Should the government pay men to act as black kids fathers?

[Anonymous]

Okay the main problem with the black community is that close to 70 percent of all black kids are fatherless. This has caused the MLB to go from around 18 percent black in the 1980s to just 7 percent black right now. I think that in order to fix this we should change welfare so that a single mom won’t get more welfare if she raising kids alone and she would receive the same amount of welfare money that a mom that was raising her kids with the kids father would get. I also think that in the meantime we should pay men money to live with black women and help raise their kids, this is important because if we do this we will get more black MLB players since a kid usually learns baseball from his dad. I also think we should give black fathers a monthly payment to motivate them to stick around and not abandon their kids. I just think that we need to do all of this to increase the number of black fathers in communities.

[ohshee]

This is the most stupidest thing I've ever heard on here no it's called if you can't be responsible don't have children and if you do have children grow the fuck up and teach your children Who TV how did the what to be it doesn't matter what color you are he has nothing to do with color it has something to do with being responsible and making our planet a better planet teach your kids to be a leader no matter what fucking color you are another race big question if you can't be a part of the solution get the fuck off the planet because you're part of the problem

[notwoke]

Your idea is terrible. Even more people would have children they don't have interest in raising in order to get paid. Then other races would want to get paid to have kids. Who's paying for all this? Nearly every adult has kids so every adult is going to get paid and the ones who need to pay for it are the same people. I think you would collapse society. here are some options that will work. 1. Get rid of all welfare. When I was young if a young couple got a divorce both parents had to move back in with their parents to make ends meet. Hence, almost no one got a divorce. 2. Penalize people who have kids when they aren't financially ready with mandatory community service. 3. Tie all women's tubes in HS and only make them fertile again if they prove they are responsible and have financial readiness. by the way, your post also disproves and this systemic racist crap, right on point

[PrettyPriya]

Goodness I read about three sentences. Are you racist?

[Asker]

No, I just want more black MLB players.

[PrettyPriya]

First, I don’t know what MLB is, nor will I look it up. That said, explain your position. Thanks

[Asker]

MLB is Major League Baseball and we need more black dads because baseball is a father and son sport.

[PrettyPriya]

Ok, so I’m confused and perhaps you can elaborate. How many father and sons play professional sports at the same time, regardless of race?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Yikes. I thought Priya was pretty smart.

Take a deep breath and actually read the question. He obviously isn't racist. You belittle yourself by choosing not to read the question then responding with prejudice attacks.

I think a lot better of you than that and I'd prefer to keep it that way.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

How many kids learn to play and love baseball from their moms?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Obama said that not having a father figure reduces a child's chance of success and increases their chances of becoming a criminal. That isn't racist. That is common sense.

Don't you think paying women extra to throw their kids dad out and not let them have a father has a disproportionally negotiate affect on young black men in America?

The statistics sure back that up.

If you want less black people in jail and more black people in high paid positions you want more black father's to be a part of their childrens lives.

And if that's racist go take it up with Obama because he's the one who brought those statistics into the public eye.

[PrettyPriya]

@Lost_in_the_Woods

You have the wonderful option to block me, just as you have the option to. Choose what news cycles you watch.

I advise to exercise those rights, instead of insult. Thanks.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I didn't insult you.

You are the only one refusing to have a civil discussion.

Why do people on the left refuse to talk about anything that doesn't fit their narrative, resort to personal attacks and think the only solution is to block, silence or condemn people?

That isn't tolerance. That is the opposite of tolerance. All I said was that I think you are better than that.

Do you have anything to say about the actual question or are you just here to throw stones? Because I went to public school. Name calling has no effect on me.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I said I thought you were pretty smart, I I thought better of you than to expect you to belittle yourself by choosing to look foolish by replying to a question you haven't read.

If those are Insults to you, shit... I guess I'll have to change my opinion but I'd really rather not think that's the best you can do.

Not everyone who disagrees with your preconceived ideology is attacking you personally.

I said good things about you. I just pointed out that you make yourself look bad by choosing not to read the question and posting a response that is way off base. I said think better if you than that.

I do dumb things and look stupid too. Remember when I was off by a factor of 10 about the national debt? That was embarrassing.

None of us are perfect. I was grateful to the guy who pointed that out and he was a whole lot less complimentary that I was trying to get you to actually read the question Instead of jumping right into the slanderous personal attacks.

I think you are better than that. But hey, I'm not here to tell you who to be. It's your choice. I just don't see how you think I was off base for saying I think well of you and think your comment was within reason.

That doesn't add up.

[PrettyPriya]

@Lost_in_the_Woods

Yes, you said you thought I was smart. You are therefore implying that I’m not, no?

