In my opinion it is because when I think of the movement it makes me think of the kkk and other hate group terrorists. It seems like the white people that participate in white pride aren’t connected to their original culture and so the only thing they can connect with is being white. And all white pride people I’ve met are racist 100% from my observation.
Asking this question for discussion.
Also for anyone who’s wondering, the person in the picture is a white supremest and is displaying a hate symbol that originates from the white supremest neo nazi prison gang “Aryan Nations”
The last example photos are ones of trump supporting terrorists raiding the capitol with confederate flags.
I'll be the first one to say that any kind of retarded collectivist groupthink based on, not even culture, but race is fucking stupid. But I wanna know if you think that it is at least possible that there are white pride people who aren't racists. Considering the popularity of black pride/power, is it at least possible that [x] race power people are not necessarily racist?
"In my opinion it is because when I think of the movement it makes me think of the kkk and other hate group terrorists."
What white power makes you think of is your problem.
"It seems like the white people that participate in white pride aren’t connected to their original culture and so the only thing they can connect with is being white."
You mean just like there are plenty of black people who jerk themselves off to Africa, as if it's a unitarian country and not a continent made up of 50-ish sovereign nations. Notice how it's 50-ish, that's because the people there are constantly engaging in civil wars, if not, full on genocides, but sure, African identity or something.
"And all white pride people I’ve met are racist 100% from my observation."
Honestly, fair enough and that does seem to be my experience too. Problem I'm having is that black people will base their entire existence on a continent they've never been on, preaching a unitarian culture that just doesn't exist, but when it's white people doing the exact same it's gotta be muh rayzism. I've seen just as many black nationalists as I have white, but only the white ones are universally condemned by the media and across 90% of the political compass. I find both side to be idiotic, not in the least because of the dozens of black on black / white on white genocides and the sheer amount of differences from one African/European country to another. Basing your life on an ethnicity or culture that isn't even a real thing is moronic as well, but the media will only allow you to say that against white pride, but never against black pride.
I’m not really talking about people in general cause that’s hard to define because some people are just brain washed into thinking it’s ok so i was just referring to the white pride movement as a whole and the ideologies that the people in this movement believe in.
And yes white power is a problem because I’m a black girl and I’m not trying to get killed, I’m guessing you probably don’t have to deal with that because I’m not sure how you don’t understand why I would care about a hate group existing where I live and genuinely having a hatred for people that look like me?
There’s no reason for you to get angry for black people turning to Africa. Of course Africa Is very diverse and has a lot of ethnic groups, if you’re going to get mad at Africans for some not having a set identity than you can get mad at the Europeans who came and took them from their country, cut their hair off and stripped them of their culture.
I’m not going to go into detail addressing the reason for the civil wars happening in Africa cause than it’d go way over GAGs character limit and I’d have to go off topic since that’s an entirely different subject.
As for you mentioning black people basing their entire existence off of a continent they’ve never been on. Generalizing a race is textbook racism.
I’m from Boston originally and there, White Irish Americans that have never been to Ireland celebrate being Irish. Are you against that?
As for a Unitarian culture. Africa obviously doesn’t have Unitarian culture it has a plethora of different cultures all with their own set practices, beliefs, traditions, heritage, food, etc. black people are aware of that?
As for black nationalists, what do you have specifically against them that you believe to be comparable on a moral scale?
As for ethnicity, culture, etc of curse someone’s life is going to be having that since that’s just apart of ones identity?
'Black power is a problem because I'm white and I'm not trying to get myself killed.' See how that sounds loaded? I'm sure that there are plenty of white power people who are actual white nationalists, but I don't necessarily think that labeling all white power people as that is useful, accurate nor good. If people who are antiracist start calling people who are merely proud of themselves as racists, they will start hating you and will become increasingly indoctrinated into being actual racists. My whole rationale here is that I don't want people to become extremists and mislabeling people as being [x] is a great opportunity for [x] to increase their numbers.
I'm not angry at African identity people, just think it's stupid beyond belief. Imagine if some moron claimed that all of Europe or Asia has the same culture, same exact line of thinking here.
"if you’re going to get mad at Africans for some not having a set identity than you can get mad at the Europeans who came and took them from their country, cut their hair off and stripped them of their culture."
And other Africans for selling other Africans to Europeans. I cringe at using Africans and Europeans here. Yeah, history is complex, but basing your existence on a thing that doesn't even exist, or just your skin color is idiotic and a poor excuse for personality.
"As for you mentioning black people basing their entire existence off of a continent they’ve never been on. Generalizing a race is textbook racism."
? Oh really? Did I generalize? By saying "plenty of black people", not 'all black people', not 'all em darkies' or some shit. Stop seeing things you wanna see and address the actual points.
"White Irish Americans that have never been to Ireland celebrate being Irish. Are you against that?"
Yup.
"As for a Unitarian culture. Africa obviously doesn’t have Unitarian culture it has a plethora of different cultures all with their own set practices, beliefs, traditions, heritage, food, etc. black people are aware of that?"
Yeah... that's my entire point. My point is when white people wanna prance around celebrating 'European culture' (you know, everything from the Baltic to the Balkans, from Poland to Portugal) they're rightfully called dumb, because a single European culture isn't a thing. However when it's a different race doing the same shit people will celebrate and pretend that it's true.
"As for black nationalists, what do you have specifically against them that you believe to be comparable on a moral scale?"
Same exact stuff I have against white nationalists. Pretending that someone's skin color makes them a different person is stupid and false. Having a family-esque connection to people simply because of their race is monumentally stupid. Wanting an authoritarian regime that will discriminate based on race is racist and idiotic.
I don't think that someone's identity/pride should be based in things you had no say in. If you were to introduce yourself you shouldn't start with 'well, I have a lot of melanin and I don't have a penis'. You should start with your job, achievements, personality, character traits, you know, things that actually make you you. I'd hope that someone's image of me doesn't end at skin and genitalia.
As for culture, it's not necessarily based in race. Culture is complicated. At the end of the first post I was specifically referring to morons preaching about a mythical European/African culture that just isn't a real thing.
Oh do tell me about European culture. From Norway to Greece, from Spain to Lithuania. What the hell do Netherlands and Kosovo have in common? What is the connection between Iceland and Malta? No entire continent, apart from Australia, has the same culture. Sure, there will be similarities with neighboring countries, but there are plenty of reasons for why different cultures mix and change over time. If you wanna talk about Slavic / Scandinavian / Mediterranean culture, you could have a point. But saying that an entire continent has the same culture is moronic. In fact, places like Turkey and Egypt arguably have more similarities with some cultures from Europe than they do with cultures from Mongolia or Zambia.
This logic is stupid even at the country level. There are plenty of cultures within a lot of countries, cultures that have more things in common with other nations, than they do with other cultures from the same country. Take Bosnia. There are cultures from Bosnia that have more things in common with Turkey, or Serbia or Croatia than they have with each other in this small country with 3 mil. people. Expanding this to an entire continent just doesn't make any sense. Spain is gonna have more in common with Morocco than with Slovakia. Turkey is gonna be culturally closer to Greece than with Vietnam. This isn't even just due to geographical proximity. Portugal is culturally closer to Italy than to Britain. Geography is not an indicator of culture.
[Continent] culture is descriptor of cultures from [continent], the notion that there is this single [continent] culture that all countries from [continent] share is idiotic. If you wanna go with this logic, white culture is a thing. It's just that white culture wouldn't refer to an illusion of a single culture made by white people, but to culture that exist, that just so happen to be made up of (at least mostly) of white people. Same thing with other races. But I find both of these descriptors to be useless.
