That is how America was founded and should go back to that way.
Hmm... back to a time when indigenous people were pushed out of their own lands? Sorry, but I don't agree with that logic.
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Generally speaking, you only take an influx of people in when you've got your own ducks in a row. For various reasons, the significant majority of countries are struggling or failing to even provide for the people they already have, and the US is no exception. In fact it has historically rarely been an exception despite most of its largest waves of immigration happening at the worst possible times.
Your argument is basically that because empty land exists, we have room. Really? You're going to just pluck some refugees from the border and sit them down in some empty land somewhere? That's not charity; that's a humanitarian crisis, which is exactly what's going on at the border. It's also a dumb argument because almost every country on the planet with the exception of smaller former bloc countries and some in southeast Asia have "empty land."
Texas has exactly four metropolitan areas where roughly 85% of the state population lives: Dallas-Fort Worth, Austin, Houston, and San Antonio. Almost anything beyond that area, or mid-sized cities like Lubbock and Odessa-Midland do not have anything close to the infrastructure needed to support even a relatively small building project. If you travel more than *maybe* an hour from those centers, you will find little more than ghost towns. Thanks mainly due to the mass migration of businesses and wealth from the northeast and west coast, the cost of land is going through the roof, and it's very plausible that large chunks of Texas cities are going to become overrun with homelessness in the near future. Austin is already well on its way and looked down on as a mini-California. The costs of materials to build or even maintain new housing are also shooting through the roof too, so to head off your logical next question: don't expect any of the above to favorably change in less than 5 years, and that's assuming that state and federal governments nationwide pull their collective heads out of their asses and actually start doing things right, rather than pandering to people's fleeting emotions.
(1.) There is no inherent right to live where you please, humans are territorial and territory may only exchange hands under agreed exchange or by force (like war).
(2.) They're not coming here to contribute sweetheart they want benefits without having to put the work in. They know where they come from sucks but that they can get benefits here no matter their employment status or ability. If our social safety nets were based on merit this wouldn't be problem but they aren't.
(3.) It's not about how much land or not is available because that doesn't change economics. Immigrants don't come in, establish a commune out in the middle of nowhere, and live. They move into urban areas and compete with the native population for resources, jobs, and housing. They also do not share a similar culture to the native population which will cause resentment.
In summary, borders and laws n sh*t exist for a reason because of how human history and doctrine regarding nation-states works and your feelings can't undo thousands of years of established proper standards.
As a person from the third world, I honestly understand governments concern. Since I would take decisions such as what they do.
I have tried an immigration program to Canada, I don't love the weather but I certainly love their social system. I was rejected, and their terms are so hard I think I must be sort of 200 IQ shit, and 3 million years of work experience.
But honestly, there's something in western governments laws that I find despicable. And that's when they say you have to marry a citizen in order to come, and I can't have this face like some people honestly
"Hi, I want to marry you just to live in your country"... This fucks up the whole concept of family and relationships and marriage..
So I have to be a good lair, I have to be extremely deceptive and degenerate in order to be immigrant, this is how the law works, then they complain why immigrants are like this or that. And then they say honestly, unless you are trafficked and smuggled to our lands, you're not welcome. you won't just knock on the door like a human being who respects himself and our laws, may I come in I like your system and your income per capita I want to participate grow this economy.
So people are worried about changing demographics, their worried immigrants are coming to rip them of their values. And I honestly understand they don't like the immigration system...
Otherwise you better believe it, there are a lot of Conservatives who are really not bigots, they like to foster friendships from other cultures and so on.
I have good friends from Texas, and they are difinitely not what liberals want to view them, just like because they hate the downside of classic America.
Well... I don't live in Texas. I live in fucking Sweden that over the course of deccades have had a VERY generous immigration policy. Here are some things you need to know about accepting people in huge quantities.
It's not a matter of economy nor space for them to live. It's a matter of how well and quickly your society can integrate and house those that get to your country. My country is cold. A sudden increase in population will cause issues when it comes to housing and people can't survive here without housing. Housing needs electricity and to meet the very sudden need of housing you have to upgrade your power distribution. The people that come here are gonna need to go to school, learn a new language, customs as well as a trade. Many refugees therefore are unable to contribute, as you say, for years.
While this process is full underway many people will suffer and think their situation unfair, it will lead to a sudden increase in crimes, need for more investment into your justice system, police as well as the cost of damage from riots, gang violence etc.
