ones motivated enough to conquer"? funny how when we were talking about the origins of our current civilization and way of life you were quick to jump to other cultures, but now when it comes to conquering you are blaming it all on Europeans. Almost every race and nationality conquered foreign territories and claimed them. The only difference is that Europeans were actually good at it.

What do you mean "in favor of recent history"? White people have achieved things for thousands of years, not just in recent history. And why do you think the Middle Ages would not happen without others? These are just random statements, you need to explain them further, otherwise we will be stuck in a "no u" war.

Once again, I never said they took it from square 1 and finished where we are now, nor am I denying that other races contributed as well. But their contribution actually was the greatest. Not the only one, but the biggest one. And you can find proof for that in the simple fact that all the most developed countries in the world today are living in an European type of a civilization, while places like Middle East, or Africa which held onto their tradition are shitholes even nowadays and live basically a few centuries behind the rest of the world. And even Asian cultures (some of which I personally think have even more potential than white people, but they are still in the process of discovering it) still have a lot of ass backwards laws and things that are quite primitive for the 21st century.

[Starrk]

"but now when it comes to conquering you are blaming it all on Europeans"

Not blaming just stating facts. Europeans spread their way of living to other nations because they conquered those areas. Where is the disconnect occurring between you and that statement?

When I say you are biased in favor of recent history I am stating that you only think about the major contributions that people (particularly white) have contributed to in the past 500 years while at the same time neglecting all the previous contributions from 1000+ years ago that made the more recent ones possible to even exist.

For example, I'm pretty sure you agree that the internet/computer is a recent invention which you probably give white people 100% credit on. But the internet would have never been possible had it not been for the numbering system (0,1,2,3,4,5) that the Indians created over a thousand ago. Had it not been for the Indians creating the numbering system along with the number 0 which is crucial in binary coding, then the majority of the technology that you are surrounded by would not be possible.

As for the Middle Ages not occurring without others, well it's simple to understand. The Middle Ages occurred after the collapse of the Roman Empire in Western Europe. Do you honestly think there would have even been a Roman Empire had it not been for the contributions of past civilizations like Greece, Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc, which all gave Romans a reference point for how a civilization should look?

And before you ask, yes, Ancient Rome was heavily influenced by previous civilizations especially Greece who in turn were heavily influenced by Egypt.

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk "Where is the disconnect occurring between you and that statement?" - The disconnection is you saying Europeans were the only ones motivated enough, while in reality everybody was motivated to do it, only Europeans were actually good at it. It would be like saying Slash was one of the rare guys who was motivated enough to be a rockstar, even though we know thousands, if not millions of guys want and go after the same thing, only they never manage to make it real.

As for the rest, we are basically again going back to the first black men in Africa. Yes the internet wouldn't have been possible if there was no numbering system, but the numbering system wouldn't have been possible if the Australopithecus didn't learn to think for itself and develop something resembling a consciousness. Everybody's work in history of mankind has been based on somebody else's work before him. And if you start giving credit to those before, in the end you will always reach the beginning of human evolution. Which is a ridiculous way of looking at things. Indians may have invented the numbering system, but modern Indians still shit on the streets. So clearly there was some other factor between Indian numbers and the invention of the internet. And I'll let you guess what that was. Everybody is working with what those before him invented, but it's what you can make from those previous inventions that counts. And Europeans proved they can do much more than the rest.

[Starrk]

"The disconnection is you saying Europeans were the only ones motivated enough, while in reality everybody was motivated to do it, only Europeans were actually good at it"

When I say they were the only ones motivated enough to conquer other areas, I'm talking more about during the age of exploration where they conquered the Americas, which propelled many Western European countries financially and economically along with playing a crucial role in spreading their culture to other side of the world. During the age of exploration, Western Europeans were the only ones who were motivated enough to conquer the Americas along with other areas that were not claimed. The Chinese, Ottoman Empire, Northern Africa, and Eastern Europe, were fully aware of the Americas existence after the word spread throughout Afro-Eurasia.

However, neither one of them were motivated enough to try their luck in the Americas. Hell, the Chinese were across the street from the Americas and they still didn't care about conquering it and spreading their culture. That's where my comment came from. Western European culture spread like wildfire over the past 400 years because they were hell-bent on doing such. Had the world Empires had that much motivation, then the world as we know it would be very different.

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk You do realize that "Native Americans" were exactly conquerors from Asia? They just found nobody already there to kill so they just settled and made a culture of their own (just like Europeans later on settled and now we have American culture).

And the reason they didn't try to conquer it later on was because Amerigo Vespucci and Christopher Columbus were the ones who discovered it, and that discovery was immediately followed by conquerors from all over Europe who were already very good at conquering and killing others so the risks simply outweighed the benefits. Once Europeans established their culture there, people from all over the world started settling there, proving that they all wanted to, they just either didn't have the means, or weren't willing to take the risks necessary.

[Starrk]

"Which is a ridiculous way of looking at things."

Well, the way you described, yeah it would be ridiculous. I don't think developing consciousness would be considered an invention. But I do believe credit should be given regardless of how far in the past we have to go. If said invention was the catalyst to something else then that previous invention should be noted and its contribution to the world should not be weakened because we developed something better for our modern use.

