Actually no. The latest ones acquired weapons even after having mental issues on their record. Yet they bought AR 15s and tons of ammo without concern. What a country.
You said they prob had the gun before mentally breaking. I’m saying investigators discovered gun purchases after they had mental issues or domestic violence issues on their record.
Mine was sarcasm, but yeah if asked by someone they trust, they might mention it. Also lots of them get labeled by the other kids well in advance, as they tend to be social rejects, by my understanding.
@SexyAshh again why would a crazy person go to physiatrists most of these people mental health isn't anything a psychiatrist can help. Majority of them are a loser in life with guns. They had no girl lived with their mom on drugs (we never know what they are taking). These people have a hate cult mindset. The world did me dirty so j don't care about myself. And if i don't care about myself why would i care about you. You can probably list on one hand rhe ones who had actual mental issues. The others not so much.
USA clarification: In the USA, a Psychologist studies primarily psychology and a psychiatrist studies primarily medicine. Typically, a psychologist would do diagnosis and therapy stuff, and a psychiatrist would prescribe medication.
"Plenty of countries abundance with guns" U mean a few of western countries? Coz in Asia, Africa, some parts of Europe Guns among civilians are not a normal thing. Only military personel and a few (for hobby) owns a gun. Mass shooting is never a problem in this places. Plus, bullying is also present in this places but rarely have cases of mass shootings. So I doubt Bullying have something to do with it. So It's obviously the people (Over sense of entitlement) and the gun culture is the problem.
@Factualman125 I agree this issue is mostly an American Problem. Tho, Americans are indenial of this fact. They got too much self entitlement that they ended up offended over everything. So Americans + Gund is never a good combination.
That must be why LTC holders are 1/5 as likely to commit crime as police officers and between 500,000-3,000,000 innocent lives are saved every year in America through the defensive use of firearms. And mass shootings only accounted for 296 deaths in 2019, and gun homicides have been on the decline for decades, despite what CNN wants you to think. On top of that, the mass shootings take place and are as bad as they are because of the addition of gun free zones not allowing civilians to carry and enclosing large amounts of defenseless people in a small space, the perfect target for an evil prick who wants to do damage. Does the constitution mean nothing to you? Oh right, you're not an American, so limited government control, power to the people, self defense, and freedom are all things you've never experienced and have a negative view of it shaped by leaders who will imprison you if you say something they don't like, I see.
@factualman125 If our culture is so in love with guns, and guns are so easy to buy, these mass shootings will continue. And every mass shooter is a law abiding gun owner up to the point he kills the first person.
@Rangers What did I say that wasn’t factual? We have a gun culture. Guns are available to anyone at gun shows with limited regulation. You don’t think that affects gun violence?
@OddBeMe Statistically, making guns available to law abiding citizens has far more positives than negatives. Everything you said wasn't factual and in fact is the inverse of the truth
@Rangers There’s a problem with your pretty infographic. They’re not factoring how many actually own guns. Only a small percentage of Americans make up the majority of gun ownership. Because they have stockpiles. I’m guessing you’re one of them.
@OddBeMe So what? There's absolutely nothing wrong with people owning plenty of guns, after all, we've only got two hands anyways, and how many guns I own is none of your fucking business. Sure, discount a study done by CDC for baseless claims made by a school run by leftists
@Rangers I don’t really have a problem with you owning a lot of guns. But the point is right wingers skew facts by saying there’s so many guns in society. Yeah, but only by a small amount of owners. It’s how easy they are to buy that concerns me. Don’t you think we should make it harder for crazy people and domestic abusers?
@OddBeMe It already is hard, and they'll get them regardless, so I'd rather allow citizens to arm themselves if and when those people try to hurt them. @Factualman125 Those unequivocally lead to gun confiscation exclusively from law abiding citizens, as such, that's a horrible idea.
