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Do you think that child support should be abolished?

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  • akihon
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    Well there are a few points to this.

    Firstly I find it infinitely amusing how many women say it's for the child and it's to protect the child, why is they are only so concerned about the well being of the child after the child has actually been born, if they are that concerned then why first off are the so willing to sleep with men they don't know that we'll and so willing to do it without effective contraception, of course women cannot be held accountable for their actions is why.

    Another thing that bothers me is this, the number of people who have said it's for the benefit of the child but not one response or opinion have I yet seen that states it should be accountable to either the parent paying the support or the courts, how many for example pay over 500 per month and there isn't any record of where that money goes.

    I personally then think this, if a woman gets pregnant and she names the father then first that father should be entitled to have a DNA test done to confirm he is the father, second if the mother wants to keep the child then she must involve the father early on so that he can decide if he's willing to actually be the father and if the parents aren't together then as much as the mother holds the right to terminate or adopt without any input of the father, this of course allows for those women who use the child as a weapon against the father, then the father should have the legal options to opt out, now of course if that happens then he loses any parental rights and responsibilities for the child.

    I also think this would equalise things such that the mother would then lose the ability to weaponise the child against the father.

    I also think that given there are enough green campaigners complaining about over population, that benefits related to children should stop outright, along with that a large information campaign launched by government to state that getting pregnant does not qualify for benefits. This would force girls to become more accountably for their actions and actually make them maybe think twice and instead keep their legs closed until they know the man better and know whether or not they actually want to start a family.

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  • jgokgotit
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    Not abolished, but it does need some major changes. As child support stands right now, it is too easy for the custodial parent (most cases mother) to misuse it. I've seen women use it to get nails done, go to spas and other nonsense other than for the child. There is no way for the father to prove this misuse and no means to prevent the mother from misusing it. We just have to trust and hope she does the right thing with the money. This needs to change. Child support payments should go into an account that is monitored by the family court. The court needs to establish a list of things the funds can be used for and maybe even what places it can be allowed at. To use those funds anywhere else without court approval could be punishable by the mother losing custody, lose the child support or even get locked up for fraud. Also, the penalties surrounding child support need to be altered so that the father who shows good faith but has difficulty maintaining the payments does not go to jail or lose their ability to get a passport, especially with this new real ID law going into effect. If the father falls behind on payments, he should prove that he is struggling to survive. If he proves this then he should not be locked up or condemned for it. However, if he is just shirking payments he should pay the consequences as is. Finally, the courts need to give some power to the noncustodial parent so the mother cannot keep the father from seeing their child. Visitation rights do not get enforced enough and it is too much hassle to go to court everytime baby mama is pissed and wants to hold the child ransom.

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  • MissGeorgia
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    You don't think both parents should to contribute to their child's security? Really? Is that how you would behave?

    My ex partner and I have a little boy, and at first I thought that i was never going to take any money from him. It was a moral thing, it was a pride thing... and i guess in some respects, I thought that as long as I wasn't taking money from my ex, he didn't have anything over me. I wanted things on my terms. That was part of it.
    Then I started to think that we may not be in dire need of that money, but why was I stopping my son from getting that little bit more than he needed. That little bit of extra security. I haven't asked for it, but i wish i had approached things differently from the start. I wasn't looking at it in the right way.

    I have always believed that if a guy doesn't want to be a father, and he has made that clear, it shouldn't be forced on him in any way.

    ... but if both parents want to be involved, then it should be a joint effort to be do everything they can do give that child the best that they can.

    Child support is paid by the parent earning the most money in most cases of joint custody, and in some circumstances, that is the woman.
    It's all part of co parenting. It's not a gender thing.

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    • TonyMetal_1986
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      The best thing that you both can do for your baby is staying together.

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    • MissGeorgia
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      @TonyMetal_1986 Not if you've become bad for each other. It's just unfair

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    • TonyMetal_1986
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      Bad in what means? Bad in a way that is impossible to fix? Or what?
      I believe that cheating is the only excuse for divorce, other than that, everything can be solved, of course if both wanted to solve it and they SHOULD cause that's what marriage is all about...

      Marriage ain't only to bring babies doe the world, marriage means you and your husband comes 1st than the babies, for the sake of your marriage and your baby fix things and stay together...

      Or never marry in the 1st place if you don't know what a marriage is, also accepting it's negatives before it's positives.

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    • MissGeorgia
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      @TonyMetal_1986 It's not always about being married.
      If your relationship becomes so toxic that it is physically draining for the both of you, you cannot keep your baby in that situation. It's only go to get worse.
      The best you do is separate as amicably as you can and figure out how you're going to move forward in the best possible way.

      With your point in terms of marriage, I don't think cheating is the worst thing someone can do. It's not an unresolvable situation on it's own.
      I would put domestic abuse up there as fair grounds for separation.
      However, not everything is black and white, It's rarely down to just one thing. It's many things that build up and cause whatever the tipping point is. It's never clack and white.

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    • nathanp97
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      If you have joint custody no one should pay child support. If one partner can't hold up their part of paying for the kids then they shouldn't have custody and just be glorified baby sitters. But I agree that if the father doesn't want the kid he shouldn't have to pay.

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    • TonyMetal_1986
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      @MissGeoriga, domestic abuse can be solved if the man loves his wife unlike cheating because if your husband slapped you, it's still him and there is no 3rd person, that's how i see things...

      Also a wife is able to know if her husband loves her or not and if she can forgives him or not if he beats not intentionally and if he's willing to fix himself.

      Why would a relationship becomes toxic? It'a because there is no real love, when you feel that you cannot live without your husband and he feels the same towards you than you both are forced to fix things and staying together...

      Nothing is impossible unless you take the easy path and the majority of couples these days prefers to take the easy way cause they have no appreciation for marriage and they lack the morals and values of it.

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    • MissGeorgia
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      @nathanp97 Access/Custody are not connected to child support.. They are two separate things. In the UK when I am ( I know there are different laws in the US) Child support is not mandatory. You either have to make an application for it or it is worked out between the two of you, but if you choose to neither, that's up to you. Both parents names are not required on the birth certificate. it is a choice... There was a stance started by a group called fathers4justice ( which is actually a really badly managed organisation) saying that fathers who don't have enough access to their children should refuse to pay child support, but that doesn't make any sense. That is a whole separate issue to be worked out on it's own. You aren't paying to see your kid. It's there to help put food on the table. That's why it's called child support in the first place.
      Child support is worked out by salary. If you've got one party who is a lawyer and one party who is shop assistant, and the shop assistant is the primary carer, that supported is most likely needed.

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    • nathanp97
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      If both parents share equal custody, why should anyone have to pay child support? You already pay your half when you look after the kid 50% of the time. If one can't afford to look after the kid without child support than they loose that responsibility tell they can. Also I'm Canadian not American.

      The group is right thought. Lots of times the court gives full custody to the mother and the father just gets 1 or 2 days a week if he is lucky. If he wants more he shouldn't have to pay, because she is withholding his kid, so he is withholding her money.

      In your example, the lawyer should be the primary care giver because he or she can likely afford the kid, while the other can't. And if it is 50/50 custody neither should pay child support.

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    • MissGeorgia
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      @nathanp97 Custody is worked out in the best interest of the child. Having the better job doesn't make you the most capable parent.
      Child support is also worked out in the best interests of the child.

      My little boy's dad sees him three times a week. He comes over one evening a week to put him to bed and he sees him both days at the weekend, and he is fine with that. It's whatever works.
      I don't ask him for CS, but if I lost custody of my son tomorrow for whatever reason, and his dad care of him, I'd make sure I paid towards making sure he was ok. It's just what you do.

      Different People see it in different ways ( in some cases based on their own experiences) I guess.

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    • nathanp97
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      Capability to look after a kid includes finance. If that works for him I don't have a problem with it.

