Apparently mask mandates work. Now you might ask why didn't we see this disparity between states and counties that did and didn't impose mask mandates in the US. The reason is simple: there is a lot more interstate commerce than international travel on a per person basis so if one state acts irresponsibly, the neighboring ones are going to get fucked over even if they act responsibly. Some of you will probably say "wait if sick people come in from other states but masks prevent the spread of COVID, why would that matter if the sick people have to wear masks". Simple: masks decrease the probability of spreading the disease (the beta variable in the SIR model), they don't prevent the spread entirely. The rate at which new people are infected (dI/dt) is dependent on the probability of spreading it AND the total number of people infected. While a mask mandate in a state could on its' own keep the spread rate down, you will still have more infected people coming in from other states to drive up the new infection rate. This highlights why far more responses should have been enacted at the federal versus the state level and any fight against a pandemic is a collective one first and an individual one second.This is America, if you want the government to tell you what to do, go to China.
The CCP didn't tell people not to cram wild animals so close together in cage that they shit, piss, spit and bleed all over each other which is why we're in this predicament in the first place.
Did you read the report that showed COVID death rates (deaths per/100000 people) were 6 times lower in those with mask mandates?
In general for me it's more about life experience then much else. At some point most people have experienced the effect of a coworker coming to work sick and it quickly spreading through the place you work at or the same happening when we are in school. Also it's less about rights and more about people accepting their acts as a individual effecting others. I mean I have gotten to a point where I'm tempted to ask people who are so against wearing a a mask if they routinely drive drunk. Because if they are not willing to admit our actions as a individuals can lead to consequences for the people around them, how far do they take their view.
Also it isn't about rights, because a right can't be taken away. Forcing Japanese citizens into concentration camps during world war 2 shows that our supposed rights can be taken away. So we all should be calling them privileges. Also many people think their government won't lead them to a firing squad, concentration camp or the gallows tell their government does. So thinking that their government won't is illogical. Simply because human history has shown us that people in power can and will go to extreme lengths to keep a hold of their power and gather more.
correlation fallacy: countries with mask mandates are more likely to be advanced western countries. but a consequence of living such high quality lives is that we jump at shadows and overreact
The lockdowns did not work. but don’t take my word for it; follow the….. science
"correlation fallacy: countries with mask mandates are more likely to be advanced western countries. "
But as for those publications:
-They were comparing how lock downs impacted the mortality rate in the first phase of the pandemic when other factors like proximity to travel hubs, population density or what strain they are hit with play a bigger role (and the harder they get hit the stricter the lock down will be; this is like saying pesticides don't work because the places where they're used most have the most pests). Later, policy make a bigger difference.
i think we both know mexico and all the other 3rd world countries are not enforcing any mask mandates or anything else
i bet this map is playing fast and loose "with "REQUIRED" in 3rd world countries. but i was right, most of the advanced countries demand it... because luxury makes us stupid
haha, my view is the future. once america withdraws and stops funding these 3rd world savages and the global birth rate goes down to the point where the tax base cannot support generous social spending and all global stability is reduced
we'll see if the 3rd looks more like your optimistic pie in the sky too much academia nonsense. or my correct time tested view
I pass gas a lot. Do you know if there are any studies on whether the masks keep the feces particles from entering my or anyone else’s respiratory tract. The reason I am concerned is because they still smell like cow poop when I have the mask on and that really worries me a lot. Holding in my farts hurts sooo bad. What am I to do. Combust?
But when it is over (because COVID-19 is no longer causing excess deaths) and social distancing rules and mask mandates are lifted, you'll concoct some narrative about how you encouraged the people to rise up and get the tyrannical boot of the government off them.
You’re just gonna have to cry about it a bit more. Latest Monmouth university poll shows 70% of Americans are ready to move on. Denmark and UK have lifted all restrictions. Canada will be shut down until they lift their restrictions then the dems will realize their asses are grass in the midterms and loosen the few rules left in the US.
Countries can move on when they have higher vaccination rates. Things are basically normal here with few restrictions because of omicron. We have 94% vaccinated.
It said that over half support mask mandates. Regarding what 70% said 'Fully 7 in 10 Americans (70%) agree with the sentiment that “it’s time we accept that Covid is here to stay and we just need to get on with our lives”'
I. e. accept that this is just the way it's going to be.
But hey, remember this country was founded to give people a say in how they're governed (the whole idea of individualism is just historical revisionism that came from the frontier thesis and was bolstered by the cold war).