If you're liberal it's problematic because you want multiculturalism but many cultures don't get along. So, you're having to try to keep all of these sometimes vastly different cultures banded together when they have almost nothing in common. It's a balancing act that is bound to fail and when it goes it's going to come crashing down hard with everything breaking.
If you're white and not a liberal then no. It's going to take a movement like this to stop anti-white policies or white genocide. Many whites however prefer to stick their heads in the sand and ignore stats and data. I've had conversations with leftists and I'm mostly white. One specific one comes to mind with a foreign middle-upper class left wing white woman. She called me an oppressor because I'm white and whites are the majority. I quickly corrected her that whites in my city are less than 10% of the population and that I have been severely harassed, likely because I'm white. She quickly changed her argument from "You're the oppressor because you're the majority." to "You're like the elite nobility and they're like the waves of peasants beneath you." I mean, DAMN! Damn for several reasons. One, that's incredibly racist to say they're peasants because they're non-white. Two, no matter what they're going to find a reason to hate you because you're a white. American leftists use the same logic with their white guilt bullshit. If you think they'll look at whites fairly when whites are the minority you're wrong! You will be an evil noble oppressing the poor peasants in a leftists eyes.
Whites historically have contributed to the human race more than any other. If you look at vast empires, technologies, the first to do X, etc. it is usually a white person. I will add that there are also many great Asian contributions as well. The irony is that the races that contribute the most are often the must humble. If we were to look at the races, how much pride they have, and how much that race has accomplished... it's not looking too great for prideful organizations like BLM.
Not even BIPOC like white leftists, using white leftists/liberal perspectives is very limiting so if that’s your only stand point you don’t have the room to properly judge the rest of what is leftism/liberal.
White liberals suck because they do the stupidest shit and make problems where problems don’t exist, and when people of color call them out for it their true colors show. Most of them aren’t true allies. Most are just conditional allies cause they don’t actually care about these issues.
My question doesn’t refer to other cultures that much so I won’t comment on that and instead just go straight to the point.
Where you mention white and Asian people contributing to the human race, than indirectly making a racist statement hinting that “black people haven’t contributed anything.
I’m guessing you’re one of them many misinformed people that think because of lies spread from imperialism that Africans just lived in huts or something.
Africans created the earliest recorded numeric system, and were the first civilization to create and solve arithmetic equations, Africans created art.. the oldest artwork in human history was found in South Africa, Africans created writing as the oldest known form of writing developed between 5000 and 3000 B. C. in sub-Saharan Africa. This writing system has come to be known as Proto-Saharan. Stone Age ancestors in sub-saharan Africa were the first human species to develop a language system. every language in the world can be traced to the dialect spoken by African ancestors over 100,000 years ago.
black Egyptians invented a concrete system of medicine that involved schooling for practitioners and written documentation of the methods of healing used. The ancient Egyptians were also the first civilization to perform surgery.
some of the world’s greatest and oldest architectural masterpieces are in Africa. The Pyramids of Giza, the Step Pyramid, the city of Great ZImbabwe, the Nubian Pyramids- all of these iconic sites are
proof of the highly advanced system of architecture and engineering that ancient Africans developed.
Ancient Egyptians invented the earliest calendar system over 5,000 years ago. And the way that we divide our days into hours and then minutes? That is also because of Egyptians.
I could go on if you’d like, but I think you get the point.
Black people have a lot to be proud of, so why not celebrate it? I love my culture and what my people have accomplished.
But white supremacist isn’t based off of liking culture and even objectively just think about it? What culture do white peoples as a race have?
I’m not arguing that white people can’t have culture by the way, I’m just saying that white people as a race only don’t have culture based off their race only.
Leftism is relative, liberalism is not. Liberalism is a broad but defined ideology. Democrats are leftists compared to Republicans. Communists are leftists compared to liberals. If you are using both liberal and leftist in the same sentence you just have to know about politics and pick up on the way it's used just like if you know English you have to pick up the words they're, there, and their. If anything, those terms are not "limiting" but often very broad.
I do think that the affluent liberals are just virtue signaling yeah, but of all races.
I didn't say black people haven't contributed anything only that compared to other races it's less. They then have pride in this and are the loudest about it. It's like some annoying student flaunted his C in front of those with a B or A. It's extremely arrogant but it's kinda funny and comical because he doesn't realize how much better the others did. Lastly, yes I am racist. And?
I do believe that culture is the most important thing.
Page 2# It's not that Africans just "lived in huts" and there are some records of some very wealthy blacks in history. However, relatively blacks did not contribute nearly as much to humanity.
After doing some digging you got some things incorrect. Blacks created the first number tracking, ok. Asians were the first to create art. Africans were the first to solve arithmetic but not blacks. Asians created the first writing. Language was created almost certainly before "modern humans" ventured outside of Africa though, so at that time the only real Humans were in Africa with no competition. After competition arose blacks fell behind.
Oh boy one of the "we was kangz" people. Egyptians weren't black so if a BLM thug were to say "We was kangz in Africa." no, at least not in Egypt. These are great African things. It is beyond hilarious to see people talk about how great Africa is and then choose the WHITEST people they can possibly find. It is like if someone asked who the smartest African was and I said Elon Musk. Obviously, he's not black. My birth mother's husband was African. He is white and he is African. Egyptians are African but they're not blacks. Blacks (here) are Americans, but they're not Africans. Black does not equal African. African does not equal black. You made a good case but it's for a non-black people in a mostly black continent. I could go on but I think you get the point. Stop appropriating other races achievements.
Page 3# Blacks historically have very little to be proud of and it is honestly sad. I believe the way that you see them often behaving now about BLM and so on may be a good indicator of why they relatively did not accomplish as much as other races.
White culture leads to first world countries and I can't name a single country that is primarily black and isn't very undesirable to live in. Not a single race is born with a culture, despite what some people like Jews may think. Culture and race merely often correlate. Whites created these ideals that made great places to live and it would be selfish to hoard it. However, others have to assimilate or else they'll destroy the country. White Culture: https://kapwi.ng/c/wkCkvdq3
I’m not going to argue with this, honestly sad that people like you still exist. Black people have a lot to be proud of and in proud to be black?
Also nothing you defined was even culture you literally just listed down achievements of white people and said that was culture when culture isn’t even that. Culture is food, hairstyles, songs/music, traditions.
So I’m still waiting for you to explain how white peoples as a racial group share those things.
I have no time to argue about achievements as it’s irrelevant to the topic and you definitely hold biases that I’m not going to waste my time trying to debunk.
Also, no one here is arguing that people are just born with culture?
And now it sounds like you’re advocating for straight up white supremacy not diversity. Talking about how whites made such a great place and people need to assimilate.
White people never made places, they colonized places and took traditions and stole. That’s why white culture as a race doesn’t exist.
White peoples aren’t even native to Europe. Europe used to just be Western Asia (Eurasia) before a white dude decided to call it Europe so even that can’t be included in white culture.
And finally, quit referring to black people as blacks. It’s derogatory, it’s not 1945 ? Just say black people cause that has racial connotations
Page 1# It's sad that blacks like you try to steal others culture. You haven't named a single thing that blacks would be proud of other than developing tally marks so far.