      What I do have a problem with is when mothers get full custody because they are women, even though the father is the beter parent, and then they expect the father to pay for kids he never gets to see. And even worse than that is the mothers who spend as little as possible on the kids, so they can spend the rest on themselves. What should be done is set a cap of what the one paying child support will pay, and then give someone all the receipt and they pay half of it. It's more work, but it can prevent people from trying to get pregnant just to help pay the bills.

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    • TonyMetal_1986
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      @nathanp97 agreed with your last statement and that's a primary cause for why such women will be killed in a gruesome way and thrown like trash.

      I'd never follow such laws, a child belongs to the father and hold the name of the father and if the father cannot raise his child, the mother can have the baby and the father will pay as much as he can for his baby and can see his baby without any restriction and if the father can raise the baby, he will have his boy and the mother can see her child and if they agree 50/50 it's also okay...

      Personally i'm with fixing the parent's problems and make them stay together for their sake and for their baby's sake.

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    • MissGeorgia
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      +1 y

      @nathanp97 I do completely agree that Child support needs to be regulated and better managed so the it is used the way it should be.
      Parental alienation is abuse, and needs to be treated as such by law.

      I don't think we are going to agree on the case of who earns the most should automatically have primary custody, because Rapists are still allowed access to their children, but it doesn't mean that that child should live with them because they are perhaps earning more. Drug dealers can make a lot of money, but would you want one looking after your child, given all that it comes with?
      Everything has to be taken into account, but I get what you are saying.

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    • roland77
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      +1 y

      This was not the case with me. I earned lesser and had to pay for my daughter being with my ex-wife and a richer man than me. I had "Arbeitslosengeld 1" (unemployment money 1) which was considered as "earning to much" so I had to pay, normally. My parents took over that part but they demand from my ex-wife to see my daughter when they visit. Maybe it is okay to demand such thing?

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    • TonyMetal_1986
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      +1 y

      Also agree with you miss georgis about not letting a kid living with a drug dealer or rapist if his father was such a guy and surely not to be able to live with his mother if she'a a hoe or a crack addict or lack the traits of a real mother.

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    • MissGeorgia
      MissGeorgia
      +1 y

      @TonyMetal_1986 Absolutely. Anyone who is unfit or in any way a danger to their children should not be given Primary or sole custody.

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    • MissGeorgia
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      +1 y

      @roland77 I can't claim to know anything about divorce cases, and what happens when each person is trying to make a claim for something.
      Sometimes the courts can get it very wrong.

      It was a more than fair request from your parents, and I' m sorry to hear you were put in that position.

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    • roland77
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      +1 y

      @MissGeorgia Yes, that is a fair trade. Still I cannot see my daughter so often. I need a fixed regulation, like every 2nd weekend with me + Wednesday evening with me and rest to my ex-wife. Just an example.

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  • Stacie3
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    No.. child support is for the child.. regardless of if the father wanted the child it is still their child.. it takes 2 to make a baby.. and that child didn't ask to be here..
    If a mother doesn't want the child but the father does.. she can give the child to he father but she to will have to pay support..
    I do however think that the qay they calculate child support should be restructured..
    I don't care how much you make or who makes more.. the parent paying support should not have to pay any more then 1/2 of the childs expenses.. I know men who were ordered to pay over $600 a month for a single child. It does not cost $1200 a month to raise a child.
    I chose not to have the courts involved with child support.. it was more inportant to me that the father be a daddy then pay support.. we worked it out to benifit the child.. not me.. not him.. we co parented and wven tho my son is now 20yrs, his father, his new wife and I still attend our sons functions and get along as if we were old friends.

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    • Daniela1982
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      +1 y

      I agree that the amount paid in child support is sometimes ludicrous. You see celebs whose ex pay $5,000 or more a month for child support on top of alimony. But still, they should pay something but nothing at all? I don't see why a father can't do both - be a daddy and pay something towards their keep, unless the mother is making a ton of money and is well off ( I would call living with another man being well off ). The child would have more things and could go to college but without support it might be dicey. Another thing I think is unfair for a father paying child support is having to keep paying it when his ex is living with a new guy but won't get married because she will stop getting child support in most instances when she gets remarried. So a lot of things need to be changed with paying child support.

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  • razelove
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    No, alimony is the one that makes no sense, there should be a system like wic, fsa, or food stamps the same that there's a system in every state to collect child support to ensure that it can only be spent on the children however.

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  • MzAsh
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    No. It’s completely necessary in many cases.

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  • rtlm368
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    Abolished? No reformed yes. I pay taxes on all income so she the other parent its income so tax it. The other issue is i oay for myy son. But yet my ex has another child two years younger then my son she does not go after his father. Maily because it would be too embarrassing to haul three different guys in to get tested. I get my son every week. Amd soon je with be with me every other week the full week yet i will still have to pay because i make 60% more
    Maily because she only works part time as a school bus driver. She wants her summers off. Like a school kid. She is 45 going on 16. Anyway is ir my fault she is lazy and won't get a full time job. My sons brother whom i treat as mine and love him as much as my son get no child support nor has his father in his life. Im not his father he has none of my dna im him. I did a swab test just for my own peace at mind. Tje same with her older daughter. She said as ling as he leaves us alone i won't go after him for support. But sunce i wamt to be im my sons life she makes me pay. No problem i em responsible for my child always was and always will be. I know how it is not having a father in your life. So no ot should be revised.

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  • ObscuredBeyond
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    Reforms are definitely needed. The system as-is, is prone to all manner of abuse. And the worst abusers, are oftentimes the judges themselves. They don't act in accordance with actual law, the whole law, nor context of the situation. They instead act based on agendas, baseless opinions, "feelz," and use that to pick favorites.

    I know of one woman who was treated horribly by a judge in a family court. Granted, her ex-husband was a total creep and pervert, who was doing horrible things to her underaged daughter, including activities that involved watching some pretty nasty porn, from what she told me. Also, he totally cheated on her. Many times.

    But the judge decided to grant him more rights - and treat him with a lot more respect - in court. Why? Solely because the judge (and his attorney as well) were lesbians, and the woman fighting for sole custody rights of her daughter belonged to a church that doesn't recognize same-sex unions. Never mind that the family court case had *nothing to do* with homosexuality!

    The judge set out to punish the wronged ex-wife and child, and reward the creepy man. Why? Because unrelated gay causes. Period.

    That is a clear-cut case of judicial misconduct. Gay identity politics used to influence decisions in an unrelated case. Lack of fairness and impartiality.

    But this is what happens when you don't pay attention to whom you elect, or their history. They stack the courts with judges who don't deserve their jobs. Who, in some cases, should be hanged for their perversions of the justice system!

    Yet... judges are usually the last offenders to ever be held accountable. Since Marbury v. Madison, the fallacy has prevailed that judges are themselves somehow above the very law that they are to interpret cases according to. Which is why in this age, faith in the integrity of our courts has never been lower.

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  • englisc
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    I don't think so. The children shouldn't have to suffer because of the dumb decisions of their parents. The guys talking about a "financial abortion" are really degenerates looking to avoid responsibility of their actions. Regardless of whether it's "fair" or not that women can have abortions, if you'd see a child you created by choosing to have unprotected sex go without just because you didn't want the child, you're obviously a moron.

    The problem comes really when in certain areas men are expected to pay excessive amounts of child support, sometimes to the point where it ruins them financially as others have mentioned, and also that their rights to see their children aren't very well enforced.

    I think that the the thing that would need to change is fathers rights to see their children. Better protection from vindictive mothers who choose to use their children as a weapon against a the man. Especially if the man is doing all he can to make sure his children are provided for.

    If you look back, child support really came from the introduction of "The Tender Years Doctrine", which is default custody of the mother. Before this was put in place, in the case of divorce which was rare, because men were held financially responsible for the child the children would stay with him. After this was put in place, the children went to the mother but the man was still held responsible for financially providing for the children, therefore he paid child support.

    Originally because he was held fully responsible he was given the authority over them, while afterwards he was still held fully responsible without any authority at all. That's where the issues above stem from.