@Ad_Quid_Orator you can keep wearing your mask like an idiot for the rest of your life. I really, honestly don’t care. I’ll mock you. But you can keep doing it. Have fun. But guess what…I don’t have to take part in your paranoid hypochondria. And I won’t. So go ahead and get your representatives to pass mandates. I will not comply.
@joeldalton And when the pandemic's over and all of this is lifted your fear mongering about government overreach will be exposed for the Bullshit it is.
Doesn't seem like you've experienced other cultures. I can't imagine you being this way if you have. And if you're refusing to follow the rules. Most countries will not let you in.
You just stated I can't leave my own country. I proved you to be full of shit. Now you're pretending it's not "good enough" traveling? Are you retarded?
@joeldalton this isn't a thing to be like ah gotcha Im just letting you know as you're going to be in a highly infected place, probably doing touristy shit which means you'll probably be around more people than you usually are 🙂 I hope you have a good time though
I certainly will have a good time. I was in the same town there last year and loved it so much I booked another for this year.
Thanks for your concern. I hate to break it to you, but your government has broken your brain. I've led my normal life for almost 2 years now with no issues. I go out to eat, in stores, on vacation, I go to (American) football games, the movie theater, the gym, and meet with family and friends for social gatherings.
They have you so worked up you think you walk outside and drop dead. It's actually really sad how they've damaged your brain. To the point where you fight to stay in their control.
@joeldalton yep. But that's not a problem because I'm not an adult sized baby who throws a fit. It's the same as no shirt, no shoes (not relevant here) no service. No vaccine, no mask, no service. You can throw your fits there but I'm happy following these guidelines because they OBVIOUSLY work.
@joeldalton not really. Being vaccinated or wearing a mask in a store or at work doesn't really restrict me from living my life. I'm living my life as normal with these things. Be kinda stupid to let miniscule things ruin your daily routine 🤷🏻♀️
You changed the way you were living your life to conform with government mandates, by definition that isn't your normal life. Just like your BS about travel, you get called out and say "well yeah, not normal but I didn't mind".
@joeldalton wearing a mask doesn't make life abnormal. Makes it annoyingly hot sure. But again these miniscule things are what has kept our cases and deaths significantly low, which is all that matters to me. So I don't care about having to do them. I'm not going to throw a temper tantrum because I have to put a mask on when walking into a store or cry over having to show my vaccine pass when I go eat some delicious food, it takes 2 seconds.
It certainly does make life abnormal. I really don't care how you personally feel about it. If you like to live your life as a slave to your government's whims, that's fine. Go ahead. Just keep your hypochondria to yourself. Don't drag me into your mental illness.
@joeldalton Yeah, but mask mandates and social distancing laws were lifted after the Spanish Flu pandemic ended. State of emergencies following hurricanes and earthquakes (which have included martial law) were repealed as soon as the danger passed. See the difference: the examples you cited were enacted as a response to a foreign threat or subversive faction versus a force of nature.
This is another example where anyone can use data to prove whatever they want.
From the WHO and Johns Hopkins COVID data, the worldwide death rate from COVIS is about 2% of those who actually catch COVID. That means for every 100 people who catch COVID, 2 people die. To be 6 times better than that (as this question airports for mask mandates), less than 1 person per 100 dies.
The "6-times lower" sounds significant, but it's not, it's an improvement from 2 to <1 per 100 people.
If you had to chose between wearing a mask for 2 years in a public space or picking up one of 8 revolvers (one of which had a bullet put in one of the chambers and the cylinder spun; i. e. a ~2% chance you die), which would you chose?
well question is: do you wanna run around with a mask in your face for the rest of your life?
and what are the long term effects of that, if you think about herd immunity. a collective immune system can't work properly, if it isn't worked out regularly. so i think we may pay for a short term reduction in mortality with a long term increase. due to weakening of the human immune system as a collective ressource.
also as far as i see from the study, there's merely a coincidence, not a correlation or even causative effects. so those results should still be taken with a grain of salt, cause as far as i see, other variables that influence death rates and infectiousness were not accounted for.
well you think this was the last pandemic? go read the definition of a "Pandemic" from 2009 and compare it to the one used by the WHO today. they are lowering the bar successively to try to force oppressive and invasive government action on people. this covid pandemic is not a global health crisis in my opinion. it's a global policy crisis.
i mean if you wanna legitimate mandates through reduction in mortality, then look at how many people die to smoking or obesity covid is a joke compard to how many people die to those 2 things annually. why do we not mandate a healthy diet and ban smoking, if we were "interested" in people not dying and being unhealthy?