I defined EVEN MORE than this as white culture so I will give you a mere sample of what I have already given you AGAIN since you somehow have failed to comprehend it the first time: autonomy and individualist values, the nuclear family, family roles such as the husband providing and the wife being a homemaker, rational linear thinking/quantitive emphasis, protestant work ethic aka valuing being industrious, monotheism only/Christianity, valuing wealth, respecting authority, valuing goods/space/property, having a future oriented look such as delaying gratification, European aesthetics, 'steak and potatoes' food, holidays being based on christian/white/male leaders, English common law justice system, valuing intent in court, protecting property, being competitive and acknowledging a winner/loser system, when communicating avoid conflict, intimacy, emotion, and personal info, and be polite. All of those are cultural things and if you think otherwise then you need to learn what culture is.
Those are mostly accurate for most white countries but specifically Americans. It sounds like you're expecting proof that literally every white person is like this but then acknowledge people aren't born this way. If you look at any white country this stuff is obvious. White countries reflect other white countries a lot more than others. It's funny because if someone is criticizing the U. S. they often are telling them to emulate an even whiter country, like Sweden.
Page 2# You just listed a bunch of non-black achievements as the reasons why you're proud to be black. So, something tells me that you not having time to talk about achievements isn't the case. It's more like historically, relatively blacks don't have much to proud of and that sucks, but when blacks pretend otherwise someone needs to say "No, that's not yours. Stop stealing culture and make one that you can actually be proud of, ultimately nothing is stopping you."
If group 1# is doing better than group 2# and someone in group 1# acknowledges this, that doesn't make him a group 1# supremacist, it means he's going to look at someone complaining in group 2# and he's going to say "Stop complaining, stop sucking, and get good."
Cultural assimilation is needed for a society to function. If everyone spoke a different language for example, society would be a hell hole, we need one language in order to function. White culture has cultivated the best societies we've seen so far. Those with inferior cultures that create shit holes have to assimilate if they want the privilege of living in a civilized society. Absolutely no exceptions.
You are now making excuses as to why whites have been extremely successful. "They stole it all." is a giant cope and ignores all of the science and philosophy that whites contributed. Even if that were true it would mean that whites excel in combat while others are inferior which would be something to be proud of as far as I'm concerned. English Empire, French Empire, Roman Empire, many Chinese dynasties Spanish Empire... Persian Empire... Greek Empire... Whites and Asians... the only prominent one in Africa was Egypt and they're not even black.
Page 3# Caucasians genetically as a group have more in common with each other than other genetic groups. There are several main genetic groups. There are also sub genetic groups. For example, Egyptians are genetically similar to those in Europe but not so much those in Africa. surprise, surprise right? Not really as they look closer to Europeans than Africans. Calling Europeans non-white is another giant cope and when it comes to genetics plain anti-science.
Blacks.
Time for another English lesson I guess. Assimilation - "Cultural assimilation is the process of a group's language and/or culture coming to resemble those of another group." Now if you want to call it cultural genocide or something, ok I accept that. However, advocating for cultural assimilation is not advocating for the killing and murdering of millions. It means that if you're in my country you're going to do things our way or you're going to get deported.
You're only 15 though so I am being hard on you. One day as you learn more and more you'll find out this stuff as well. This stuff is embarrassing to blacks and I would never point these things out to blacks randomly because it'd just be being a giant asshole. I would only ever do it when discussing these topics or when the black is being arrogant aka one of those BLM types.
Well tbh. I think it's why so many people confuse black pride/power as racist or gay pride as wrong.
The white pride movement was mostly associated with skinheads and racists.
I don't think there is anything wrong for being proud to be apart of anything as long as it doesn't consume you and get used as an excuse for hatred or to mock others movements or down anyone.
As I was expecting almost all white dudes who answered this question said that BLM is a terrorist movement that is killing white people. RIDICULOUS!!! 🤦🤦🤦🤦
Of course it's racist and problematic. Their name says it all "white pride". Whenever you hear those words together - RUN!!
I absolutely agree with you. But I'm used to deal with those guys, GAG is a toxic place when they're around. You have no idea of many arguments I had with racist white guys.
Of course, it is and now the US Federal Government considers it the #1 terrorist threat over fundamentalist Islamists.
For instance, here is a June 2020 report from the Federal Government's Center for Strategic and International Studies on the rise of domestic terrorism. www.csis.org/.../escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states ========= The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States CSIS Briefs June 17, 2020
THE ISSUE The United States faces a growing terrorism problem that will likely worsen over the next year. Based on a CSIS data set of terrorist incidents, the most significant threat likely comes from white supremacists, though anarchists and religious extremists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda could present a potential threat as well. Over the rest of 2020, the terrorist threat in the United States will likely rise based on several factors, including the November 2020 presidential election. ... This analysis makes several arguments. First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Second, terrorism in the United States will likely increase over the next year in response to several factors. One of the most concerning is the 2020 U. S. presidential election, before and after which extremists may resort to violence, depending on the outcome of the election. Far-right and far-left networks have used violence against each other at protests, raising the possibility of escalating violence during the election period. ... TYPES OF TERRORISM This section outlines the threat from right-wing, left-wing, and religious networks. In particular, it focuses on the threat from right-wing extremists because of the high number of incidents and fatalities they perpetrated, as highlighted in the previous section. It does not cover ethnonationalist networks, which are not a major threat in the United States today.
RIGHT-WING TERRORISM There are three broad types of right-wing terrorist individuals and networks in the United States: white supremacists, anti-government extremists, and incels. There are numerous differences between (and even within) these types, such as ideology, capabilities, tactics, and level of threat. Adherents also tend to blend elements from each category. But there are some commonalities. ... This rise in right-wing activity is of national concern; it is not isolated to one region and affects cities of varying sizes. ... White Supremacists: White supremacist networks are highly decentralized. Most believe that whites have their own culture that is superior to other cultures, are genetically superior to other peoples, and should exert dominance over others. Many white supremacists also adhere, in varying degrees, to the Great Replacement conspiracy. The conspiracy claims that whites are being eradicated by ethnic and racial minorities—including Jews and immigrants. ... Anti-government Extremists: The right-wing terrorist threat also includes anti-government extremists, including militias and the sovereign citizen movement. Most militia extremists view the U. S. government as corrupt and a threat to freedom and rights.31 Other far-right anti-government groups mobilized to protect a perceived threat to individual gun ownership rights. Modern militias are organized as paramilitaries that conduct weapons training and other field exercises.32 The Three Percenters are a far-right paramilitary group that advocates gun rights and seeks to limit U. S. government authorities.
Anti-government extremists, which sometimes blend with white supremacist movements, have used the slang word “boogaloo” as a shorthand for a coming civil war. ... Incels: Involuntary celibates, or incels, conduct acts of violence against women. The incel movement is composed of a loosely organized virtual community of young males. Incels believe that one’s place in society is determined by physical characteristics and that women are responsible for this hierarchy. ... =========
In fairness, Antifa is also mentioned in this document, but the thrust of the document is that right-wing terrorism is the primary domestic terrorism threat.
Also, I just need to mention that the CSIS is not part of the Federal Government but an independent think-tank.
TITLE: Far-Right Groups Are Behind Most U. S. Terrorist Attacks, Report Finds SUBTITLE: White supremacist groups have carried out a majority of “terrorist plots and attacks” this year, according to a report by a think tank, the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
By Jenny Gross Published Oct. 24, 2020 Updated Jan. 20, 2021 White supremacists and other like-minded groups have committed a majority of the terrorist attacks in the United States this year, according to a report by a security think tank that echoed warnings made by the Department of Homeland Security this month.