@Rangers Except all the mass shootings have been by guys who bought guns legally. Shouldn’t we put some safety laws in place to keep guns out of the hands of mentally disturbed, domestic violence prone or on the terrorist watch list?
@OddBeMe We already do, but to the surprise of only liberals such as yourself, criminals don't follow laws and won't magically be stopped by a sign that says you'll be charged with a felony if you walk past it with a gun, they'll walk right through and shoot into a crowd of unarmed people known as soft targets.
@Rangers So domestic abusers can’t get guns? Those on terrorist watch list? Gun show loop holes closed? Cuz I’m pretty sure these problems still exist.
@OddBeMe Domestic abusers can't get guns, the no fly list is currently exempt because you can be placed there for any or no reason at all. And as for the so called loophole, you Democrats have only widened it by closing FFL dealer's bank accounts, having the ATF illegally take photos of 4473 forms during compliance checks (that's a violation of our right to privacy and it's an attempt to create a backdoor gun registry), taxing them to absolute hell and incentivizing them to just take a good look at you and judge whether you're cool or not and sell it to you without a background check. It's against the law for an FFL dealer to sell a firearm to someone without conducting a background check first, but by restricting buyers to cash by shutting down the bank accounts of FFL dealers, preventing them from making payment through cards, increasing the tax to 28%, and violating the privacy of buyers and again, committing a federal crime by illegally taking photos of 4473 forms of dealers, you've incentivized dealers not to conduct a background check before selling their guns. I support dealers who are doing this because what democrats are doing is unacceptable and they're undeniably trying to prevent law abiding citizens from getting guns and this is the "fuck you" to them because now they don't get their free money through taxes the ATF doesn't get the 4473 forms to illegally and unconstitutionally create a backdoor gun registration.
That complete BS. Abusers get guns all the time. Don’t know about ffl dealers, but I’ll take your word for it. But what’s wrong with a gun registry? The government ain’t ever gonna take 300 mil guns. But shouldn’t I know if my neighbor has a magnum?
@OddBeMe Gun registry unequivocally leads to door to door confiscation. And absolutely not, their private property is absolutely none of your business and you have no right to know what they have and don't have. by the way, it's called a revolver
Bullies may be a factor in pushing them over the edge. As can anything from family issues to not getting laid. The sole blame lies with the shooter, it was their actions that caused harm the most b
There will always be bullies and death. But that’s not what this is about, this is about who is to blame for a mass shooting. That person will always be the shooter themself.
True. But again, that’s not what this is about. This is, again, who is to blame for the shooting. That’s it, no one else. No amount of bullying can force someone to mass murder, unless the bully themself physically forces the shooter to actually shoot his victims.
" no amount of bullying can force someone to mass murder "
I'm sorry to say your wrong there have been instances of mass shootings caused by bullying
A girl was bullied so badly she wrote on some website that she's gonna shoot up the school (luckily authorities were able to respond )
In the moment of pain and agony our minds can sometimes make us do poor decisions
But are we really the judge for their pain , some people can survive depression others can't take it and then kill themselves
That's why this torture and bullying is so dangerous , it can sometimes create a monster that hurts people who have nothing to do with their sufferings
We can just simply dismiss this issue for being labelled " it was his decision and he's evil "
If it's that way we can never stop mass shootings
We need to see through the perspective of the shooter
Why does he do it and what satisfaction does he get from that ? Only then can we stop this madness
I'm also aware that some mass shooters use this bullying as an excuse for their crimes.
But then again there have been false accusations of rape , does that mean we should dismiss all rapes as false?
Caused, yes. But indirectly. Same with every other cause out there, from not getting laid to getting laid off. We won’t stop mass shootings, that is no longer an option on the table. Even if all firearms are banned, smuggling will happen and desperate people will get them or other weapons to cause mass death. It is impossible to stop every possible thing from happening that could lead to a mass shooting. But again, who’s to blame for those deaths? The jackass who bullies people, or the one who pulled the trigger? Saying anything otherwise is nonsense.