Meanwhile as society tried it best politicians make a huge deal out of what is most humane and "the right thing to do" polarizing the population into different opposing groups with different morals, causing social problems as they start having trouble working togeather due to different values etc...
Need I go on?
Unless you're willing to put up resources I suggest you keep your mouth shut. The problem isn't that we don't have space, it's the financial burden and strain on our failing economy to support people who will be on the system for generations to come. Not to mention the fact that they will most likely vote blue and destroy our country even further. Most of these refugees skip over many other countries that would offer asylum because they cannot benefit from using the system the way they can here. Meanwhile if an American wanted to be a refugee in their country they would be shot on the spot.
Most of these people receive free healthcare, food stamps, housing and a slew of other things meanwhile veterans who served our country are left the suffer from ptsd homeless. It is wrong to help others if you don't help your own first.
Further more why let pedophiles and murders in? They do it all the time. Zero background checks. Half of these illegals have weapons meanwhile Americans are unarmed.
It should be America first! All day every day!
Because a lot of people don't contribute, and most countries' social welfare systems aren't -- and can't be -- strong enough to support everyone who wants to come but not contribute. Or who wants to come but *can't* contribute.
Especially since, the stronger the system and the more open the borders, the more people will pick THAT country when they're looking for someplace to go but not contribute.
Don't get me wrong: I'm in favor of much more open borders than most countries have right now. I do believe that anybody who wants to contribute should be allowed in, and almost anyone without a serious criminal record should be allowed to live somewhere on a temporary basis, to prove whether they're going to be an asset to the country or a drag on its resources. In that sense, I'm very much in favor of open borders.
But there has to be some way to allow countries to decide, "You've had two years to live in our country and all you've done is draw on our assistance services without even trying to work. We're not going to let you keep doing it forever."
Because often the people coming in don't respect the rules or politics of they place they're going to.
They want the money and life quality of the place, but they want to bring their country with them. Many refuse to integrate, they aren't interested in learning the language, and they often breed like rats.
I definitely support booting illegal immigrants out - If your first act upon entering a new country is to have broken its laws by entering, then you don't belong.
The higher quality of life will disappear as populations rise, shitty cultures don't integrate but instead compete with the host culture. If more and more people spill in, then nicer parts of the world become the same as the shittier parts of the world migrants both created, and were trying to escape in the first place.
People are against the idea because this is a constitutional republic. With anyone coming into the country without documentation, we start to have conflicting choices in how we should be governed because the people who are not documented will not have the same appreciation for the laws, policies, and officials they vote on as tax- paying citizens. For example, If you and your loved ones didn't have to pay taxes, would you care if you vote for an official who would raise taxes? Another concern is that open borders would be a big WELCOME sign for baddies (murderers, rapists, etc) from other countries. They escape conviction and continue their behavior in a new land with the advantage of anonymity.
The issue is we don’t elect based off popular vote… it’s based off the electoral college which is based off the US census which does not confirm immigration status. That means illegals are counted under the census and then used to determine the number of votes particular areas have…
Furthermore when you introduce new ways of thinking it can build a strong culture but some cultures don’t mix. We could never allow nazis to live here allowing Jews and blacks… I know Nazi isn’t a race but same concept. I do agree allowing people to live where they wants important though… we funnel minorities into small ghettos because that’s the only place they can afford. It makes for high crime areas along and leads to poor schooling opportunities.
I'm all for people coming when unemployment is non-existing but when citizens can't find jobs, and more people move in, is that really a good idea?
Then again, housing/rent is so high as it is, more people moving in will drive it even higher, people can't even find places to live as it is.
So first we need to get unemployment under 1% and then get housing costs down so that housing is affordable, then we can start opening the doors to those who can fill those jobs and have a place to live.
I'm from Texas as well, and the issue isn't about land but about economics and society in general. If tomorrow a group of religious fundamentalist moved into your area and started demanding for changes which will affect your lifestyle, then you will be forced to move elsewhere. Land prices are also different in different places, so people can't simply move in wherever they want since the cost of living will prevent them from doing so. I'm not too familiar with Los Angeles but I heard homelessness is an issue there.
If you eliminate all social safety nets that might work... That means no minimum wage, no social security, no medicare, no medicaid, no welfare. no food stamps, no stimulus checks, no food stamps, no public education, no fire service, no police service, no public hospitals, no free roads, etc. you get the idea? If you want public services then you have to wisely select who you are willing to include in your civilization. Are you ready to give all that up and go back to paying for everything on demand with no minimum wage and raw competition with no worker safety standards? Well are you?