Did Europeans create a butt load of stuff? Yes! Did Asians, Indians, Africans and Middle Easterns also create a butt load of stuff? Yes!. Did the inventions of others result in innovations? Yes!. Did the inventions of the past contribute to what we have today? Yes!

So, with that in mind how can you objectively say who had the biggest contribution? And how can you say that without white people, the entire human race will go extinct?

Also, as for India being so poor well you can blame that on the British for doing such a wonderful job at colonizing India for close to 200 years. Prior to the British's arrival, the India continent accounted for 25% of the worlds GDP (2nd only to China who accounted for over 30%). When the British left in 1947, that number was reduced to 2%.

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk That's a nice way of looking at things, but unrealistic. If we always looked and credited previous inventions, a person who writes a simple newspaper article would have to mention not only the person who invented newspapers as a thing, but also the inventors of paper, ink, letters, numbers, chairs, desk lamps, pencils, erasers and a billion other things. You see the problem? There is no place where you can draw the line. And everybody would have to have an additional entire book with just lists of previous inventors.

"So, with that in mind how can you objectively say who had the biggest contribution? " As I said, I can say it because we can all observe the simple fact that all the most developed nations and regions of the world live in an European type of a civilization, while all other civilizations at the very least have a lot of primitive ass backwards laws and traditions.

"And how can you say that without white people, the entire human race will go extinct?" - Because even with all the civilized wonderful contributions the European culture has brought to the world, people are still killing each other, poisoning each other, and getting into all sorts of trouble. Remove all the most civilized countries and their ways and you are left with a bunch of primitive people who are extremely unlikely to achieve any form of progress, and are far more likely to use all available resources to kill each other and fuck each other up, just like they are already doing in their microuniverses.

[Starrk]

"You do realize that "Native Americans" were exactly conquerors from Asia?"

No, they were not. In order to be a conqueror, you need to conquer something. And in order to conquer something you need to overcome or take control of said thing by force or military action. Simply settling in an uninhabited area does not make you a conqueror. That makes you a migrant.

As for your explanation on why others didn't follow suit, well your reasoning is wrong. The reason the Ottomans and the Chinese didn't try to colonize the Americas was because there was no incentive to do so. Both empires had control over vast areas with a lot of resources in the Eurasia continent.

They were content with what they already had. So when word got around that there were more places they could take over, they simply didn't care. Europeans were more hell-bent on colonizing because their continent is very small, with limited resources and a growing dense population. So that unclaimed land to the west was far more attractive to them than it was to others.

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk they headed out with the intent to conquer new territories. they just didn't find anyone to kill, as I said, but if they did it's not like they would apologize, turn around and go back.

About Ottomans and the Chinese, its all tied around what I already wrote, the risks outweighed the benefits. If they had an easy way to conquer those territories they most certainly would have. Hitler had half of Europe, and he still attacked Russia nevertheless. Conquerors are conquerors, they are not fighting against an oppressor, they are fighting to control as many territories as possible.

[Starrk]

First of all, why would a person who writes a newspaper article have to credit the entire damn printing press? There's a time an place for everything. I'm not saying we should list every single past invention when the situation doesn't call for it. Only that we should consciously acknowledge the contribution of the past to the present and not ignore it as if it's not
important.

"I can say it because we can all observe the simple fact that all the most developed nations and regions of the world live in an European type of a civilization"

I'm assuming your cherry picking with that post. Because Latin America and East Europe live in a European type of civilization and they are far from developed.

Because even with all the civilized wonderful contributions the European culture has brought to the world, people are still killing each other, poisoning each other, and getting into all sorts of trouble.

You do realize that in the past 100 years, a "European type of a civilization" nearly ended the world several times with their foolish wars. And you dare sit here and talk about the primitive nature of others. If I had to bet money on which countries will be involved in WW3, WW4 and, if God's hates us enough, WW5 my bet is going to be with those countries that you call a "European type of a civilization".

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk "First of all, why would a person who writes a newspaper article have to credit the entire damn printing press?" for the same reason the inventor of the internet would have to credit people of the ancient world for inventing something as basic as numbers. I don't understand the full reasoning behind it either, but it is your logic.

" Because Latin America and East Europe live in a European type of civilization and they are far from developed." - true, but they are still more developed than Africa, the Middle East, and a lot of shitholes in Asia. And even if we ignore all of that, you still have no point there. My emphasis was never "all European cultures are advanced", it was "all advanced cultures are European".

"You do realize that in the past 100 years, a "European type of a civilization" nearly ended the world several times with their foolish wars." - yes that was exactly my point. if we have such high levels of destruction despite having so much advanced technology, and civilized laws and everything, then what would become of the world if we took all that out, and it was left in the hands of even less developed people?

[Starrk]

"I don't understand the full reasoning behind it either, but it is your logic."

Yeah. You might want to understand the full reasoning behind it because that's not my logic. First of all, let us backtrack because it seems you are completely misconstruing my argument.
My argument is in direct counter to your previous post where you claimed: "pretty much every invention in THE WORLD was made by white people" along with " it's a HISTORICAL fact that white people had by far the biggest contribution to the world."

When I started talking about giving credit. I'm not saying every inventor should list the Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Mayans and the damn Neanderthals on their patent.

