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As someone who works in the prison system, I despise when people talk about "rehab."
It's all a load of crap. She will never change, because it's beyond her control. And no amount of punishment will change her fucked up brain.
One of the things that most all people get wrong is... they think prison is a bad place. It's not. I've seen addicts like her LOVE prison, because the demons can't get to her in prison. I believe that someday there will be a medical cure for addiction, but until then, there needs to be an alternative society for people like the lady you mentioned.
She will lead a far better life in prison, than she will being back on the streets, screwing for fentanyl and living in alleys.
It's easy to hate her, but who I really hate are the drug dealers, China who is pumping this shit across our borders, and Biden who thinks securing the border is a political joke.
Is it common knowledge that fentanyl proliferizes to breast milk? She should have been thinking this possibility BUT I have heard FAR worse.
I'm just going by what the news article said. But babies can be born with disabilities because of alcohol , smoking, or drug use by the mother so it stands to reason that it could happen.
Well an horrendous piece of motherhood no doubt , some should never have children but her addiction killed the boy , why possibly breast feed when he was 4 ? So obviously there were other issues..
I was tempted by A , but I dont think there is much punishment there
This is a highly addictive drug , that really should have never been available , now she may have found something else , without hearing the case , and assuming she didn't mean to kill her son , the 5 years cleaning up and working with homeless " maybe " might be the triggar for something positive in her case.
People like this , imagine the poor kids first 4 years , he just had zero hope , even if he had lived , its very sad.
Prison time for sure. I understand why some people are saying she should be sterilized, and I don't think she should have another kid either. But I think turning forced sterilization into a punishment is extremely fucked up and also a slippery slope given how many women are already being sterilized against their will
Are you talking about Indians in Canada?
Not only them, but yes. There have also be disabled people who were sterilized without their consent, and there are more and more accounts of it happening at the US/Mexico border. It has happened or continues to happen in Japan, Sweden, Australia, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Slovakia, Switzerland, and Iceland
Do you think rapists and other sex offenders should be sterilized against their will too if it is court ordered?
On an emotional level I really want to say yes because I know so many people who have been sexually abused, myself included. I really do understand the desire to want to castrate or sterilize rapists and sexual abusers, especially repeat offenders.
But I still think that opens up a really slippery slope because it wouldn't stop at sex offenders. Or at sterilization. Once we open the door to physically altering someone's body as a punishment, where could that lead?
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u 20 years supervised probation with three times weekly drug testing
2,000 hours of community service working in a hospital
Well she won't have much of a life but still better than prison.
i’ll give her man slaughter and treatment i’m pretty sure by the fact she actually tried to feed her baby that she wasn’t actively looking to harm it she was just a sick idiot and deserves punishment for her decision but it wasn’t an act of malice. this dumb bitch is stuck in addiction and i’ve seen worse treatment of children by opioid addicts who resent the fact they have to take care of a baby they made and are viciously cruel. so maybe i’m being to soft but that’s why i’m not a judge lol i would guess that she’s devastated. at the same time i wouldn’t be mad at her getting murder and life either
The fact she probably realized it after sobering up that she caused the death of her child indirectly is going punish her with guilt alone for the rest of her life so I don’t know exactly what they should do to her except put her in some type of institution for a long time to straighten her out or do real time in jail if she can’t stay clean
If she had cared about her kid she would have cleaned herself up I would think although I know sometimes addictions are hard to beat. But like you said, some kind of rehabilitation might be beneficial and maybe she would have some real remorse for the death of her child.
Yeah I heard addiction is really bad
Lifetime in imprisonment and/or maybe execution ( I don’t really support execution in this case but it does pisses me off when people abuse children)
I think life would be a bit too extreme as it was not premeditated murder.
I could see life on prison as a perfectly fine punishment. Murder usually is punished by life or death so it seems fit that since a child was killed the punishment should be more extreme then usual. Although I am not sure whether or not this death was on purpose or not.
Considering the fact that someone who kills a pregnant woman can be charged with 2 murders, why not?
This is so sad she was doing something so motherly and ended up killing her child. It's like she was trying to be attentive but was negligent at the same time, I guess that's what drung do to you. I don't know what sentence I would give but maybe manslaughter would be okay if she can prove it wasn't malicious.
It was a indirect death. She shouldn't be sentence to prison, but rather a medical mental health institution or drug program.
She was too addle brained by drugs to consider the fact that taking drugs into the body transfer those drugs through nursing to her baby. She should be put away and forcefully not being able to access drugs as she would never be able to do it through a drug treatment program. Too many people in those programs go right back to it the first time they can't handle day to day living.
You are talking as if she had such medical knowledge that her baby will ingest fentanyl through breast-feeding.
She didn't seem to care to check though.
Evidence of that?
The kid dying was proof.