The report, published Thursday by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, found that white supremacist groups were responsible for 41 of 61 “terrorist plots and attacks” in the first eight months of this year, or 67 percent.
The finding comes about two weeks after an annual assessment by the Department of Homeland Security warned that violent white supremacy was the “most persistent and lethal threat in the homeland” and that white supremacists were the most deadly among domestic terrorists in recent years. ... ==============
This is just one document from last year, but there are others...
For instance, in that NY Times article above, they reference a report by DHS ("Homeland Security"). Here's the NYT article of that report:
www.nytimes.com/.../...te-supremacists-russia.html TITLE: Delayed Homeland Security Report Warns of ‘Lethal’ White Supremacy SUBTITLE: An annual assessment that a whistle-blower said was withheld for months did not hold back on the threat from violent extremists and tagged Russia as the primary source of disinformation.
By Zolan Kanno-Youngs Oct. 6, 2020 WASHINGTON — The Department of Homeland Security warned on Tuesday that violent white supremacy was the “most persistent and lethal threat in the homeland” in an annual assessment that a former intelligence chief had accused the agency of withholding in deference to President Trump. ... ==============
The Issue White supremacists and other like-minded extremists conducted two-thirds of the terrorist plots and attacks in the United States in 2020, according to new CSIS data. Anarchists, anti-fascists, and other like-minded extremists orchestrated 20 percent of the plots and attacks, though the number of incidents grew from previous years as these extremists targeted law enforcement, military, and government facilities and personnel. Despite these findings, however, the number of fatalities from domestic terrorism is relatively low compared to previous years.
Introduction There has been growing concern about the threat of domestic terrorism, with extremists motivated by political, racial, ethnic, economic, health, and other grievances. ... Some U. S. government agencies have outlined the threat from domestic extremists, though most have not provided recent data about terrorist incidents. In its Homeland Threat Assessment released in October 2020, the U. S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that “racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.”
============= I could keep going, but I've made my point: Right-wing extremists - mostly white nationalists - are the #1 domestic terrorism problem in the United States.
Extremely so. I'm white and we do have culture that doesn't revolve around racism and hate. They use "culture" as a weak defense because they are trying to pretend to be in the same vein as other cultural awareness and activist groups. They want to pretend to be political activists so they can seem credible.
But they aren't. They are Para military groups. Whenever there are violent overthrows of government or large coups its usually always started by some extremist group that decided to use force as a means to propagate their political ideas.
Before the rise of the nazi party there were several different political parties and Para military groups. Hitler tried to stage a coup, it failed and he went to jail wrote a book and came back a celebrity.
Donald trump tried to stage a couple, failed then got banned from social media and is gonna attempt to come back
The only difference between him and Hitler is that trump is too stupid to write a book. And go ahead and look it up, he has a ghost writer.
I agree and people think that white supremacists aren’t alive or aren’t prevalent now a days but the truth is they’re in plan site, just hiding. Most won’t express their beliefs but have 1,000 symbols of hate to attract other like minded people.
I’m forcing myself to memorize them for my own safety, straight up neo nazis live in my area. They won’t use the swastika but they’ll use other symbols that are less known to confuse people. Kind of like how pedophiles tried to confuse people by referring to themselves as MAPS (“minor attracted peoples”)
I'm a history geek personally so I'm familiar with tons of different flags and symbols from across history and they have a TON of symbols they use to signal other racist that "hey im a terrorist just like you"
Its appalling I've recently attempted to be able to recognize all the flags and symbols as well. Because I don't ever want to accidently be nice to people who can't even accept their fellow Americans.
Exactly, especially in the Deep South. That’s apparently where they like to stay and a ton of them still believe in lost cause propaganda from years ago till this day which is absolutely absurd to me
I think the white and black pride just needs to stop. Stop letting the color of your skin define you. It’s only relevant because people believe it’s relevant. Race doesn’t define who you are. Your socioeconomic status, culture, and value system is what defines how society views you. Black peoples growing up in Compton are a lot different than Black people living in upper scale Orange County. White people living in trailer parks are a lot different than white people living in Palm Beach. It has little to nothing to do with race. Something that’s really weak to me is grown adults acting like professional victims. We’re all dealt our hand in life and it really has nothing to do with race. Were you born extremely attractive? Extremely intelligent? Extremely wealthy? Those things matter. Race doesn’t. Grown adults need to stop bitching about how they’re oppressed when they’re living in one of the wealthiest and free countries in the world. It’s really cringe worthy and it’s something I’m seeing in the black community a lot. Let’s stop assuming black people are just so incapable. My black friends are not very different than my white friends. Grown adults should play the hand their dealt in life to the best of their ability. Some black people need to stop bitching and acting like children and that has nothing to do with them being black. White people who play the victim card in life instead of playing the card they’re dealt really makes me cringe as well. I’m refuse to hide how I feel. I stand by my values regardless of race.
@Not_Average you are part of this problem too, because if you don't think that skin colour doesn't define you is being spoken out of WHITE PRIVILEGE and your example using Palm Beach is another issue of WHITE PRIVILEGE seeing that you are right down the road from the BIGGEST RACIST EVER IN MODERN TIMES.
@Pogi-Paddy-2 Okay, I disagree. I’m biracial and I was raised to judge people in accordance to their values and how they treat others. I believe in meritocracy and equality. I think the data that supports “white privilege” is flawed entirely. I’ve done a great deal of research and this is my conclusion. I think politicians can gain a tremendous amount when they divide people by race. I think this is destroying our country and I think they are exploiting peoples morale for political gain and it’s disgusting.
@Not_Average if you look through the eyes of politics, no matter how you slice it, your research is tainted. From an apolitical perspective if you mesh "white pride" and "black pride" in the same thought or sentence, you are including your thoughts into the white nationalist and privilege people; in which it makes your point null and void.
I am of mixed race, although in person I look like an average white guy who by DNA is less than 13% Irish ancestry and 84% Native American/Alaskan ancestry, I have a unique perspective that knows that this country (USA) was NOT built on the BLOOD, SWEAT and TEARS of the northern Europeans who EXPLOITED the Native American people, the African American, and other immigrants whom celebrate their heritage.
I stand with all the BIPOC communities against white nationalism, privilege and politics.
Furthermore ONLY white people with white privilege will even attempt to bring "public morale" into their point genuinely shows their ignorance.
@Pogi-Paddy-2 I’m looking at economic data points in regards to employment and poverty. I’m ADP looking at crime statistics. I’m not looking at the politics at all.
@Not_Average I disagree with your point now about what you state about socioeconomic status, culture and value system further supports what I have previously written. You are still trying to support your conservative and white privilege statement because it doesn't matter if one who is black, that lives in the affluent or poor neighbourhoods still equally deal with the systematic racism and oppression, and to further point of your statement is by including your research of people in Palm Beach signifies that you are trying to justify your white privilege even though you've said that you are "bi-racial", your leaning in your research shows to me that you are trying to make a point to fall in line with your views.
Well I am here to say that no matter what you say and have said you are a bi-racial, conservative who only sees what falls in line with your views. Henceforth you also complain about people as you say playing the "victim" card also comes from white privilege. You have stated this in your original thought that you think that pride needs to stop. Just quoting your words.
This thought process in my experience comes from conservative Christian republican people who in their actions assume that they are superior and the rest of the world has to convert to your way of thinking. THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS COUNTRY not any word you have spoken.