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  • standingUP
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    I have four children that I have had an obligation to pay child support for after the divorce. I see why it is setup and needed. I actually have no issue for that alone.
    However how the system is designed and carried out is absolutely ridiculous.

    During the marriage I was earning a lot of money which is what the base obligation dollar amount was set from. After the divorce the opportunity for growth was hindered. I needed a new place to live. She was awarded the house and kids. I was happy for all of them to stay comfortable. Soon after I was ordered to pay 65% of my earnings.
    I said 65% !
    This went on for over 14 years.
    I was unable to afford a small apartment for myself. I soon found myself living with family. In basements and no chance to prosper.
    My ex wife and kids moved away half a state away. Leaving the house to go into foreclosure. It was my responsibility to save it the bank requests. But the judge said I have no part in obtaining it. So it slipped away.
    15 years later 3 of the 4 kids are off child support one decides after 18yrs old to move in with me.
    So I am still supporting her everyday needs.
    I'm ok with that that's what parenting is suppose to be. however the system absolutely destroyed any chance of prospering. I see why people run from it.

    But I didn't.
    Everything happens for a reason and it's all God's money anyway and my kids where taken care of by me anyway, so all is cool.

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  • olderbutnotwiser
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    No but I have seen the system being abused..

    Perfect example is an old friend that split up with his ex who is to put it nicely a nutjob.

    He already gives a good chunk of his wage by law, this money isn't being used for what it is for so when he gets to see his girl he is also then spending the rest of his money to buy things that she hasn't been getting from the initial money and on top of that there is constant threats of give me money for this or that or ill make things more difficult for you.

    The poor guy is working every hour under the sun and living in a squat house with little to no furnishing trying to juggle things and keep seeing his daughter.

    So I think he should be able to spend the money himself rather than giving it straight to the mother then keep receipts to show the courts that he has infact spent £££ on his daughter and is contributing rather than the money going directly to the mother to spend it how she sees fit.

    Now im not saying this is how things always go 9/10 its civil and the money is used for the kid but there is always those few cases where the man is being fleeced and he can't do nothing about it as he is afraid of losing any visiting privileges' if he rocks the boat.

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  • ClosetHoe
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    No, but it should be changed. People abuse it all the time. Sometimes the mother doesn't even spend it on the child. She just uses it for herself. A lot of the time the guy is struggling to pay the child support. I also think that if a guy doesn't want to take care of a child he should be able to give up his parental rights. If women can have abortions so they won't have to take care of their child men should have the option to not take care of their kids too.

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    • Yep12345678
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      Thank you!

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    • roland77
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      My ex-wife is working as a massage woman and her friend (60+ years old) is a camera man for German #Bundesliga. They earn good money, while I had only some social money but was considered as "earning to much" so I had to pay, normally. My parents took over that part for me.

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  • Brokenheartedx
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    My father didn't pay child support to us growing up, it was hell for my mum having to raise 4 kids with no money, my mum couldn't work because she hurt her back falling down stairs when she was pregnant and never recovered. We relied on unbranded food from a church charity and used our granddads washing machine to wash clothes, imagine being 10 years old carrying black bags of clothes to be washed at someone else's house. Our father raised and paid for another kid that wasn't even his. My mum and dad were married he waited nearly 15 years to tell my mum he didn't want us and fked off. so for you to ask this and me being and expert on child poverty having lived it, I think all feckless fathers best get their hands in the pocket and pay up what is owed otherwise they are just a bastard and waste of space. Don't want kids get the snip so you don't need to pay. But don't ever drag your kids into living life poor.

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    • Daniela1982
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      Well why didn't your mom take him to court or have him thrown in jail for not paying support, especially seeing he was able to pay support for someone else's kid? It seems to me that somethings women don't seem to think they have a right to support or are too dumb to take the steps to get it.

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    • Brokenheartedx
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      @Daniela1982 in the late 80s or 90s thatcher years nobody had money to take people to court.. No support at all it was OK to beat hell out your kids, single mothers were still frowned upon and their fault marriage didn't work out etc. It's easy to judge when you haven't lived it yourself and to call people dumb which shows your lack of empathy and ignorance to today's single mothers

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    • Oram52
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      Why didn't courts force him, after all they knew where he was and not paying child support?

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    • Brokenheartedx
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      @Oram52 read comment I made to daniella

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    • Daniela1982
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      It's funny how women want to be treated well but take no responsibility to make sure it happens. It's easy to make excuses but if you have the options to change something and don't you can't blame anyone else for your problems. It's like they are saying, "It's okay, I'll just have to deal with it." And that is why deadbeat dads get away with not paying child support.

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    • Oram52
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      @Daniela1982 What would you have her mother do instead in the 80s? Taking him to court requires a lawyer, if you can't put food on the table where exactly was her mother suppose to find that money.

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    • Brokenheartedx
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      @Oram52 I now understand why ethnic minorities use the term white privilege, daniella seems to fall into that category of privilege, where she thinks she knows but knows jot

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    • Daniela1982
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      @Oram52 Well she won't find it by doing nothing either. There are lawyers who will work pro bono or charge you only if you get a judgement. If you are serious all you have to do is either look for the help you need or continue crying in your beer.

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    • Daniela1982
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      Well apparently more than you do as you are one of the ones who cries in her beer thinking nothing can be done. Maybe less time on GAG and more time researching laws pertaining to child support?

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    • Oram52
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      @Daniela1982 The lawyers working for judgement is recent thing. She's talking about 80s when economies were just starting to recover. Also its not much a lawyer is going to get from a child support case. Lawyers take payment after judgement cases only if they think they can get something in return not for charity. Laws regarding such issues were still lax.

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  • midnightmoon05
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    Some states are making sure both parents work and contribute. So suppose to be equal. But the one who makes more, contributes more. But the other parent still has to work.
    If one parent have been a stay home parent, they have to go back to work male or female.
    At the end, children need love and support. The best is when both parents separated, but come together with the heart and best intention to raise the kids with love for thier better future.
    I don't like that idea that only one parent pays more than 1/2 of their salary to the other who use children for the reason not be able to work.

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  • sejla
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    What would be the alternative?

    There is rarely custody situations were both parents have their child equal amounts of time and even if they do each have their child equal amounts of time there are shared bills for the child like medical expenses, school activities, clothing, etc.

    The person who pays child support is only paying half the expenses and to be honest usually less than the parent who has the child most of the time.

    Not having child support payments only works if both parents are diligent on their own about taking care of their child.

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    • xHeyUx
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      “The person who pays child support is only paying half the expenses”. Hmmm... this sounds fallacious to me. From what I have seen, child expenses are paid in proportion to parental income. Sometimes there are provisions that account for the time spent with each parent as well.

      Both parents are responsible for financial, emotional and physical support. Hopefully parents facing child support understand their responsibility to take of their children and don’t get too bogged down in what their ex is doing. Just make sure your kids are getting what they need to grow into decent human beings. You will reap the reward or that sacrifice, I promise you.

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    • sejla
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      @xHeyUx I don't know. My ex paid child support but I paid more in expenses that he did. The only way it would have been even is for me to rent an one bedroom apartment for both of us in a low rent area but that would have been unsafe. When we first were separated I lived in a subsidized apartment but there was a shooting in front of my apartment so I moved. In total he paid around $700 which included health insurance costs plus he was supposed to pay half of her medical bills but I never made him pay half. I figured we'd end up arguing about it even though it was court mandated.

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    • xHeyUx
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      It’s tough for sure. Lots of variables and savvy people divorcing who position you themselves to financially “win” the divorce. As you probably learned, support is typically tied to expenses at the time paperwork is filed. Until a better system is arrived at, one or both parents will continue to make sacrifices to improve the lives of their children (and yes, this happens for married couples as well). I commend the parents that can rise above the challenges and still focus on being a good parent to their kids.