No matter how much one is bullied, it matters not. The bully doesn’t pull the trigger. The bully isn’t forcing the shooter to do anything. The bully may even end up a victim because of the SHOOTERS choices. Key word, choice. The shooter is choosing to kill innocent people, and maybe a bully or two at best.
Or perhaps, if an incel goes on a killing spree because girls won’t date him. It’s happened before. Are you saying the girls should be partly to blame for the killings? If not, you’re showing a glaring double standard. If yes, you need to re-evaluate your thought process.
Now what’s the metric for that? Just rejection in a normal way could be seen by him as public humiliation. That too, has happened, and gotten people killed.
Except, the issue is, what the bully does or doesn’t do is irrelevant. The basic fact is the bully didn’t force him to pull the trigger on innocent people. The SHOOTER did. If he just wanted revenge on his tormentors that would be one thing. But how do you give blame to a bully for the choices of the shooter? For when the shooter targets people indiscriminately? That makes no sense. You would literally be blaming the victim.
Ah but the thing I forgot to mention here's the thing the school system is pretty horrible at handling bullies
You heard of the crazy stories of how the the victim of bullying get suspended instead of the bully himself
A gag user ( she was anon ) had personal experience where her brother was bullied ( pushed down the stairs ) and what did the principal say
"Boys will be boys " that's the principal's response
With the school basically punishes the boy for fighting back bullies , how do you expect people to not go insane
And then the school blames it on video games
So yea school and bullies have a small catalyst to the shootings
You also need to understand that there have been girls who post on the internet saying " did this ugly guy actually come up to me and think I was going to date him? Ugh so gross "
But yes incels like Elliot Roger have over exaggerated the rejection
That one was completely on him , incel crimes are completely on themselves
And shooters like Nikolaus Cruz and Dylan roof are definitely responsible for their crimes , no sympathy needed for those kinds of shooters
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I usually blamed the awful mental healthcare system and the bullies.
NO GUN EVER WOKE UP ONE MORNING AND THOUGHT... LET'S GO KILL SMEONE TODAY.
US gun laws because most mass shootings happens in US..
i'm always curious why people think banning guns would fix the problem. What good did it do when they banned alcohol to fix that problem?
Obviously the shooter, the gun can’t do anything with out the shooter and bullies definitely have a part in this
The bullet, lolololol, A weapon on its own does nothing if it is not loaded
I don't think it's the guns or the people although they have that choice but when I click u click.
So it’s not the guns or the people responsible for gun deaths. Is it god?
Not God just the person's mentality breaking.
Agreed. If we only had some way of keeping that broken person from buying a fire arm the problems solved.
But they probably had the gun before that happened
Actually no. The latest ones acquired weapons even after having mental issues on their record. Yet they bought AR 15s and tons of ammo without concern. What a country.
Not what I said but ok
You said they prob had the gun before mentally breaking. I’m saying investigators discovered gun purchases after they had mental issues or domestic violence issues on their record.
The unchecked mental health of the shooter.
How do check someones mental health
vibe check
@0oGreyo0 ask them obviously
I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not
Mine was sarcasm, but yeah if asked by someone they trust, they might mention it.
Also lots of them get labeled by the other kids well in advance, as they tend to be social rejects, by my understanding.
You go to a physchiatrist. Dont be ignorant. Clearly you know nothing of mental health, eduacate yourself or dont comment on my post at all.
@SexyAshh again why would a crazy person go to physiatrists most of these people mental health isn't anything a psychiatrist can help.
Majority of them are a loser in life with guns. They had no girl lived with their mom on drugs (we never know what they are taking). These people have a hate cult mindset. The world did me dirty so j don't care about myself. And if i don't care about myself why would i care about you.
You can probably list on one hand rhe ones who had actual mental issues. The others not so much.