@Pogi-Paddy-2 I’m very logically and analytically driven, sometimes to a fault. I analyze data all day. From an economists standpoint, disparities do not equate to system racism considering there are so many others variables to consider. I see a lot of intellectual dishonesty on major news outlets. When you’ve actually taken a great deal of Econ classes, you can see past all the propagated agenda. I don’t lean right or left when analyzing data. Based on the data points that I’ve seen, I don’t believe that America is systemically racist. I see no facts surrounding this. At best, I see speculative narratives that rely on a single data point when we should be measuring confluence and the hundreds of other variables that coincide with the claim. I’ve spent a lot of time on this, and I’m just not convinced at all.
A common issue I see amongst poor neighborhoods are stringent price ceilings and floors. Economies tend to perform poorly when you stray away from supply and demand equilibriums. Democrats advocate for these policies a lot. Minorities occupy these neighborhoods the most.
So I rather talk about data and facts rather than opinions. Opinions aren’t worth much to me. Also, my viewpoints have literally nothing to do with race. Having served in the military, I’ve seen all walks of life and have been surrounded by all kinds of culture. I’ll say this again, my race doesn’t define me. I define myself by my character, value system, morale, and how I treat others. The color of my skin is entirely irrelevant to who I am.
When politicians can create a sense of urgency when concerning a voter base, then they’ll take that route since it’s highly advantageous. Convince half of the country that every conservative is racist, and they’ll vote democrat. Nobody likes racism, so of course people of good morale will vote democrat if they don’t realize it’s propaganda. It’s no longer this way or that way, but rather good versus evil. In reality, it’s not good versus evil. It’s just a different approach to issues. 5+5=10, but so does 8+2. We as Americans shouldn’t divide one another by race and put such an emphasis on it. Identity politics is extremely toxic. I’m glad you know your ethnic background by percentages, but that personally don’t serve as any gauge on how I look at you. I don’t care how many people tell me I’m wrong, I will never judge anyone by the color of their skin. I stand strong on that belief because that’s how I was raised. You’re not going to convince me otherwise.
If someone’s black, I don’t think their poor and victimized. If someone’s white I don’t think they’re snobby and privileged. If that black person is dressed like a thug, I’ll think he’s of lower class. If he’s dressed in professional work attire, I’ll think he’s a professional. If he cusses every other word, I’ll think he’s of lower class. If he’s articulate, then I’ll think he’s bright. If he’s rude and selfish towards other, I’ll avoid him. If he’s selfless and kind, I’ll gravitate towards him. The same applies to a white person. Race literally has nothing to do with my judgement on another human being. It seems like it does for you, and I’d advise you to be a little less judgmental and be a bit more open minded. Humans are so complex. To make a judgement call off of someone’s race is entirely illogical.
Well I’m happy to discuss data and facts with you. If you feel so strongly in your stance, I’d imagine you have some solid talking points to defend this narrative. I’d be open to hearing it. Just pointing a finger at me saying I’m ignorant and problematic doesn’t serve for quality subject matter. It’s just baseless.
Yes, you definitely keep convincing me with every reply on your white privilege and your said politics, economics and general demeanor are EXACTLY WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY CURRENTLY.
Im just going to tell you one thing. I can't stress it any more than I already have. BLM was not invented to “praise” their own race. It’s to stand up to racism and discrimination, specifically against black people, since of all the horrible things being done to them, and continue to be done. White people, I’m also white by the way, have not experienced segregation, racism by a whole other race, harassment, death, or even worse maybe. The whole point of white pride is to point out that their race is more important or just as important, meaning it deserves just as much attention as BLM. Wrong. White people are born with privilege, and yes, every race has th eir own privileges. So don’t tell me “well, black people have privileges too” cause the difference between them is huge. When people think BLM is about “defining people’s skin Color” it’s absolute bullshit. Like I’ve already stated, BLM and ALM or any race being discriminated and harassed is NOT to point out their skin Color. And yes, you did mention BLM.
@Zzmaex White people aren’t born into any privileges. My black friends had more money than my most of my whites friends growing up. I don’t see any data that accurately suggest that and I don’t see it from my life experience. We shouldn’t judge people by their race. Period. We shouldn’t think that white people have everything in life handed to them. You’re making an assumption about someone’s life based on their race, and that’s wrong to me.
Also it’s kind of insulting that you think you’re more privileged than me because you’re white. I’m fully capable of everything you and your family has accomplished. I’m not a victim because I’m not 100% white. Isn’t that presuming that white people are superior if you look at others as victims?
No one said you where a victim, we’re saying systematically black people are being oppressed.
That’s why blm is a thing, where as white pride was created by a white supremacist.
In fact, the whites supremacist that made white pride would actually hate you a lot because he was anti interracial dating/marriage. He believed white people should stick “ to their own kind”
BLM is a horrible organization and has done a massive disservice to the black community based on data. I don’t support them. I think you’re an incredibly bright girl and I honestly think your time would be better spent studying other topics outside of gender and race issues. I get it’s a hot topic, but culture is cyclical, and this too shall pass within time. I used to be a progressive democrat when I was younger too. Life experience has taught me a lot. One thing it has taught me is that binary mindsets hold back potential. This whole movement is a bit culty and irrational just like q anon is. A decade from now, people will see it. I don't know I’m not trying to use my age on you. I just think you’re incredibly bright and I don’t like seeing young bright minds being so indoctrinated into a particular value system being pushed for political gain. Whatever you reply with, I don’t care. I’d just advise you take some time to think outside of this entire mess.
Well isn't the same critisicm apply to black pride? Blacks are not a monolithic entity. They have numerous cultures themselves. So by not being connected they are also only associating their skin color and thats it. So according to your reasoning that would make them both identical. Both racist or neither racist.
I agree that in practice all "_______ pride" is racist. This stems from the fact that pride over anything in this way is bad. If im proud at my musicianship thats an accomplishment. Its very different than to be proud of my skin color. Something i didn't earn or achieve. Thats retarded. Its like being proud that shit stinks... why? WHY?
But is all racism inherently evil or without purpose? I dont think there is harm by being proud of your ancestors for example or sharing your culture. Think st pattys day, cinco de mayo, Halloween costumes, etc. Its when you actually use to reduce someone to their unchageable characteristics. "You are nothing but your _insert random physical feature here_"
You said "Some Black people" yet you claim its about black race. Im sure all the black Africans and carribeans would disagree with you that they are part of this "black" culture you're talking about. Maybe you're talking about American culture? Thats a big assumption to say thats black and leave out the entirety of Africa in what is defining for black people.
I’m Afro Caribbean and my entire family knows and can agree on the fact that black culture exists. Black culture exists because Africans where taken off of their land and so once they where in America they all created a collective culture which was separate from their previously ethnic culture since they where stripped away from that culture so they made their own culture which is what’s considered black culture. This experience can also be shared as Caribbean’s where enslaved as well, the same stuff happened.
So you're telling me that reggae is a traditional black music so of course black americans and black europeans and black Africans all share this simply because of their skin color.
As well as i think its sudan they practice a cerimonial wife kidnapping as part of a wedding. Is that part of African American culture? Or black caribean culture?
According to you, simply all sharing black skin means blacks have a shared culture of the examples i listed above. I think you would agree thats not true.
Thats because there is no culture based around the black race. There are many cultures and ethnicities of black people. Exactly the same as white people.