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  • Daniela1982
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    Hell no! Have you any idea what it costs to raise a child from an infant to age 17? It's like $300,000. Why should one parent bear the full financial burden of raising a child when it took two to create said child? Why should one skate to go off and impregnate other women while the woman gives up most of her life to raise the child? And it can also be the dad, instead, having to foot the bill while the woman goes her merry way. It is the most preposterous idea I have ever heard - at least today so far. You want to play then be prepared to pay!

    Do you think that child support should be abolished?
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    • roland77
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      $ 300k? Sounds really a lot. I don't know how much it will take here in Germany.

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    • Daniela1982
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      Oh of course the lame ass down voter guys who live in Grandma's basement don't want to pay child support because they are worthless, shiftless dolts who only care about their dick and nothing else. They only worry about not having to wear a condom and getting off. So girls, you see what kind of lame men are on this site, especially these 3 down voters? Do you really want to have sex with any of them?

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    • roland77
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      Maybe you can let them speak for themselves and not interpret?

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    • roland77
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      No offense! I can understand your emotions for children a lot. I have a daughter and I love her a lot, too.

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    • RickPen
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      @roland77 $300k is a slight exaggeration. It's averaging around $260k from birth to age 18. This does not include college education costs to my knowledge.

      However, with the quickly rising cost of living in America, $300k is *not* far off (maybe a few years). Children are incredibly expensive. Birthing costs alone are all over the map. Some insurance covers all costs, and I've personally known people who saw nearly $20k in bills for a natural, non-epidural birth. The medical costs are probably the biggest factor in raising a child, and literally one mistake or sickness is enough to bankrupt a family here. Instead of fighting the for-profit medical system, we like to delude ourselves that our country is so much better for the imbalance.

      I'm rambling, but want to back up what @Daniela1982 said about cost. While I'd wish she'd chosen a little kinder wording, the point is equally valid that cost should be shared. The really sad part is that most parents aren't able to afford this burden, so there's government assistance, which shoves the cost burden to other taxpayers who can barely survive. America has a lovely, intentionally broken, system.

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    • roland77
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      @RickPen They also broke it here apart, more harsh in Greece. Our medical system is more for-profit as hospitals are German GmbH (similar to American Incorporation), e. g. https://www.helios-gesundheit.de/impressum/ . More and more doctors are drying up (not able to pay fees?) and close their clinics. Waiting rooms are getting fuller, other doctors do not accept new patients (happened to me). Maybe I see it over-rated but that is what I have notices so far.

      Privatizing medical care is definitely the wrong way. My Kenyan girlfriend told me that doctors in huge (and expensive) hospitals are corrupt and would cause you more suffers to ask more money from you to heal you again. Okay, maybe because corruption is widely "common" there?

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    • RickPen
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      @roland77 Oh, I've been a recipient of a doctor causing damage in order to bill more. Malpractice in the USA is rampant.
      Last year, I spent eleven of twelve months with severe vertigo. It was bad enough to require a trip to the ER, and I had to stop working. So I lost money, insurance, and was subjected to nearly $10k in tests, while the doctor refused to discuss a thing with me, and no diagnosis made. I was on the hook for the bill, while the doctor makes money for literally doing nothing.

      The best part was that it was a pinched nerve in my jaw (from stress and clenching) combined with pinching my spinal cord in the cervical (neck) area (also from stress) that caused the problem. One $50 visit to a chiropractor, and being away from that job long enough (being let go due to health reasons) culminated in the symptoms solving themselves.

      The medical doctors here are, in my opinion, useless, and only exist to profit off suffering while not solving it.

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    • roland77
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      @RickPen That is... very bad.

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    • Daniela1982
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      @RickPen Well you have to be an illegal in California to get your child birth expenses paid by the Taxpayers while citizens, like those you mention, go broke paying their own medical costs.

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    • Daniela1982
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      @RickPen Did you sue? I would have written so many bad reviews on that doctor and hospital on every site I could think of and complain to the Medical License Board or whoever was in charge of licensing these clowns. Also you should complain to your insurance company.

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    • RickPen
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      Yup, I filed complaints and reviews, contacted insurance, and got some legal advice. As it was described to me, it's classic case of charging for unecessary tests, but the bill is enforcable as the tests were performed. It's legal to do this, and somewhat common, though unethical. But what are ethics to a business? They exist solely for profit. I found plenty of other reviews from others in the same situation from this "dr."

      Cest le vie.

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  • DictumVeritas
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    Any spousal support in the form of money should be abolished. The father should pay directly for the child's needs on a per item basis and with the input of his own decisions about what is required and only within his means, as if he was still the live in dad. No money should have to be paid over to the mother to be apportioned as she wishes. This must go hand in hand with equal parental rights.

    The family court is comically skewed in favor of the women to the detriment of men all with the excuse of "In the best interest of the child."

    I personally think that a huge consideration in custody must be that the kids should go to the person who did not file for divorce. That means that the kids would end up with dad in about 80% of the cases because men aren't the modern home wreckers and amoral adulterers, women are.

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    • Dog20
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      Whoever doesn't agree with you doesn't believe in equal rights for women

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  • xHeyUx
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    Do you think parental involvement should be required for each parent, post divorce? Economic studies have correlated essentially unwanted children with higher criminal activities and lower economic outcomes. While I do not have a fully formulated thought on the matter, I’m wondering if each parent should be obligated to spend a minimum amount of quality time (how do you measure / quantify this?) with each of their children or provide a suitable surrogate parent to do so. ... I know, unorthodox idea, but I’m thinking that fixating solely on fiscal responsibilities is missing the larger picture.

    I understand divorced parents are sometimes frustrated by the size of court ordered payments, how they are actually used and the actual receipt of the payments ordered by the court. Financial stress can’t be good for anyone. The larger picture for children, I think, is feeling loved and having each parent there for them. Hopefully we don’t lose sight of that.

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  • ChronicThinker
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    No. If you father a child, you should have the basic human compassion to help care for that child.

    HOWEVER. Do I think child support costs should punish a man beyond his means to provide? No. I think the courts need to look at what a man makes and decide what he can pay feasibly to contribute to his child's life without completely ruining his own personal ability to survive. A father that works as a cash mule is not a father who can support and nurture a child affectively.

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    • nathanp97
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      So why can't a man have a financial abortion? Women can choose to be parents, why can't men?

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    • Yep12345678
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      @nathanp97 let's face it we have no rights when it comes to children.

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    • RickPen
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      Do you believe women should pay child support to the fathers who get child custody?

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    • meesegoMoo
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      @RickPen Yes. Both parents should contribute no matter who has custody. How many of you had deadbeat dads? All of you I'm guessing.

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    • RickPen
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      @meesegoMoo My initial question was meant for @ChronicThinker, but thanks for responding. I agree, both parents should share equal contributions, but that usually doesn't happen.

      My parents remained married until my dad's death. It was the worst decision, as my mom was a lunatic who tried to kill him in front of us. My dad was a POW and combat vet with severe PTSD. Neither of them was a good parent.

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    • Daniela1982
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      I agree with the ability to pay, but let's face it. A lot of fathers then work under the table so they don't have to pay their rightful share.

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    • nathanp97
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      Often because they pay to much to begin with, and you can't get away with that very easily. You have to work with a small company that is willing to do that. No large company will.

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    • ChronicThinker
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      Lol I pissed off everyone in this.

      Listen, finances and the ability to impose you will onto another person's body are two different things. You're literally comparing money to forcing a woman to have an abortion because you got her pregnant and don't want the child. That's what it boils down to. I don't really care if people find it offensive but I feel if you both create a baby, you're both responsible. Don't want kids? Use condoms. Use birth control.

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    • nathanp97
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      Exactly, both should be responsible for having the kid, but women aren't. Women get the option of having a kid, while a man has no choice once conception happens. If a women has the chance past that to choose to be a parent, why can't the father? When a women gets an abortion she takes away a man's chance at being a father, while if a man gets a financial abortion it just takes away some earnings potential for the future mother.

      And I'm not talking about forcing a woman to have an abortion. You should really check what financial abortion means. All it means is the father can refuse to pay for the kid and have any involvement in the kids life. He also can't change his mind down the road.

