Why are victims of sexual assault so often blamed for being assaulted?

[Subarugirl]

[ObscuredBeyond]

Here's the thing: were the facts of the case known and analyzed, or did everyone just assume? And Demonics below makes a valid point: the majority of "rapists" aren't serial monsters that jump out of bushes with guns and clubs, completely overpower women, drag them to some cabin somewhere, and threaten to cut them up with a chainsaw if they won't have sex.

That makes about 2% of all rapes. Except in the movies and TV, where it's the norm. The majority of the time, the woman was also doing something stupid / illegal; and the man simply took advantage of her stupidity.

This in no way justifies his behavior. But neither does it justify hers. Guilt isn't an all-or-nothing, zero-sum game. If the woman were genuinely being an imbecile; she needs to be held accountable. But the man must also be held accountable. They are equally accountable, according to their levels of guilt.

"Victim-blaming" is not legitimate analysis. "Victim-blaming" is when someone breaks into a house just to look for women to rape at gunpoint, not knowing if one will be inside or not, finds one, the victim stood no chance, and she's still blamed for it.

This usually isn't done by someone who "hates all women," as the po (o) pular narrative goes. It's usually done by someone with some vested political / financial interest in protecting the perpetrator. Or, it's done by someone with some political derangement syndrome, who is consumed with an irrational hatred for the victim due to party / ideology / what-have-you.

Most Kyle haters don't hate him for being male (a few pink-haired weirdos, maybe.) They hate him, because his refusal to let Rosenbaum murder him meant that the Marxist Revolution that the evildoers in Kenosha sought was no longer a "flawless victory." They had to actually accept casualties on their side for committing acts of war - something they were assured wouldn't happen, since citizens were denied their gun rights under constitution-violating state (f) law. And, because police were issued stand-down orders in a war zone - which was capital malfeasance on Evers' part!

Instead of witchhunting for "misogynists" if you think there's legitimate victim-blaming going on, you'd be better off adhering to the old adage of "Follow the Money."

[nickstaa]

Good , fair response.

[Subarugirl]

You do realize that the majority of sexual assault victims are minors right? Also that the perpetrators of sexual assault area repeat offenders..

[Cheechee4me]

Why are you blaming for being assaulted when I was a child? I never did anything to deserve that. Shame on you.

[Cheechee4me]

Sorry not you subarugirl talking to Obscured.

[Subarugirl]

@Cheechee4me oh no worries girl, I know

[ObscuredBeyond]

@Cheechee4me : Still trying to find the point where I explicitly and specifically accused you of anything. I don't remember that conversation.

[cloud9vortex1234]

Well Said

[Diodoro]

I say this respectfully, especially as someone who has both friends and family who dealt with sexual assault and rape.

In many situations, victims share partial blame for their circumstances because they put themselves in bad situations that a reasonable person would know is not safe. Then something bad happened after they made that poor decision.

That can't be discounted from the conversation. It's wrong. It sucks. The men shouldn't have done it. At the same time we can acknowledge when women were acting like a fucking idiot and should have known better.

If I have a daughter I'm not going to tell her the world needs to change, so do whatever you want without regard for your safety. I'll teach my daughter to be smart and protect herself so she never has to deal with this.

This topic tends to have a side whose base premise is "teach men not to rape" as if that's an argument. Tell criminals to not do bad things. That doesn't work nor will it ever work. We need to treat the world as it is and if we have to point out when girls made poor decisions aswell so we can avoid other girls making the same dumb decisions. Then so be it

Remember that there's a large majority of men out here that don't want our women raped or assaulted too. We look at this in a way of, what can we DO so that doesn't happen. Suggesting doing this is victim blaming is inherently self defeating and you're effectively shooting yourself in the foot by promoting the message that women have no power in their outcomes.

[Diodoro]

Thanks for MHO 🙌

[Daniela1982]

It sometimes depends on your choices. Two girls go to a bar and leave to party with 3 guys and wind up dead. True story by the way. If you choose to tempt fate don't be surprised if fate takes the bait. How many sexual assaults wind up with murder? I'd say a lot. Just try and be careful that you don't wind up in the wrong place at the wrong time. And sure, most sexual assaults are totally unexpected or provoked. This is just the state of the world we presently live in. Tip of the day: Don't cut through a dark alley walking on your way home from work.

[Subarugirl]

You realize that most victims of sexual assault are minors, and the majority of people who have been sexually assaulted are by someone they know.

[Daniela1982]

That is probably true. And probably also true when they wind up murdered. No witness, no one to tell on them. Lots are assaulted by an Ex or even a present boyfriend.

[SkyCastle90]

Most don't report the assault right away when the edvience are fresh; once you take that shower or let your wounds heal, it's his/her word against yours. In some cases, the assault isn't reported at all until years later. At that point, you'll need witness testimony or other victims to speak out, unless the rapist admits to his own crimes.

I'm unsure of the statistics on how many sexual assaults don't receive justice, but those are the common reasons I've notices when a case flashes in the news here and there.

[SkyCastle90]

Sorry. "Admits to his/her own crimes."

[OlderAndWiser]

Because it seems that some victims of sexual assaults placed themselves in positions of danger with little regard for their own safety and with a blatant disregard for the known risk of sexual assault. Do you leave the doors on your house unlocked at night? Do you leave the keys in your ignition and the doors unlocked when you park your car downtown? Would you let your 14 year old daughter invite some guys to the house to go skinnydipping in the pool when you are not there?

Blaming a victim for putting themselves in a position of danger does NOT mean that someone does not plae primary blame on the assailant.

[Joeshamo]

@OlderAndWiser I was as old and as wise as you.

[Subarugirl]

Did you know that the majority of sexual assault victims are minors and are more likely than not be abused by someone they know? I was 7 when I was sexually assaulted by my grandfather, my husband was 6 when he was raped by the boy next door… the fact is that what you’re describing is such a small minority of what actually happens.

[Joeshamo]

@Subarugirl shit I didn’t even read what he wrote.

[Joeshamo]

@Subarugirl I’m so sorry that about that. No child should never have to go through that.

[FTnWo]

O left the keys in the ignition in a small town in my driveway and the car got jacked

[OlderAndWiser]

I don't know if the majority of such victims are minors but I certainly don't blame minors who are not capable of making reasoned judgments for themselves. I also don't know anyone else who blames minors for such things happening. Finally, my comment began "SOME victims of sexual assaults placed themselves in positions of danger" and that clearly does not apply to the children you describe. If you want to be angry at someone, find another target.

[Godawfulwasteofspace]

It’s a part of that conspiracy theory by anti feminist groups. They believe that women have too many privileges thanks to feminism, the feminist are taking over academia, spearing cultural Marxism, and that feminist hate white men. Usually they try to claim that the victims are falsely accusing the men of rape and the system is against men and it favors women’s rights over men’s rights “this is what 3rd wave feminism is doing to our Society” they like to say. And if you look at the MRA (men rights movement) they also push the cultural Marxist conspiracy theory as well. They claim that what they are trying to do is help men, but they’ve been around for decades and when you look at what they’ve done for men in all that time they’ve almost did nothing. I think they made women a part of the draft or something like that. No shelters for men, nothing. That’s how a lot of the anti feminist groups operate. If you look at some of the big anti feminist you tubers some of them are pulling in 80k a month. They’ve got the money to help men, but they don’t. They just use their loyal followers to make a quick buck off of them. Especially the female MRAs. Hope that answers you question.

[HighValue]

1. Many false accusations.
2. Some were willing at the time then later on decided "no" even months after they had sex and claim assault.
3. When a woman is under the influence of alcohol it is "rape," but when a man is under the influence of alcohol and can't give legal consent it is perfectly okay with society. Raping men is totally acceptable by society. Many women are actually raping men from bars/clubs by legal definition every single day and get away with it and other women find it to be acceptable.

Those are some of the reasons why "victims" aren't (and shouldn't be) taken seriously.

I have personally been falsely accused multiple times and if it wasn't for cameras in some instances, and multiple witnesses in others I would have been screwed over. At least the proven liars received no punishment at all ever. Women get that privilege. Make false accusations that can ruin someone's life and there is no punishment for it.

2 different people that falsely accused even admitted it was false and still no punishment.

I also know 2 other guys that I worked with before that were falsely accused (proven false by the same means) and there was no punishment for it.

My dad was falsely accused by a girl that wanted him after he refused her advances. Luckily my mom was outside near the window and could hear the entire conversation.

False accusations happen a lot, but so many liars never admit it.
I will vote not guilty on every single jury for sexual assault/rape charges any time I am selected for a jury the rest of my life unless there is video and audio evidence of the incident.

[Subarugirl]

Only about 2% of rape allegations are false.. meanwhile every 68 seconds some is sexually assaulted. Most victims of sexual assault are minors, and less than 10 % of perpetrators will be charged with a felony.

[crmoore]

With all due respect, but I'd imagine the extent in which you believe they are is likely inflated. I don't think it's common at all. But we also need to set our emotions aside and look at a situation objectively.

Aside from cases that are actually intended to bait people into certain acts (which does happen, but before you flip out, I fully acknowledge these are incredibly rare and are entirely negligible statistical outlier, I'm not saying this is even remotely common by comparison. But it does happen, I've personally spoken to women on many occasions who have done this), it is never, ever a woman's fault for being sexually harassed. But that doesn't mean there isn't criticism to be had.

You can tell a sexual assaulter not to sexually assault all day. But the type of people who sexually assault aren't the most considerate, reasonable people. You can't guarantee that you won't be sexually assaulted by telling society not to sexuslly assault. But you can tremendously lower the odds of you being sexuakly assaulted by the decisions you make.

