They were socialists. In fact Hitlers propaganda minister Joseph Goebells wife poisoned their six children in Hitlers bunker as the Red Army was outside claiming she did not want her children growing up in a non socialist society
Nazis indeed were socialists, but, ***hot take***, we can't say that everything they did was bad. Our stupid society is just too immature to talk about it.
"If the nazis were socialist than why did the burn Karl Marxist"
Non sequitur. Karl Marx didn't own socialism... The German National Socialists created a new branch of socialism.
The bad thing about Nazis was a huge one, which was their extremely aggressive German Imperialism and resentment against non-Germans. Excluding those two points, I see no reason to say that their political project was bad.
I never said Karl Marx owned socialism? Karl Marx is the father of socialism and every socialist and communist till this day studies his readings and theory.
It’s counterintuitive to burn the very thing you seek to become.
The nazis were never National socialist or socialists, they were just Nazis.
Plan and simple, the only reason it was referred to as national socialist to begin with was to attract support from the working class.
Other than that Hitler explicitly said he was anti socialist and anti communist.
Which showed in the actions of the nazis as they actively suppressed unionization amongst workers.
Lastly, I have no idea what you’re referring to by their “political project” and I hope you realize that they wouldn’t be nazis if they weren’t nationalists and imperialist? That’s kind of the point and it seems weird how you’re trying to justify any of their actions as it’s up their with some of the most horrible shit that’s been committed in human history
"the only reason it was referred to as national socialist to begin with was to attract support from the working class."
The Nazis actually did a good lot for the German working class. They enacted generous welfare programs and quite a few projects to lower the cost of living and grow people's purchase power. They also had generous workers rights, arguably the most advanced pro-worker laws at the time.
"Other than that Hitler explicitly said he was anti socialist and anti communist"
Hitler and the Nazis were never against socialism. They were against Karl Marx's Jewishness, even though Marx was a known critic of the Jewish identity.
"Which showed in the actions of the nazis as they actively suppressed unionization amongst workers."
That's up to debate.
"wouldn’t be nazis if they weren’t nationalists and imperialist?"
As I said, they had a bad side, and it was a huge one.
"That’s kind of the point and it seems weird how you’re trying to justify any of their actions"
I'm making a cold analysis of history, something you're unable to do because you put your feelings above your will to understand how history operates.
"most horrible shit that’s been committed in human history"
You’re not educated enough to understand. Nazi is shorthand. The actual name of the party included the word socialist right in it. National Socialism is what it was.
its a name only thats it. that alone doesn't make them socialist. i suggest you learn what socialism is more before you condescendingly try to "educate" people
@Still-alive okay genius explain to me how the nazi party was not a national socialist party. Which policy of there’s did not fall in line? Facism, socialism, communism, all of them are the same kind of fucked to a libertarian. There was an extraordinary level of government intervention under hitler
@Still-alive you don’t understand how similar the systems are. You just read words and memorize them. No contact with reality. Typical amongst gamer nerds
@Still-alive the gist is all you ever get I think, the most general possible understanding, so unfocused that you can hardly make out what’s what. Keep on with that. Ignorance is bliss. Keep telling yourself the national socialist german workers party had nothing to do with socialism because some fucking article told you so. “Oh its only right wing loonies who say that, they were actually not socialist, it’s just a name” yeah that’s good research you do there buddy. Ask you about policies and look at you. You don’t even bother to mention a single policy. “DURR THE NAZIS FOUGHT COMMUNISTS, AND I THINK INTERNATIONAL COMMUNISTS ARE THE SAME AS NATIONAL SOCIALISTS CAUSE IM A DUMB FUCK AND SURELY SOCIALISTS won't FIGHT COMMUNISTS”
@Still-alive Why don’t you share your knowledge with me? I asked you to explain why the nazi party wasn’t socialist and you’re explanation sucked ass. Re read it. That is not an argument, not even close. Go on and assert something again tho, just keep talkin that shit with nothing to back it up
@Still-alive interesting take on that expression. Doesn’t actually make sense when you think about it though, might make sense to a dipshit idiot who thinks he knows everything but feels no need to prove it tho
Every regime is different. The Nazis may have practiced elements of Socialism. At the end of the day one militarist totalitarian regime is much like another. Remember the Horseshoe Theory.
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This is a case of ypu thinking emotionally about the words you're using. Socialist = positive. Nazi = negative. Therefore nazis being socialist is mind blowing to you.
It's because the old divide for "left" and "right" is not accurate anymore. The two-axed spectrum (division to world-view and economical features) makes it actually possible to place them anywhere.
Eh... I think the only way you could peg the Nazis as right wing is their hypernationalism. I don't even think you could call them "traditionalist" considering how much Hitler harped on "transforming the country". That's not the talk of someone who wants to return to tradition.