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    • meesegoMoo
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      @nathanp97 Can women abort 10 year olds? I spot a deadbeat.

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    • nathanp97
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      No, because it is living at that point. How am I a deadbeat? All I'm saying is men deserve freedom of choice too. It is called equality.

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    • RickPen
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      @ChronicThinker

      The imposition of will onto another person is a slippery slope, and I don't think worth the argument, as men have to deal with a pretty egregious human rights violation in the USA that women absolutely have choice over (including over their sons). I find that extremely unfair, as does most of the world.

      In my experiences, and based on some statistics, the USA economy seems biased against the worker, and toward business profits. Most people I know are already barely surviving without having children, and try to be responsible to have none. So the "millennial" generation has a much lower birthrate since the great depression. Simply put; the younger generation is monetarily incapable of caring for children, either directly or through child support.

      I argue the above is true due to economical issues, and absolutely not for lack of trying. I see young people as cash mules who can barely sustain themselves. I agree that people should use sense when having sex, but that our economy is legitimately hostile toward parents. I find the idea insane that a country would be so averse to supporting the next generation... which will keep the country alive. Instead, we survive mostly on immigration.

      I think it's a larger issue than simply forcing a parent to pay, but that is the current (as I see it, intentionally broken) system at large.

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    • Daniela1982
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      High five on that! But when I said that I got downvoted. :(

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  • jiffyjeff1029
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    Yes... to many women and some men leave the relationship and hurt the children because they have an easy out. To many people have kids simply to generate money for themselves. To many people milk the system because of all the handouts.


    Child support should be a 50/50 deal.
    If one parent works the other should work
    If one parent has to pay insurance cost the other should have to pay them to.
    The time with the children should be 50/50.


    If we had the original welfare that the bible talks about people would stay together and form a trusting relationship in order to raise children in wedlock. Abortions happen because people have unprotected sex and dont want children.

    If you play you pay

    Why buy the cow when the milk is free.


    This mentality has to stop.

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  • rjroy3
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    It should be changed, not abolished. A lot of deadbeats out there need to have their feet held to the fire. But the idea that a man is supposed to pay a court-ordered specific amount of money without respect to expenses for the child or his personal expenses. Solely being based on income and the current lifestyle of the child. That he's to pay this to the parent with no right to verify the money is going where it needs to or if there's leftover cash that could potentially carry over into the next month.

    That's bullshit. That's why I say the terms of child support should change fundamentally, but not abolished because the kid does need that income.

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  • LVbrando85
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    No I think CHILD SUPPORT should be just that... CHILD SUPPORT! If $600 a month is enough to supply clothes, food, and some of the fees for room and board for your child, along with some play money for enjoyment (Toys, snacks, outings etc.) then that should be the Extent of if. But to some of these women who marry men and are getting 10 times what is needed is kind of ridiculous lmao. Russell Simmons pays $40,000 a month! I'd have a baby for that much.

    For normal guys, I think if the father is actually a good father and is present in the Childs life (goes half on everything except rent) then he shouldn't have to pay any more than a couple hundred for unforeseen expenses. (field trips, doctors visits etc.)

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  • Uannoyme
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    Not abolished, but definitely changed. Child support shouldn't be a thing in cases of shared parenting, for instance. Often times, the parent that has the child a day or two less every week ends up paying child support, even though that parent also provides all the same stuff at their home as well. In most cases, it's something the government should stay out of.

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    • Primrose21
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      Coming from a country where government don't mind or not strict about child support. I tell you a lot of parents would dissapear faster than flash. You all peps are privelage to have stricter rules. If you dont want to pay child support then dont have kids or stock up piles of condoms. Easy.

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    • Uannoyme
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      @Primrose21 And my comment had to do with parents that haven't disappeared, but are right there taking care of their kids, so...

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    • roland77
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      Abuse must be stopped in such situations where the low-money part (not always the male, ha?) has to pay the child obligation and sees the child very rarely while the richer part (being with a new richer partner together) can see the child more often.

      An beside, for the child's psyche sake! Let him/her see both biological parents!

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  • btbc92
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    No, but it shouldn't be a free for all especially if it's proven that the woman or girl is at fault for knowing the sexual consequences. Like others have said and I personally know about this stuff, plenty of women abuse the system and play out men over the child and then manipulate the children too.

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  • Apple1996
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    No definitely not. Especially for the dads that dont even see their children. Like for real if we knew that dads could be able to provide things like diapers or clothes for the child then yeah sure get rid of it but you cannot expect a mother to pay for everything and also take care of the child.

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    • nathanp97
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      And you can't expect a man to pay for a kid he never wanted. If the women can choose to be a parent or not through abortion a man should be able to do the same through a financial abortion.

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    • Apple1996
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      @nathanp97 if a guy dont wanna be a dad then he shouldn't be cumming in a girl. Men choose to impregnate a women by doing that. Women aren't controlling there ovulation, they are choosing to get pregnant the same way guys are

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    • nathanp97
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      So you are pro-life than?

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    • Apple1996
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      @nathanp97 noo defo not. I almost aborted my son but kept him cuz his father wanted me to

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    • nathanp97
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      So then if a women doesn't want a kid she shouldn't let a guy come in her. She has a choice to, so why should she get an extra out that a guy doesn't have? That's just sexist.

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    • Apple1996
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      @nathanp97 cuz she's the one that has to sacrifices her life for the baby. Not just like her litterally life but everything for women gets put on hold. Men can live freely and don't have to worry about any real issues from having a child except money. I dont think someone's life and dreams is even comparable to money.

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    • nathanp97
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      Being tied to a kid you don't want isn't free. Fear of jail time if you can't or won't pay isn't free. If a women can't pay she gets government assistance, whiles the guy ends up behind bars. If you can't afford a kid don't have one. Obviously, most single moms can, so they should get an abortion, or try to survive with no assistance. If they can't than they lose their kid.

      It is basically child abuse to bring one into the world that you can't afford, especially when the father wants nothing to do with it.

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    • Apple1996
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      @nathanp97 I had my son at 17 and couldnt afford him. I really dont see anything wrong with it. I got on government assistance until his dad decided to step up and get a job to support us. Everything worked out fine and my kids and husband are both happy now. Some of us just need financial help sometimes and that is totally okay. People who have never been in the situation can't see how it really is so they dont understand all this stuff.

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    • nathanp97
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      I understand that you used other people's hard earned money to raise a kid that you couldn't on your own, when you had a choice not to.

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    • Apple1996
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      @nathanp97 I don't think money is valuable so yeah I really dont care that I used government assistance considering that's what it's there for. I shouldn't be getting judged considering there a tons of people that abuse it and stay on that shit forever. Like I used it and got off when I could afford too.

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    • nathanp97
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      Ya, but fi you chose not to have a kid you wouldn't have needed to take hard earned money away from other people. And I know people abuse it, but so did you by going on it when you had other options.

      If money isn't valuable then why did you take it. In the first place?

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    • Apple1996
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      @nathanp97 obviously cuz I needed the medical for my son. I wasn't gonna go through a pregnancy and have a child without insurance. I wasn't taking any money I was just on programs that helped me with medical and food

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    • xHeyUx
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      Here’s an interesting article that explains why a guy doesn’t always realize his exposure (girl impregnates herself after oral): www.google.com/.../

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    Rather than a check, i think you should have to buy that kid some groceries/toys/medicine/diapers etc and bring it to the house. Cause lets face it, a lot of the child support doesn't actually go towards supporting the child

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    • Daniela1982
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      Food, medicine, diapers, and groceries IS supporting a child. Those things are not given for free or growing on trees. These costs are what makes raising a small child so expensive. And they only get more expensive the older they get.

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    • ObscuredBeyond
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      This right here. And it's sickening that courts are stacked with crooks that demand zero accountability from everyone - except the man paying. Who can get thrown in jail for paying *too much*! Except, the amount can be changed on a whim, and he's not entitled to know! Which.. is ENTRAPMENT!