I am always up for discussion. What do you mean “left”? I haven’t a clue what you are referring to. Perhaps you can elaborate.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

What a backwords way of thinking. I don't even know how to respond to that.

If I said I thought you were an idiot would you take it as a compliment? Or is literally everything and attack?

It's really beside the point.

You refused to read the question, immediately jumped to a pretty serious personal attack, then tried to divert from that by claiming to be the victim because someone said they thought better of you than that.

That really makes you look bad. It doesn't add anything to the conversation except for dirt and drama.

Why are you doubling down on that Instead of explaining your stance on how welfare encourages and rewards the exclusion of father figures which has been proven to have deeply negative affects on the children and society as a whole by leading to lower rates of success and higher rates of crime?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

It's not a racist question. Obama pointed that out and nobody called him racist for it.

But it's a question the left can't seem to answer so you race right to "I didn't read the question, but I'm going to accuse you of racism."

That's not virtuious. That isn't intelictual. That is a slanderous personal insult.

Saying I thought you were better than that was a compliment that I'm less and less convinced you deserve.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

What do you want people to think of you when they see that smut?

"She refused to read the question and attacked the asker's character so she must be morally and intelictualy superior and he must be bad and wrong and evil?"

Because that's not what people see. Choosing to be ignorant and starting with insults are not commendable strategies.

You're offended that I said that was beneath you. So act like it is. The more you double down on it the more it becomes you.

[SecretsofKB]

@Lost_in_the_Woods

Well, I've read the question and she isn't wrong.

This seems inherently racist, even if they didn't intend it to be.

And you attacking her doesn't help anyone.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Racism is the belief that one race is inherently superior to another.

How is the idea that we should do something to midagate the harmful effects of welfare on disproportionally black youth racist?

Was Obama racist when he said statistics show that not having a father hurts the child?

If you are so sure of your stance, why don't you discuss that Instead of throwing unsupported insults.

Back it up. Don't just call the other person names. That's childish squabbling.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

We're 18 posts into this and I'm the only one discussing the question.

If you have a point to make let's hear it.

If all you can do is hurl baseless attacks than you aren't really perticipateing in a debait you are trying to have a pissing contest and quite frankly I refuse to perticipate because I won so many of those as a child I reevaluated my goals and sympathies.

[SecretsofKB]

@Lost_in_the_Woods

The asker mentioned paying people to live with black women and raise their children...

That's singling out one race as being incapable of raising their children without outside help. That's not racist?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

This is why your side is losing ground by the minute.

Calling the other person names isn't an argument. It sure as shit doesn't solve any problems.

So skip it. It only makes you look bad.

Do you have a point to make about the effects of welfare on fatherless youth or don't you? Cus so far you haven't been able to produce one.

[SecretsofKB]

@Lost_in_the_Woods wow.

If you're not even willing to have a discussion or even look at what I wrote, you are no better than what you're calling us.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

He didn't say we should pay white people to do it.

He said "why are we paying black mother's to exclude the father? Obama said it would be more beneficial to the children to encourage fatherhood. Wouldn't that money be better spent to reward united parenting Instead of punish it?"

And the answer is obviously yes.

Isn't it obvious that the current system of inancially encouraging and rewarding mother's excludeing father's is disproportionally affecting black youth, by reducing their chances of having a father in the home which has been proven to lead to better outcomes?

Nobody is saying black parents can't raise their kids. Will Smith is a fantastic father. He is one of my personal role models. But, if there isn't a problem why are so many black mother's on welfare, so many black father's absent, and so many black children more likely to end up incarcerated Instead of successful because as Obama pointed out, not having a father in the home leads to less support which leaves a vaccum that gangs intentionally abuse to recruit underprivileged youth?

Isn't is more racist for the government to disproportionally encourage black mother's to put their children at higher risk of falling into a life of crime because they have a lower chance of success by paying them extra to exclude their fathers from their lives?

How do you think that is better than encouraging fatherhood?

What is your proposal to turn around the trend where a widespread lack of black father figures leads to inequitable outcomes?

Or do you think we should keep encouraging those inequitable outcomes?

Because if you ask me, suggesting that the current outcomes are acceptable can only come from a place of ignorance or selfishness.

Isn't it racist to spend tax dollars to disproportionally reduce the chances of success for black youths?

How do you justify the current outcomes?

Or, what is your suggestion to address those disparities?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Timestamps are important. I am more than happy to address your comments as soon as I see them.

I had not seen your comment. I was busy responding to it when you tried to go back to the pissing contest.

But thanks for pointing out I was right about my previous point.

I wonder if you can start actually addressing the issue now... I sure hope so because this has been a huge waste of time so far.