You can be apart of many different cultural backgrounds. I’m saying that because of slavery black people have black culture as a result. This culture is separate from ethnic backround and therefore shared by black people because it’s a collective culture that’s been shared
So even though the vast majority of blacks have not nor come from a lineage of slavery... how so all blacks share a culture of slavery? Im still confused. Most Africans (which is most black people fyi) did not come from a lineage involving a racial slave trade of any kind. So i just dont see how blacks have a mono culture of any kind. I agree American blacks could have a culture but thats because they are African American. Not black. A black man in africa is not going to have any shared culture with an African American. In fact a white American would share more culture with a black American.
So your admitting that black pride is racist? Well good at least your consistent.
As for the last photo, no, your incorrect. Trump supporters are not racist. The idea that because they are not part of your tribal ideological group makes them pure evil is not just idotically stupid and provably wrong, its also dangerous. Now where you as convinced that democrats where racist and terrorists when they broke into the capitol building (twice)? Of course not because the rules never apply to you and yours, only every one else. Did you call BLM racist when they burned buildings down in order to push a political agenda (the literal definition of terrorism)? Of course not because again, you like them so its okay when they do bad things (like shooting people in the head for not supporting their violent racist ideology).
@Zzmaex How? I mean I know people on the left say it all the time without ever providing any evidence for it, but how does he define it? Also what does Trump have to do with this?
In the end, as a white person, I've met quite the few racist black people. In my opinion the greatest respect to race is not to care. I don't care if your black or white.
Sadly this is not the same for most people, white people are genuinely getting shunned. Have you seen adverts, I'm barely even seeing white people anymore.
It's just over the top, there certainly needs to be some more respect to white because blacks seem to shown as gods. Its pissing people off. Its not racist, its just annoying to see these ideas shoved down your throat.
If the only form of oppression you as a white person go threw is not seeing people that look like you on the screen than honestly you can cry about it because I’ve never seen someone that looks like me on the screen and you don’t see me complaining?
Literally the smallest of problems and majority of actors in Hollywood are white so unless the only channel network you pay for is BET you should see plenty of white people.
No there is no issue with people peacefully assembling. If you want to go after a racist hate group that executes terrorist attacks on the USA then you’d have to focus on the BLM and ANTIFA who riot, burn down building, loot business, assault and murder people while yelling racist slurs, and attack authority figures and government institutions which all constitutes an armed violent insurrection against their own nation. They are traitors that need to be executed. The BLM and ANTIFA are the primary instigators of the Capital event as well. While Trump and his supporters where listening to his speech the communists were smashing up the capital. After they made their way in most cops backed down and allowed the remaining individuals to enter the building unopposed. It’s all captured on video so there’s no reason to lie you deceitful dumb cunt.
I've been white my whole life and I've never run into any of these groups. In the military I've run into the same amount of racist people that mutter under their breath, about 3 white guys and three black guys. There is no "white movement". There's a fringe few freaks and I've never seen them. I've seen lots more BM folks... or BLM and antifa destroying property and murdering people.
The only place I've seen indicators of white supremacists is in the news. Propagated by the same people that say streets are flooded as the news crew is up to their chest in water and then someone walks behind them, not in a chest deep hole, in 4" of rain water.
You don't have to believe me. I don't have to believe you. If fake news is your only source then you're a fool or a liar yourself.
There will never be a "white movement" in this country.
You’ve never run into these groups because you’re white. Why would white supremacists target you if you’re white? That literally makes no logic sense.
I on the other hand as a black girl have to face hatred every single day just because of the color of my skin so just because something doesn’t effect you personally doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
None of this is fake news, here are some resources.
It’s funny that they have white pride when they are some of the dumbest fattest ugliest inbred creatures I’ve ever witnessed. They are borderline retarded, not sure what they are so proud of, they are the least desirable of any gene pool.
I'm White and I don't see the point in what they are doing unless it is racist. I am proud of my ancestry but I celebrate it in a more meaningful way. I'm part Irish and part Scottish mostly and so I attend Celtic festivals, St. Patrick's day celebrations etc. It's fine to celebrate one's heritage, but most of these so-called "White Pride" groups don't actually celebrate their heritage as much as they denigrate those they find inferior.
I don't see why we consider this especially problematic if we don't also consider things like Black Pride/Power, Hispanic Pride/Powder, or Asian Pride/Power equally problematic. I find this all problematic, as with people who talk about loyalty to their own kind, sticking to their own kind, not betraying their own kind. But that's hardly exclusive to white people.
Or I find it not problematic. It's either problematic among all races or not problematic among any race. What I don't find acceptable is singling out white people.
I am not white by the way. I am biracial. And this is why I have a bullshit radar that functions really well. I find far more black people resembling the KKK than white people resembling the KKK. There aren't that many white people who talk about sticking to their own kind, protecting their culture, attacking interracial relationships, etc, as blacks unless you go into the deep south. These days I think white Americans are, overall, among the least racist Americans on the planet. But they are the most widely criticized and attacked.
Some people will refute my arguments saying that it's impossible to be racist against white people because white people have all the power. That's fucking racist. It allows some black millionaire kid who grew up in Malibu in a mansion to think they are more oppressed and hold less power than a white girl who lives on a trailer and has been raped 4 times by her own family. This is bullshit. This is racism. I have a functioning bullshit radar, and the only proper way to define racism requires that we don't assume each member of a race is alike or shares the same privileges/struggles.
Jap on my father's side and white-American on my mother's and I do not fit in either way. Got called Amerikajin (the American) as a boy growing up in Japan and later told to go back to my own country when I set foot in the US while being called Chinese or something. I am the permanent outsider. I do not have my own kind. But I can at least see a lot of bias among those who do have them. People like to stick to their own kind. People think in terms of their own kind even if they aren't so aware of it. The only reason I notice is that I don't have my own kind.
The reason why white pride is seen as problematic is because if the hate groups and organizations tied to it. I’ll send a link to a website with a bunch of hate symbols that have been verified.
All these hate symbols are of “white pride” and they go on the bases that they are better/superior than other races which has obvious racist ideologies. Where as black pride/Asian pride (I’m not included Hispanic pride since it doesn’t fit well with the example since Hispanic is an ethnic group so any race can be Hispanic)
None of these movements are based off the ideology that they are inherently superior to any race of people, it’s just celebrating the collective culture that they have as a whole. For example, black history month celebrates black history so does Asian-pacific islander month and etc etc.
I guarantee that no one would have an inherent problem with white pride if white pride people actually cared about their culture instead of just hating on other cultures, races of people, etc cause it’s the ideology itself of white pride has well known racist history Engrand into it.
So for me if a white person where to say they are prideful they are Irish and etc, I’d have no problem with that. You do you and be proud of your heritage but for white people to say the have white pride. 9/10 they’ll say something racist asf to justify why the feel that way where as a person saying they are proud to be Asian or proud to be black say so because they love their culture/history.
Also most white pride people are against interracial dating, I really don’t care about interracial dating. You do you but if someone has a preference for their own race of people like for example, black man and black women or white guy and whites women than that’s fine because scientifically due to the laws of familiarity you’re more attracted to whatever’s familiar to you or whatever people you grew up around.
That’s why people that grow up in homogenous areas are significantly less likely to date or marry outside their racial group and nothings wrong with that unless said person hold a racist belief along with that and demeans people outside said preference they have
Appreciate your thoughts and please forgive a rambly old man. The topic brings back a lot of bad memories for me growing up. Yet I think the superiority angle (in terms of interpretation) is overplayed. Of course, we had Nazi Germany with the concept of Untermensch vs. Übermensch but that's such an extreme example, and even though it's so extreme, I've found at least some people in every racial category who think their people/culture is the very best.