      Family courts are really anti-family courts. They have done more to destroy incentive to start families, or actually help struggling families remain intact, than any other force. They are supposed to be there to help families in need. Instead, they are all about destroying the family. And they are one reason that so many women face pressure to get involved with the abortion industry - which destroys women while pretending to help them.

      It's all one big, orchestrated racket. The only reason they won't allow your strategy to be implemented, is because it makes too much sense. After all: if the mother doesn't spend child support money on children, but on worthless things like tattoos and smokes, then CPS can build a case against her any time it wants to. And then those children can wind up in a foster home. As long as they're in one, CPS gets paid, per a measure signed into (f) law by Bill Clinton that has never been repealed (Congress refuses to repeal it.) Meaning, they don't care if the foster home is infinitely worse, as long as they get paid. If the children get sex trafficked later, they couldn't care less.

      They are exactly the subhumans that are condemned in no uncertain terms in Amos 5 - a book almost no one reads. Women who extort their exes for tattoo money and imagine these (anti) family courts to be their allies, are fools in the end.

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    • ObscuredBeyond
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      (To be continued...)

      Far too many of them eventually graduate to abusing painkillers, including opioids, in their arrogance. And then, the very system that let them revel in their extortions for so long, betrays them to the broken prison system. Where they may serve dead time after their sentences for any number of "reasons" and technicalities, facing endless abuse. And yet the courts will continue to extort the man she had them extort, when the grounds for that extortion are rendered hollow in her absence.

      It is like the felon "Rock" said to Dinesh D'Souza: "Real criminals get elected, or appointed as judges and prosecutors. Only morons go to jail. And everyone thinks they're the former, when they're the latter, until they get caught."

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    • KrakenAttackin
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      @Daniela1982 Yes, but how many whores spend the child support checks on booze, going out, clothes for the mom, their new boyfriends, and anything but the children.

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    • roland77
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      @Daniela1982 Let alone letting them go to higher schools. Also here in Germany you have buy your books. When I was at a high-level school, we had almost nothing to buy. The [public] school provided it (financed by taxes) and there was a signature required in the book that you take responsibility about it (returned damaged by you, you pay a new copy).

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    • Daniela1982
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      @KrakenAttackin Probably plenty. In those cases it is only hurting the children and those so called "mothers" should lose custody.

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    • KrakenAttackin
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      @Daniela1982 They should but they don't.

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  • bamesjond0069
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    Yes. In specific instances it may help but overall its very harmful. Having custody of the child is the benefit/priviledge. The parent who can best do that financially should have custody of the child. By forcing the non custodial parent to pay it causes a rift in the relationship that cannot be repaired many times. Also it causes more broken families. It incentivizes women to leave because they can safely assume they get kids and a check. Lastly, money is not the primary importance to children. Do they have food? Check. Roof over heads? Check. Clothes? Check. Well i can see $100 a month max... but how can you justify more than that? That's all going to moms expenses. Im a grown ass man and that as half would pay for most of my food and clothes. So im wondering wtf these kids doing like eating out at restaurants and wearing designer clothes? 🤣

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  • Anonymous
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    No. I believe men who aren’t in their child’s life or aren’t doing anything to help with his sees should be put on child support. I don’t believe a bitter bm should be able to put her bd on child support. Welfare forced me to put my bd on child support even though he was already paying me way more than they’d ever make him pay and is a great father so when it came time for court, he was gonna have to pay me $500 a month and $3000 in backpay... I no longer qualified for Medicaid for my daughter so when she was taken off, I turned it all down so they’d stay tf out my business.

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    • Anonymous
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      Seed* not sees

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  • leahzrc
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    well my mother didn't use it on me so i think it would be good if the parent recieving the child support actually was a good parent

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    • Daniela1982
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      But she did pay for your room and board so and clothes, etc. so in a sense she was spending it on you. Unless you went to school naked or went to bed ( that's right, she provided a bed for you) hungry.

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    • leahzrc
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      She didn't do that. my father did.

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    • s2firestar
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      @leahzrc - true. At least my country has made a few laws to ensure this.

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  • slatyb
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    Of course not. Child support is not there to punish non-custodial fathers, it's there to prevent children from falling into poverty and requiring government. If you father a child and for whatever reason you decide not to stay with the mother and child, why should you be allowed to shirk your financial responsibility TO THE CHILD?

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    • roland77
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      My daughter won't fall into poverty because of her "step-father" (not yet done, that is why in quotes) earns enough money to support her. And I for some time had only social money as income and still "earned to much".

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  • Wolkmi
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    Maybe, if the woman can stand on her own, why does the man need to pay? Don't single mothers and fathers take care of their children? I understand paying the maintenance but the father (and mother sometimes) still has to pay rent, mortgage, his life... instead the mother has her salary and the extra maintenance, nowadays everybody works, if the children are older than 5 years there is really no excuse to work only part-time. Let's say that the father (example from my country, these are normal amounts) has a salary of 1000 euros and pays alimony of 100-150 euros, he still has to live, pay for his house, eat... I think that he has to go according to the salary, and those who have several children I can't imagine what they would pay...

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  • RickPen
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    No, it should not be abolished, but should be equalized. The current trends seem to indicate that men are expected to pay child support without custody, or face jail time. Women don't seem to have as harsh of a time, and several responses on here ignore that women may need to pay child support.

    Equalizing and setting up a realistic system is necessary. Stop the sexism against men.

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  • RomanFishTrumpet
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    No, but family court does need reforms so as to grant fathers the same rights as mothers. Although this question does not have listed with it a reason as to why it is asked, I believe that you asked this due to how heavily abused the child support system is. Stronger state intervention in such cases is probably the best option, so as to make sure that child support payments are being spent on the child, and, even beyond that, in situations where the father is better suited to take care of the children, the mother is still oftentimes chosen as the primary caregiver. This is another way in which I believe family court needs to change.

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  • WarDaddy1969
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    No you should take care of your child most don't pay knowing they will be jailed if they get behind and still don't pay. But really it's wants and needs, see you WANTto drink beer but in reality you NEED to pay your child support see it's all about wants and needs. I payed child support for 21 years never missed a payment or went to jail. Also j keept insurance on both my children by different women wasn't the babies fault I payed 95.00$ on each child pluse almostv400$ a month insurance whoooo man it was hard I really suffered ç

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  • AmandaYVR
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    What kind of a crazy idea is that? Child support is just that. For the child. You're obviously confusing this with the mother. They are two separate things.

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    • msc545
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      Yes, except women can spend it on whatever they want. There is no accountability.

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    • LightEnd
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      Child support should go into an account and only be used for a percentage of bills and should be ensured that it is spent on the children. Otherwise you end up paying for the woman and her new mans lifestyle and your kids get 1 pair of shoes and a few hundred dollars of clothes a year. Trust me I know.

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    • LightEnd
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      I would be overjoyed to pay if this was the case. Right now it's just a crock of horse shit

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    • AmandaYVR
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      @msc545 Well that is true.

      My stepfather paid child support + alimony to his ex-wife for many many years, some of which was alloted by the courts to be for his two kids' university educations. She instead spent all of the money herself. They had to pay for their own educations. This is absolutely wicked.

      And then there's my father. He refused to pay child support once he and my mother split. He rarely paid for anything, rarely even gave me money directly. He was angry that my mother left him to be with another man. So my stepfather ended up having to support me, much to his chagrin.

      Both situations are terrible. Both acted very poorly. But no one has a monopoly on righteousness when it comes to this stuff. What can be done? Both parents need to provide for their kids' upbringing. Often they don't. The courts do what they can to make sure children are cared for. Many situations slip through the cracks.

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    • AmandaYVR
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      All you male downvoters can suck it. You think I'm biased? You don't know shit about me, yet you make blanket assumptions. You'd rather live on your false ideas than expand your mind to even consider another way of interpreting or looking at something.