[SecretsofKB]

@Lost_in_the_Woods

No... you're not right. You're not. And you're right. This turned into a pissing contest the moment you showed up originally.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

No. I'm trying to direct the conversation to the facts and you have not addressed them once.

You two are making it personal. I'm saying let's be above that and discuss the issues but you have failed to do that with flying colors so I'm forced to believe personal attacks are the best you've got and assume you don't have anything like a well supported argument to back up your stance.

Do you even have a stance? Are you saying the welfare system works and produces adequate results? Because that would be laughable.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

6/7 comments that address the topic are mine.

And that's if I count the one where you said "The asker mentioned paying people to live with black women and raise their children..."

Which really didn't address anything. Because first of all, he didn't say paying white people. Anyone who will live with these ladies and be a father to a fatherless child.

And second of all, I'm sure the asker would apply the same policy to white familes.

The issue about race is that black youth are disproportionally hurt by the current policy of paying mom's to exclude dad's.

That's hurting minority's the most.

That's the point. It's absolutely not racist.

And you have flamboyantly run circles around it refusing to discuss anything on topic.

"It's not that I'm bad at soccer, I was just aiming for the goalie, not the goal"

Alright. Sure. That's called being stupid.

And we all do dumb things sometimes. But I guess if you keep doing it over and over you must not be able to do any better. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

What's your plan to address the harm caused to black youth by the absence of father figures?

Do you think we should continue to spend money to encourage it at the determent of these kids futures?

The outcomes of the current system are clearly disparet. How should we address that disparity? Or do you think the racial inequality should be encouraged and perpetuated?

Seriously, if you have an answer or a better plan I'd like to hear it. This is your chance.

Show the world what your stance and your idea is and show me that you actually do have one.

I believe in you. Just take a shot at it. You'll get a much better response out of me if you can at least play a card here. Doesn't even have to be the right one. Just try to actually take part in the discussion about policy or you won't be a part of it.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I want you to be a part of the discussion. But if you can't even field your stance, you can't defend it. And that's why the left is losing bad.

Produce your own point of view and explain why it is better. Don't sit in the mud and throw rocks at the guy who has an idea. Show us all a better one or say you want to keep things the way they are.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I honestly think it's a bad idea.

I think the best solution in the short term is to pass a law that punishes people who have children they can't afford to raise by making them do community service at child centric organizations to earn their welfare.

Stop having kids you can't afford. Keep the take breaks for married couples, give each parent the same amount of welfare and maintain the requirements for child support if one parent isn't perticipateing
to meet the child's needs.

But shit. It seems like the least we could do is stop paying extra for the mom to throw the dad out and put the child at a substantially higher risk of becoming a criminal.

Why would we reward that?

It isn't racist to say that is a terrible policy. It's disproportionally harmful to black children to continue that policy.

[BeMuse]

Just cut all welfare, public housing, and EBT. Then people that can't afford children will not have children. Couples that want children will stick together because they need 2 incomes. That's what works for other races.

[BeMuse]

Communism always targets the family in order to make individuals dependent on the state. Black fathers are dependent on the prison system just like Russians sent to work camps. Black women and children are dependent on welfare, public housing/section 8, EBT cards/free school lunch... The more you prop up communism, the more broken the family will be and the more enslaved a people will be to the state...

[BeMuse]

It's pretty fucking basic...

[Leonharted]

That's already a thing. It's called "foster parents." The motivation to raise boys into men should not be financial.

[Dargil]

You should, but pick a place to live carefully and be prepared to sacrifice financially to live there.

[RolandCuthbert]

What the fuck?

Get out of here with that stupid mess.

[OddBeMe]

More bullshit to conquer! Thanks CDC!
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf

[JCrockett]

I agree that's a massive problem, but I don't think paying men to be cucks is a solution.

[Reijen]

I would say, reduce welfare period, especially to single parents.
When you incentivize single parenthood, one can't be surprised that it occurs more.

[Raidernation01]

It's called foster care, and race is irrelevant. What a dumbass!

[anylolone]

Wouldn't work. Biggest problem with fatherlessness is not abandonment but alienation.
Those mothers do not want to share parenting rights.

[Jouth]

they should pay black kids to be their own father's

[Jouth]

that way they will have a job and a Dad

[Anonymous]

Insane that 70% of black kids don't have dad. Or any kid a matter of fact.

[Asker]

Ya it truly is crazy and also a sad fact as well.

[doopayo]

Question: are you black yourself?

[Asker]

Nope I’m white.

[doopayo]

Than why ask this question. You don’t understand what you’re talking about, that’s like me speaking for disabled individuals when I myself am not disabled and know nothing about the struggles they go threw

[Fuentes]

Do you eat crayons?