It might be an inescapable part of human nature if we have some sort of "kind" we identify with and group ourselves with to think our "team" is superior, like sports fans rooting for their own teams and getting into fights over who is the best. It's like an arrogance we have which I also share sometimes, like I wanna think I'm the best and the only exception in my case is that I don't find I belong neatly in any "team". I'm not rooting for the NY Yankees, just myself.
But the real dilemma to me is that we are seeing each other so much in terms of race, ethnicity, culture, etc. that we can't get along. It's like the super jock in school who is a star quarterback can't get along with the super nerd who is the king of the chess club because they look down on each other in a team-wise fashion, even if they could have made otherwise made the best of friends if they stopped looking at people in a collective/group fashion and more in an individual fashion.
So I see any failure to see people as individuals, not representatives of a group, as a big failure in terms of our ability to get along... to see each other's potential as friends or workers or anything else. That's what I want to correct. And these days I see the bigger problem with the attack on white people, like DiAngelo's book on "White Fragility", as more of an obstacle to just us getting along than some trivial number of KKK members or Neo-Nazis.
So I'm in the group that already thinks that framing that framing things in terms of "white" this or "black" that or "Hispanic" this or "Asian" that is already kind of a problem... because we're dividing each other in ways I consider unnecessary. I'm on the side that likes the notion of color-blindness, not to the extent like I don't notice the basic physical differences a black person, or an Asian, or a white person, or their cultures, but such things don't really matter to me so much in terms of whom I wanna befriend, or date, or marry, or hire for a job. Yet the anti-racists and critical theorists these days would already call me a racist for insisting on a color-blind approach to things... they might even call MLK Jr. in his latter ways a racist while they're at it since, with my limited understanding, he preached the same thing.
[...] So I'm in the group that already thinks that [/framing things] in terms of "white" this or "black" that or "Hispanic" this or "Asian" that is already kind of a problem [...]
I haven’t read Dianfelos book on hire fragility so I’m not going to be able to comment on that since I don’t have the perspective for that but as for race with the exception of culture and etc I agree. Race shouldn’t be a problem but in America and many other places it still is a problem. White supremacist and neo nazis definitely aren’t just a small group of people, though it might seem that way.
From the website as you can see they have many symbols that they love to wear or tattoo on their body to basically signal to other like minded racists “hey, I’m ignorant just like you!” And when these people band together they are capable of committing disgusting acts. Such as the creation of sundown towns, the rioting of the capital, and more recently during Ramadan when a black Muslim student at north penn high school got jumped by two white students where they proceeded to rip off her hijab after getting sending her multiple threatening messages (the school suspended the girl just for fighting back to protect herself)
Individuality isn’t possible because when people look at me they see I’m black before anything else and secondly a girl/women, that’s something that’s inherently fine and nothings wrong however for the people that assume I’m loud/ratchet/rude/am going to rob them based off the color of my skin than that’s a problem that needs to be fixed.
Not to mention the rise of hate crime against Asians and how easy it is for people to just go and generalize an entire group of people with different backgrounds and culture and blame them for starting a virus.
As for the black, Hispanic, Asian pride and etc those bring unity because someone’s culture is a huge part of them and deserves to be celebrated and shared with others outside of said culture in a respectful manner.
These type of things promote diversity more than separation, the type of things that don’t promote diversity seem to be white pride people with white supremacist ideologies.
I think the only difference we might have in thought is that I think divisive ideologies aren't limited to white people. Let's even suppose that white people are most guilty of this (something I'm not so sure about anymore). Well, even then I cannot see a way forward that focuses on blame. These kinds of things give me hope for a better future between people with less conflict:
I agree that divisiveness isn’t limited to white people, but it’s undeniable that those types of ideologies mostly when you see it playing out between poc has white supremacists roots even when not involving a white person.
For example I’ll use the black-Asian conflicts that have arose following shortly amid all of the hate crimes in the Asian community. anti Asian violence has been weaponized to a black-Asian problem which has caused a huge break in the two communities despite black Americans also having been threw and going threw racial discrimination ourselves and statistically studies showing that white Christian nationalists are the ones that hold the strongest likelihood of xenophobic views for covid 19.
This makes it so instead of actually looking at the actual problem with the systems of inequality that are allowing these type of things to take place to instead cause the black and Asian community to have problems which make the two as a whole more separated than unified. (Like they should be), because when all of these communities are together great things are capable.
Anti Asian, anti black non sense all comes from and is rooted in white supremacy. And in my opinion all race related violence, I can go in detail and explain later cause right now I’m a bit busy and getting out of GAGs character limit zone
In my personal opinion, it's stupid to be proud of anything that you didn't do anything for to obtain. You didn't do anything to be white. You didn't do anything to be black. There is absolutely no reason to be proud for these things. I'll even go as far as to say that the constant mention of your race is what keeps racial differences relevant, even though race makes nothing different about you as a person. Your race is not your identity, who you are as a person is.
Whenever I talk to white pride people they never talk about culture though, it’s just always about how they think they’re superior because they’re white.
I’ve seen white people who actually care about their culture and they never say white pride, they just say Irish pride or something along the lines of their ethnic background.
Well, racists are a bit different from just regular everyday "White" people. What good can come of talking to insane crazed rabid racists? They can't even logically explain what they believe or why they even believe in it.
The problem is that "Whiteness" power comes from its ability to just be "normal". Many "White" Americans tend to think of themselves as cultureless while everyone else who is not "White" has culture. It is problematic. Because it makes them actually think they do not possess biases, groupthink, traditions, behaviors, beliefs, etc.
There are not many groups of non-"White" folks who play that game. And it makes race discussions extremely problematic. In my group, our biggest meetup was about "White" American Culture. I invited "White" Americans from every political background, religious affiliation, etc. as I could. And a circular conversation developed.
There is nothing to being "White" but their skin color. Yet every other group has a specific type of music, behavior, tradition, culture, and history.
It isn't "White" supremacy. It simply sets the stage. I keep telling them in the absence of any real positive "White" American experience for angry young "White" boys to latch onto, what do they expect them to do but put on hoods? "White" supremacists are free to define what "Whiteness" is. And they are really proud of it.
When you get older and have the opportunity to travel to Europe, you will notice a distinct difference. Because there the "White" identity is nothing compared to the European ethnic community. Europeans are not about to give up their proud identities to become "White".
I agree, I just think the fact that white people think that just their race alone has culture. Most of them literally just go to explain something from another culture, and another person even tried to say American food was white food?
I think there is no such thing as black culture or white culture there are simply different tribes of people with different habits and ways to act and simply just collecting everything under a simple word as in white culture or black culture is just plain wrong
@jspl90 But these American versions do exist. We have different histories. We have different traditions. We even have different holidays. And it is time to pretending that "White" American Culture and African-American Culture do not exist.
"Blacks" have already firmly established their specific identity. And it is silly to pretend that "Whites" and "Blacks" in America are the only creatures on this planet who do not possess culture.
Culture is essentially defines the differences between Humans and animals.
yeah for examble I am finnish we have our own folklore we music we have food etc that is culture in specific it is finnish culture not white not black but finnish culture
I am not American so maybe I dont really get it but sure yeah it stupid that some people feel whites and blacks dont have culture in america for example this doopayo well she is young and not educated yet so she can be excused
and yes there are racist people in all groups but racism is learned not anything else in my mind if you put group of very young kids together they will play without no hassle without caring if you are black white yellow red blue purple or anything right?