Oh boy, more fearmongering about government overreach. Similar measures were imposed during the 1918 pandemic and as soon as the pandemic was over, they were lifted. Also, while fear mongering has been used to reconcile power by authoritarian regimes, the "boogeyman" isn't a force of nature. However, downplaying the severity of natural disasters has long been used by private concentrations of power to prevent collective action in the face of it and making it easier to prey on the public.
exactly, covid isn't going to just go away. plus there are plenty of other terrible diseases and illnesses going around and we never had to wear masks for them, so its pointless.
@Ad_Quid_Orator sooo you seriously think covid is just going to just like, disappear one day? hmm, wonder why the flu never disappeared along with plenty of other illnesses...
@lrina The Spanish Flu didn't disappear but rather it became endemic and reached an equilibrium with its' new host. COVID will do the same and all this talk about government overreach will be exposed for the fear mongering that it is.
@Ad_Quid_Orator yeah, you do have a point. but with covid it seems more unlikely since it spreads so quickly and people often don't realize that they even have it until much later.
@lrina The flu is still around but it's not causing a pandemic. There have been influenza pandemics but those didn't come from variants that were already infecting humans; they jumped to humans from other species of animals.
We don't even know if this isn't a flu pandemic cause we're never bothered to PCR test for flu. 2018 was a historically bad flu season and nobody even noticed. Know why? Cause media wasn't involved and we didn't do a million tests with healthy, symptom free citizens every single day.
We don't even know how many people died and that's the reason we don't freak out about flu.
The omicron variant doesn't kill nearly as many people and is even less bad than influenza but media and government is still dear mongering, so why do you say it's me who's fear mongering? I'm just saying what's already happening. Not what nicht be happening in since dystopian future.
The problem with the Covid studies is how difficult it is to get isolated subjects to measure. States with mask mandates also will have a huge positive correlation with vaccinated people. It’s not really possible to say it’s because of masks when vaccination, lock downs, etc also come into play. It also matters when the study took place. Omicron is a completely different virus. Cloth masks stand no chance against it. The study was done from Feb to May 2020. That’s when alpha was first coming around. That’s when no one had any idea what’s going on. The study ends in may, conveniently cutting out when New York started locking their Covid + seniors in the rest homes and obliterating their old person population (he gave the order on may 10). The deaths completely changed at that time, as stated like Florida’s deaths started to fall even as their cases went up.
Yeah there could be any number of other factors because countries that used mask mandates usually also would implement things like social distancing laws and vaccine mandates that would also slow the spread rate. Either way, policy works and leaving a fight against a pandemic to the individual doesn't.
If you are concerned for your safety, you have the right to quarantine yourself indefinitely in your own home 🏠
Stop trying to make the rest of us normal people bend the knee to these wide-eyed, weird authoritarian measures. Medical apartheid is not okay and it breaks almost every rule of bioethics to force people to take medicine at the threat of being unpersoned.
I have never, ever needed my medical records or a medicine to go to walmart. This madness has to stop.
So that makes it what 360 in 100,000 people. Ohh heavens to betsy thats so worth letting the government dictate your behavior. You know what makes corona less lethal, not paying hospitals 50k per covid death. Thats how you get people who got stabbed in the heart but tested positive for covid getting covid listed as cause of death.
That’s why the Bible says “my people will perish for lack of knowledge” when people walk around and follow each other like sheep. They’ll have to face to unreversible consequences. Is not hard to find out what C0ViD actual is! people humans when they’re low conscientious they don’t wanna listen. Or learn! Eventually they’ll die because of it.
Do you have any of your own thoughts? how does it feel to just take what you heard in the mainstream media repeat it don’t you feel ashamed of being a human and still acting like a sheep? I always wondered how over 200,000 soldiers followed Hitler.
because people like you would’ve been one of them!
Yes hitler! Less than 100,000 later different event same mindset.