How she would know her baby is dying of fentanyl poisoning?
Like I said you are assuming she had such medical knowledge that breast feeding while under fentanyl will translate from her breast to the death of the baby.
Like I said, Google is a good thing and she could easily have found out before doing it.
Your logic and line reasoning makes no sense. It simply won't hold up in court with lawyers.
Then she will probably be let off. I have seen people doing a lot worse and being let off with a slap on the wrist. Seems no one is being held accountable for their crimes these days.
Hard call. Not sure if it’s manslaughter, or if it’s something lesser like negligence related cause of death.
For the courts to rule on I guess. What would you say a punishment should be?
Cut of her nipples, fry them into chips and make her eat them.
Ouch! Chips with some small hairs in them. Crunchy!
Shit like this makes me sick & the odds are she will OD within the near future.
I would hope the hell of knowing she killed her child would eat at her soul in a terrible way but I think some years locked in a cell reflecting on her life and the mistakes she made should do some kind of good.
Well it wouldn't hurt.
I am not sure of the laws regarding 'diminished responsibility' but a 4 year old being breast fed? That sounds a bit old for breast feeding to me.
I have heard of children even older still being breast fed.
At least 10 years in jail people like her is such a crime to humanity.
Show her some mercy. It doesn't sound intentional. Many girls killing babies every day and it is legalised. Please cut her some slack.
And what would your merciful punishment be then? Baking cookies for an old folk's home?
Unless it was on purpose. I've seen a lot of articles lately of parents killing their children for various reasons.
That’s up to you to decide I don’t have the conscious to make decision on something like that. I’m a kind caring heart I don’t have it in me to be a. executioner
What would you do it some fentanyl addled dip killed one of your family members? Or maybe it was your sister, if you have one, who did this and killed your nephew?
Water board her with homeless piss everyday for a decade. Then maybe she could be sent to a normal prison.
shouldn't this be a state problem for giving her pain pills while breast feeding?
i get you
Pain pills? I don't think she was given, more like bought.
those are prescribed. where'd she get them?
What should be the punishment for poor 3rd world brainless people for brining babies into this world in those huge numbers simply so more people can suffer?
You tell us.
I don't know. Probably the same.
I would force her to take over someone else's child support payments.
I doubt she can even take care of herself.
20 years in Prison , early release if she ties her tubes and gets off the stuff.
I wouldn't. She made it so it is hers to do as she chooses.
Wait, what? So if you have a baby you have the right to kill it with no consequences?
If you make something, it should be yours. Therefore, if you make a baby you can kill it provided that occurs before other people have invested time or money and thereby also have an interest in the baby. If you own a piece of firewood, carve it into the shape of a baby, since you make it, you own it.
That includes the right to add it to other wood in the fireplace.
The best protection and care babies have are their parents; certainly not the government which often does considerable harm with no consequences for the harm they do. Occasionally parents kill their babies and their gene which includes a tendency to kill their baby are not passed on to future generations. Whenever the state gets involved and prevents the baby from being killed, those genes are passed on the future generations and make the situation worse. In the near-term, it appears to be the right thing to do but in the long-term, the state creates more parents that kill their babies.
That is not unlike feeding the hungry that are incapable of earning enough to feed themselves. Herbert Spenser said, "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools." That also applies to feeding the hungry that lack normal abilities to earn enough to feed themselves.
Death by lethal injection, obviously! A slow drip of fentanyl , preferably.
It really depends whether we believe she did it on purpose or whether she's just a retard.
I'll go with retard for $20.
Slap on the wrist and maybe a few therapy sessions where refreshments will be served 😊 nobody is perfect
Death by Fentanyl.
Sure, give her time and she will do herself in.
A large caliber bullet in her forehead
I don't know. She seems half brain dead already.
25 years for manslaughter and child endangerment
Bury her alive with a bunch of aborted fetuses.
Prison. 20 years maybe
Treatment and a long prison sentence
Breastfed her 4 year old? How common is that?
What? you have never heard of fully grown men sucking breast milk out of a boob?
What ever is a good example for her and society.
Like what?
I cannot think of what exactly she can see it as punishment and opportunity to change for good.
I would execute her publicly
20 years plus mandatory sterilization.
Life
No idea.
Well I can see why you only have a 6% MHO.
Just being honest. It's a difficult question.
Some punishments leads to increasing harsher offenses.
So she shouldn't be punished in the same way a woman who breastfed her baby while using a drug if they baby didn't die.
But she shouldn't be punished the same as someone with intent.
She was given 20 years, you know, she's a former nurse, she should have know the consequences.
But it's her kid, it's not the same thing as a stranger, way more serious.
To answer that, I'd have to dive pretty deeply into jurisprudence surrounding such cases.
There you go. You did have an idea and your answer was good.
Death.
Death by overdose
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