So I ask you, would you rather ask society not to sexually assault and trust that it worked, or make decisions that heavily decrease your odds of being sedually assaulted? You can't guarantee the control of the actions of others. But you can control your actions. In one instance, you're putting yourself in the hands of others, and in the other instance you're taking matters into your own hand. The actions of a victim aren't entirely irrelevant to whether someone was sexually harassed.

The analogy I like to use is if someone was at a public library and left their laptop unattended whole they used the bathroom, if they'll laptop was stolen, it isn't their "fault" for having their laptop stolen, buy they were being careless with their actions which gave more room for bad actors to take action.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

I agree that things like "be careful with you you hang out with", "don't walk alone at night", "don't drink to much", etc are all things you can say to everyone to prevent bad things from happening. Just like "don't leave your PC alone in a public place".
Sure.

As long as none of that is used as an excuse for the sexual predator. I believe we agree on this. Sadly that happens even in court rooms, but that's another discussion.

The only point I want to make is this...
While I agree that after the bad thing happened we can say "You shouldn't have left your PC alone". I don't agree we should say "You shouldn't have been alone in the middle of the night". The psycholocal impact these crimes have is very different and while I want the person who got the PC stolen feeling slightly guilty, I don't want to person who just got sexually assaulted to feel like that.

[crmoore]

I agree. There's a time and place for it to be said, certainly not right after, or possibly even soon after, an incident. They're likely not in the right headspace for that sort of things. And I'm not necessarily even saying it should be said to a victim directly. I was thinking more generally. Like if an incident occurs and it's on the news or something, it's not "victim blaming" for someone to express that their may have been decisions on their behalf that inclined the likelihood of this incident to occur, an indirect reminder that people need to look out for their own safety, not rely on immoral people to do the right thing.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

There will be people who disagree with you for the simple fact that victim blaming is far to common. And they fear that what you call as "indirect reminder" to be used as victim blaming.
I personally don't think that fear should prevent us from warning people to take necessary precautions.
Better to have some people misinterpreting what we mean than having actual more victims.

[crmoore]

I agree

[LittleMama3]

As a rape survivor I think there are several contributing factors.

Rape isn't treated like a severe crime, even child rapists and molesters get off easy. Anyone who rapes or sexually abuses a child should be killed. Anyone who violently rapes should be killed. Anyone who falsely accuses a person of rape should be killed. Our government is full of rapists and child molesters so we don't have laws to truly protect people from sexual assault. We need harsher laws for child molesters and rapists as well as for those who falsely accuse.

Many people don't understand that rape isn't like sex. It hurts because our body isn't ready and were tensed up fighting and scared. Women can even be killed by a rapist pushing in too hard and rupturing our insides.

There are women who enjoy being the victim and accuse men of rape for the attention which casts doubt on real victims.

[Subarugirl]

False accusations only make up about 2% of rape accusations.

[Mango-man]

I support stronger punishment for rapists however the death penalty would too much because of the risk or false accusations. Like maybe only if the culprit was caught in the act and there was 100% certainty that they did it and that it was rape.
Because even a single murder (execution) of someone innocent would be too much of a price to pay. And it goes both ways - if someone was falsely accused of raping and if someone reported rape but the culprit got away because of not enough proof (which would make that technically "false accusation" and thus execution of the rape victim).

[Subarugirl]

@Mango-man you have never been raped have you

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@Subarugirl that 2% you're talking about our only those that are actually proven to be falsely accused. So you still don't know how many false accusation who are actually proven to be innocent because people are less likely to look for alibis for people that are already convicted. A lot of the times, false accused victims are set free in jail 10 to 20 years or even more when proven innocent and that's a really long time. Even a year in jail is already long so you just question how many could be falsely accused in there that haven't even reached 10 years yet to be proven innocent

[Subarugirl]

@Aiko_E_Lara the DOJ is set up so that you are presumed to innocent until proven guilty, that 2% of false accusations are only those who are accused of being raped while 20% of women will experience rape or attempted rape in their lifetime just because they were born with a vagina.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Because it's better to let a guilty person go than to punish an innocent. Like what i said the 2% are still the those that are actually proven false. The duration of those falsely convicted guys in jail still really matters of how much could there be falsely accused victims in jail unproven so it's really logical buffet there could be more than 20% or just 20% of guys or less maybe 15% are actually convicted. And as for those 20% of women experiencing rape, that is exactly why there is rape law then why society is so hostile towards rapists and see it as a really heinous act that even guys gets false the accused and get sentence to jail for more than 10 years untill its proven. I also didn't mention the fact that grows also do get away a lot when the rape guys and have something to do with the women are wonderful effect. Look the question wasn't even gendered and i give something that isn't even gendered so if you little talk about women then i can just talked about men at this point

[Aiko_E_Lara]

*if you like to talk about women experiencing victims of sexual assault.

So therefore i can also talk about men being victims of sexual assault because not not only a woman thing

[Aiko_E_Lara]

*Logical to say there could be more than 20% or just 20% of guys or less

[Subarugirl]

@Aiko_E_Lara you do realize that more than half or sexual assaults go unreported right?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then how do you actually know it's more than half if it's unproven? Because chances are they could also be false accusations but but luckily the one who is post the accused isn't convicted. You know i can also say the same thing like make assumptions about those people in jail i can say that half of them are actually falsely accused and ask you if you do realize it

[Subarugirl]

@Aiko_E_Lara www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Copied from my other reply:

All of those reported to the police, if for example 1000 victims claims they had been victims, then 28 of them are proven true. It's just like that and basic math. Even if some of the managed to get away despite being proven true, there is still some of them even if they are innocent still getting convicted. And also how exactly do they really make that statistics and how do we exactly know that that really is the actual case? Because anyone can also make false interpretation of the statistics. What if the case there is actually what i said and it's not because their proven to be guilty and a lot of them are just not sent in jail? So yes there's not even enough proof for that interpretation of what you give.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

https://youtu.be/CIf7w9f202c i can just post this one right here then because i haven't yet

[Subarugirl]

@Aiko_E_Lara why are you so set on defending rapists?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh you want to report to the topic now? Since when? Because i can also ask you why are you so set on defending false accusers. You know i would just found as stupid if i am the one who actually asked the question first.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

*that question first

[Subarugirl]

@Aiko_E_Lara people who make false accusations are scum, but again this off topic this is about victims of sexually assault not a small minority of people who are falsely accused of something they didn’t do. Out of the millions of people who have experience sexual assault you want to bicker over the few who have been falsely accused?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Nobody is sing the aren't scums and also nobody's saying rapist aren't scums. It's just that you're so presumptuous about how people react to rape. Yes i'm aware that there are people who likes to blame the victim when they get raped but you can't just generalize that that is what society do which is why i give you the other side with a story like many people sees rape as a very heinous act that they cannot tolerate it and which also results in false accusations. And also when did i say i care more about the falsely accused MORE than the rape victims? How about if i say i care about them equally? No does that hurt you because you care more about rape victims more than falsely accuse victims?

[Subarugirl]

@Aiko_E_Lara I would prefer that you stick to the topic honestly instead of playing devils advocate to rapists

[OneManOnly01]

@Subarugirl She said false accusers should be killed and you replied “False accusations only make up about 2% of rape accusations.”. How is that relevant in this context whether it’s 2% or any higher?

Are you implying that it should automatically be assumed without any investigation that the supposed victim is not lying?

The way you said it highly suggests that you prefer to defend those who make false rape accusations

[OneManOnly01]

Nobody here is defending rapists, YOU ARE DEFENDING THOSE WHO MAKE FALSE ACCUSATIONS!

And it’s off topic? So now you admit it yourself that you will only defend rape victims but you refuse to defend those when are falsely accused.

You just implied that yourself. You just said false rape accusation is off the topic and that it does not matter.

[Subarugirl]

@OneManOnly01 false accusations is a crime! Those who commit crimes should be punished accordingly! I am talking about how the 20% of people who are born female will experience rape or attempted rape and many of them will be blamed for that abuse.

[OneManOnly01]

@Subarugirl But are they really punished accordingly? Like I said, the most usual punishment for rape is life imprisonment.

But tell me any false rape accuser who has received life imprisonment. Why the hypocrisy?

[OneManOnly01]

@Subarugirl And please don’t ignore and respond because I know you are not responding because you trapped yourself with your own words

[Subarugirl]

@OneManOnly01 people who rape people are horrible and so are people who make false rape accusations. All I can say is that I have experienced sexual assault, as has my mother and father, sister, cousin, uncle, and husband. Not to mention other people I knew. You want to focus on a minority, which is a valid pice of the puzzle, but I want to focus on the bigger picture. False allegations is totally separate topic which I would happily discuss in the appropriate setting. Since this thread is talking about sexual assault victims and not victims of fails allegations let’s try and stay on topic.

[OneManOnly01]

This is a simple question which you are so desperately trying to duck.

False rape accusers are never imprisoned for life. Do you want this to change or not? And please don’t try to dodge my question again since you are so good at dodging question when you have no response.

And no, you are not willing to talk about that, you say something, but you do something else. I’ve seen you make a ton of posts on defending rape victims but I’ve never seen one post from you where you defend the victims who are falsely accused of rape.

So, you definitely seem like you don’t give a damn about the people who are falsely accused and you don’t care if their lives are destroyed by the false accusations.

[Mango-man]

@Subarugirl No, I have not been raped and rapists should severely punished yet that has nothing to do with me suggesting that introduction of a law that cannot be taken back (legal murder) could cause many innocent to suffer.
Or do you support situation where someone would be raped and then subsequently executed (for false rape claims) only because the rapist had really good lawyer that twisted proofs?

[Jouth]

Your post is so fucked up wtf.