What I am saying is that a lot of the current technology we have is due to past contributions. So for you to come here and say white people created pretty much everything in existence is you being biased to modern history. Yes, Western Europe has created a lot of stuff and I dare say in the past 500 years they have contributed the most. But that does not take away from the fact that prior to the Industrial Revolution a sizeable chunk if not the majority of the world's contribution came from elsewhere particularly Asia, the Middle East, and Africa.

Think of this way. Let's say in 400 years after WW25 Nigeria has risen to top as the most dominant and successful country with the highest level of innovation in that era. Europe and America are still around but they have declined in global influence. Would it factually be correct for someone in the year 2419 to say "It is a HISTORICAL fact that Nigeria has contributed the most to the world?

"My emphasis was never "all European cultures are advanced", it was "all advanced cultures are European"

Are you sure you want to word it that way?

[Starrk]

"if we have such high levels of destruction despite having so much advanced technology, and civilized laws and everything, then what would become of the world if we took all that out, and it was left in the hands of even less developed people?"

Just because we have better technology and a better system in place does not make us any more responsible when it comes to handling this weaponry as you assume. A simple look at the number of conflicts and wars the USA has had should tell you that.

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk So where do you draw the line? "What I am saying is that a lot of the current technology we have is due to past contributions." - nobody denies that, that is a fact. But obviously we also both agree that it's ridiculous to credit everybody who invented everything that lead up to your work. Me saying pretty much every invention in the world was made by white people is something called hyperbole, Google it if you don't know what it means.

"But that does not take away from the fact that prior to the Industrial Revolution a sizeable chunk if not the majority of the world's contribution came from elsewhere particularly Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. " - a sizeable chunk yes, the majority no. also saying that white people made contributions only in the last 500 years is simply historically inaccurate and ignorant as fuck. white people have been contributing to the world for thousands of years.

"Would it factually be correct for someone in the year 2419 to say "It is a HISTORICAL fact that Nigeria has contributed the most to the world?" - if they bring enough useful revolutionary inventions and new things then absolutely! for someone to be the biggest contributor, they need to contribute in the biggest amount. simple as that.

"Just because we have better technology and a better system in place does not make us any more responsible when it comes to handling this weaponry as you assume." - I don't assume that. My point was if people in the western culture, who are far more civilized than the rest of the world, and generally experience and participate in significantly less crime and violence are still capable of being so aggressive and primitive, what can you expect from people where violence is an everyday thing, or from people who shit on the streets, or from people who beat the piss out of their students for not achieving the best results etc. etc. ?

[Starrk]

"Me saying pretty much every invention in the world was made by white people is something called hyperbole."

At least you admit that comment of yours was an exaggeration. It's hard to detect hyperbole on a site like this when people make claims like that all the time with serious intent behind it. There on people on this site who would swear on the Bible that no one else has contributed to the world beside Europeans.

I never said white people only contributed to the world in the last 500 years. I just used that time frame as the beginning of when Europeans really started to ramp up their rate on contribution.

"for someone to be the biggest contributor, they need to contribute in the biggest amount."

Interesting!!! So would you consider the USA to be a bigger contributor to the world than Western Europe? Keep in mind, we did put man on the moon and made a lot of advances in medicine along with creating the internet. Does that overshadow Western Europes contribution in your eyes?

"My point was if people in the western culture, who are far more civilized than the rest of the world"

I think you're overestimating western culture and completely downplaying the fact that people, in general, don't want to be killed. There are many less developed nations in the world who have access to nuclear weapons, with India being ones of those nations. You know the same India where you asserted that people shit on the street. India and Pakistan are both nuclear states who share a deep hatred with one another that goes back decades.

These two less developed and non-western nations have done a wonderful job in biting their tongue toward one another.

So being "civilize" or "a western culture" has nothing to do with it. It's just that people understand the simple concept of mutually assured destruction. You don't need to come from a western nation to understand that humans are very vindictive.

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@Starrk " So would you consider the USA to be a bigger contributor to the world than Western Europe?" - perhaps, for a statement like that we would need to draw a parallel and compare all the contributions each made. but that is not the focus of the discussion, and USA is anyway a former European colony, living in an European white type of a civilization until present day.

"These two less developed and non-western nations have done a wonderful job in biting their tongue toward one another." - you mean like almost going to war like 10 days ago? And you do realize that it's not 1945 anymore so we can throw a couple of nukes and call it a day. Modern nukes are A LOT more powerful, and throwing just a few of them around could cause nuclear winter and wipe out the entire human race and all life on this planet, which is, needless to say, not in anyone's best interest.
Primitive minds operate mostly on violence. I personally grew up in a shithole of a country where violence was an everyday thing, and it was completely unavoidable, it was only a matter of time when you were going to find yourself in someone's cross-hairs. Of course, when you have so many primitive fucks who are willing to attack, cripple and kill their own people for no particular reason, needless to say whenever the country was in a conflict with anyone, the people were very open to the idea of war. That's how primitive minds work. And it doesn't matter how many smart people a country may or may not have, if the primitive minds are the majority, the country will make bad decisions.

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"but that is not the focus of the discussion"

Yes. The focus as of right now is whether your statement about white people being the linchpin in the survivability of the human race is valid or not and as of right now I have not seen anything from you that proves they are.