USA clarification:
In the USA, a Psychologist studies primarily psychology and a psychiatrist studies primarily medicine. Typically, a psychologist would do diagnosis and therapy stuff, and a psychiatrist would prescribe medication.
@Boppy thank you.
No further explaining, figure it out yourself or argue elsewhere.
The shooter did it. Shooter gets the fault
I blame Trump!! lol jk
I’d say his rhetoric is to blame for El Paso shooting. But I’m not for censorship.
@OddBeMe Everybody blames Trump for everything
If everyone around you doesn’t like you, it may be you.
The industrial revolution and its consequences
Have given us porn and video games. Don't complain.
Precisely my point, ahahaha
It's the society in general but also the shooter
The shooter.
Plus Gun Culture of America is causing backfire to them.
Some Americans jack off to their guns don’t they?
@OddBeMe so what I haven't killed anyone or have a desire to do so
I love guns but I frankly don't have the money and I don't like owning one
There are plenty of countries with an abundance of guns and where are the mass shooting
It's mostly an American problem
"Plenty of countries abundance with guns" U mean a few of western countries? Coz in Asia, Africa, some parts of Europe Guns among civilians are not a normal thing. Only military personel and a few (for hobby) owns a gun. Mass shooting is never a problem in this places.
Plus, bullying is also present in this places but rarely have cases of mass shootings. So I doubt Bullying have something to do with it. So It's obviously the people (Over sense of entitlement) and the gun culture is the problem.
@Factualman125 I agree this issue is mostly an American Problem. Tho, Americans are indenial of this fact. They got too much self entitlement that they ended up offended over everything. So Americans + Gund is never a good combination.
Oh bullying and the schools lack of discipline can be a perfect candidate for school shootings
I once say a girl write in a website that she's gonna shoot up the school because she can't take it
Likely authorities were able to stop it
But yes entitlement is also a major cause of it
That must be why LTC holders are 1/5 as likely to commit crime as police officers and between 500,000-3,000,000 innocent lives are saved every year in America through the defensive use of firearms. And mass shootings only accounted for 296 deaths in 2019, and gun homicides have been on the decline for decades, despite what CNN wants you to think. On top of that, the mass shootings take place and are as bad as they are because of the addition of gun free zones not allowing civilians to carry and enclosing large amounts of defenseless people in a small space, the perfect target for an evil prick who wants to do damage. Does the constitution mean nothing to you? Oh right, you're not an American, so limited government control, power to the people, self defense, and freedom are all things you've never experienced and have a negative view of it shaped by leaders who will imprison you if you say something they don't like, I see.
@factualman125 If our culture is so in love with guns, and guns are so easy to buy, these mass shootings will continue. And every mass shooter is a law abiding gun owner up to the point he kills the first person.
@OddBeMe I know that as a liberal, you're scared of facts, but you're a bit out of control
@Rangers What did I say that wasn’t factual? We have a gun culture. Guns are available to anyone at gun shows with limited regulation. You don’t think that affects gun violence?
@OddBeMe Statistically, making guns available to law abiding citizens has far more positives than negatives. Everything you said wasn't factual and in fact is the inverse of the truth
@Rangers Great! Please list the stats from their sources.
https://americangunfacts.com/
@Factualman125 All mass shooters prob said the same thing. And they were all law abiding citizens the moment before they pulled the trigger.
@Rangers There’s a problem with your pretty infographic. They’re not factoring how many actually own guns. Only a small percentage of Americans make up the majority of gun ownership. Because they have stockpiles. I’m guessing you’re one of them.
@Rangers Here’s an actual link to the Harvard Study. Guess what? You graphic 100% wrong
www.hsph.harvard.edu/.../
@OddBeMe I agree.
Use CDC, Harvard is under leftist control🙄🙄🙄
@OddBeMe So what? There's absolutely nothing wrong with people owning plenty of guns, after all, we've only got two hands anyways, and how many guns I own is none of your fucking business. Sure, discount a study done by CDC for baseless claims made by a school run by leftists
@Rangers Did you read the source of your American gun facts pictogram?