Impoverished masses are fine so long as you get back to liberty and remove centralized government services that depend on tax dollars. The competition will eliminate the weak and dumb under a truly free system. A lot of people will be exploited under raw capitalism. Do you have the balls for that, or are you enjoying the comfortable life that was set up for you here?
We live in a culture defendant from an attitude that resources are limited and that we have to fight for them.
In reality, the only resource that matters is human ingenuity. We have the raw materials necessary too provide for every human on the planet, but not the unity too make it happen. Tribalism has divided us into nations and communities. Nationalism has made us enemies, with the interest of the state taking precedence over that of the people.
Selfishness has divided us as a species.
can I go live in your house? I will work and pay rent
but also my friend wants to come they work too and pay rent but doesn't clean
and also his cousins want to come too, I don't know if they work, some of them are lazy and just want to go because your house is nicer. Oh their mom wants to come too and her two sisters, they also work but need help because they can't work a lot.
also her neighbor wants to come too, they don't like to keep their yard clean but they just need to go to your house to make money.
We will go tomorrow if you agree thanks if not we might just have to break in and stay there we mean no harm at all, we can sleep in the living room and any spare rooms you have. I don't know them all too well so just keep your valuable under lock and key just in case.
see you soon! Thank you!! :D
Wow. This is nothing even compared to what I am saying. Living in a house is your private space. Also are you implying the ones coming across are lazy and don’t work?
it is exactly the same.. the president is the main head of the house. Not everyone that comes in is a hard worker. Some are people who just come to make money and don't even care to fix up their homes making the neighborhood (hour home) look trashy, because all they care about is making money to send back to the people in THEIR country. Others are just lazy and don't even bother to work at all and get free stuff. Some people come here, work and make a nice place around them, those are nice, if most were like that then it wouldn't be such a giant problem but the fact is that if you look around most just come to make money or to get free stuff and send back to their homeland to the rest of their family there. you can't pinpoint who is lazy, who will work, who is here to steal, who is here to make a better place or worse place. it is the same as going into your home, if you would not tolerate that, why should anyone? nobody can guarantee you anything. if it was just one person it's still a stranger but you might be open to let me in alone, maybe not, but surly not if I come with a shitload of people. c'mon open your eye. if you don't want your house to look like a mess, think of the entire country, you live in, it's your home and so many homeless already make it look bad. it's all sad.
Because it's not that simple. Plenty of immigrants come and don't work, especially the illegal ones. You also have no way to vet or see if any of them are criminals. I'm all for a REVAMPED immigration process to process more people in a more efficient manner. But they NEED to be required to work here and contribute to the economy. It's a very "grey" situation. Open borders is a pretty naive and silly policy without considering everything at hand. Look at how open borders affected a lot of European countries.
I can speak only for my own country. Venezuela is one of our neighbours. To say that that country is going down the tube is an understatement. So many Venezuelans are fleeing their country to seek a better life in other countries, and there has been a debate here about letting them in. The problem for my country, however, is that we simply don't have the land space or the resources to sustain everyone. In fact, partly because of the recent increase in the cost of living here, some of the Venezuelans already here have decided to return home to their own country.
Unfortunately we have yet to evolve beyond our previous tribal nature, despite all the advances we have made elsewhere, so continue to label people as being "other" due to the location of their birth.
Until we view all humans as human and our origin being the planet earth (as opposed to smaller and smaller sections of land thereon) we'll never truly survive as a species.
We do not really have the resources to take in millions of uneducated, indigent people. The government estimates that each illegal alien costs taxpayers between 30 and 50 thousand dollars per year per person. Multiply this by 3 or 4 million or more and it adds up to billions pretty fast. Healthcare facilities, and schools are overcrowded enough ans we have to take resources away from the elderly and veterans.
Gotta love how it's all liberal women carrying the banner for this. In reality, refugees commit a higher rate of crime and exploit welfare at a higher rate. These are facts, not theories. In addition they reproduce at 3 times the rate of civilized western people and eventually replace the population. I one hundred percent understand why people wouldn't want them here. Sounds good in theory to let people live wherever they want, but the consequences are disastrous in reality.