"you mean like almost going to war like 10 days ago? "

The same way they almost went to war 30 days ago, 80 days ago, 4 years ago, 6 years ago, 10 years ago, 23 years ago, 30 years ago etc. The key word in that statement is "almost". India and Pakistan have threatened war with one another more times than the world can count. It's not a new thing. The only thing that matters is that they understand the simple fact that they risk more going to war than they gain. You don't need to come from an advance nation to be able to weight the odds between option A and option B and determining whether it's worth taking the more dangerous option. Hell, even animals like the cheetah will pick and choose its battles.

"Primitive minds operate mostly on violence."

So I guess those European countries are no damn better. You're trying too hard to make a dichotomy between European cultures and other cultures and assert that these other cultures are incapable of taking care of themselves and ensuring their own survival and that they would kill themselves without the supervision of "white people". First of all, I don't even know how you can insert race in this, because the vices of humanity can be found within anyone including white people.

Last time I check white people are not Gods, will never be Gods and suffer from the same flaws as other groups. So you can cut the race talk.

As for the European culture bit, well once again you still have not shown me anything that would assume the survival of humanity is dependent on this type of culture. Either you're overestimating the importance of European culture (ethnocentrism) or you are vastly underestimating the will of our species to survive.

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@Starrk I meant the focus of discussion isn't which of the European cultures is the best. We can talk about it though if you wish, I just think that is a completely different discussion.

"The same way they almost went to war 30 days ago, 80 days ago, 4 years ago, 6 years ago, 10 years ago, 23 years ago, 30 years ago etc." - yeah, that's my point exactly, they are both pretty primitive, pretty aggressive, and if it wasn't for outside factors they would have been at war all those times. you are the one who pointed out the fact they both have nuclear weapons but didn't use them, and I merely pointed out that nobody wants to use nuclear weapons nowadays, because they are too powerful and would do too much harm to the entire human race. still, none of those things say anything about either of the two nations being civilized

"So I guess those European countries are no damn better." - they are a lot better. crime does happen everywhere, and it always will, its a part of human nature. but take a walk down the street of some 3rd world shithole without getting stabbed, shot, raped or anything - and it's a fucking challenge. meanwhile in western Europe or in the us, unless you go to the ghetto or some other neighborhood that everybody knows is dangerous, you don't have to worry about being a victim of a random act of violence. and you can find proof for all of that in the simple fact that people from 2nd and 3rd world countries massively run away and settle in the 1st world countries.

"As for the European culture bit, well once again you still have not shown me anything that would assume the survival of humanity is dependent on this type of culture." - as I already said, all the most developed and peaceful countries are European cultures. The majority of wars are being prevented by the interference of either the US or NATO. Every country that kept its tradition and hasn't adopted European laws is a shithole that people run from. Etc. etc.

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"We can talk about it though if you wish, I just think that is a completely different discussion."

Nah. I'm good. I've already spent too much time on this site as it is. :)

"yeah, that's my point exactly, they are both pretty primitive, pretty aggressive, and if it wasn't for outside factors they would have been at war all those times."

Those outside factors aren't always there. There have been times when India and Pakistan mediated themselves. And even if the outside factors were there, what difference does it make. I mean we are talking about primitive minds here who run on instinct as if they don't possess a cortex. Why would outside factors matter? Hell, the US and Russia have ignored the warnings of nations many times and I'm sure you hold them to a higher standard than countries like India and Pakistan.

"crime does happen everywhere, and it always will, its a part of human nature. but take a walk down the street of some 3rd world shithole without getting stabbed, shot, raped or anything - and it's a fucking challenge."

Okay, I can agree to this. So does this mean Japan and Taiwan are culturally less primitive than the west considering their nations have a lower crime rate than the majority of Western Europe and the USA?

"The majority of wars are being prevented by the interference of either the US or NATO. "

And the majority of global conflicts have been perpetrated and instigated by the US or a NATO member, so what good is it to prevent wars when are you stirring the pot elsewhere?

Also, I'm still waiting for the evidence to that claim of yours where you said. "If white people become extinct, the entire human race will follow very quickly?" I've still have not seen anything that could substantiate that claim.

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@Starrk "Why would outside factors matter?" - because it doesn't take great intelligence to realize that if you overstep your boundaries you can get your ass kicked by somebody more powerful.

"Hell, the US and Russia have ignored the warnings of nations many times" - they are both among the most powerful military forces in the world today, they have the luxury to ignore the warnings, because nobody can fuck with them.

"So does this mean Japan and Taiwan are culturally less primitive than the west considering their nations have a lower crime rate than the majority of Western Europe and the USA?" - you'd think so, but sadly their other traditions show extremely primitive behavior so it cancels each other out. As you probably know yourself, in Japan it's perfectly acceptable and normal as a trainer, for an example, to beat the piss out of your student for not achieving the best results. And same goes for parents and their kids. This is just an example, there are a lot more primitive customs and traditions over there.

"And the majority of global conflicts have been perpetrated and instigated by the US or a NATO member, so what good is it to prevent wars when are you stirring the pot elsewhere?" - this is true, I have to admit, but nevertheless it's better to have only a handful of countries being assholes, than the entire world doing what they please. now do I think this is a good thing and should go on? no. all I'm saying is that it's the lesser evil.