@Rangers I don’t really have a problem with you owning a lot of guns. But the point is right wingers skew facts by saying there’s so many guns in society. Yeah, but only by a small amount of owners. It’s how easy they are to buy that concerns me. Don’t you think we should make it harder for crazy people and domestic abusers?
@OddBeMe we should that's why we need license and registration
Also psychological evaluation
@OddBeMe It already is hard, and they'll get them regardless, so I'd rather allow citizens to arm themselves if and when those people try to hurt them.
@Factualman125 Those unequivocally lead to gun confiscation exclusively from law abiding citizens, as such, that's a horrible idea.
@Rangers Except all the mass shootings have been by guys who bought guns legally. Shouldn’t we put some safety laws in place to keep guns out of the hands of mentally disturbed, domestic violence prone or on the terrorist watch list?
@OddBeMe We already do, but to the surprise of only liberals such as yourself, criminals don't follow laws and won't magically be stopped by a sign that says you'll be charged with a felony if you walk past it with a gun, they'll walk right through and shoot into a crowd of unarmed people known as soft targets.
@Rangers So domestic abusers can’t get guns? Those on terrorist watch list? Gun show loop holes closed? Cuz I’m pretty sure these problems still exist.
@OddBeMe Domestic abusers can't get guns, the no fly list is currently exempt because you can be placed there for any or no reason at all. And as for the so called loophole, you Democrats have only widened it by closing FFL dealer's bank accounts, having the ATF illegally take photos of 4473 forms during compliance checks (that's a violation of our right to privacy and it's an attempt to create a backdoor gun registry), taxing them to absolute hell and incentivizing them to just take a good look at you and judge whether you're cool or not and sell it to you without a background check. It's against the law for an FFL dealer to sell a firearm to someone without conducting a background check first, but by restricting buyers to cash by shutting down the bank accounts of FFL dealers, preventing them from making payment through cards, increasing the tax to 28%, and violating the privacy of buyers and again, committing a federal crime by illegally taking photos of 4473 forms of dealers, you've incentivized dealers not to conduct a background check before selling their guns. I support dealers who are doing this because what democrats are doing is unacceptable and they're undeniably trying to prevent law abiding citizens from getting guns and this is the "fuck you" to them because now they don't get their free money through taxes the ATF doesn't get the 4473 forms to illegally and unconstitutionally create a backdoor gun registration.
That complete BS. Abusers get guns all the time. Don’t know about ffl dealers, but I’ll take your word for it. But what’s wrong with a gun registry? The government ain’t ever gonna take 300 mil guns. But shouldn’t I know if my neighbor has a magnum?
@OddBeMe Gun registry unequivocally leads to door to door confiscation. And absolutely not, their private property is absolutely none of your business and you have no right to know what they have and don't have. by the way, it's called a revolver
@Rangers Does car registration lead to door to door car confiscation?
@OddBeMe Without fail, yes, everytime, they even admitted it was their plan.
@Rangers Governments don’t repossess cars dumbass. Companies with liens do.
The shooter
What about the bullies? We can't rule them out
@Thefinisher11 agreed
Bullies may be a factor in pushing them over the edge. As can anything from family issues to not getting laid. The sole blame lies with the shooter, it was their actions that caused harm the most b
Unfortunately because of one of the "victim" the rest of kids have to suffer
I can guarantee you even if there was no school shootings , the bullying and suicides will take care of the body count
There will always be bullies and death. But that’s not what this is about, this is about who is to blame for a mass shooting. That person will always be the shooter themself.
True he's the main villian and we also have to keep in mind he might not be the only bad guy
True. But again, that’s not what this is about. This is, again, who is to blame for the shooting. That’s it, no one else. No amount of bullying can force someone to mass murder, unless the bully themself physically forces the shooter to actually shoot his victims.
