Does working out lead to "Toxic masculinity" ?

[Anonymous]

[NaultD]

No in of itself but context matters. As a headline being a hook intentionally avoid context "a hook, line, and sinker" situation to sell you spamming advertisements. You have done them an additional courtesy of spreading those ad revenue opportunity On your question, job well done if they say so.

To really answer your question, if it's for you for your own sake and that's all there is too it. It makes you happy. Not toxic. Loving and passion of the processes step by step is amenable. The end result is secondary. Become you want more of the process.

On the other hand, wanting the end result for the sake of the end result is toxic. It's like an addiction like drugs or gambling. Chasing the high. Those don't end well.

Fall in love with the process with every step of life. That's how you get better, that's how you can take calculated risks to push beyond your limits. Wanting the end result just leaves misery. Doing it is misery, getting what you want is misery, failing once twice third time your done. When there is no love, there is no will to fight.

[SupremeWarlord]

No.

But sexist men are more likely to hit the gym, the workout itself doesn't turn him into a sexist, but his previous sexist ideas play a certain role on how he wants to assert his dominance, and a strong physique can help him to achieve that:https://www.livescience.com/21172-men-sexist-attitudes-muscles.html

But this is a complex discussion, working out is also a result of media consumption and trying to stay hot for the ladies, or just purely for health benefits, therefore not all muscular men are sexist.

And at the end of the day you can always question these studies' methods, but I believe it to be a consistent result, unfortunately:https://www.google.com/search?q=muscular+men+are+more+sexist&oq=muscular+men+are+more+sexist&aqs=chrome..69i57.5066j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Dinklex3]

That's a troll post, lmao.

The article says "Unfortunately, castration is not an option for humans at this point in time due to the lack of research in the field of synthetically engineered sperm which is necessary for procreation.

– Anonymous Medical Doctor with a PhD."

Come on now, lol.

[A_Bell]

I've read that men with low testosterone are more likely to be abusive than men with normal or high testosterone.

From my experience, it seems that way. Strong, confident men don't need to beat women to make them selves feel better. Weak beta males have to find someone smaller than them.

[Stargazer900]

It’s also not that simple and it is weighted. Too much confidence can make people entitled. Like a god complex. Believing they can do whatever they want. These people can be even more dangerous than the latter.

[Buick9871]

Why don't we poll NFL players wives and see what they say. Dig up Nicole Simpson too, for that matter. Jesus Christ.

[A_Bell]

@Buick9871 how many NFL players do you know?

You are picking an unrepresentative group that likely is a product of high end jock culture than anything else.

Also, what stats do you have except for a few cases that become national news stories because they are celebrities.

[MzAsh]

Obviously no. That website is a bad attempt at satire.

[TurboKid]

I read what might have been a similar article long ago from the Guardian claiming that working out makes you right-wing. As absurd as it sounds, I actually think they have a point.

If anyone accomplishes a big personal goal successfully whether it's a fitness goal or starting their own business or excelling academically, I think they start to sympathize a bit less with the kind of victim mentality often championed by the left. It gives you this sense that anyone can accomplish their goals if they put their mind to it.

[TurboKid]

It's like the left might want to blame things like the fast-food industry for obesity. Whereas the right might just blame someone for eating poorly and not working out for obesity. I think working out might push people further to the right in this sense.

[TurboKid]

With masculinity, I think at the heart of it is accountability, self-sufficiency, and discipline. I do think working out can strengthen those traits in an individual. I don't think it's a bad thing at all though.

[DemonDobby420]

If anything it counters that toxicity because your body is becoming a machine, much stronger than the vast majority of the population. So it would be much easier to resolve every situation with a strong arm, but a person thats worked their way to those sizes most certainly will not like the easy road. My father is a body builder in our country, he was also very physical with his ways of discipline, however I've found that the bigger he's gotten, the more in control he seems of every situation. Mannerisms, placements of words, very in control
Another stunning example would be Dwayne Johnson. Salt of the earth that bastard.

[HiveBee]

This is like incel mentality. Incels and losers of many kinds believe men who lift weights must be "toxic bros."