If you were telling the truth, I'm so sorry for what happened to you, honestly.

Our legal system fails us. I know WAY too many girls who have been raped. It's a legit nightmare. I don't know what the solution is tho.

I hope you can find some peace with all that's happened to you.

[OneManOnly01]

@Subarugirl You too. I was already expecting you to run away now that you’re speechless.

Just answer, do you want those rape accusers to get worse punishments or not? Or do you support them? Because your inwillingness to say even a word against them highly suggests that you support those false accusers of rape.

You have such an agenda, so much hate against men and if you try to defend yourself again, it would take me one minute to destroy that notion of yours.

[Jouth]

@OneManOnly01 Why tf are you guys arguing?

[OneManOnly01]

@Jouth Because the people here support false accusations of rape and I am against that

[OneManOnly01]

@Jouth I have a problem with the people who support them. And @Subarugirl suddenly went quiet as soon as she’s supposed to speak against the false accusers

[Subarugirl]

@OneManOnly01 no on supports false accusations.. for some reason your caught up on such a small minority of people who are falsely accused of a crime they didn’t commit when over 90% of rapists are never charged with a felony. Most rapists are repeat offenders and you want to focus on the 2% that are false? You’re more likely to be wrongly convicted of murder than you are to be incarcerated for raping someone.

[OneManOnly01]

See how shamelessly you are still supporting them, you can write paragraphs all you want but you’re showing your hipocrisy yourself.

How do you know 90% of rapists are never charged with felony? If they were never charged and never proven to have committed rape then how can you call them a rapist?

You essentially just called people rapists without any proof of them having commited rape, do you realise that?

You just SAID that accusers should automatically be assumed to be speaking truth while suspects should automatically be assumed to be liars. That is what you said!

You should apologise for that, please apologise. You can take those words of yours back and I recommend you do so

[Subarugirl]

@OneManOnly01 this aren’t my statistics. www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

[Subarugirl]

When someone is raped. There is evidence of that.. tangible evidence. I didn’t make up the statistics, these are basked off of the DOJ and FBI. I didn’t accuse anyone of rape, I simply stated that 90% of rapists will get away with it.

[OneManOnly01]

I don’t care if you publish studies or data, if you say that someone is a rapist without them being proved to be rapists then your data and studies are all garbage and you are a shameless hypocrite with destructive intent for innocent people.

I support the idea that rapists should get the worst punishments possible but so do false rape accusers, and there should be proper investigation before you come to conclusions.

And why do you keep pretending that you didn’t even listen to the things I keep saying repeatedly?

Here is my very simple question for you and please don’t ignore the question this time.

Do you want false rape accusers to get equally strict punishment as rapists or do you want to support and back those accusers?

[OneManOnly01]

*so should false rape accusers

[OneManOnly01]

No, you lie, that’s what you do, if it is clearly proven that someone is a rapist then he would get punished UNLESS the victim is not willing to go ahead and report it.

And until the victim doesn’t report it, no proper investigation takes place and hence it has not been proven.

So you can not say that all those accused people are rapists, that’s a disgusting and violent thing to say and you are saying exactly that right now

[ReneD13]

I think part of it is a actually a form of hope that another human being couldn't possibly so vile as to force themselves on another person without consent, despite the fact that history and present day actions from individuals show just how monstrous people can be. I think another factor is really a defense mechanism, a way for a person to convince themselves that there are things they can do to keep it from happening to them, by saying it's that person's fault because of (insert ridiculous excuse) is really saying if I don't do that thing it couldn't possibly be me. Also I think today we have lost sight of personal accountability, we no longer want to call a monster a monster instead we want to justify the monsters behavior.

[purplepoppy]

Because a lot of the time it's their own stupidity that led to them being raped. The simple truth is although no one asks to be raped that's no reason to put yourself in danger. Sure you have every legal right to take a quick cut down that unlit alley dressed as a slut and no guy has the right to rape you but why take the chance? That guy lurking in the shadows with a knife and a hard on isn't going to sit down and chat about women's rights.
It's the same with those idiots who flirt with "bad boys" then go back to their place expecting a coffee. You can argue you have the right to with draw consent but it's your word against his and a bar full of people who saw you rub his dick all night.

[Subarugirl]

This right here is what I am talking about… did you know that most sexual assault victims are minors? Was it my own stupidity that got me molested when I was 7? What about my husband’s when he was raped by the neighbor boy when he was 6?

[Tstrbrainer]

She was speaking about adults

[Tstrbrainer]

Pre pubescent kids are a different section

[Subarugirl]

@Tstrbrainer actually we are talking about sexual assault victims, minors are more at risk than any other age group for sexual assault.

[Exterminatore]

@purple

I think you make a reasonable point. Certainly we are all responsible for our own behavior. Certainly the rapist is responsible for committing a great evil. There’s no question there. Ultimately they are to blame for what they have done as rape is morally wrong abc illegal in most places in the world and they know this and did so anyway of their own volition.

Yet it is also unwise to play with fire. Reminds me of people who swim with sharks and are shocked when they get bit. Yes, rape is illegal, but it’s unwise to place one’s self in a situation where the risk is elevated. Theft is illegal but I don’t go to the rough side of town, leave my keys in the car and leave it running and say: “theft is illegal so no problem doing that.” In like fashion some people think because rape is illegal it won’t happen and put themselves in unwise situations. I am by no means justifying rape and I think all convicted of such crimes ought to receive severe punishment.

[Tstrbrainer]

@Subarugirl I've never heard about a kid being blamed for going through sexual assault.

[Exterminatore]

@Everyone

For what it’s worth I am a victim of sexual assault. In my youth at the age of 5. I have never been blamed.

What I see from adults in most situations before knowing the full facts of either side are made clear is usually a vitriol against such vile deeds and a siding with the alleged victim.

Case In point. The Dartmouth (I believe was) lacrosse players prosecuted for rape and found innocent at trial. Most especially with most men there is a rush to judgment on the side of the alleged victim and fury accompanying it.

This however is changing slightly in the wake of changes that have been made to western culture by feminism as it’s becoming more evident that women use such accusations to their advantage in certain situations to frame people they don’t like or give a different account of things they feel will diminish their character, particularly in the area of sexual harassment in the work place, which is related, but not the same. It is well known that type of allegation can be used to defame and eliminate male rivals.

Another case, the hearings regarding Judge Kavanaugh, for Supreme Court. Christine Blasey Ford said she should believed in regard to her testimony because “she is a woman.” Comedian Bill Burr joked about this in monologue replying: “Really? Just believe all of them?” “How about we believe 85% of them.” (Not a direct quote). The bottom line on that issue is women have been known to lie. I know the amount of lies are greater than the statistics. Statistics can and are often manipulated whatever to the one citing or compiling them agenda happens to be.

I hade not noted the majority or even close to the majority of society siding with the alleged perpetrator or discrediting the alleged victim initially in most cases.

[PinkMichae]

What if you are bothe drunk and have sex? Does that mean she can say he sexually assaulted her?

Or what if he's the one drunk and regrets it the next day? Does that mean he was sexually assaulted?

I get drunk doesn't mean consent. But it also doesn't mean get drunk, be all about having sex, have regrets the next day, then say you were sexually assaulted.

You gotta know when it's truly someone sexually assaulting you because you are passed out or someone you are with behaving like you want to have sex while drunk then the next day claim you were drunk.

[Subarugirl]

I would recommend reading up on informed consent and what that means

[PinkMichae]

Informed consent doesn't always stop someone from saying they were drunk and couldn't consent even if they were the one initiating the sexual interaction with a person also drunk. It just can get messy.

[Subarugirl]

How common are false rape allegations?

[PinkMichae]

Well when I was growing up I knew more girls who falsely claimed rape then I knew that actually got raped. So maybe it was different back then. I even caught my step daughter trying to lie that a boy raped her so her boyfriend wouldn't know she cheated on him.

[JohnK123]

This is smart. I applaud you

[PinkMichae]

@john123 Thanks. I just think it's important to not look at this as so black and white.

[JohnK123]

Exactly. Add some grey 😂 but thank you for understanding this

[anon171999]

Because a lot of women tell the man "no" or "stop" but don't actually physically try to stop him or push him off of them.
I have also heard women say that they only have intercourse because they're too afraid it'll turn violent if they say no. What? You shouldn't allow yourself to be in situations where that is a concern. You're responsible for your safety.
Or they're too intoxicated.

These are common cases and women are mutually held responsible for these scenarios. Don't put yourself in situations where these things could happen.
A man may not think that a women is serious when she says "no" or "Stop" simply because of miscommunication and misunderstanding. He may think she's being a tease.
So it's important for the woman to express what she wants clearly. Especially if that is through pushing him away.

[Subarugirl]

Sounds a lot like victim shaming. I didn’t say “no” or “stop” when I was molested by me grandfather. I was 7. Should I be held mutually responsible for what happened?

[Alphonsolawa]

You are an idiot but the grandfather should be in jail

[anon171999]

@Subarugirl that is your choice to perceive it as victim shaming. Obviously a 7 year old has not matured enough to understand to say no or that it's not okay in that situation. My input was applicable to grown adult women who have the emotional maturity to recognize when something is not okay and to do their best to stop it by making sure they communicate clearly so that there isn't any miscommunication or confusion.

[t-8900]

Never heard of that one before. People support victims every time I've witnessed someone bringing it up. The numbers of men that experience sexual assault is higher than the sign says. More like 17-20% if I did my math right. And there is a 90% increase on women from men. I'm not even sure how we'd gage it among children but plenty of boys have been sexually assaulted and raped too. My guess is that these are counted differently. Going by the numbers and the years this nation has seen tens of millions of rapes and many more go unreported. Less and less rapes are being reported despite the numbers showing a maintenance and even a rise. Unacceptable for a first world nation! Also the only sign I disagree with is the girl at the bottom right. I think that can be dangerous.