      Statistically speaking there are more mothers raising children, and more fathers who do not live in the household. Whoever has the child has the lion's share of the responsibility. The same cannot be said of the absent person. So of course child support needs to exist. Two people fucked, therefore two people are responsible for the economic welfare of the child.

      (msc545 this is not directed towards you. You were polite.)

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    • LightEnd
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      I didn't downvote you.

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    • LightEnd
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      The thing is tho, that child support is an incentive for women to enter single motherhood instead of work on the relationship. Relationships fail because of both people, not just the guy.

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    • LightEnd
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      There are more women statistically raising their kids because the courts will typically award the woman custody all things being equal between the man and woman.

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    • msc545
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      @LightEnd You are correct. Most Judges are extremely biased against fathers. It is beyond me how a guy with three years of law school somehow is an expert on what is in "the best interests of the child".

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    • LightEnd
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      Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned backed by the Government.

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    • msc545
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      @LightEnd Perfect!

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    • AmandaYVR
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      @msc545
      @lightend your comments were not visible when I posted my second and third.
      You both make valid points.

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    • msc545
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      Thank you for being open minded and polite

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    • LightEnd
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      Yes thank you AmandaYVR

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    • crazy8000
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      Everyone is biosed in some way 😉

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    • Gsm24diecast
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      The Male Down Voters are So Triggered...

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    • msc545
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      @Gsm24diecast Apparently you don't have to pay child support. Yet.

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    • Gsm24diecast
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      Maybe you should learn who you talk to first @msc545 I can’t have children due to medical problems from birth.

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    • Gsm24diecast
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      @msc545 get triggered

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    • msc545
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      @Gsm24diecast sorry to hear that but that is hardly a justification for your unfortunate opinion

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    • Gsm24diecast
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      What’s my opinion? Did I state anything about child support? no sit kid

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    • Gsm24diecast
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      @msc545 get triggered kid

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    • roland77
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      @LightEnd Very much agreeable! Otherwise it will be abused for leisure reasons where the child does not benefit from it.

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    • roland77
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      @AmandaYVR Thank you for being open to it. This is nothing against mothers who don't abuse the financial child support, German "Unterhaltsgeld".

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    • AmandaYVR
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      @roland77 Thank you, Roland. I appreciate that.
      Doesn't it just piss you off when some people assume that someone else cannot think level-headedly or even-handedly about a complex subject. I admit that sometimes my writing can be poorly worded, or appears one way and not another, and I do take responsibility for that and potential miscommunications, but what I do resent is the implication that I am incapable of seeing another side. As my example showed, I know both sides of this coin very well.
      We are all adults here (well most of us.) It should not be beyond any of us to have a reasonable discussion.

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    • roland77
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      @AmandaYVR I'm in for a reasonable discussion, not shaming someone (no offense to you).

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    • LightEnd
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      @AmandaYVR I would like to apologize if some of us come off as rude when discussing this subject. I think it comes from the fact that this whole system is unjust and doesn't take into account the needs of the father. In my opinion is not in the best interest of the child for the father to live a meager existence in order that the mother, whom he used to be in a relationship with, should benifit financially.

      a lot of us have a piss poor attitude because for one, we all know the majority of this money is not spent on the kids, secondly the children do not add that much more to the expenses. For instance, a couple will almost always need 2 cars, so car expense should not be included, also children add very little to the added cost to run a household which would still need to be run without the children.

      For child support of 1600/month. My children are probably adding a cost of approx 5-600 dollars a month for food and utilities.

      Take into account that she is also their parent and is "supposedly" responsible for half of their support and that should bring my obligation to 3-400 a month. Give or take.

      All the 1600 dollars a month does is improve her and her new partners lifestyle, nicer cars. Pave the driveway, etc etc.

      She has children from 3 fathers now and is collecting child support from 2 men, plus is married and her husband works. This woman has 2 men on wage slavery and one in the home.

      This should be illegal.

      Meanwhile, I have no time, it is all spent working. I have no money because uncle Sam and her take the majority of it.

      The rest covers my living expenses and they are meager.

      This is the reason a lot of men are acting enraged about this topic. Because society has succeeded in brainwashing everyone into thinking that is is "just" and what a man is supposed to do, but in reality it just allows women to game the system.

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    • LightEnd
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      Let's add the fact that not only must you live like this for almost a decade or more. But what woman would want to join you in this type of life.

      Not many at all. So not only do you have to live like shit, you have to live like shit ALONE.

      This is why male suicide rates are so high.

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    • LightEnd
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      So this system also drastically lowers the "eligible" pool of men that women can select from and is also one of the reasons so many 30 ish year old women cannot find suitable partners. a lot of us are to busy working and have no money to pursue other women.

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    • LightEnd
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      But, this system is PERFECT for lowering the birth rate to reduce the overall world population and is probably the primary reason it is being enforced.

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    • AmandaYVR
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      Thank you, everyone (especially you, @LightEnd). I am very proud of us all for getting through that and hearing each other out. This is another shining example of how things can, and should, be discussed on GAG (and all social media.) I respect you all. I will remember this thread.

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  • JimmyQ
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    Do you have some sort of a point to make or do you think children should go to work in factories and raise themselves?

    I do personally know of women who intentionally go about getting pregnant with as many guys as possible to collect off the state, but these are few and far between.

    I mean, I want to give the benefit of the doubt here, but there's not much evidence to support your idea.

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    • Yep12345678
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      Ok? I've made it very clear what my point is, if you were willing to scroll down the page a little bit. I never once stated that I think it should all fall on one person. It's my belief that men should have a means out like women, and there's no need for the government to be involved.

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    • JimmyQ
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      Dude, why not do some sort of an update so that people can understand where you are coming from? Right now, it just looks like a poorly conceived notion.

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  • hellionthesagereborn
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    If women have the right to forgo motherhood then men should have the right to forgo fatherhood. Its the only fair and equitable thing to do. If however the woman is forced to give birth to the child then the man should also be forced to provide for that child, again, this is the only fair and equitable solution. Anything else is just an attempt to avoid responsibility.

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  • Anonymous
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    It's no surprise that almost every female in the comment section said no other than saying that it's needed. I for one never got child support from my dad and I sure as Hell do not pay any type of amount to my ex. We do discuss what our child needs and split it down the middle. If she buys our child something that is a luxury then that's on her. I don't spoil my daughter with toys or anything of the sort simply said because she gets that from her grandparents. Simply put, if a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy without the consent of the father, then the man should have the right to abandon the child without having to pay 18 years and possibly more than 50% of their income.

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    • roland77
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      50% ? Wow, that is a lot over there!

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    • Anonymous
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      That's half of your monthly income.

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    • roland77
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      Yes, and that is really A LOT! I couldn't make a living with it. Here in #Germany / #NRW we have a "Duesseldorfer Tabelle" (search for it, please) and I guess my income would be cut down to 880 EUR/month. Hard to make a living with it when your rental fee is 420-450 already + 40 phone/Internet + 120 gas/water + ~120 EUR for supermarkets/grocery.

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    • Littleblackfox
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      Abandon away!

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  • CT_CD
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    If the man doesn't want anything to do with the child then he shouldn't be forced to pay for it for 18 years. Just like women aren't forced to give birth. Men should be able to opt out of all rights and responsibilities in the early stages of pregnancy. The woman can literally terminate the pregnancy if she decides she doesn't want the baby and the man can't do anything about it.

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  • SirRexington
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    It should remain an available option but men who never wanted the kid in the first place and never agreed to having it should not have to pay for child support. This was the sole choice of the woman and not the man's.

    Pro choice but that includes the choice for men too

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    • Angie221994
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      If he never wanted the kid in the first place, then he should’ve worn protection. It takes two to make a baby. Just saying.

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    • SirRexington
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      @Angie221994 nope. There is no 100% guarantee. And also she could have lied and claimed to be on the pill.

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    • Angie221994
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      That’s why you don’t believe her and use a condom anyway. Lol. And the condom is 99% effective. It drops down to 96% effective due to HUMAN ERROR. Learn how put one on properly, and how to store one properly.