In reality, the lifting community is amazing. Positive, helpful, loving.

I can't stand people. Lifting weights does not cause toxic masculinity. Its so annoying that someone would say that I want to smack a motherfucker. (Omg he's toxic!) Lmao. Jesus.

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile she is promoting female-only MMA and boxing classes and powerlifting for women.

Toxic masculinity is a myth. Do some men act violent? How is that related to masculinity? How about we all attribute every single negative thing that a women does to femininity and then call it toxic.

Women are incredibly deceptive and deceitful. That sounds like classic Toxic femininity to me. Aborting babies, killing their own children. More toxic femininity. Cheating on their partners. Toxic feminist behavior

[Catlover1999]

Men should stop doing exercise, only eat junk food, watch an excessive amount of porn and remain single. They’ll be incredibly depressed but hey at least they won’t exhibit “toxic masculine” traits.

[BeMuse]

The only people that think about that concept are soyboys boys, fags, trannies, and feminists. So working out and keeping healthy tend to avoid the concept all together. The reality is that your soy soaked bones are so absent of masculinity that you have a masculinity deficiency and the heir of strength around you makes you go home and cry due to your low self-esteem. The problem isn’t men, it’s your mental health issues.

[Oppressed_Leecher]

LoL I live in a liberal city and all the gay dudes are buff, does that make them toxic as well or does it only apply to straight buff men? 😊 the crazyness of these libs

[Uannoyme]

I think this article was written by some woman who has a big life insurance policy on her man.

But seriously, what are men supposed to do? Sacrifice their own health and well being to satisfy some feminist?

[coachTanthony]

-----------There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. There is only masculinity... and then we have assholes who misbehave. Nothing more. You do you.

"Men who don't face their own pain are often prone to inflict it on others."
~Coach T Anthony @thedatecoach IG

[Qdbrown]

Only if you drink a lot of a cheap liquor while working out and get really angry and forget why you're working out. And then you start throwing dumbbells at other people and staff while screaming in old English excerpts from Chaucer's Cantubury Tales.

[JesseJayNeak]

This is what I call a "bruh moment" article
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OGC.60bb6d6715cba44e95548d24f4295c5e&pid=Api&rurl=https%3a%2f%2fmedia.giphy.com%2fmedia%2fl0HU3uWxRJ52SEmoU%2fgiphy.gif&ehk=zXvJb6lmUpv%2fpcG5oL03taA0v3GWmhC67B6Sz36sROE%3d

[ImproveEveryDay]

I'm laughing at the thought of a guy working out, going home, looking himself in the mirror, noticing some muscle growth and thinking, "Damn... If I continue like this, I can... I can start owning my woman! I can... I can put her in her place! I can be a part of any fight and come out on top! Yes! The power... it's corrupting me!"

I'm joking of course. Toxic masculinity was already in the person's head well before they started working out. If anything, working out has only made them more confident to show their true colors. But it doesn't mean that just cuz you do some push-ups you begin to develop the mentality of slapping a Barbie doll from a boy's hand. That wouldn't make sense.

[BCA6010]

I think/know a lot of people act REALLY stupid after a workout high, so the claim isn't totally unfounded, except I'm willing to bet the author is really just pissed off that fit women are generally more attractive than pink-haired feminazis. Or just needed to write something to get paid.

[AdithyaR]

Of course not, toxic masculinity simply means traits that are harmful for you or for people around that you do in the name of being masculine.
Working out and having muscles, not toxic masculinity.
Bullying someone for not having muscles, that's toxic masculinity.

[TheUniqueOne96]

I think a saw a video about this a while ago and a comment on it suggested it was a troll article or something like that.

Assuming it's real, she can fuck right off, lol.

[Asker]

I think its trolling based on a guardian article that said people who work out are right wingers or some nonsense like that.

[TheUniqueOne96]

Surprise, surprise, the writer is anonymous on social media too.