[ohshee]

I think it's a form of manipulation can I call it bulshit it is what it is. If a guy have sex with a girl and she said no one time I call it rape I say he needs his ass beat and fuck with a baseball bat and I think he needs jail time I have had three girls try to pick up on me and I'm just being nice say I'm sorry but I'm not into a relationship right now Bubba blah and the force will miss the rudeness made me sick to my stomach cuz I wanted to punch her and I finally got pissed off and and said stop right now but now I know in that moment but girls must go through and I think it's bullshit if a girl says no in the guy sticks his dick in her you cannot blame anybody but himself does there are rare occasions did something else happens that night out of 10 times the guy needs his ass kicked big time

[exitseven]

There are a lot of misconceptions about sexual assault that still persist. Some still beleve that rape is about sex and the way a woman dresses can increase the possibility of getting assaulted. The truth is that rape is really about control and rage.

[lovedejj_xo]

Because they think we asked for it somehow for being provocative. I was fully clothed in a coat not that it should matter. And the police officer after having me interviewed all night had the nerve to say since I’m not crying he has a hard time believing it happened. Like huh?

[Subarugirl]

I am so sorry I can only imagine

[ObscuredBeyond]

In other words, he came to assume all victims are going to be sobbing messes that can't keep composure.

Gathering evidence early is critical. You lose your chance, and everything becomes a battle of hearsay and prejudice. Seems he's met some heartless liars too, and been further conditioned to make assumptions. Cops see the worst in everyone. They even went through my phone once, only to give up because I don't have Tik Tok. They wound up confiscating my brother's phone as evidence against one of his coworkers in a case.

They were confused by my hobbies, but could find nothing wrong.

[BarryLiverstone]

Because people are often close minded and believe there is a ‘right way’ to act and dress and express ourselves. So when something bad happens like abuse they blame the victim because the victim didn’t act in that ‘right way’. Instead they should have compassion and be supportive because abuse at any age can leave a lifetime of scars and often the victims carry too much guilt blaming themselves

[Wiredone]

People say that when a woman dresses provokitive she's asking for trouble. I don't think it matters how a woman dresses. She doesn't deserve to be assaulted

[Subarugirl]

Exactly, thank you.

[Wiredone]

You're welcome. Guys who sexually assault women should have their dicks cut off. If I ever saw a woman getting assaulted the police would have to use DNA to identify the assailant

[Wiredone]

You weren't assaulted were you?

[Subarugirl]

Several times, and I have had people with the audacity to tell me that I shouldn't have dressed and acted like a slut... apparently 7 year old me in my pajamas was asking for it.

[Wiredone]

You were assaulted at 7 years old? I hope they caught the guy and beat the crap out of him. I know I would have killed him. I'm sorry you had to go through that so many times.

[Subarugirl]

He was my grandfather and I had no idea what was going on because I was never educated about it. It didn’t come to light until after he was dead and gone

[Wiredone]

No offense but I hope he died of a painful death and went to hell. Any guy that abuses a woman, child or animal deserves to go to hell

[askandgiveAnswers]

What opinions are real rapes and what opinions are in false flags. Sometimes good sex is retaliation for doing something stupid and then she lies to say rape. Or if a guy asks talks to the lady and they both agree, sex is okay even if I am sleeping, then awesome. Don’t forget as 1 drinks that some type of good communication turns bad. Yes, this happens for guys as well.


We also need relationship classes in schools, so we don’t have false flags or situations that people are learning on how to live. Living with others and learning how to live by ur self is big difference as well.

[bamesjond0069]

Because many girls will dress skimpy. Do drugs and alcohol. Hang out with strangers. Duh... you purposely set yourself up.

What if i withdraw all the cash in my bank account, drive to a high crime neighborhood, set the money on a park bench and then go down the street to get lunch. When i come back its gone, stolen. Will you ignore my moronic behavior and condemn the criminal who stole it with no mention of how i contributed to the crime? No. I dont think people would be sympathetic. And this is why people aren't sympathetic to girls who literally go out and get themselves into trouble.

[Subarugirl]

So its a girls fault because of how she dresses or if she decides to drink? You do realize that the grand majority of people who are sexually assaulted are assaulted by someone they know. Did you know that the majority of sexual assault victims are also minors? Was it my fault when I was 7 and was molested by my grandfather because I was in my pajamas? Was it my husbands fault when he was 6 and raped by his neighbor? What about my cousin, when she told the man she was sleeping with to stop because he was hurting her and didn't and now has anal fissures because he sodomized her with out consent?
Rape has everting to do with power and control. How would you feel if your daughter or mother or sister was raped... would you tell her that maybe if she were wearing pants it wouldn't have happened? Seriously?

[bamesjond0069]

Thats real rape. Most rape is drunk drug hookup kind of "rape" which is the victims fault. A child isn't at fault neither is a rape by burglars when you're house is broke into.

[jasco]

a lot of people due to social media believe that anyone who has been assualted it lying due to false accusations. Of course we should believe them but we should also take everything a person said with a grain of salt. You never know when someone is lying. Due to social media making it that way, people are gonna think that way to. Of course their are mesaures that people can take to keep them from being assaulted so that to comes into mind when they got assaulted. Honestly its just a misunderstanding.

[Cheechee4me]

Because it’s easier for people than having to face the truth. Plus there are lots of men out there who think most rape claims are false. So you have that too.

[Cheechee4me]

@lambrini no usually even hardcore rapists get away with probation. Especially if they have a good lawyer.
Also how dare you call me a liar when I was 12 years old. I never wanted any money. I just wanted to be safe. People like you called me a whore and a liar. He ended up getting away with it but my reputation was ruined at 12.

[Cheechee4me]

They covered it up because he was very popular. The red pill bullshit is getting old and it’s immature. Grow up and stop being a piece of shit.

[Subarugirl]

@lambrini you do realize that only 28 out of 1000 rapists will be charged with a felony and that 20% of females and 4% males will be sexually assaulted.

[Cheechee4me]

He also talks about how much men are raped. What he fails to mention is that it’s overwhelmingly men who are rapping them.

[JohnK123]

@lambrini yep

[JohnK123]

Doesn’t matter men still get raped it doesn’t matter who rapes them. Also think about how many false cases there are. You can’t be central minded on one side you have to see both sides in order for your statement to be true

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 you’re standing up for a guy who called a child a whore for being assaulted. Maybe stop centralizing and realize not everyone is lying. Maybe stop calling survivors liars and start calling out rapists? How about stop blaming women for assaults caused by men?

[JohnK123]

He never said the word whore

[JohnK123]

You are just implying he did. Also what if both were drunk? Is it ok for the woman to call rape when the man doesn’t?

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 yep and so do women- according to lambrini he is the only one telling the truth about his assault. According to him, nobody has it worse than him, even though he doesn’t know individuals details. You’re just like him. You’re just like the animals who covered up what happened to me as a child. Absolutely unacceptable.

[JohnK123]

I’m not an animal, because I’m heartless
Thanks Weeknd
Idek you so how can I cover up what happened to you

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 oh he most certainly did. He said it directly to me. You’re just like him. You’re just like the bums who covered up child abuse in my hometown- oh by the way I wasn’t the only one either.

[JohnK123]

Yeah I know other people have been abused. Can you copy the exact place where he called you a whore?

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 I don’t care what your excuse is. I don’t care if you think getting drunk is an excuse to rape someone. I don’t care if you think it’s okay to rape little kids. Yes he absolutely did call me a whore. I reported it. So screw you. Trash human.

[JohnK123]

Now you calling me a human? What is it an animal or human?

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 I’ve blocked his trash. Yes I did copy it and paste it before I blocked him and reported him. You’re just like him.

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 You’re trash. You stand up for guys who call little girls whores and calls them liars and says it’s their fault. You’re trash.

[JohnK123]

Cool

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 oh low and behold. All his stuff is taken down because guess what- he called a little girl a whore and said it was a child’s fault they were raped.

[JohnK123]

I stood up because there is no need to be fighting. Plus u assuming I stood up for more than one when in reality I stood up for ONE because u don’t need to fight. That’s what they want us to do

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 people like you who just assume and thoughtlessly cover for losers like that are partly to blame for people not coming forward. Jesus look what happens when they do?

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 he specifically called me a whore for being raped as a child. You’re human garbage.

[JohnK123]

Don’t bring God into this

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 yeah so you stood up for trash that thinks it’s okay to rape little girls? Smart move loser.

[JohnK123]

Ok so you got rid of the animal part and now calling me a human thank you. Also again we don’t need to fight about this it’s that simple

[JohnK123]

He never said it’s ok to he even said he wants to see more rapists in jail

[Cheechee4me]

@JohnK123 no he didn’t say that. Maybe after they started taking his shot down because he was backpedaling. You are human garbage. lambrini said the exact opposite- he said children lie to get people in trouble. I read what was said. Your red pill bullshit just back fired. Just like it is with lots of other people. You bet your ass god should be brought into this- what do you think god would have to say about trash like what you’re selling?

[JohnK123]

He would say to capitalize His name

[Cheechee4me]

Blocked. Little boy. Trash

[Cheechee4me]

Lambrini actually called someone a whore for being raped as a child and you stood up fir him. Children are not to blame.

[Quigly]

Fraudulent sexual assault accusations are a political tool of the left. Proven with past elections.
Put the blame where it belongs.