" no amount of bullying can force someone to mass murder "
I'm sorry to say your wrong there have been instances of mass shootings caused by bullying
A girl was bullied so badly she wrote on some website that she's gonna shoot up the school (luckily authorities were able to respond )
In the moment of pain and agony our minds can sometimes make us do poor decisions
But are we really the judge for their pain , some people can survive depression others can't take it and then kill themselves
That's why this torture and bullying is so dangerous , it can sometimes create a monster that hurts people who have nothing to do with their sufferings
We can just simply dismiss this issue for being labelled " it was his decision and he's evil "
If it's that way we can never stop mass shootings
We need to see through the perspective of the shooter
Why does he do it and what satisfaction does he get from that ? Only then can we stop this madness
I'm also aware that some mass shooters use this bullying as an excuse for their crimes.
But then again there have been false accusations of rape , does that mean we should dismiss all rapes as false?
No we should not
Caused, yes. But indirectly. Same with every other cause out there, from not getting laid to getting laid off.
We won’t stop mass shootings, that is no longer an option on the table. Even if all firearms are banned, smuggling will happen and desperate people will get them or other weapons to cause mass death. It is impossible to stop every possible thing from happening that could lead to a mass shooting. But again, who’s to blame for those deaths? The jackass who bullies people, or the one who pulled the trigger? Saying anything otherwise is nonsense.
No matter how much one is bullied, it matters not. The bully doesn’t pull the trigger. The bully isn’t forcing the shooter to do anything. The bully may even end up a victim because of the SHOOTERS choices. Key word, choice. The shooter is choosing to kill innocent people, and maybe a bully or two at best.
Or perhaps, if an incel goes on a killing spree because girls won’t date him. It’s happened before. Are you saying the girls should be partly to blame for the killings? If not, you’re showing a glaring double standard. If yes, you need to re-evaluate your thought process.
Only If the girl goes her way to absolutely humiliating him in front of others
instead of rejecting him with a simple "no"
But it's still no excuse to kill people that one I agree
I agree that about 90 or 95 to 98 percent of the blame should be on the shooters sole decision to kill people
But honestly I would still say that the bully at least played a hand in such creation , he would deserve the bullet as much as the shooter himself
I'm not trying to excuse , accept or sympathise with the shooter
I just want to see both sides of the problem
Now what’s the metric for that? Just rejection in a normal way could be seen by him as public humiliation. That too, has happened, and gotten people killed.
Except, the issue is, what the bully does or doesn’t do is irrelevant. The basic fact is the bully didn’t force him to pull the trigger on innocent people. The SHOOTER did. If he just wanted revenge on his tormentors that would be one thing. But how do you give blame to a bully for the choices of the shooter? For when the shooter targets people indiscriminately? That makes no sense. You would literally be blaming the victim.
Ah but the thing I forgot to mention here's the thing the school system is pretty horrible at handling bullies
You heard of the crazy stories of how the the victim of bullying get suspended instead of the bully himself
A gag user ( she was anon ) had personal experience where her brother was bullied ( pushed down the stairs ) and what did the principal say
"Boys will be boys " that's the principal's response
With the school basically punishes the boy for fighting back bullies , how do you expect people to not go insane
And then the school blames it on video games
So yea school and bullies have a small catalyst to the shootings
You also need to understand that there have been girls who post on the internet saying " did this ugly guy actually come up to me and think I was going to date him? Ugh so gross "
But yes incels like Elliot Roger have over exaggerated the rejection
That one was completely on him , incel crimes are completely on themselves
And shooters like Nikolaus Cruz and Dylan roof are definitely responsible for their crimes , no sympathy needed for those kinds of shooters
The perp.
Simples...
I blame the shooter and the bullies never the gun
With 3d printing it's unlikely we could ban guns if we tried
Women
Ok incel
Blame the shooter and Satan for enticing them.
I mixed between B and C
Society as a whole.