[TheUniqueOne96]

I guess there could be a link, like that. Sorry, I replied to my own opinion first before seeing yourself, in case what I said first seems a bit out of place, I were just looking to add that first. NM, if men were to follow suit, with that, which they won't, you'd probably get articles like this anyway: What Happened to Men being Men? ↗

[Jaumet]

I'm sorry, but are you hoping that this is true and that is why you would bring up some nobody's opinion about "Does working out lead to "Toxic masculinity"? I would counter that by saying lazy fat fucks who don't workout are the main cause of low self-esteem, a severe lack of self-confidence and an Incel attitude towards women cause they can't get any. Get a freaking life and stop trying to find excuses not maintain a healthy physical and mental state that working out will give you.

[Asker]

No sane person would hope this is true

[Jaumet]

No doubt! So, have you been diagnosed as not being clinically psychotic... you know like with delusions, voices in your head, seeing people that after years never get older or perhaps thinks you have been implanted with devices that can influence what you do and think and record and transmit everything you see, hear and think back to a central reporting agency? Because that is like totally against the law, and nobody we know would ever do that to a human being! It wouldn't matter if they were considered a clear and present danger as a terrorist planning insidious plans with their team members who were like to release nerve gas in the NY subway. Nope, we would most definitely never violate your rights.

[Asker]

What are you taking about. It's just a slilly question. Chill

[Jaumet]

Ok, I'm chill are you?

[Jaumet]

By the way, you never answered why you brought his uo? What is you motivation in even promoting this crap that you have just now done? Who in the hell needed you to put that crap into peoples mind? I want an answer as to why you were compelled to spread this bullshit at all? Yet you say "No sane person would hope this is true" so why would you promote it if you did not believe it true for you!

[Anonymous]

That's definite bs. Working out makes one fit and disciplined. Whoever said that working out is toxic definitely hasn't worked out. Sure obsessiving too much over anything is bad but why is looking after your physical and mental health toxic anyways? Modern feminism is just trying to make everyone lazy and weak

[Soteris]

Toxic masculinity is defined as a masculine stereotype that is harmful to either the individual or society. Working out in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing but as with most things there are ways for it to be turned against you. A good example is for example people who feel pressured into building as large muscles as they can and start using steroids or other harmful substances or training practices to get there. This is often tied into their feeling of being "masculine" which would make it toxic masculinity.

[Asker]

You make no sense.

[Soteris]

Now that is a scary statement. Alright, ill break out the crayons for you.

Lets say you start working out to build muscles because you or others around you consider muscular men to be the definition of masculinity and you want to feel masculine. However getting the results you imagine by watching magazines, TV and the expectations of other people is too hard for you or it might even be impossible especially if you want the results in weeks or months.

As such the only realistic option you have for getting the masculine body that you want would either be through training methods that destroys your body in the long run or substance abuse that also ruins your body.

Congratulations you have now harmed yourself in the pursuit of masculinity AKA toxic masculinity.

[Asker]

Yeah , that has nothing to do with masculinity.

[Soteris]

But it has. For many people muscles are a sign of masculinity and people with less muscles are considered less manly. This is not arguable. Since you have now established a metric to measure someones masculinity you also have the scenario where men are pressured or forced to achieve the greatest results due to things like social pressure or personal insecurity. Men who can't for one reason or another endure life without the validation of feeling masculine through the process of building large muscles.

However muscles are not necessarily easily gained and the large body builders are pretty much impossible for a normal man without assistance from things such as drugs. For many people the only way to gain an acceptable result is to use drugs or harmful methods and the main reason they have a necessity to get those results is an unrealistic body expectation born from the imagine of masculinity and the social expectation of masculine men.

[Anonymous]

Who knows, who cares

Soon the feminists will have to contend with the brotherhood who will separate men and women who are unmarried into different walled off continents so they can kill the men (which let's be honest the feminists will love all this so far) but abuse and molest the women as has been shown by small scale trails of members of the brotherhood especially in Northern England

[MCheetah]

This is either a troll article or a total retard. Either way, not worth the time focusing on.

[Inbox]

All this woke, progressive, cancel culture nonsense is going way too far...