[Cheechee4me]

@Quigly ummm yeah a 12 year old should be blamed. Worse than that hot hot who called me a whore for being raped as a child and said it was my fault. Soulless

[Cheechee4me]

I even have a screenshot of what he said. Stupid little boy who can’t read.

[MuddyMole]

In an ideal world, we could leave the front door unlocked, or our keys in the ignition - but we don't do that because we know that the world is *not* ideal. If someone burgled our house or stole our car, that's not our fault - but we would have left ourselves vulnerable to it. SOME victims of sexual assault fail to apply the same logic, and leave themselves vulnerable in other ways.

[Subarugirl]

So the majority of sexual assault victims who are minors by the way are partially at fault because they left them selves vulnerable?

[MuddyMole]

I said *some*. For example, if a girl goes out and gets completely drunk, without friends looking out for her, and decides to walk home alone.
On the other hand, if you're talking about a minor who has been sexually assaulted by a family member say (I believe that's one the most common scenarios?), then of course I don't blame them at all, and have nothing but sympathy for them.

[Oigit]

I honestly can't answer that question. But I do have a question of my own. Why is that whenever people talk about the issue of sexual assault is child molestation often left out of the conversation? It's long past time that people push past the subject being too uncomfortable to talk about.

[worldscolide]

That's a good question, don't get me wrong, rape is evil, but child molestation is worse in my opinion.

[Subarugirl]

I definitely don’t, most victims of sexual assault are or were minors

[Aerissa_Jade]

Its the rape culture, that covers it all.

It isn't just sexual assault victims, if someone leaves their car unlocked and has things stolen, people blame them to.

If a gun owner has their gun stolen, people blame the gun owner. Society has a problem actually blaming the criminals and wants to blame the victims.

[ObscuredBeyond]

That's just common sense. If you move to an area, study the local crime rate before you leave the door unlocked. But that in no way justifies the thief. Where did this all-or-nothing, I'm-never-at-fault mindset become so pervasive?

[Aerissa_Jade]

@ObscuredBeyond From victim blaming and from people trying to tell us we shouldn't go certain places or do certain things.

Would you like being told you don't have freedom to go somewhere, cause it might be dangerous for you to? yet others can go there.

I'm not really disagreeing though, my taught me... its better to not be a victim than to be one.

If I forgot to lock my car door and something is stolen, I blame myself... but if I locked it and someone smashed the window to steal something, I don't. I don't leave things in plain sight either.

[ObscuredBeyond]

What I know, is society doesn't know how to balance. Every place errs to one extreme or the other. Rapists get away, while confused and innocent men rot in jail. Actual victims aren't believed, while charlatans get everything they want.

[NathanDavis]

I never have... instead, I sent the attacker to the hospital

[Sirenboobzilla]

Because it's easier to blame someone for how they act, dress and behave then to hold someone accountable for their actions

[CaliSixx]

I don't get it either, it pretty much starts in school. Remember the no holes or straps because it's distracting the boys? We're taught from a young age that it's the victim's fault (male or female) and that if we go out wearing what we want, it's our problem

[jshm2]

Because it's an effective defence council strategy.

Of course it doesn't make logical sense that a person would go out dressed as a 10 to get raped. But in court it's rather easy to sway a jury you were "looking for action" dressed as you were.

[demonics]

For some women:

"You should take some reasonable precautions, its dangerous out there."
=
Blaming the victim

This leap frogging over common sense that modern women often do is so tiresome. Anything to avoid taking accountability over your own life. Whats it like being at the absolute whim of society? "Whatever happens to me happens theirs nothing I can do about it."

[ChiTown33]

All guys have been led on by a woman at some point in their life. Because women will flirt with a guy simply for the sport of it. Not all guys like this. So when a woman is blamed it's usually because it is assumed she did something to lead him on. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying it's just reality.

Now down vOTE me into oblivion just because I told you the truth.

[Subarugirl]

Here’s a truth for you. The majority of sexual assault victims are minors and that includes males too.

[ChiTown33]

And your point is?

[Subarugirl]

That being nice to someone and flirting isn’t an invitation to be sexually assaulted? Rape is about power, not attraction, not out of lust, it’s about power.

[ChiTown33]

I got news for you honey flirting isn't about being nice. You're all kinds of confused. And relationships are about power. You either like a girl or you are trying to sleep with a girl. This might be your problem.

[Subarugirl]

My problem is that over 90% of rapists are never convicted and somehow the victim is still blamed for it… that’s my problem

[TonyMetal___86]

I don't think that they are blamed unless a h*e was walking barely naked and seduced a man, even that ain't a card for rape!

Rape have no excuses, no one should be able to hurt the other like that!

Also people who make false rape claims should be punished as if they are the rapist!

[Subarugirl]

Making false accusations is a crime and people are punished for it.

[TonyMetal___86]

Yep they should be punished!

[Subarugirl]

they are

[TonyMetal___86]

Glad to hear that!

[OneManOnly01]

@Subarugirl What are the punishments for rape and for false rape accusation, can you tell me that?

[Subarugirl]

@OneManOnly01 I can tell you that people who have been found guilty of false accusations have been imprisoned and fined how ever the rapist I personally knew only got 30 days in jail and registered as a sex offender.

[OneManOnly01]

@Subarugirl No, please don’t change the topic, what is the actual punishments for a false rape accusation and what is the punishment for a rape according to the law?

[OneManOnly01]

@Subarugirl You are telling me about one specific case, but the the most common punishment for rape is life imprisonment.

Has any accuser of false rape ever received life imprisonment for reporting false rape?

[Subarugirl]

@OneManOnly01 you are just as capable of using google are you not?

[OneManOnly01]

No I’m not, I’m a toothless toddler remember? You’re going to backtrack now because you have no response.

I’m wondering what excuse will you make

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

They call it "responsibility".
I genuinely have heard guys say that girls who dress and act a certain way need to be aware of what the attention they are calling to themselves can cause.

[Still-alive]

they use that excuse all the time

[Paul09]

When certain type of people get called out on their wrong doing, they throw a fit. These bad boys seem to keep getting there way. Then fuk up a woman's life for his pleasure, and she wonders why. Stop making bad boys win in life. They are unstable a-holes. That treat women like objects.

[Subarugirl]

You do realize that the majority of sexual assault victims are minors right?

[Paul09]

No, I do not. Depends where you are from.

[Subarugirl]

The United States

[HellGeist]

The Devil is in the details.

I could leave my car running in the middle of the road in a bad part of town at night every day if I want to, but it doesn't make anyone who steals it any less guilty.

[Subarugirl]

How does a car equate to a human being?

[HellGeist]

It's clearly an analogy.

Cars are of course far more useful.

[Subarugirl]

If you value a machine more than a living breathing human being you are part of the problem

[HellGeist]

When was the last time you drove to work on a person?

[Cheechee4me]

Yeah hellgeist I totally had it coming when I was assaulted as a Child. Yep totally my fault.

[Subarugirl]

When’s the last time you fucked a car?

[HellGeist]

@Cheechee4me Remind me where I wrote that?

Get back on your meds please and go to therapy if you think that I said or think that.

[HellGeist]

Lmao! Are you implying that women only have value because they're fuckable?

What point are you trying to make here, because that is pretty damn funny.

I like how you immediately jumped to that, lmao.

[Cheechee4me]

Well gee you sound a lot like they did. Just saying. They even blamed it on me developing early. That was my fault somehow too. Yeah you sound just like them. It’s always the survivors fault, even though most of them are just kids.

[Cheechee4me]

No but that’s what you think HellGeist. You may think you’re acting like a tough guy. You just sound ignorant and heartless to me.

[HellGeist]

@Cheechee4me If you think you can read my thoughts you really need to get yourself checked out.

Have fun with that attitude in life.

[HellGeist]

@Cheechee4me You're really demented to be implying that I am like a pedo because of what happened to you.

Whatever happened to you was not my fault.

Please seek help ASAP for your issues.

[Cheechee4me]

People always say stuff like what you’re saying when they know they’re wrong.

[HellGeist]

@Cheechee4me Ooookay... Take good care.

[AmeerX]

Well they do involve in not taking precautions when warned by their family or friends. But truly they should be helped and not blamed.
The dark side is many people who claim to be raped turned out to be fake 🤥 at least in my country. They almost always showed consent or were just out to blackmail the alleged culprit to squeeze money out of him

[captain_voidwalker]

Because they're usually so anti 2nd amendment. So on one hand they're bitching because they're victims of a crime. And on the other hand they're saying you don't have a right to self defense.

Also they no.1 crime that gets lied about is secual assault so there's a bit of a stigma from that as well.

[AydenHazor]

Because our patriarchal society is ridiculously messed up and men (speaking generally) can't (have not been made to and confoundingly allowed not to) take responsibility or blame for their own actions.

[Agape93]

Because it's easier, and trolls enjoy poking fresh wounds.

Words have weight, especially in these circumstances. Blaming a victim for a crime can cause them to kill themselves. Be mindful.

[Kingofkings1992]

I don’t think that happens as often as you’re making it seem like. Fact is many rape allegations are false. So investigators would be foolish to believe everything an alleged victim says. Facts are facts, and emotions have no business in criminal cases.

[Subarugirl]

Less than half of sexual assault victims report the assault and of those sexual assault allegation its estimated that only about 2% are false. Meanwhile only 28 out of 1000 perpetrators will be charged with a felony… let’s stay focused on the bigger issue huh

[Cheechee4me]

Yeah king of kings it happens all the time.