@BrosephBrostar I think you're correct, but removing the socialist label just because they're not on the left side of the lane is pretty strange, surely they would balance out to somewhere centre left/centre right but incredibly authoritarian?
Yeah, that's exactly where I peg them. They're center-authoritarian, not by nature of them being moderate, but by nature of them having a mixture of "far-left" and "far-right" policies, but then you're starting to get to why left and right are outdated for this political era.
THere's no such thing as friend in socialism. Socialists are fraudulent people, you can't believe a word they say. They act nice to your face and then stab you in the back. Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back when he invaded Poland.
this is quite controversial... but they had several typical characteristics of socialism... by the way... what has the president of brazil to do with nazism?
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They were socialists. In fact Hitlers propaganda minister Joseph Goebells wife poisoned their six children in Hitlers bunker as the Red Army was outside claiming she did not want her children growing up in a non socialist society
Sure it was socialism, as long as you're not black, Jewish, or gay.
It actually was still socialists regardless of your ethnic back ground or sexual orientation.
@bean2k121 how
@DaveJord yeah.. no
Just because they discriminated did change that they were socialist hunny.
Do you even know the philosophy of socialism or even Marxism?
So read and educate yourself before posting questions that make you look stupid. Its established academic fact.
Nazis indeed were socialists, but, ***hot take***, we can't say that everything they did was bad. Our stupid society is just too immature to talk about it.
If the nazis were socialist than why did the burn Karl Marxist books if he created the manifesto for socialism?
And what do you think the nazis accomplished that was so great?
"If the nazis were socialist than why did the burn Karl Marxist"
Non sequitur. Karl Marx didn't own socialism... The German National Socialists created a new branch of socialism.
The bad thing about Nazis was a huge one, which was their extremely aggressive German Imperialism and resentment against non-Germans. Excluding those two points, I see no reason to say that their political project was bad.
I never said Karl Marx owned socialism? Karl Marx is the father of socialism and every socialist and communist till this day studies his readings and theory.
It’s counterintuitive to burn the very thing you seek to become.
The nazis were never National socialist or socialists, they were just Nazis.
Plan and simple, the only reason it was referred to as national socialist to begin with was to attract support from the working class.
Other than that Hitler explicitly said he was anti socialist and anti communist.
Which showed in the actions of the nazis as they actively suppressed unionization amongst workers.
Lastly, I have no idea what you’re referring to by their “political project” and I hope you realize that they wouldn’t be nazis if they weren’t nationalists and imperialist? That’s kind of the point and it seems weird how you’re trying to justify any of their actions as it’s up their with some of the most horrible shit that’s been committed in human history
"the only reason it was referred to as national socialist to begin with was to attract support from the working class."
The Nazis actually did a good lot for the German working class. They enacted generous welfare programs and quite a few projects to lower the cost of living and grow people's purchase power. They also had generous workers rights, arguably the most advanced pro-worker laws at the time.
"Other than that Hitler explicitly said he was anti socialist and anti communist"
Hitler and the Nazis were never against socialism. They were against Karl Marx's Jewishness, even though Marx was a known critic of the Jewish identity.
"Which showed in the actions of the nazis as they actively suppressed unionization amongst workers."
That's up to debate.
"wouldn’t be nazis if they weren’t nationalists and imperialist?"
As I said, they had a bad side, and it was a huge one.
"That’s kind of the point and it seems weird how you’re trying to justify any of their actions"
I'm making a cold analysis of history, something you're unable to do because you put your feelings above your will to understand how history operates.
"most horrible shit that’s been committed in human history"
They didn't invent anything new in this aspect.
You’re not educated enough to understand. Nazi is shorthand. The actual name of the party included the word socialist right in it. National Socialism is what it was.
its a name only thats it. that alone doesn't make them socialist. i suggest you learn what socialism is more before you condescendingly try to "educate" people
And the "Best Party" from Iceland is clearly the best party since it says so in its actual name.
@Still-alive okay genius explain to me how the nazi party was not a national socialist party. Which policy of there’s did not fall in line? Facism, socialism, communism, all of them are the same kind of fucked to a libertarian. There was an extraordinary level of government intervention under hitler
it was fascist. but it was not socialist or communism... you fail at history...
the nazis FOUGHT communism...
@Still-alive you don’t understand how similar the systems are. You just read words and memorize them. No contact with reality. Typical amongst gamer nerds
you're right the soviets were actually right wing even though they also called themselves socialists.