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  • andreasderjuengere
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    Hereabouts it is not uncommon that a father just buggers off and leaves the woman alone in the rain.
    That's not right.
    But it's also not right to make childcare a mere financial transaction.
    The whole idea needs a proper re-work; but not an abolishment.

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  • DJB72
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    Not until men step up and be actual men, taking responsibility without having to be forced to by the courts.

    We need a generation to become fathers to a list generation who grew up thinking all a man is is a sperm Donor, and that women should accept it. That's not feminism.

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  • genericname85
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    I would say if men got a veto right if a woman decides to have an abortion, that would create the equality that would make it acceptable for child support to exist. Also the man should not have to pay it if she betrayed him. A friend of mine is a father of a child he never wanted cause his ex girlfriend thought it was a good idea to stop taking the pill without telling him, to get a baby so that he would stick with her.

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  • lucas262
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    Child support is good. When it's used properly and isn't extreme.

    The problem is its abused and it extort a people making them no better than slaves.

    Almony should be abolished as it has nothing to do with the children but to ensure the ex can maintain the same level of lifestyle after the fact.

    65% of marriage ends in divorce and 80% of cases filed by women. Because of no fault divorce you can get court raped at any moment for any reason so the risk isn't worth it.

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  • crazy8000
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    Yeah. both yes and no.
    Depends on how the system works. some countries needs to trash what they have since it doesn't really work and creates other problems in the long run for society on a non financial level.
    USA is a primary example of that disfunction.

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  • TacocaT6969
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    No. But in some cases child support should not be required such as men who are not allowed by the mother to see their kids.

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  • simplelikeme
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    No I do not think it should be abolished. I think most men should get off their whiny ass and paid her child support like they're supposed to. Except to those women who abuse that right and make stuff up to ruin your life, then you should not have to pay child support for that nonsense and she should be sitting her little butt in jail thinking about what she did and how she seriously mentally emotionally and physically abused their children over her selfishness and being a narcissistic person

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    • roland77
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      Used condoms in waste bins can be used to impregnate the abusing woman before you already have children. She can then demand a DNA test where you loose. Some rare cases I guess but it DOES happen. Very sad to see such abusive behavior.

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    • simplelikeme
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      I agree there are some crazy devilish women out there that do do that stuff. They should be accountable for that and have a little jail time to reflect on it also. People that abuse our system are not people they are animals.

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    • roland77
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      Yes, but how do you want to proof it against them? Maybe throw the condom, twisted (closed up) into an other waste bin later?

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    • roland77
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      Today I learned that condoms have a chemical inside that kills sperms?

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  • ciitruskiwi
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    No because if it is your child then you have a responsibility to take care of it.

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  • DWornock
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    Yes, except as agreed between the parties. Those with custody receive all the benefits and should bear the cost. If there is no prior agreement between the parties or the parties cannot agree, children should be awarded to the parent that is best able to provide care and financial support.

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  • s2firestar
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    There should be an option. If a guy is clear from the beginning that he does not want kids, does everything for protection, yet something happens and the woman decides to keep the kid, he should be able to opt out, with the caveat that he will never be able to claim fathership later. This would most likely stop women from manipulating the system. From there, it is their decision whether to keep the child with all costs or not.

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  • Lukman99
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    It depens who takes care of the child. If both parents are equally invloved there should not be a need for child support since both parents are equaly using their time and ressources to raise the child. However, if one parent invests more time into their child then the other I think they should have the right to child support.

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  • stormbreaker06
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    it just needs to be logical and have better laws and procedures.

    some child support fees are unrealistic.

    many women purposely trap men whether the child is his or not and the guy has to pay more than he is worth.

    its all illogical.

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  • KrakenAttackin
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    Child support is such a dual edged sword. I am all for supporting children, but I hate that child support funds are given to so many awful women, who make such bad decisions, and forget all about their duty to their child.

    I wish there was a way to guarantee the child support dollars went directly to the children. I would pay extra tax dollars for some sort of supervision program to force women to collect receipts and turn them in for expenses against what the father has paid for kids.

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  • Zumba_dancing_27
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    No because some dads or moms are evil or not good people to be parents.

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    • roland77
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      He means the financial support, not the social one, if you mean those. But I agree with you, that some are not ready to be parents.

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    • Zumba_dancing_27
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      My dad was a good dad but he was being silly still trying to sell drugs and going to prison and still is doing this. He still can be a good dad but doesn't really spend time with me much so thats where I am coming from.

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    • roland77
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      That must feel very bad for you then, as daughters mostly like their dads a lot.

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    • Zumba_dancing_27
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      Its does but I am an adult and I guess I am used to it by now. Its his choice to spend time with me or not.

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    • Zumba_dancing_27
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      I can pretty much take care of myself mostly and got a job on my own with help and have been there for 9 years. I am working on getting my own place or a car.

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    • roland77
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      Sure! I like my parents being distant for a really good reason. They interfered a lot with almost all of my life aspects.

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    • Zumba_dancing_27
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      My mom was the one rasing me when I was a kid and my sister. We are both doing better then our parents which is sad.

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    • Yep12345678
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      I'm not opposed to financially support entirely, I'm not a bad person. I just think that the government doesn't need to be involved.

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    • roland77
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      @Zumba_dancing_27 So you learned from it? I hope my daughter doesn't suffer from it (psychologically). Money doesn't fix this, only seeing more often her biological dad does prevent it.

      @Yep12345678 Yes, of course. If people would be lesser abusive than it might work.

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  • red324
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    I think it should. The government doesn't need to tell me what I should pay to support my child. I can work that out on my own with the mom. Also I can pay for things myself to make sure it's paying for the benefit of the baby and not wasted by the mother.

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  • kangy
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    No It shouldn't. It is necessary to keep the child protected and safe. A responsible adult will no matter what carry out their roles well to protect their child

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  • Pamina
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    Abolishing child support would first and foremost hurt the child. So no.

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  • Ceasar97
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    Definitely not, but I do think that the court system can be a little bias towards the mother often and that can hurt the fathers. That said, I think that child support is important for the person that has the child more often.

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  • grega239
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    Yes.
    Feminists have been demanding equality, so get it scrapped.
    I'm specifically mentioning feminism because the overwhelming majority of child support recipients are women.

    Also , male incarceration, homelessness and suicide rates would drop if we stop jailing men who are unable to pay it.

    So yea.

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  • jellyroo
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    Xper 7 Age: 31 , mho 43%
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    No, but you should be able to opt out if you never agreed to a child and can prove it (which could be very difficult legally so that sucks).

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  • cloud9vortex1234
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    No, I think we can do it better. It would be more efficient if fathers could pay into an Automated Ordering System that sends what his children need straight to the mom's house. It's like Amazon, but for Child Support. You really want it going directly to what the kid (s) need. Still, nothing will be Fool-Proof. Guys who know what its like to go through Divorce Rape need to be running for office.

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  • SydneySentinel
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    Guru Age: 37 , mho 34%
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    No, definitely not. But the money should only be used for taking care of the kids. It seems that would require more regulations.

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    • red324
      red324
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      That's the issue I have with it. I pay the woman child support and she uses the money on her drug addiction or buying herself a 3rd $700 purse she doesn't need.

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    • SydneySentinel
      SydneySentinel
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      That's really messed up. I'm sorry. I don't like the idea of additional regulations but in this case, I see a need.

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    • red324
      red324
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      Hasn't happened to me, but I know of such cases.

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  • msc545
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    Master Age: 39
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    11.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

    I think that child support should be changed such that it is not tied to custody time and is instead tied to income (as it supposedly is now). This would result in far fewer custody battles and more equitable distribution of custody time for both parents.

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  • AynonOMouse
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    There should automatically be equal 50/50 custody so there would be no child support in the first place. Of course that would require the courts and women to stop being so sexist and stop stealing children from their fathers.

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    • crazy8000
      crazy8000
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      That works very well in real life.
      Support still exists from government.

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