[Kingofkings1992]

Ok girls. Whatever you say

[The_Maphio]

Judicial system sucking major ass in most progressed country, and completely ignoring the issue in the less or non-progressed ones.
I also have other hypothesis, but today I'm not in the mood to trigger anybody.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Just make murder legal aka self justice when it comes to rape. Then these fucktards would not dare to that. Thanks to ridiculous punishments in my many european countries rapists ain't afraid of the consequences

[Subarugirl]

It is legal…

[hi_it_is_me123]

No. I know some self defence teachers who tell to not call the police when you physically harmed your potential rapists due to self defence since you may get charged for bodily injury.

[hi_it_is_me123]

This is how retarded the system is. According to the laws you have to only use the same amount physical force like your perpetrator which is ridiculous. So if the offender use knife, you max can use knife against him and not a shot gun or worse for example which is ridiculous

[888theGreat]

Women are responsible for their behavior. They can lead guys on to where he thinks she is wanting sex. Also not wearing much clothes sends a message of open sex. Women can't understand it because they are not men.

[askandgiveAnswers]

If a class had fashion in schools with civics to be a caring citizen. Well, even party people can be caring and considerate. Media and news and political spin has influenced many unfortunately.

[Subarugirl]

You do realize that men are sexually assaulted too and that the majority of sexual assault victims are minors when they are abused right?

[jspl90]

soooo you saying all the women at the beach who are wearing a bikini or topless want sex right there

[WhiteSteve]

Like most things that require tough conversations or holding someone accountable (possibly from one of your own demographic groups), people duck the hell out of it.

[LinaDaGoddess]

Because the people who defend them are either victims themselves OR they’re the creeps doing it.. (or they’re married to them, don’t want to lose their jobs, etc… )

[loveslongnails]

The assumption is that in "some way", they were asking for it or didn't fight hard enough to stop it. That's not always the case, but it's fairly prevalent.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I seriously don't know. My best guest is because of misogyny.

Some men just like to blame women for anything sexual that goes wrong.

[notwoke]

because the new definition of rape is: "He said hello to me and he's not rich and tall". I'm all for hanging men who beat women up and fuck them, but this "we got drink and I got regret" shit ain't never gonna fly

[Subarugirl]

That’s not even close to the definition of rape… also there is a big difference between sexual harassment and and sexual assault.

[notwoke]

not according to feminists, they say more than 50% of women have been assaulted, so me and every other man must be "assaulting" all day long every day

[Subarugirl]

Here are some statistics for you. If you scroll to the bottom of the page you will see that that listed their sources such as Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics, National Crime Victimization Survey

[notwoke]

bottom of the page? nothing

[Subarugirl]

www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence

[notwoke]

Oh yeah, there's a website without an agenda, lol.

[Subarugirl]

All of that information is sited on their website. It’s all sourced

[notwoke]

yeah, from the man hating club of America

[Subarugirl]

Well for that to be the case that would have to fall under the legal description of what sexual assault is, which it does not.

[notwoke]

lets go back and for the rest of our lives. Cosby rules!

[Subarugirl]

Your lack of empathy is disgusting

[notwoke]

I'm low on it, admittedly. It's a male trait

[Subarugirl]

That’s not a valid excuse

[notwoke]

I don't need an excuse. Your problems are not my problems just like my problems are not your problems. Are you staying up at night worrying about men who are lonely?

[Subarugirl]

You don’t think the the epidemic of sexual assault and violence is a problem?

[notwoke]

I give up you win. bye

[Razp_Sorbet]

Because parents don't teach consent. Schools don't teach consent.

[Alphonsolawa]

I don't think sexual assault go away just because we teach consent.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Alphonsolawa sure it won't go away, but it will reduce. People talk about "blurred lines" because they're unaware that they don't actually exist the line is pretty fucking solid. Teaching young people about consent, enthusiastic consent is a way to make sure they understand that no means no.

[Snakeyes7]

@Razp_Sorbet Pretty sure we do if that isn't what sex ed is for.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Snakeyes7 sex Ed barely teaches you about sex let alone consent in my experience

[Subarugirl]

@Snakeyes7 the only sex Ed I ever got was how biological reproduction works… that’s it

[Alphonsolawa]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh , unless we assume that the consent only can be given verbally in very strict/non vague terms , It's pretty blurry. Mixed signals/ false hints are a thing. Unless you basically make a verbal/written contract that is very specific , the lines are blurry. That's why I personally advocate for written contract of consent (ofc singed under a lawyer) before every sexual encounter.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Alphonsolawa that's absolutely bullshit. You wouldn't be getting a whole lot of anything if that's how you play it. obvious you weren't taught what consent is. What enthusiastic consent is.

[Alphonsolawa]

Just saying signing a contract is always better than verbal contracts. Unlike verbal contracts , written contracts are very specific.

Also by the way I was talking in the line of "No means No but what does yes means" . Am I supposed to ask verbal consent for every little movement? Yeah written contracts are always better.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Alphonsolawa consent doesn't have to be verbal... It's pretty fucking obvious that you don't have consent if she's crying, emotionless, not moving, not participating, clearly not having a good time, or screaming no, stop, please don't.

[Subarugirl]

Its like some people don't know what implied consent is..

[Alphonsolawa]

Consent always need to be verbal or written. Also you assume you are not given consent unless said otherwise. Unless strict verbal or written consent is given , consent was not given. Like I said verbal contracts aren't precise enough thus written contracts are better.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Alphonsolawa that is incorrect. Again enthusiastic consent. Which means both parties are participating aka one isn't just laying there "letting it happen"

[Alphonsolawa]

All I'm saying is written contracts are better and no one should have sex without a written and signed contracts.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Alphonsolawa a great way to set the mood. Signing a contract infront of a lawyer every single time you get down to business. What about if either party wants to withdraw consent mid action? I don't know if you legitimately think that would work or if this is your idea of a funny joke.

[Subarugirl]

@Razp_Sorbet written contracts are common in the bdsm community… if having a written contract helps people communicate better and establish boundaries, then that is a good thing.

[Razp_Sorbet]

Sure but you can't have a written contract to consent to anything. Bdsm have safe words to stop the consent can be withdrawn at any point. Bdsm contracts are more about limits its also not signed every time they hook up

[normalice]

Because no one knows what to do about it. Blaming the victim gives everyone the relief of thinking nothing needs to be done.

[worldscolide]

That never really made sense to me. Not for either gender (happens to men too). It's sickening honestly.

[Subarugirl]

Of course it happens to men, more than most people realize of care to think about.

[worldscolide]

What a lot of these people don't understand is that sexual violence is about power and control.. It's not about what they were wearing, it's not about what she says or does, it's not about how many people they slept with.. It's entirely about someone having power over someone else.

Being in foster care my entire childhood, and put in places where they kept sex offenders.. Not one by the way, I refused to live with my drug addicted prostitute mother.. You start to learn the psychology of it.. It absolutely kills me that someone would choose sex as an avenue to get power over someone else.. It's why I advocate for the death penalty for people who repeatedly do things to children or commit rape repeatedly.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

I think victims interpret comments about irresponsibility as blame.
They need to check their attitude.

[Rob17792]

cops typically blame the victim. i've had that happen before and know how much it sucks. others who blame the victim are assholes themselves

[Subarugirl]

Seems to be a lot of that there

[Rob17792]

there is

[Jouth]

There's a lot of hatred towards victims. Some of it because of false accusations, and then a lot of it for other reasons that have much less merit.

I like consensual sex. That's the way

[lambrini]

This is why false rape accusations are increasing, it's the choices that victim makes that leads them to these conclusions.

[Subarugirl]

You do realize that the grand majority of sexual assault victims are minors right?

[lambrini]

You do realize minors can lie as well right?

[Subarugirl]

How many 6 or 7 year olds do you know that would make something like that up?

[lambrini]

I know way too many 6 and 7 year olds that can lie way better than adults, I have a friend with a 8 year old sister I know way to good they are especially now with all the internet available to them, and at times its not even kids but parents who do it through them. Because you would believe that kids would lie right?

[lambrini]

Who*

[Cheechee4me]

You are fit to run a household. You’d put your daughters in danger. If word got out you never believed anyone they’d be an easy target. You’re a piece of.

[Cheechee4me]

You aren’t fit to run a household. You’d put your daughters in danger. If word got out you never believed anyone they’d be an easy target. You’re a piece of shit.

[lambrini]

@Cheechee4me I am perfectly for to run a household, however with your sick fetish I am sure you can't be a mother. I would teach my daughters to not give reasons to rapists for rape. Word got out ever since false accusations started and I would protect them unlike your mother did. You're a whore.

[lambrini]

Fit*

[Subarugirl]

How many children do you know that lie about being sexually assaulted?

[lambrini]

@Subarugirl I have been raped as 7 year old and it was way harder because it was anal and I was really tight, the rapists got away from jail.

[Cheechee4me]

No I really didn’t do anything to be assaulted. You call me a whore and a liar for being assaulted as a child, but you were. What does that make you? And you know nothing of the details of my actual assault either.
So really I guess you’re a whore too. I guess you’re lying too. You’re garbage.

[Cheechee4me]

Well then if you think my mother should have protected me, how could you possibly think it was my fault. Trash human being.

[Cheechee4me]

I was also molested before that too. No sorry he was 6 foot 7 I really couldn’t. Listen I don’t care what you think. You say that because you like feeling sorry for yourself and are so selfish you’re heartless. To you nobody has it worse than you. I feel a mix of pity and mockery with you. I believe you were assaulted.

[Cheechee4me]

Subarugirl can you believe this loser just called a 12 year old girl a whore for being assaulted? Oh my god.

[Cheechee4me]

Yeah and by the way I’ve suffered a lot because of the abuse I suffered as a child. I’m still a good enough person to not call everyone a liar who has the courage to step up. You’re lucky your rapist went to jail at all. Most get away with it.