@jspl90 Yes, Irish have culture. I’m not saying they don’t. I’m saying that white people just as a race don’t have culture because Irish culture isn’t equivalent to white culture since not all white people are Finnish.
so you saying all blacks have a shared culture that everyones culture is the same😂you do know there is many tribes upon tribes who have different traditions there is no one unifying culture
I never said that, I said their was a collective culture that black people share. I don’t think you’re even reading my responses because those words never came out of my mouth.
well okay please do give me few examples of that collective culture🤔and sure I may have misworded you but besides the point also if you start looking through different european countries im pretty sure you will find common things
@jspl90 Why would you confused Finnish culture with "White" American culture after all I have said. Did you even read what I posted?
Why do I have to repost something I said clear as day?
When you get older and have the opportunity to travel to Europe, you will notice a distinct difference. Because there the "White" identity is nothing compared to the European ethnic community. Europeans are not about to give up their proud identities to become "White".
@jspl90 That topic is discussed almost at every meetup that I conduct. One participant said it clearly, "Why is it that white americans can't see their culture, but everyone else can"?
@jspl90 Of course not. There no such thing as a black race. "Blacks" in America are referred to as "Black" or African-American. As a Dominican person, a dark-skinned Arab or Cuban if they think they are "Black".
@doopayo on a "Black" shared culture, I would disagree. Just look at Africa. The continent is rife with cultural strife. In fact many genocides take place on the basis of culture.
The riddle of the African experience is why do Africans try to look at themselves the same way Europeans do?
Yeah, it's a racist thing usually. So is all the other prides. People are just being dumb on purpose when it comes to anything other than white pride. e. g the BLM riots went on *every day* for months, people died, businesses were destroyed, all while BLM uses the *red salute* as it's symbol and everyone acts as if they're not terrorists. If you were doing the same shit while throwing the roman salute then it would be condemned. Really it's shouldn't matter, they're all trash. BLM is just the way more popular terrorist group than nazis. Confederate flags are not strictly racist. It's a respect for their heritage oftentimes, but still it's often too spicy for many people.
So black supremacy and racism is okay? You can't say that white pride is racist then turn around and say the exact same thing applied to every other group is okay, that itself is racism.(Personally, I think pride in one's race is idiotic, but at least I'm consistent with that view).
Well statistically if we combine the two largest white supremacist groups in the nation together, at their highest estimates, and rounded up, and adding a thousand we have a total of 10,000 white supremacists in the united states, a nation of 220,000,000 white people. However if we do the same for black supremacists, we have the same number but in a nation with about 42 million black people i. e. about five times as many per capita. In addition to that blacks are 150% more likely to commit a hate crime compared to whites based upon the statistical data we have.
In addition to all of that though, BLM has burned homes, business's, looted and rioted and even killed people in twenty different cities while white supremacist groups have. . . done absolutely nothing (for the past fifty years or so no less). So that is how black supremacy is more dangerous because its actually a thing. However I can't help but notice that you never argued that black supremacy was wrong, that is very telling. So are your parents racist as well or just you?
@hellionthesagereborn your statistics are bullshit cause if they where real you’d provid links to researched information.
So let me help you out with some actual researched information:
Black people can't be supremacists/racist towards white people because they do not hold the power to do so.
European white folks where the ones that created the concept of race, white folks where the ones making a system of national social order based off of the superiority and inferiority of someone’s skin.
53 representatives, and 3 senators today are black compared to the 79% of Congress that is white.
Black people didn’t export supremacy theories and governance styles across the globe either.
There is absolutely nothing deemed superior or supreme about the descendants of enslaved people in America. White America not only affirmed we weren’t supreme in their original Constitution, but they made it so by the way they’ve overtly and covertly neglected and mistreated Black people. No other group of people was mentioned as inferior in our constitution EXCEPT Black people.
My statistics are not bullshit, I don't provide them anymore because people like you ignore them. Studies have shown that the more you try to convince some one of something, the more actual proof you provide the more certain they are that they are correct and you are not. I could provide them if you would read them but we both know you wouldn't (or you would say every one is racist and that is why the statistics cannot be trusted or some other bullshit like that because that is how it always is).
As for your statement, the fact that I have to explain what racism is to you is quite insane, but here it is, according to the oxford dictionary: ""[t]he theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race"; the same dictionary termed racism a synonym of racialism : "belief in the superiority of a particular race"." So what your saying is incorrect. Its also discrimination based upon race making it also racist. In addition to all of that you would have to be able to provide an argument that black people don't have power yet with laws that we have blacks have more rights arguablly then whites and more privileges as well.
The fact that you don't see the irony in saying that you cannot be racist towards a different race because its okay when its directed towards them is kind of insane (and just further evidence that you wouldn't bother reading any of my sources if I gave them).
As for the statements you made after that, completely false and you have no evidence of that (because its not true. Go to africa, see if they don't divide themselves up into groups, look at history and see if people didn't do that before (they did).
As for "supremacist theories" well no, blacks didn't export them because they never had the technology to leave africa. Ottomans did, Asians did, but Africans never where able to leave africa other then the burbers of north africa who only went across the mediteranian (and enslaved more whites then African slaves ever crossed the atlantic let alone came to the US).
So agian, you are incorrect. But if you like I can maybe find some time to go and list my sources so that you can then find some other excuse for why your racism and hate is okay because whites are not human beings in your eyes, if you would like?
Yes, these people exist but the problem is that they aren't as big of a deal as the media is making them out to be. I remember from when I was a kid, the KKK was such a non-issue that the group is the butt of jokes. Now all the sudden we are acting like they are all powerful and I think we're giving them way too much credit.
You know what? I think the radical left isn't that much different. With the "white privilege" or all the other crap that has "white" as the precursor, it sounds like they also believe that the whites are the superior race but instead of an all powerful force of good, its evil and I think both are ridiculous.
Since people with your mentality, keep calling all white people racist. Then if we are racist or not, we are all considered to be racist. So I guess we should be even if we are not. The arm in the air with a closed fist was the Black Power sign of the radical Black Panthers. If a white person would display a similar sign there would be riots in the neighborhood destroying local businesses and city blocks. How many white people died in the civil war to end slavery?
I find all of these activist organisations highly dubious. This is one of many. We should try to separate the quotations of the movement from the kind of people that may join it. Either or both may not be something you want to associate your name with.
I can't stress it any more than I already have. BLM was not invented to “praise” their own race. It’s to stand up to racism and discrimination, specifically against black people, since of all the horrible things being done to them, and continue to be done. White people, I’m also white by the way, have not experienced segregation, racism by a whole other race, harassment, death, or even worse maybe. The whole point of white pride is to point out that their race is more important or just as important, meaning it deserves just as much attention as BLM. Wrong. White people are born with privilege, and yes, every race has their own privileges. So don’t tell me “well, black people have privileges too” cause the difference between them is huge. When people think BLM is about “defining people’s skin Color” it’s absolute bullshit. Like I’ve already stated, BLM and ALM or any race being discriminated and harassed is NOT to point out their skin Color
I don't think there's any problem with being proud of your own nationality and culture. The fact that this is being compared to nazis means they should probably do more things like this. People have been talking about minorities a lot, white people can also appreciate their own roots. Personally I don't care about my roots too much, I see myself as a world citizen. I've lived in 4 countries in the last 5 years and been to 10 countries in that time. All been the same to me.