I agree with some of what you say but Western people don't reproduce because of Feminism, allowing women to marry later in life, promiscuity, and the ability for girls to have sex without consequences. If there were no more birth control pills, morning after pills, abortions, or condoms then it would solve the Western birthrate problem and the marriage problem. If people in government actually had the desire to rise birthrates, then it makes sense to restore the consequences that girls faced forever and also guys because guys would need to provide for children.
I believe it's a deeper issue than that because feminism has changed the whole mindset of the country. Women feel like they are empowering themselves by seeking a career instead of building a family. Also feminism has harmed gender relations so it's not as simple as subtracting birth control. The government would actually have to take measures to reverse these problems which I doubt it's going to do. Some people even say that the government wants to replace the population with immigrants to dilute the vote and control people easier.
You have a garden with 1000 strawberry bushes. You're 3 people and your yield is good enough for exchange of other stuff with strawberries as long as you're maintaining those bushes properly. Now 300 other people come into your garden, who want strawberries but don't want contribute any effort to keep those strawberry bushes alive.
What happens next?
Because that isn't what happens. In a perfect world you wouldn't need borders. Letting in large amounts of refugees also means a large amount of human and drug traffickers as well as various other criminals. They also have to go through the process of becoming citizens or getting work visa otherwise tax payers foot the bill for feeding and housing them.
I live in Texas as well and it affects everything. You also never know if people are being trafficked or drugs. I understand people wanting a better life, but you need to follow the process. Taxes, fuel, cost of living, medical and even food can go up. Everything has a domino affect. I also lose 37% of my checks and I probably won’t get my full benefits when I retire, because nothing will be there.
Then Democrats give them free stuff to buy their votes. We don't even take care of the homeless. How about this? Be the first to invite illegals and refugees to live in your house, eat your food draw from your bank and even have sex with you. Isn't that a great idea?
Are they? Or are they against more competition for limited resources in general, regardless of nationality? That’s something I’d question personally because these issues still do tend to exist within same nationality demographics I think, but perhaps it is more magnified when various cultures are added into the mix.
I feel I should clarify that my own personal opinion is that we all have a moral duty to help anyone fleeing war. That’s a priority.
Because they bring their culture with them.
Why not stay in the country of their own culture if they're so proud of it?
For example. Why the hell is there a mosque in my capital city? Why dont they go to a muslim country instead?
Why dont they show some respect and integrate into my culture?
Why are there women running around in curtains in my country?
Do you see the problem here
What is “your” “culture”
@SmokinAces2000 im from Slovenia.
Can you not handle people having different cultures then your own, emigrating to a country doesn’t mean that you just forget your own customs
@SmokinAces2000 so i can move to saudi arabia, open a bar and serve alcohol and pork?
Sure if you want your business to fail
@SmokinAces2000 my point is , i wouldn't be allowed to serve alcohol and pork because of their culture. So why should i agreed with them practicing their culture in any other country?
Your comparison is very weak, someone praying to Allah is not equivalent to serving pork in a country where over 90 percent of the people don’t eat that
@SmokinAces2000 so why do they worship allah in a country where 99%dont do it?
Because all they are doing is worshiping their god, if it really bothers you that much you should try opening up your mind
@SmokinAces2000 they got a mosque in our capital, their women wear those curtain things, they go back to their country to have their sons circumcised because its illegal to do so here and i got lectured once for drinking beer and worst of all, some of them dont even make an effort to use our language... do you see why i have a problem with them. they dont respect our culture.
Nazi and Communists War criminals come as Refugees. South American Communists and Bin Laden (s) come as refugees etc…. Are you so stupid to believe that other People or Nations love and respect you…because you are you or are American ⁉️
In a word, resources. Maybe not where you live, but I live in a overpopulated area that in about 15/20 years time is going to struggle to supply enough drinking water!
Statehood and borders are a good thing. It allows us to protect ourselves from drug dealers, gangsters, and terrorists who want to wreck your life whether you're aware of it or not.
people still need to pay taxes, yk. we're not willing to give up our hard earned money for some refugees to steal even more of it.
Because someone or something already lives their life there. You could give that land to the Apache’s maybe they start having 13 kids fill it up quick?
There's a reason why we can't let just anybody in the United States, because their are Mexican gangsters that wanna come in here and cause a lot of chaos, same with others like Arabian Muslims, you never know if one of those Muslims could be a terrorist in disguise, so that's why people and me are against that idea.