[lambrini]

Because I was actually raped and don't like people who pretend just because they have a fetish, it happened to me with 4 guys so it's worse than yours, I called you a whore a 26 year old who makes up stories OMG

[Cheechee4me]

Yeah I actually was too. Several times. It was not my fault it started from a very young age. Sure my parents should have protected me. But they didn’t. There is no excuse what you said to me. None at all. You have no clue what the details were of my assault. No rape is better or worse than any other. You’re heartless and selfish. You’re also an animal for calling a little girl a whore for something completely out of her control. All because you want to keep telling yourself nobody has it worse than you. Screw you.

[Cheechee4me]

See this is exactly why assaults continue to happen too. But that’s what you want. You want everyone else to feel like trash so then you don’t have to focus on the trash you’ve become. You disgust me. Here’s a theory- maybe you’re lying.

[lambrini]

Like I said you can choose to think that you were a whore when 12 because I didn't said that but you do you lol, seems like you are a shit person with a disgusting fetish, you are probably not even a human, you are the definition of piece of shit

[Cheechee4me]

Oh you absolutely did call a child a whore for being assaulted and molested. Pieces of shit do that and you know it.
“Word got out ever since false accusations started and I would protect them unlike your mother did. You're a whore.”
Stop trying to backpedal and make excuses. You’re heartless and selfish.

[lambrini]

Stop trying to make excuses for your fetish piece of shit

[Cheechee4me]

I’m not sure what fetish you’re talking about. You just called a child a whore for being assaulted and molested. You’re heartless, selfish and mentally ill.

[lambrini]

@Cheechee4me You are a whore and your mom too, stop making up stories so you can jerk off to them later. Maybe commit suicide it'll be better for the while world to be rid of you. Literally end yourself for making fun of a rape survivor, you subhuman piece of shit. You need to ACTUALLY be raped to talk about this stuff, you are literally worst than rapists.

[Jouth]

I think all of you guys need to calm tf out and hug it out. Except maybe not with the racist guy. I wouldn't hug him either, sheiiiit

[Jouth]

*rapist guy

[Aiko_E_Lara]

The world is imbalanced just like why so many innocent are accused of sexual assault. Getting blamed while at it

[Aiko_E_Lara]

* accused of sexual harassment

[Subarugirl]

The majority of sexual assaults, an estimated 63 percent, are never reported to the police (Rennison, 2002). The prevalence of false reporting cases of sexual violence is low (Lisak, Gardinier, Nicksa, & Cote, 2010), yet when survivors come forward, many face scrutiny or encounter barriers. For example, when an assault is reported, survivors may feel that their victimization has been redefined and even distorted by those who investigate, process, and categorize cases.
www.nsvrc.org/.../..._Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

Northeastern university over a 10-year period are analyzed to determine the percentage of false allegations. Of the 136 cases of sexual assault reported over the 10-year period, 8 (5.9%) are coded as false allegations. These results, taken in the context of an examination of previous research, indicate that the prevalence of false allegations is between 2% and 10%.
cdn.atixa.org/.../...egations-16-VAW-1318-2010.pdf

One commonly cited figure holds that 5 percent of rape allegations are found to be false, but that figure paints a very incomplete picture, says Belknap. Typically, this figure comes from studies done on college students, an estimated 95 percent of whom do not report their assaults to police. Overall, an estimated 8 to 10 percent of women are thought to report their rapes to the police, which means that — at the very highest — we can infer that 90 percent of rapes go unreported, says Belknap. Obviously, only those rapes that are reported in the first place can be considered falsely reported, so that 5 percent figure only applies to 10 percent (at most) of rapes that occur. This puts the actual false allegation figure closer to 0.5 percent.
www.google.com/.../false-rape-accusations.html

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You can say assault is really high but it doesn't remove the fact that it is against the law to actually rape someone. How society reacts to rape is like hope experiments shows it is they don't tolerate it and can even falsely accuse someone of rape because they see it as such a heinous act. So it's not only people like to blame on sexual assault but there are also people who falsely accuses anyone and just believe immediately what the accuser has to say. So i guess you're just being so one-sided about how people react to rape.

[Subarugirl]

False accusations are extremely rare and are also illegal. Which I have stated many times. It is wrong and those who are caught making false allegations are punished. If you have never been sexually assaulted you are luck there are so many men and women who have not been..

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And yes that Renson 2002 is already debunked right here https://youtu.be/CIf7w9f202c good music you just repeated what i said about the provably false. And this is what i'm talking about. https://youtu.be/HWGwCOi5XAI 20 years is a very long time and anyone accused who hasn't reached 20 years yet may still be there an proven. And if they are really unlucky, they will never be proven until they die.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

*It just repeated what i said

[Subarugirl]

You do realize that you are more likely to be prosecuted for a murder that you didn’t commit than a rape you didn’t commit right?

[Subarugirl]

My husband was 6 when we was raped by two people…. One of them got to walk away with out any reproductions because he wasn’t able to articulate well enough about what happened.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

https://youtu.be/Y0arSz31DqI i can also show your how hostile society reacts when it comes to it. So yes even if it is just something a girl said, there's always a chance that anyone in the society will listen and believe her until more and more people would just say they do and be a "witness" despite not saying anything. It may be illegal to accuse someone falsely but are they really going to get proven as a false accusers ASAP? Even if it is actually proven https://youtu.be/ii50SWTJSoA you noticed they're still trying to keep the accusers identity. Even if it's actually proven the accuser is not even jailed. You can say that there are many "rapist" who gets away with it. But a lot of the times the rapist you're talking about are not proven to be "rapist" just yet. Unlike false accusing you can be proven guilty but you have little chance of being convicted. Unlike proven guilty of rape, it's almost a guarantee.

[Subarugirl]

Out of 1000 sexual assault cases only 28 will be convicted with felony charges… and your focused on the very few who are falsely accused. Let’s stay focused on the bigger issues here.
www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

[Subarugirl]

@Still-alive @This_Is_My_Opinion8

[Aiko_E_Lara]

All of those reported to the police, if for example 1000 victims claims they had been victims, then 28 of them are proven true. It's just like that and basic math. Even if some of the managed to get away despite being proven true, there is still some of them even if they are innocent still getting convicted. And also how exactly do they really make that statistics and how do we exactly know that that really is the actual case? Because anyone can also make false interpretation of the statistics. What if the case there is actually what i said and it's not because their proven to be guilty and a lot of them are just not sent in jail? So yes there's not even enough proof for that interpretation of what you give.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh by the way one of those "reinforcement" you just called just blocked me and the other one is basically done. Can't handle it on your own can you?

[Subarugirl]

You just seem to have it out for me and are insurance on victim blaming. You seem more likely respect men more than women so I was hoping that they might be able to talk some sense into you

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Ok then you have to prove where i said i am blaming on victims otherwise you are just false accusing which kind of prove my point by the.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

By the *way

[OneManOnly01]

@Subarugirl Your data is pretty dumb. If those sexual assaults aren’t reported to the police then how do those people know about those assults in the first place?

[OneManOnly01]

@Subarugirl Oh AND, your source itself states the following:

“To date, much of the research conducted on the prevalence of false allegations of sexual assaults is unreliable because of inconsistencies with definitions and methods employed to evaluate data (Archambault, n. d.)“

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Subarugirl you are arguing with someone that has said to me that men suicide by means of blood clots done by, wait for it, punching wall. Yes apparently men punch wall to suicide via blood clot.

Yes false accusations are very rare. That much is proven. Not only that, but most rapes are not even reported and the ones that are almost never even reach the courtroom.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 When it wasn’t even reported and it didn’t even go ahead then how did you even get the information?

And if that didn’t reach the court then that means it was never proven, so how can you say that it’s really a rape?

Do you realise what you just said? You claimed that it’s rape just because the supposed victim claimed its a rape, regardless of the fact whether it’s proved or not. According to you we don’t need any proof to call it a rape, we just need an allegation.

I’ll allow you to take back your words. You ought to apologize for saying something so disgusting and hateful.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 And please don’t ignore and run away now that you’re trapped from your own statement. It would make you look even worse.

I recommend you change your opinion if you said that intentionally and take your words back and apologise for it.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 just because we don't know how many non reported cases are estimated doesn't mean they don't have a way. Give that organizations like RAINN, the National Sexual Resource Center and even the FBI have stats on it, there must be a way they do it. Not knowing how it's done is not a good argument to say it's not done properly.

But like the false rape accusations I am sure it is hard to measure. Hence the source saying the data and method are not 100% accurate. They are estimates. But that means it can be a lower or a higher number. Still I doubt the true results vary a lot from the data they provide.
All this besides the point that even if the stats are wrong by 10% they are still very scary numbers.
I have no idea how

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 "You claimed that it’s rape just because the supposed victim claimed its a rape"
This is false. I never said this.
You ignore the fact that the justice system doesn't work properly and that rape is indeed hard to prove. A crime that is hard to prove even when it happens added to a system that let's rapists get away, of course many don't even reach court.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 trapped in my own statement? Cute.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Don’t tell me there is must be some way, tell me what way. How do they know it? If they know it then they must reveal how they got that information. You’re supposed to think with your brain, not just believe what they show you.

And you can keep ignoring all you want, but YOU IMPLIED THAT RAPE ACCUSATION SHOULD BE ASSUMED TRUE WITHOUT ANY PROOF.

And you are even refusing to apologise for that. Well, I’m having some suspicions that individuals like you could potentially even commit serious crimes in the future just to spread your agenda if you can say something like this

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You said “ Most rapes are not even reported and the ones that are almost never even reach the courtroom.”

How did you conclude that those were indeed rapes and not false accusations? You’re being affirmative.

