In general men are naturally born with better STEM abilities than woman - if they fail to enter college - they are either the minority expression or they aren't trying as hard as the woman less intelligent than them who get accepted because they worked harder.
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I'm not sure I follow your STEM argument here. There are currently huge incentives, financial and otherwise, for female students to go to college and enroll in STEM subjects, simply because they are underrepresented there. Why would you support that and yet not advocate for the same support for males who are underrepresented in college in general?
You do realize how expensive college is? Many can't afford it and don't want to take on that kind of debt. Girls get more scholarships so they don't have to worry about costs like most guys do. Also schools are set up for girls success more than guys. Read the article I attached. Women also tend to drop out of college at higher rates because colleges tend to favor men a little more, since they are built more around tests. www.google.com/.../&ved=2ahUKEwjY_7CO-YTlAhUNsJ4KHc0RDWAQFjABegQICBAI&usg=AOvVaw3ZDNksdPtfVedcsyBG51j4&cf=1
If women are not as good as men, why do they then get affirmative action help and take away spots from men , who, in your words , are better at it? And how is AA not condescending to women.
@NeoKing I got into the best school in Canada and got all A's in my last 3 years. I know people way smarter than me who flunked out cause they were lazy.
I hope you realize that just because someone goes to college, doesn’t automatically make them “intelligent”. There’s a difference between book smarts and street smarts.
Yes. Discriminate solely on the basis of grades, SAT scores and reputation. Mostly you'll get Indians and East Asians.. Time for us Whiteys to step up and compete.
See this isn’t really that bad. Girls themselves love men as a whole. So if men get in really bad trouble and more women have power and stuff they’ll help guys. There’s no need to make this a gender vs gender thing. Also more men go into trades and stuff, college isn’t the only thing to do.
wow.. the whole society is build towards women.. now that men don't fit anymors, this should happen? patriarchy needs to come back, right now. women can't handle this situation, nor stop us from changing it!
Nope. You made your beds, now we're going to make you sleep in it until you want to kill yourselves. The moment women can earn more than a man, most men will stop working altogether and let the woman carry the burden.
thats a nice thought but it's never gunna happen. Just as planned, the balance will be perfect, women getting all the handouts and being ferried to the top with men struggling and grasping at tree roots.
And so it shall remain until we find an actual solution. IMPREGNATE EM ALL when one baby comes out PUT ANOTHER IN EM
basically if we eliminate birth control the natural order will return
Affirmative Action caused a lot of this mess. More of it isn't going to fix it. Government needs to get out of shoving students into colleges who didn't earn their way there.
I don't think there should be any affirmative action, I think it should be based purely on merit, but I can also understand that there will always be some bias in one direction or another.
Affirmative action was never about equality, it was about taking away white men's stuff and giving it to other people.
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I don't believe that; it was really about getting more students in underrepresented demographic categories into college, and it worked.
But now that it is males who are underrepresented in college, everyone seems fine with the status quo where women are still the ones given the advantage.
I have read A LOT about this and its amazing to me the arguments that feminist groups come up with to support the status quo now that it is working so strongly in favor of women and against men.
They STILL have affirmative action on the ONE course that women don't dominate (Engineering) but they never bother trying to quota more men into the endless female dominated fields.
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if it's good for black people and women it's good for men too
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In general men are naturally born with better STEM abilities than woman - if they fail to enter college - they are either the minority expression or they aren't trying as hard as the woman less intelligent than them who get accepted because they worked harder.
I'm not sure I follow your STEM argument here. There are currently huge incentives, financial and otherwise, for female students to go to college and enroll in STEM subjects, simply because they are underrepresented there. Why would you support that and yet not advocate for the same support for males who are underrepresented in college in general?