@Still-alive you may want to re read this convo and re familiarize yourself with the plot here, I think you’ve lost track
nah i got the gist of it you ignorant pos
@Still-alive the gist is all you ever get I think, the most general possible understanding, so unfocused that you can hardly make out what’s what. Keep on with that. Ignorance is bliss. Keep telling yourself the national socialist german workers party had nothing to do with socialism because some fucking article told you so. “Oh its only right wing loonies who say that, they were actually not socialist, it’s just a name” yeah that’s good research you do there buddy. Ask you about policies and look at you. You don’t even bother to mention a single policy. “DURR THE NAZIS FOUGHT COMMUNISTS, AND I THINK INTERNATIONAL COMMUNISTS ARE THE SAME AS NATIONAL SOCIALISTS CAUSE IM A DUMB FUCK AND SURELY SOCIALISTS won't FIGHT COMMUNISTS”
big dumb.
You’re so dense lol
@Still-alive good argument. Too bad this isn’t college eh? Then your baseless assertions might actually convince people
You have zero understanding of what these terms mean or history. None
@Still-alive you never learned how to have an intelligent conversation. It’s really, really sad
I have and you are well below intelligent enough to get it
@Still-alive Why don’t you share your knowledge with me? I asked you to explain why the nazi party wasn’t socialist and you’re explanation sucked ass. Re read it. That is not an argument, not even close. Go on and assert something again tho, just keep talkin that shit with nothing to back it up
@Still-alive interesting take on that expression. Doesn’t actually make sense when you think about it though, might make sense to a dipshit idiot who thinks he knows everything but feels no need to prove it tho
Every regime is different. The Nazis may have practiced elements of Socialism. At the end of the day one militarist totalitarian regime is much like another. Remember the Horseshoe Theory.
This is a case of ypu thinking emotionally about the words you're using. Socialist = positive. Nazi = negative. Therefore nazis being socialist is mind blowing to you.
Lmao this is looking historically. Hitler opposes socialism and communism, he burned Karl marxs books.
The entire concept of national socialism is contradictory because socialism is an inherently anti nationalist, anti fascist belief.
No it isn't. Thats communism. Fredrich Nietzsche was a contemporary of Marx with more Nationalistic views, and that's who Hitler admired
Complicated party. Mix of "left wing" economics and being socially "right wing" makes it hard for normal people to place them anywhere
It's because the old divide for "left" and "right" is not accurate anymore. The two-axed spectrum (division to world-view and economical features) makes it actually possible to place them anywhere.
Eh... I think the only way you could peg the Nazis as right wing is their hypernationalism. I don't even think you could call them "traditionalist" considering how much Hitler harped on "transforming the country". That's not the talk of someone who wants to return to tradition.
@BrosephBrostar I think you're correct, but removing the socialist label just because they're not on the left side of the lane is pretty strange, surely they would balance out to somewhere centre left/centre right but incredibly authoritarian?
Yeah, that's exactly where I peg them. They're center-authoritarian, not by nature of them being moderate, but by nature of them having a mixture of "far-left" and "far-right" policies, but then you're starting to get to why left and right are outdated for this political era.
Since there is socialist in the name if it's translated, yes. Fact is you can call anything whatever you want, but it doesn't make it so.
A Nationalist believes in Nationhood/Borders. Hitler didn't believe in Borders, He was a socialist.
Hitler wasn’t a nationalist? Did you pass your middle school social studies class
Lmaoo
Bwahahaha! Losers always try to insult when they become mentally Bankrupt.
Pssst... Hitler and Stalin were bestest buddies before WW2. They both had a land grab deal which Hitler broke.
If they’re best buds than why did Hitler break the alliance 😎
I’ll give your brain a moment to process this
THere's no such thing as friend in socialism. Socialists are fraudulent people, you can't believe a word they say. They act nice to your face and then stab you in the back. Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back when he invaded Poland.
this is quite controversial... but they had several typical characteristics of socialism... by the way... what has the president of brazil to do with nazism?
Keep in tune with America now. You decide.
Because politically they where😂 pretty good reason to call th3m that
The Nazi political party's official name was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
They also called the gas chambers something quite different to the people matched into them too…
*marched
Nazis were fascists and beyond that they were genocidal meth abusing maniacs.
Explain to me how they were not? Were they capitalists?
Yes, there primary goal was to enrich the Germans population, by taking from the Jews, Poles and others.
Nazi is short for national socialist party. Or are they not teaching you history in school anymore?
What did the nazis do that was socialist?
Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party basically everything they did was socialism; they were the original socialists.
I have always wondered where the letter "T" in Nazi is? Why is it invisible?
They were called the National Socialist German Workers Party. It’s literally In their name
And North Korea calls itself as a “dictatorship of peoples democracy” I guess that means they’re democratic
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I'm just gonna sit this one out😂