So like I said you can keep writing paragraphs now but you just SAID that the suspect needs to be punished without proof. It should automatically be assumed a rape

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 I am thinking with my brain. I don't need to to know how everything is done. Literally everyday of your life you deal with things that have stats associate with them. From the safety of your car, to the chance the building you are on right now collapses. You want to know how the studies for that were made as well? Or you simply drive and live believing on the people who made them to know what the fuck they are doing? There you go.
But you want to know so much sent and email to RAINN or something and let them tell you.

Read it again. I never said that. But by all means copy paste the words where I supposedly said that. I will wait...

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 "Most rapes are not even reported and the ones that are almost never even reach the courtroom.”

From this you understood "All rapes accusations should be believed without any need for proof?" That's what you got from it?

As to why I said it, it's because the organizations that I mentioned early say it. You don't like facts I can't help you.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

You not knowing why that statement is ridiculous is just funny. Suicide by wall punching. Nice.

Debunking what exactly? Numbers given literally by the FBI? I will sit down until you make sense I don't want to wait standing up.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Studies always describe the cases that are observed at least in collective. This one didn’t. This is no study. This is bullshit.

You write them an email and get the data and then I’ll believe you. Until then you can keep fooling people with fake data which matches your agenda.

And I quoted your exact words. Your words are indicating that you are on the borderline.

You could potentially become a criminal anytime since you support false rape accusers. And don’t delete your comments please, just leave it there for the people to see.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Aiko_E_Lara "The statistics have shown that there are way more rape claims the actual rapists getting convicted."
And YOU say that it's because they are actually false claims.
The people who actually work on the subject say it's because the system works poorly. I will believe the ones who actually know what they are talking about.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Why do you never make posts or comments against false rape accusers? Clearly because you support them.

The most usual punishment for rape is life imprisonment. But you tell me, what is the punishment for false rape accusations?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 Says you. Again, not knowing how it was done is not a motive to immediately say it was poorly done.

My agenda? I am simply quoting data from several sources. What agenda do I have?
You on the other hand seem to want by all mean to say that most rape allegations are false. Why is that?

That sentence was far from meaning that no due process and investigation should be had. I said the system is flawed according to what who actually studies this as part of their freaking job says. Which leads to most rapes not being reported and not reaching the courtroom.

About supporting false accusations... You and @Aiko_E_Lara think I am defending women don't you? I wonder why you think that? Is it because they are most victims of rape as far as raw numbers are concerned?
I always spoke in a gender neutral speech. And to make myself clear, what I say goes to men and women. Anyone can be a rapist and a false accuser. The system doesn't work for men who were raped either. And you saying most allegations are false doesn't help us.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I hate rapists as much as you do, you’re simply twisting my words to save yourself.

You’re still being so shameless. You clearly support the false accusers. You even dodged my question. Why do you never comment or post against false rape accusers?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Aiko_E_Lara yes neither of us is there to see, so we should believe what we want? Or what people who study the subject say?

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You should believe only what’s proven true, not what this or that liar says, who knows if they also support false accusers like you?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Aiko_E_Lara Sure there are cases where people get a lot of stigma. Other where people don't believe her and even label her as a liar or a slut who had sex and then changed her mind. They claim that she wanted it all along and was willing.
Both cases happen. Since false claims are so rare, non deserving stigma is even more rare.

With me you never mentioned genders, but let's not try to hide under curtains I know you only do this is posts about women.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 I never meant to twist your words in any way. I believe that you hate rapists. Where we differ is on the amount of false rape allegations that are made.

Well I am doing it right here. I think false rape accusations are awful and I am very glad they give prison time.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 What liar? The ones who gave the stats on false claims being rare? Why you call them liars?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Aiko_E_Lara
"You know what i said is actually also a study "
Can you post it again? I arrived late at the conversation and have no idea what you are referring to.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 What prison time? You are saying that they should not be given equal punishment as rapists?

You’re ‘glad’, another sign of your support for them. The usual punishment for a rapist is life imprisonment but tell me which false rape accuser ever received life imprisonment?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 false rape accusations do give prison time.
But I don't think they should get as much punishment as a rapist does.

Let's think about this. Someone makes a false murder accusation. Does he deserves the same punishment as someone who actually committed murder?
This applies to any crime really. False accusations are a crime worthy of years, and in my opinion deserve more years than someone who just committed theft, but they don't deserve the same punishment as crimes like murder and rape.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Acuse someone falsely is easy. But so what? Run over someone on the sidewalk is also easy doesn't mean I will do it.
Bad rumors going faster than good again doesn't prove that false claims are common. Only means that is easy to taint ones reputation. What you are missing is that an accusation can end the reputation of the accuser. Like I told you things like "she is lying" "she wanted it" "she made a false accusation stay away from her".

"They act more hostile towards rape rather than blaming the rape victim"
This again doesn't mean the system works well. I can give you many rela examples where rape happened, was proven, and still nothing happened to the rapist.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That shows how hateful you are toward men. Could you tell me your preferred gender by the way? And are you a man?

If someone is falsely accused and gets a life sentence and has to spend his whole life in prison which is worse than death in some ways and gets his life completely destroyed by a false accuser, then that false accuser doesn’t deserve equal punishment?

You should be ashamed of it yet you’re talking so shamelessly. Your words indicate that you could potentially become a criminal

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I knew you would run away with your tail between your legs after that shameless statement of yours.

Look, I know what kind of a person you are. So I’m not gonna waste my time because the disgusting things you just said would show it to everyone who you are.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also compare running over someone vs accusing someone, running over people is a way to get you shot on the spot. You get your plate number visible and cameras recording you that can just get you arrested on the spot before you use that as an example of "easy to do".

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 My preferred gender? You mean if I think one gender is better than the other? No I don't. We have equal worth.
Yes I am a man. I can put a selfie if me with this comment section open on the PC behind me if you want.

You let your emotions dictate your thoughts. What is worse? To stab someone and watch them die or to point a finger at an innocent person saying "he stabbed someone"? One actually took your life away with zero chance. A false accusation needs to be proven before it actually has effect and there is no physical action that ends a life with zero chance for the person. Very different crimes and should have different sentences.

I don't feel ashamed of this at all. I agree with you that false accusations are worthy a long time in jail. Just not as much as murder or rape.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Aiko_E_Lara did you had some of your argument here deleted?

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You think it’s okay to make false rape accusation and get away with it because most of those accusers don’t even go to jail AT ALL. That’s what you think.

And that’s disgusting of you to think that way. That’s just filthy

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 "You think it’s okay to make false rape accusation and get away with it"
This is false. I said it here over and over that false accusers of any crime should face prison time.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Stop the lies please, you said they get enough punishments but they rarely ever even get jail time. And you want rapists to get life imprisonment which is what I want too but you support false rape accusers and you don’t want them to face any serious consequences. That is exactly what your words just meant.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01
1. I never said that they have "enough" punishment. I said they shouldn't have as many years as an actual rapist. I agree that they are not punished enough today. False accusers need to be severely punished. Just not as harshly as actual rapists. We clear now?

2. I don't think rapists deserve life sentence. Never said that. They deserve many years, but not life.

[OneManOnly01]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 So you actually want to make life easier for rapists and you want to destroy the lives of those who are falsely accused, that’s what this means

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OneManOnly01 I want to make like harder for rapists and to those who falsely accuse others.
Both are crimes. Makes sense to want to give proper punishment for crime.

[TallAnon]

Because we can't change what others do, we can only change what we do. So when people go looking for solutions, there's only one person who can do something different.

[JohnK123]

What if both of you are drunk? And the woman is the one who said it’s rape? What about the man? If she can call it rape couldnt he call it rape too?

[Jouth]

what if they raped each other at the same time?

WHAT THEN?

[JohnK123]

@Jouth then they cancel out or they both go to jail. Not one or the other. If it’s the woman saying it and they both were drunk then the man has every right to say it too

[Jouth]

No I don't care who say who.

I'm talking about what happened. No the the he said she said.

I talk about the he did she did. And they did rape each other.

So what then, John?

[JohnK123]

@Jouth if they both did and they both accuse each other then they should both go to jail I already said that

[Jouth]

but if they rape each other at the same time

they both try

ahhhh then it is not rape.
you see ?

[anylolone]

1/10 men? I'd say 90% of people in general will at some point in their lives experience some form sexual assault, even incels.

That aside, why people blame victims of crimes, any crime?

[msc545]

Women who make false accusations and are caught suffer NO consequences, despite the fact that it ruins men's lives.

[Subarugirl]

I could can lost plenty of articles where they were of you want

[msc545]

what? you can produce a few article that you think prove something?

[Subarugirl]

You said that women that make false allegations suffer NO consequences and that isn’t true.

[msc545]

An anecdote is not a synonym for data.

[Snakeyes7]

They aren't. They take things like "maybe we should avoid that general area next time because there are a lot of dangerous people who hang around there" as being 100% responsible for the assault.

[Y2KxD]

Because their actions can lead to being assaulted. It's like a person glassing money in the hood and getting mugged. Should he get mugged? No. Is it his fault? Partially yes.

[Subarugirl]

You’re comparing sexual assault victims to cash?…. You realize the most sexual assault victims are minors right?

[Y2KxD]

By Hollywood sexuals

[Subarugirl]

I was 7 when I was sexually assaulted.. how was that my fault? You think my pajamas were too sexy and I was sending the wrong message? What about my sister? She was 5.

[LegendaryIcon]

cause the assaulter wants to get away with murder

ya know, kind of like rittenhouse

[LegendaryIcon]

@Jouth it was not self defense dude. GET OVER IT

[LegendaryIcon]

@ObscuredBeyond no dude, just no