"Also, I'm still waiting for the evidence to that claim of yours" - it's literally what we are talking about here all this time. without white people, you remove the most advanced and civilized human beings in the world today, the majority of scientists that find cures for diseases and all kinds of shit, the people who are preventing wars and high rates of random criminal violence, the people that bring the most new inventions. so you are left with a society full of disease, crime, death and no progress. do the math

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"because it doesn't take great intelligence to realize that if you overstep your boundaries you can get your ass kicked by somebody more powerful. "

And it doesn't take great intelligence to realize the simple concept of "If I attack them, they will surely respond by attacking me". Even animals understand that concept.

"they are both among the most powerful military forces in the world today, they have the luxury to ignore the warnings, because nobody can fuck with them. "

That's not the point. My point was to show you your hypocrisy. When India and Pakistan threaten war with one another you chalk that up as them being primitive, backward and a prime example of them being helpless had it not been for other nations. If that make India and Pakistan primitive than what does it make the US and Russia who have been embroiled in conflicts/proxy wars nonstop since the 1940s. I'll tell you what it makes them. It makes them no better in controlling their aggression than the nations you called primitive.

"you'd think so, but sadly their other traditions show extremely primitive behavior so it cancels each other out."

It doesn't work that way, my friend. Every nation on this planet possesses some type of custom that is viewed as primitive from the outside looking in. For example, the US still practice circumcision on non-consenting baby boys due to shoddy science from the early 1900s and they believe the death penalty is justifiable despite researchers saying it doesn't deter crime and serves no purpose besides retribution.

There are primitive customs in all nations so if those little customs are enough for a highly prosperous nation like Taiwan and Japan to fall short of being advanced than the western nations should fall short as well.

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"without white people, you remove the most advanced and civilized human beings in the world today"

Correction, without the efforts of a handful of countries (e. g., US, UK, Germany, Japan, China, South Korea, Taiwan, France, Canada, Brazil, Italy ) who pour a lot of money into research and development and contribute heavily to globalization efforts you are temporarily left with a stagnant, chaotic society UNTIL someone eventually capitalize on the vacuum these nations left and take over were the others left off.

Take notice how I said "nations" not race, because race is irrelevant here. Black AMERICANS have contributed more to the world than the majority of the white ethnic groups in Europe, so the race of a person isn't the determining factor here, but where said person came from is.

Moral of the story, if those several advanced countries (along with their population) were to disappear tomorrow, the white people who live in places like Bulgaria, Uruguay, Georgia are going to be in the same stagnant world as every other nation that is not on the level as the ones listed earlier.

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@Starrk "If that make India and Pakistan primitive than what does it make the US and Russia who have been embroiled in conflicts/proxy wars nonstop since the 1940s" - there is a huge difference between having conflicts, and being on the verge of a war. and it does matter that they are the most powerful forces, because India, Pakistan and other shitholes know if a war breaks out, there are stronger guys out there who will kick their asses. yet they almost go to war every 5 minutes. while US and Russia know that there is nobody above them who can kick their asses, and they could go to war at any given minute, but they never get close enough to that, because they are civilized enough to understand the devastating consequences that would have.

"It doesn't work that way, my friend. Every nation on this planet possesses some type of custom that is viewed as primitive from the outside looking in." - except these are not grey area customs that can be perceived differently from certain points of view, these are customs that directly hurt and infringe on people's basic rights. also, removing the death penalty wouldn't be civilized, but retarded, you need to know where to draw the line.

"(e. g., US, UK, Germany, Japan, China, South Korea, Taiwan, France, Canada, Brazil, Italy )" - I don't know where do you get your info, but the most developed country list looks nothing like that. Google it.

" Black AMERICANS have contributed more to the world than the majority of the white ethnic groups in Europe" - this is simply incorrect, you pulled this out of your ass and presented it like a fact.

"Moral of the story, if those several advanced countries (along with their population) were to disappear tomorrow, the white people who live in places like Bulgaria, Uruguay, Georgia are going to be in the same stagnant world as every other nation that is not on the level as the ones listed earlier. " - Yes, absolutely. However the majority of those advanced countries are white.

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"there is a huge difference between having conflicts, and being on the verge of a war."

Irrelevant. What matters the most for this discussion is the fact that both results in the loss of lives and involves "primitive behaviors" (e. g., violence, aggression, etc).

"because they are civilized enough to understand the devastating consequences that would have."

Yeah, you still haven't provided any proof besides conjectures on why this same argument doesn't apply to India and Pakistan. Both countries have been on the brink of war but never pulled the trigger because just like Russia and the US, they understand there are consequences especially in the world of globalization.

"except these are not grey area customs that can be perceived differently from certain points of view, these are customs that directly hurt and infringe on people's basic rights."

So you agree with me because that's what it sounds like.

"I don't know where do you get your info, but the most developed country list looks nothing like that. Google it."

I know that. That list is the list of countries who pour the most money into research and development which goes in hand with my previous post of countries who contribute the most to research/innovation. Google it.

"this is simply incorrect, you pulled this out of your ass and presented it like a fact."

