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You saw the 1900s.You saw the 1800s.You saw the 1700s.And you saw the dark age.All of these fascist countries were military based empires of lies. AMERICA and NATO continues these lies on.Sad to see.
No, it is more socialist, military spending is just a tiny fraction of over all spending.
That previous chart you have is just taking discretionary spending and breaking it down, here is the overall picture of total federal spending.
As you see the US spends far more on social programs, Social Security, Healthcare, education, welfare, than Defense.
Discretionary spending is somewhere between 25% to 30% of total federal spending. Depending on budget year. That means overall military spending is not that much, even when you add non defense spending, it is around 17% total.
On a side note, in a few years the US will be spending as much on interest payments to service its debts as it does for military spending. It is quickly catching up.
Interest payments on national debt
As of October 2021, the interest paid for the 2021 fiscal year was $562.39 billion in accumulated monthly interest payments on U. S. Treasury notes and bonds; foreign and domestic series certificates of indebtedness, notes and bonds; savings bonds; Government Account Series (GAS); State and Local Government Series (SLGs)
People get a bit obsessed over military spending but often ignore that huge chunk of change for interest payments, that as the interest rate goes up will cost more.
Nope, we can acknowledge the flaws that America has but we can certainly NOT use the word fascist to describe America. That would be reaching and misusing the word
How are you defining fascism?
I might define it something like the merger of the interests of big business and the state, suppression of independent media and use of propaganda and lies to control the population, the erosion of civil liberties, an aggressive military dictatorship.
Which is exactly what the United States is.
How are you defining it?
@Guffrus Fascism doesn't have a subjective definition. It's imperialism. Because nazis and fascists merged business and state doesn't mean that's fascism. That's just socialism. It's nuanced. Fascism implies military aggression though.
Also no, merged business and state is NOT socialism.
Socialism refers to collectively owned, for example the NHS in the UK is an example of a socialist approach to medical care and it is a particularly good one in this case as it links well with the previous point of confusion over exact definitions. The NHS has very mixed system with some aspects privately owned business and others owned and run by the state. It is also worth noting that unlike some socialist system sterotypes where you have no choices you can in fact choose which doctor you see and such like. So you can see that even within just one aspect of one system things can be extremely complicated.
You dont make a completely new term every time you make a minor change because that would completely defeat the entire purpose of having the term in the first place, which is to quickly communicate a general idea of an extremely complicated concept.
@Guffrus Ok my man fascism is really just structuring society like an animal farm. Plain and simple. VERY orderly. So i guess america isn't fascist.
Absolutely not.
America does indeed have a history of racism; look at the Civil War, and what we did to Japanese-Americans during World War II (put many of them in holding camps) as examples.
Nevertheless, until recently, America was the freest and most prosperous country in the world. Go visit China, Cuba, or Iran... THEN tell me how terrible America is.
One last point. Racism is judging someone based solely on the color of their skin, or their ethnic origin. To that, I think you're trying to paint with a broad brush here, so to speak. Racism isn't exclusive to whites. It comes in all nationalities and colors, be that white, black, Hispanic, Asian, or Native American.
It's wrong to paint someone as a racist based on something that (for example) their father may or may not have done.
No, it is not.
At least not yet, but I know there are people that REALLY wish it was because they just want to see America crumble.
You mention white people VS people of color, yet you point to certain time periods where the wars were mostly about white people fighting against other white people. Including one that helped free the slaves AND one that helped rid the world of the Axis Powers. So I really don't know what you're suggesting, but I can probably guess.
If you want to know what fascism is, you first need to find out who the people are that want to ban certain kinds of speech, that want to put more and more restrictions on the second amendment, and (like Adolf Hitler) try to blame all of the world's problems on one particular group of people.
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Nah. Just cause a country has done messed up things don't make it fascist, people still arguably vote for what president they want in to do the next messed up things but that's more of problem with a illusion of choice than fascist.
Which you could say plays into it as a more cleaver version of fascism but that's whole other ball game. But fascism as to what we refer to it, is more of you only get to vote for one massive douche than the option of a turd sandwich aswell.
No. In a fascist country you aren't allowed to vote.
Italy, Spain, Argentina, Romania, Hungary, France, Norway, Holland and Finland have all histories of fascist governments. Spain right up until the 80s.
I would say so.
I guess it depends exactly how you choose to define what fascism is but it certainly seems to fit the profile so far as I understand it.
What can be said with complete certainty is that the United States is absolutely nothing like it claims to be.
@randomguy1030 I thought it was probably best to move to this thread rather than being in scarlett's thread.
So I think I like this definition from the merriam webster dictionary.
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
So there are certainly a lot of features of fascism visible in the way that the US is run but mostly the reason fascism isn't the correct word is because what has happened in the States is that on the surface it is a democracy and arguably the best democracy that the world has seen, there are a lot of good things in the constition; but the constitution is no longer followed and it hasn't been for some time. This system has been corrupted or infected by a different system covertly, the best word to describe that is probably an oligarchy.
I would suggest that 1984 is far more applicable to what is happening in the States than animal farm because of the constant remanufacturing of reality through the media narrative and the constant state of war and or creation of enemies which the state claims it must protect its citizens from.
Going by the websters definition of fascism I would suggest the States has all of the features listed with the exception of 'severe economic and social regimentation' though that too probably does exist to some degree it is not overt but covert.
You talking about Democrats cheating in the 2020 election and BLM/ANTIFA murdering, burning, and looting? Yes, everyone is aware that Democrats/90% of Blacks are fascists.
And you're going to claim MORE nobility by throwing around racial slurs and misusing the word "fascist"?
The system doesn't need to be fascist to kill arbitrarily own people. Every system in the past did that.
POC or non-PoC isn't relevant for the system, because elites who control the system divide people in usable fools or enemies of the system.
i think it's gradually leaning more towards it, but at the moment i do not believe that it is.
Now do the African and Middle Eastern nations. After that, do China. Then the rest of Asia.
No. Foundationally, I’d argue our govt is pretty democratic (technically a republic).
Dumb people can be swayed toward fascism. Just like religion, it takes away the need for thought.
Yep for now with the people in power. No religion and no free speech
as a fascist America is internationalist and capitalist it definitely isn't fascist
NO it isn't, although the Democrats want to make it one.
If you want to leave I’ll help you pack.
You’re a new level of stupid, aren’t you.
Not yet.
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