The war/welfare State makes open borders extremely dangerous and prohibitively costly.
More generally abusive cultures will use it to take over land and resources like locust with little reason to respect and preserve it for the future.
Because when you have open borders, you also have lots and lots of sex and drug trafficking. Millions die because of it.
The key word is Contribute! Not living off of the backs of the taxpayers.
Anyone with your ideas of open boarders should adopt these families and be legally responsible until they get a job and become contributors to society.
I am not against people coming in but I am against letting them in without any security. If we simply let Ukrainian refugees in without any checks, Putin could easily sneak a spy with them and they will enter the US with no problems.
They bring crime, drugs, and use our services (more taxes for working citizens). Plus some places allow illegals to vote in our elections.
The effect on cultural stability aside, mass immigration suppresses wages and increases the cost of living.
Don't worry. Trumpers will welcome as many Ukrainian women refugees as they can handle.
Mexico isn’t at war
It would cause less jobs to be available for native-born citizens.
Because you can't live anywhere you want. People in the middle east don't want us there and I don't want them here. So fucking what? I can't live anywhere I want either. The difference is, I can make do with where I am.
Immigrants from shithole countries are turning US into a shithole country.
Because truth be told a good chunk of people that come don't wanna contribute. And we have no good way of dealing with that.
It's hard to take an anonymous account seriously. Do you pay taxes?
Currently unemployed and focusing on university
So you have no say if you're not paying to support other people.
I can still vote and I voted for Joe Biden
Of course you did. Idiot.
She has issues
If they come here legally, they are welcome. If they come here illegally not welcome, they broke our laws and should be sent back not rewarded for breaking our laws
We are in the middle of a housing crisis. People can't afford to have a home right now or are having issues finding one. Why would we invite more people?
bad enough a large portion of non lazy hard working people are robbed to provide for bums and familys with 12 children on welfare. now we have to pay fora bunch of lazy foreign people too? no thanks.
You are assuming they are lazy. They are people from a developed country fleeing from war. Vast majority had jobs and lives. What's wrong with you?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 ok, if you're so concerned with them, why haven't you already been concerned for people suffering on the street homeless, why aren't YOU out there helping bud? since you care soooo much.
this dumpster country can't even solve its own issues, but no lets take a bunch of random people from different countries and had them free living, meanwhile, look at the state of this country HAHAHA. i love paying 600 dollars a week in taxes so the bitch ass police in my town can drive $85,000 chevy tahoes, and the chief can enjoy that 350,000 yearly salary. what else can we waste tax money on? oh i know a bunch of foreign people! man i love driving to work and hitting pot holes that could easily snap an axel. my highschool didn't even have air conditioning but hey, at least the county courthouse has giant 4k tvs all over the place, and brand new computers. gotta keep track of all the people the police extort and rob right
Because the homeless on the street are not fleeing from war. Most of them are in their situation because they made bad choices. Not because someone began to bomb their city.
The idea is not to grant them free living. The idea is to give them a place in the society. They have to contribute, of course they do. That should be required of them. But to do that they will need assistance. They don't have money or house when they arrive.
The only thing that open borders is good for is problems.
Well like middle ground is my stance. Yeah let people do what they want but still following procedure of some kind to respect each other’s space.
Because the unoccupied land should stay that way and demand already far exceeds supply in most cities
@CountessSarah explained the rest perfectly
because every action hurts someone. you must always ask yourself "who does this hurt" to see the true morality of it
the more immigrants you take in. the lower our wages
Because they’re an easy target for all the problems in the world. Though they contribute to practically none of them. Their refugees as far as I’m concerned.
Because in the real world you have to worry about the effects on jobs, infrastructure costs, traffic, government services etc...
Because 9 of 10 don't contribute. They won't work, they won't try to work, but they show up week after week for that government check!
Open borders means Texas would soon be as crowded per square mile as NYC. However, their are people that wouldn't enjoy living in NYC.
Because the irony fool. Libtards don't like the covidz. Yet let's open that shit.
Are you willing to reach into your own pocket to provide?
leave it to a woman to destroy entire countries with her idiotic marxist fantasies.
You ignorance is remarkable. But you can fix that with knowledge.
What happens when you put too many people in a lifeboat?
It sinks.
We have borders for the same reason we have locks on our doors.
We call them Xenophobes.
Now why they are xenophobic? I have no idea. They never made any sense to me.
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