Modern day music (rap, pop, rock) are all offshoots of Black American music during the Slavery Era. It was a Black American who created the gas mask which saved countless of lives in both World Wars (Garrett Morgan). It was a black American who improved on Edison's light bulb by replacing Edison's bamboo filament with a carbon filament (Lewis Latimer). It was a black man who discovered that peanuts could be used in various ways (George Washington Carver). It was a Black woman who developed the first security system for houses (Marie Van Brittan Brown). It was a Black man who improved the artificial cardiac pacemaker (Otis Boykin).

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It was a Black man who developed the first large scale blood bank, bloodmobiles, and blood plasma programs ( Charles Drew). It was a Black mathematician who perfected the lens design for microscopes and ophthalmologic uses and it was through his mathematical models that gamma radiations could be explained (Jesse Ernest Wilkins). It was a Black man who created the ultraviolet camera/spectrograph (George Carruthers). It was a Black woman who refined cataract surgery by creating the Laserphaco Probe ( Dr. Patricia Bath). It was a Black man who created the first automated machine that allowed for shoes to be produced at a faster rate and made it cheaper for the average person to afford (Jan Matzeliger).

Moral of the story, Black Americans have created a lot of stuff that goes unnoticed because people (like you) don't care to learn it because they assume that white people created everything there is to create. So your little assertion that the world would be fucked without white people is fallacious and reeks of something that only an ignorant person would say. There isn't a single group on this planet who is so damn important that their existence is needed for the survival of the human race.

"However the majority of those advanced countries are white."

Which is irrelevant because there are way more white countries who are not advanced. That alone is evidence that whiteness isn't the confounding factors causing the association between advanced and less advanced nations.

So far, you have spent 4 days going back and forth with me trying to prove the causal relationship between two things that are not mutually exclusive (whiteness and the state of being advanced) and so far you have failed at every turn and have wasted my time in the process. So I'm going to give you an ultimatum. Give me some evidence for your argument (not conjectures or opinions) or I will accept your concession.

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@Starrk " they understand there are consequences" - yes, but two of those are afraid, and are forced into peace, while the other two actually don't want to see people hurt. big difference.

"That list is the list of countries who pour the most money into research" - Ok, now it's more similar to your list, but still different.

As for black contributions, the things you listed are smaller than 1% of white people contributions. I never claimed other races had no contributions, I just said that white people contributed the most, which is common knowledge.

" there are way more white countries who are not advanced" - there are many, but all the most advanced ones are white, and its very relevant, because it shows that being advanced is pretty much only possible among white people, at least until now. Why is everybody moving either to the EU, to the US and Canada or to Australia and New Zealand? Why is nobody running to Mongolia, Ethiopia, Pakistan etc?

"So far, you have spent 4 days going back and forth with me " - this is my favorite part. I offered you right from the beginning to list non-white inventions and said that for every one you list, I will list TWO white inventions, you declined. then you tried to push that bullshit "well sure, white people invented a lot of things but indians invented numbers and it wouldn't be possible without them", so then I debunked that with the whole Australopithecus story. Then you brought up two shithole countries who are not going to war because they fear other countries and tried to present them as something civilized. And now you listed a handful of random black inventions, half of which can't even be considered inventions. So it doesn't matter how many facts I throw at you, you keep trying to dodge them and to make objective, concrete facts look like they depend on a point of view. You want facts? Look around. Google everything you see. Then divide all those inventions by race (just don't use your Indian number bullshit logic)

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"yes, but two of those are afraid, and are forced into peace, while the other two actually don't want to see people hurt. big difference."

Pure conjecture. Why is it a conjecture? Because you can't prove any of this.

"As for black contributions, the things you listed are smaller than 1% of white people contributions. I never claimed other races had no contributions, I just said that white people contributed the most, which is common knowledge."

My point for listing black inventors completely went over your head. My intent was not to list every single invention from a Black person but to show that every group has contributed to the world and that no group is dependent on one group to do everything or to protect them from extinction.

"there are many, but all the most advanced ones are white, and its very relevant, because it shows that being advanced is pretty much only possible among white people, at least until now."

Already debunked this. You can't claim being white is a causal factor for being advance when most white countries are not advanced and there are several non-white countries that are advanced.

"So it doesn't matter how many facts I throw at you, you keep trying to dodge them and to make objective"

You have presented about 10% facts and 90% conjectures, hypothesis, fallacy and misinformation. And the 10% facts you have presented have been either irrelevant or facts that your foolishly tried to use to prove a conjecture.

Saying white people contributed a lot to the world is factual. Saying the survival of our species is dependent on white people's existence is a conjecture/opinion. Using the fact that white people contributed a lot to the world DOES NOT make your conjecture a fact nor does it provide credibility to your conjecture. The only thing it does is make you look foolish by thinking you can turn a false narrative into a fact by inserting a single miniscule fact.

Logic doesn't work that way. So like I said before, you're wasting my time.

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@Starrk "Because you can't prove any of this." - the proof is very obvious - you keep ignoring it. India and Pakistan violently kill each other's people every 5 minutes. And there are countries that can kick their asses. Russia and USA never get so brutal and direct. And there is nobody that can kick their asses. Connect the dots.

"but to show that every group has contributed to the world " - I literally never argued this, and even mentioned that I am aware of that on several occasions.