Mac yaah you look healthy!! Is that how you’ve changed your mind? To not be able to find the big hidden secret of staying fit? Eating fruits and vegetables and working out is so difficult. That everyone knows it and no one does it.
@someguy her uncle clears about his health so much. He ate only fruits and vegetables and was in shape! And he exercised. And he died from C0ViD. After health attack. He got C0ViD.
I’m sorry I can’t take anyone seriously that would mock my uncles death. That’s really low. It was soon after my dads funeral so it was really hard to go through another death and he was an amazing man. I’m not responding to this anymore. You don’t want to have a civil conversation.
people need to take self responsibilities. Did uncle eat fruits and vegetables? And took herb for Medicine? And exercised all the time? And went out in the sun and etc.. which is the foundation of health. Is so simple no one does it.
Many, perhaps most of the viruses that infect humans came from animals, including smallpox (cows) and influenza (pigs and birds). More recently there was MERS (Middle-Eastern Respiratory Syndrome), another coronavirus acquired from camels.
*Sarcasm, come on in!* Why haven't surgeons and doctors thought of that? It would also help with overpopulation. Since all doctors and surgeons would die, we would too in a couple of generations...
@MAC1983 the reason surgeons wear masks isn't for their own safety, it's to prevent the spread of viruses and bacteria into the patient. The reason that mask wearing reduces the deaths from covid is the same idea.
I'm sorry, it was late and I misread you or chose the wrong comment. Note that masks, visors, and full body suits are also to protect the health professionals, not just the patients - they are always at risk, obviously.
No and I don't care. It needs to end now. My rights as an American are important, more important than the left's authoritarian, often evidence-thin policies.
Supporting authoritarianism is anti-mental health and well being. So it's the masking, mandate supporting, propaganda drinkers who are a threat to public health. They are the "good Nazis". They, themselves are scared of getting sick, but they pretend that their concern is for others.
@Lliam Public safety measures in the face of a pandemic aren't authoritarian and if you think 9%, 25% or 40% of the population should have to isolate themselves from society or risk contracting a deadly disease, you've fallen knee deep in the Nazi "us versus them" mentality.
You've fallen down the anti-politic rabbit hole of thinking government is the only thing that can take away people's freedoms.
Gullible people like you are why advanced countries like Germany can fall under the boot of totalitarianism.
Pandemic my ass. If there was, people would see it in real life and not just on their evening news. The powers that be wouldn't have to censor information and coordinate their propaganda efforts. People wouldn't need a fraudulent test to tell them that they are sick.
Dude, you are living under a rock, isolated from truthful science and information. Yet, people like you would enthusiastically destroy civilization and feel righteous in doing so.
Those who fell into the mindset of viewing others as lesser or different (how you view the vulnerable because you think you not having to wear a mask is more important than them being cooped up in their houses on pain of death) is how Nazism came to power.
Yes. Because you are a blind order follower. It has nothing to do with common sense. Anthony Fauci wrote an entire paper in 2008 about the fact that most people who died during the Spanish flu, died from bacterial pneumonia caused by wearing masks, not from the flu. Now the pseudopandemic conspirators are desperately walking back the mask part, claiming that he never said that.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Omicron kills around 1 in a million people. Perhaps all the people that die from it were about to die anyway!! Yet you're more than willing to throw your and 300 million peoples' rights away over what is a complete non-issue, overhyped by the legacy propaganda media. Get a clue!!!
@the_Brandon It will always be there. The worst part of the pandemic is behind us. Viruses get weaker with time, that’s science not a matter of opinion.
@Kingofkings1992 viruses can mutate though, that's the only real concern. but yeah, it's true that covid or some variant of it will probably just stay here for forever.
@lrina People with pre-existing conditions compromise 40% of the US population; if that many people isolated themselves it would fuck up the economy worse than the great depression did (let alone the lockdown).
Yeah but no matter how many facts and proof that mask work, anti mask idiots will ignore it. You could find put if you wear the mask you can't get covid at all, and they would still say it's bullshit
I would say just more liberal bull shit. Like global warming bull shit. Like 99% of Americans are racist bull shit. Like Russian voted so Trump would win election in 2016 bull shit.
i didn't read that but it makes sense. I did read the science that shows its helpful to mask and reduce the spread. it was about the covid molecule size and the n95 mask filter size shows it will filter out a cough or sneeze molecules from passing.
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