You do realize how expensive college is? Many can't afford it and don't want to take on that kind of debt. Girls get more scholarships so they don't have to worry about costs like most guys do. Also schools are set up for girls success more than guys. Read the article I attached. Women also tend to drop out of college at higher rates because colleges tend to favor men a little more, since they are built more around tests.
www.google.com/.../&ved=2ahUKEwjY_7CO-YTlAhUNsJ4KHc0RDWAQFjABegQICBAI&usg=AOvVaw3ZDNksdPtfVedcsyBG51j4&cf=1
If women are not as good as men, why do they then get affirmative action help and take away spots from men , who, in your words , are better at it?
And how is AA not condescending to women.
You sound like you have a lot of internalized issues, lady. Work on that.
@NeoKing I got into the best school in Canada and got all A's in my last 3 years. I know people way smarter than me who flunked out cause they were lazy.
I hope you realize that just because someone goes to college, doesn’t automatically make them “intelligent”. There’s a difference between book smarts and street smarts.
Yes, either affirmative action for everyone or no one will solve the issue
I think it would be fair to institute it for males until enrollment rates even out, then end it for everyone.
But alas I doubt it will happen, no one cares about Americans after all 🙄
Yes. Discriminate solely on the basis of grades, SAT scores and reputation.
Mostly you'll get Indians and East Asians.. Time for us Whiteys to step up and compete.
YES, we should institute affirmative action for male applicants to college
See this isn’t really that bad. Girls themselves love men as a whole. So if men get in really bad trouble and more women have power and stuff they’ll help guys. There’s no need to make this a gender vs gender thing. Also more men go into trades and stuff, college isn’t the only thing to do.
wow.. the whole society is build towards women.. now that men don't fit anymors, this should happen? patriarchy needs to come back, right now. women can't handle this situation, nor stop us from changing it!
Institute it only for WHITE males
I'd really like to have some of this "White Privilege" I keep hearing about
This is not a race issue; t's an issue of sexism.
Then NO
Why? You are OK with sexism against men?
Nope. You made your beds, now we're going to make you sleep in it until you want to kill yourselves. The moment women can earn more than a man, most men will stop working altogether and let the woman carry the burden.
thats a nice thought but it's never gunna happen. Just as planned, the balance will be perfect, women getting all the handouts and being ferried to the top with men struggling and grasping at tree roots.
And so it shall remain until we find an actual solution. IMPREGNATE EM ALL when one baby comes out PUT ANOTHER IN EM
basically if we eliminate birth control the natural order will return
An affirmative action to overcome previous affirmative actions just doesn't make sense why not just remove some of the previous policies?
Affirmative Action caused a lot of this mess. More of it isn't going to fix it. Government needs to get out of shoving students into colleges who didn't earn their way there.
Is it time for dumb questions to stop being asked on GaG?
You first. Stop posting childish stuff like this.
Ladies, what is your VagFax? ↗
Uh... sure, man.
You and I both know it's true. Unless of course you want to post a comment on that question and prove it's not you.
Lol what an incredibly weird thing to be worried about. Uh, okay, I guess.
I'm not worried in the least. Actually just enjoying exposing you.
I don't think there should be any affirmative action, I think it should be based purely on merit, but I can also understand that there will always be some bias in one direction or another.
I have a better idea. How about making colleges in general less anti-male?
In my university no of male students is more than female where as the country's male to female ratio have more females than males.
Affirmative action was never about equality, it was about taking away white men's stuff and giving it to other people.
I don't believe that; it was really about getting more students in underrepresented demographic categories into college, and it worked.
But now that it is males who are underrepresented in college, everyone seems fine with the status quo where women are still the ones given the advantage.
I have read A LOT about this and its amazing to me the arguments that feminist groups come up with to support the status quo now that it is working so strongly in favor of women and against men.
No bc males are already overrepresented in the top echelons of our society: ALL US presidents were men! Most CEOs are men.
Are you a feminist?
They STILL have affirmative action on the ONE course that women don't dominate (Engineering) but they never bother trying to quota more men into the endless female dominated fields.
if it's good for black people and women it's good for men too
No. Furthermore, all forms of affirmative action need to be removed.
We don't need affirmative action. Because it's already there. Women are benefiting from it. Just remove it, and things will get better by themselves.