"most white countries are not advanced and there are several non-white countries that are advanced." - first of all, I'm not sure if we can say most white countries are not advanced, and even those who really aren't are still far more advanced than most non-white countries. and those several non white advanced countries you mention may be advanced in certain areas, but if you look at the entire picture they are far from advanced. the fact is there isn't a single non-white country that can come even close to Norway, Switzerland, Australia etc.

"Using the fact that white people contributed a lot to the world DOES NOT make your conjecture a fact" - I never said it did, you were the one who denied white contribution and linked it to Indian numbers and shit, so that's the reason why I'm talking about white contribution. It only relates to the other topic in the way that without the biggest contributors, there would be almost no new inventions whatsoever. But the main proof that white people are holding it all together is the fact that white countries are the safest, most educated countries in the world, and don't have nearly as much primitive idiots killing each other. Furthermore, as I said, NATO and the US are keeping the vast majority of all countries in the world from going to war and killing each other for no reason. Remove that and all hell breaks loose. So without white people you get practically no progress, more violence than ever, and war all around the world for starters

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"India and Pakistan violently kill each other's people every 5 minutes."
Prove it

"And there are countries that can kick their asses."
Irrelevant. NATO can whop Russa's ass and through sanctions have crippled their economy.

"Russia and USA never get so brutal and direct."
The number of proxy wars going on in the Middle East says otherwise.

"I literally never argued this, and even mentioned that I am aware of that on several occasions."
You didn't have to argue it. You implied it when you said "white people built and invented almost everything that exists." If you're saying they built almost everything that exists, then you're essentially implying that other groups did not contribute anything or contributed very little which is false.

"even those who really aren't are still far more advanced than most non-white countries. "

Most non-white countries (particularly those in Africa) are technically still infants when compared to countries like the US, UK, France, etc. Hell, my 83-year-old grandmother is older than the majority of the countries in Africa. So them not being on the same level as other nations that are 400+ years old is not a huge surprise nor is this a sign that white people are better.

"those several non-white advanced countries you mention may be advanced in certain areas"

No. They're advanced in the areas that matter economically. If we were to go by your defintion of "advance" (which is too subjective and relies mostly on ethnocentrism) then no country would be advanced since every country possess primitive aspects within their culture.

"the fact is there isn't a single non-white country that can come even close to Norway, Switzerland, Australia etc."

In terms of level of contribution to the world, and overall importance to the world, Japan, South Korea, and China have surpassed the nations you listed. And if we're just looking primarily at economic clout, then my list grows even bigger with Mexico and Brazil being added.

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"I never said it did, you were the one who denied white contribution and linked it to Indian numbers and shit, so that's the reason why I'm talking about white contribution."

This is a lie. You were talking about white contribution before I even replied to you. I know its been 7 days ago, but surely you don't forget your initial post where you said "We built the entire civilization and pretty much every invention in the world was made by white people".

So yeah. Don't blame me for your obsession with being white and trying to live vicariously to the accomplishments of others who simply look like you. Which by the way is pathetic.

"It only relates to the other topic in the way that without the biggest contributors, there would be almost no new inventions whatsoever."

Conjecture. Humans are a species who naturally create things for either survival or convenience. When Ancient Egypt collapsed, humans continued to innovate. When Ancient Greece collapsed, humans continued to innovate. When Rome collapsed, humans continued to innovate. When the British Empire collapsed, we continued to innovate. Our ability to innovate is not contingent on any civilization or group of people.

"white countries are the safest, most educated countries in the world, and don't have nearly as much primitive idiots killing each other."

Japan and South Korea are far safer and more educated than most white countries. So once again you're wrong.

"NATO and the US are keeping the vast majority of all countries in the world from going to war and killing each other for no reason."

NATO and US are only protecting the assets that are economically valuable to them. Globalization is what is truly preventing nations from going to war with one another. The structure of the world is different from what it used to be. Every nation now depends on one another for something. So going all war-mode is not in the best interest for ANY NATION.

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@Starrk "Prove it" - YOU already did, you listed some of those conflicts yourself. And if you think I meant literally 5 minutes, then I would invite you again to Google what a hyperbole is, since you clearly have no clue.

"NATO can whop Russa's ass" - This is a fairytale, even the USA doesn't have the balls to go to war with Russia.

"The number of proxy wars going on in the Middle East says otherwise" - I meant with each other, don't try to backpedal out of this.

" You implied it when you said "white people built and invented almost everything that exists."" - I already explained it, you claimed that you knew what a hyperbole is, but here and in that first statement you show you do not.

- "Most non-white countries (particularly those in Africa) are technically still infants when compared to countries like the US, UK, France, etc" - plenty of white countries are just as young, and are still light years ahead of those African ones.

"They're advanced in the areas that matter economically." - So was Hitler's Germany. Does it mean it was civilized, or a good place to live? The fact you keep ignoring is that people from all over the world are migrating to countries with European cultures, and every country that tries to improve starts adopting European-like laws. Even if we only look at the economical aspect, any non-white country that is economically advanced, still uses European business models. You see the pattern? The more you advance, the more you resemble the white man.

"In terms of level of contribution to the world," - I meant as places to live.

"You were talking about white contribution before I even replied to you" - at this point I don't know if you are just playing dumb, or you get some joy out of me explaining the same stuff to you 10 times over.

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@Starrk "Humans are a species who naturally create things for either survival or convenience" - the issue is, we don't live in ancient times anymore. And the vast majority of inventions that are required and that are useful for the modern way of life are white inventions. Expecting some shitkickers who bash each others heads with rocks in the 21st century to come up with any new revolutionary technology is like waiting for a dog to lay an egg, it's just never going to happen.

"Japan and South Korea are far safer and more educated than most white countries. So once again you're wrong." - only Japan is safer, South Korea is on the level of many European countries as well as Australia, which is impressive for a non-white country nevertheless, but it's still not better. As for education, South Korea is more educated, but Canada is already more educated than Japan. Fact of the matter is, people from both Japan and South Korea still migrate to European cultures in big numbers, proving that even despite decent education and crime levels, it's still not a good place to live.

" So going all war-mode is not in the best interest for ANY NATION." - Except not everybody gets this, and certainly not some third world shitholes who go to war on a daily basis (another hyperbole here, so that you don't start correcting me again). US and NATO interfered and stopped so many violent conflicts, that would have had devastating consequences, that is a fact, easy to check. Discrediting them just because they do some bad shit themselves is like saying "well you have cops who smuggle drugs, so we don't need the police at all".

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"YOU already did, you listed some of those conflicts yourself."

If what I stated is your proof then you completely loose ground in your prior argument that Russia and US are not behaving in a primitive behavior due to the number of conflicts they have under their belt.

"This is a fairytale, even the USA doesn't have the balls to go to war with Russia."
In all honesty, the USA has created such a vast empire across the globe, that they don't even need to go war with any country. They possess enough soft power and economic clout that they can simply destroy a country by targeting its economy by enacting sanctions. Russia's economy plummeted when Obama threw sanctions left and right at them.

"I meant with each other, don't try to backpedal out of this."
Who do you think they're having these proxy wars with. Think back to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Ukraine, Yemen, Darfur etc. Russia and the US have been engaging in proxy wars for 2 decades now and the Middle East (and occasionally Africa) have been the battlegrounds for their proxy war. So, I'm not backpedaling, you're just not keeping up.

"I already explained it, you claimed that you knew what a hyperbole is, but here and in that first statement you show you do not."

I know what a hyperbole is, but you constantly keep saying how the world would turn to shit without white people and how no contributions would be made without them. If you're going to keep using the "hyperbole" as your excuse then you're going to need to drop your core argument.

"So was Hitler's Germany. Does it mean it was civilized, or a good place to live?"
Base on this logic no country during that era was civilized. The US was still hanging black people as if it was a hobby. The UK, Netherlands, and France were committing all types of atrocities in Africa that go against all of our current international laws. The Japanese were killing and raping people throughout Asia, and Stalin was massacring his own citizens just because he could.

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"plenty of white countries are just as young, and are still light years ahead of those African ones."
Which ones? And do they have the same history of being exploited by European and American countries for their resources?

"Even if we only look at the economical aspect, any non-white country that is economically advanced, still uses European business models."
What can I say. Capitalism is the best system that we currently have for economic growth.

"at this point I don't know if you are just playing dumb, or you get some joy out of me explaining the same stuff to you 10 times over."
But am I wrong? Were you not jerking off to the accomplishments of white people before my arrival. It's a simple yes or no question.

"the issue is, we don't live in ancient times anymore."
I didn't know the British Empire was considered ancient time.

"Expecting some shitkickers who bash each others heads with rocks in the 21st century to come up with any new revolutionary technology is like waiting for a dog to lay an egg, it's just never going to happen."
I'm pretty sure American slave owners said the same about Black Americans. And then this same group went on to contribute massively to society in a matter of several generations.

"only Japan is safer, South Korea is on the level of many European countries as well as Australia,"
I love how you cherry pick the same 4-5 "white countries". If white countries are truly superior to all others, then you should have no problems including "ALL WHITE COUNTRIES" not just the same 5. The mere fact you refuse to talk about East Europe is evident you're aware your argument is trash.

"Except not everybody gets this, and certainly not some third world shitholes who go to war on a daily basis "
Apparently, everyone DOES get it because while there are conflicts and civil wars going on, (your beloved European countries are in some of those conflicts) there are no majors wars going on between any two countries and their government.

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This discussion is getting redundant. You have not proven any of your arguments. You have FAILED to showcase why the world would suddenly stop innovating because of the disappearance of a single group. You have FAILED to prove that the human race will die without white people and you have FAILED to prove that white countries, in general, are superior to non-white countries.

I gave you an ultimatum earlier to either concede or provide proof and you have not done either. All you have done is spout the same rhetoric that is no different from what a white supremacist would preach.

So with the power vested in me, I'm going to officially put this discussion to rest by ACCEPTING YOUR CONCESSION.

CONCESSION ACCEPTED. :)

[Opinion Owner]

@Starrk So do you need me to debunk this last pile of crap you wrote, or will you stop replying? Your last message confuses me. Cause writing these long ass messages takes quite a bit of time, if you are not going to read it, I'd prefer not to waste my time

[Anonymous]

Girls in America go for white guys more. I know because I am one.

[Anonymous]

wow you're racist we won't die out and that's clear racism right there racist

[RealityCheck4Ya]

You're clueless.

[WalmartFlipFlop]

Why do I smell so much insecurity on this post?