Well I'm saying what needs to be said. And honestly think about writing a book or at least an article about this topic. Because yes women have been not mistreated but not on the same step of equality for some things. But it doesn't mean that we should treat men like they are creeps who only want to do us wrong. It's very problematic and infuriating. So there is something to be done.
Really there is a lot of research to be done, testimony to take not just in France but in lot of countries, so I really think about doing it because it's a rightful cause but it's not going to be made in two months. It might be written by multiple people for more accurate information. But honestly I don't know where to search and I'm not sure that I can ask help to my friends because I am not sure they will understand. Or will be tiptoeing around the subject to see but it's definitely something to be done
I think it's a good idea. I'm in USA and it seems to be a big problem here. I'm sure you can get help on the internet if you search. I've been to France before, it's nice there. I don't know about the problems you have there though. Here men are undervalued and treated like worker ants, lol
I think this website is not good, it's biased and toxic but maybe you can search on Google or Yahoo , maybe Reddit, I don't know. But I wish you good luck.
In all fairness I don't like guns particularly but I understand completely that it must be awful to be attacked just because you said "hi" to a woman and she starts to scream like a harpy that she is being harassed
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poor men... we're subjugated by toxic masculine vision that we made, and can't stop sexually assaulting women so they fckin fear us. Now we can't even give them a compliment!
@monorprise didn’t say I was. I think it’s just obvious our visions of masculinity is the reason we never seek help, quick to violence, and on and on. Now we’re feeling sorry for ourselves for society that we built not slowing us feel and seek help…boohoo
What vision of masculinity? The one I have and everyone else I have ever talked to has doesn't have that problem and never did.
The civilization western men build has changed radically in the last 60 and now is at the point where it it can't go forward. The only new element here in that time is toxic feminism collapsing the family and birth rate. Leading civilization to where it is now well on its way out.
Yes a few men helped do this maybe they were toxic but many more women were involved in the actual work of abandoning the family. In the end, the feminist movement will die with the failed civilization it destroyed.
This is infuriating! If fighting for women's rights means crushing down men's right and them being neglected by justice when they seek for help then count me out of the Feminist movement
Being a male victim, I used to resent women because of the overall lack of sympathy men receive; women like you helped me get over those negative feelings towards the opposite sex. Not making everything gender specific would be a step in the right direction to putting an end to this ridiculous gender war we have going on. Caring about each other and showing mutual support/respect goes a long way.
I genuinely care about everyone rights. There is plenty of space for everyone no need to step on each other and fight for ridiculous things. And honestly it's a shame that you and men in general suffer from the made up view of males in general. What is wrong with the people? Don't make generalities about everything!
It's all about balance and respect for each other. And truly I apologise for every women that did you wrong. You didn't deserved it, nobody deserves it. So I am terribly sorry
Yes but still. Men shouldn't be laughed at for saying that they are victims. For fuck sake not every men is able to start a fight or whatever. We are not cavemen anymore so please people if you say that women evolved well ding ding ding so did men
@FrenchGirl2 Why should they? Men to this day are considered expendable meat machines only worth their economic and military output. The cost of modern Civilization is paid with the blood of men. If anything we have too many low value men alive. In the end, why should anybody care?
Why though? Society has been trucking along well enough. A mans worth is directly related to how much they earn. Beyond that a man might as well die at 40 if he hasn't earned a couple million. There is no objective reason to care. I am well aware that I will die forgotten, relatively soon, and It doesn't bother me. Just another soon-to-be corpse to be burned to keep society running.
I'm sorry that you think like that. Truly but everyone matter. Even if you don't make 50.000$ a month. The money doesn't mean anything. You can't bring it to the grave and it brings the worst in people. While dead rich people will have their "beloved" fighting about their will, you have your family mourning your death. You truly matter
It's not the wealth, It's the production of that wealth that matters. What a man creates is all that objectively matters. It is the singular truth of this world and no one should waste the resources attaching emotional fetters to it.
I agree with you and sorry if I misread everything. But society demonize men and boys for example when we are in kindergarten we are told to don't trust the "strange men", excuse me but there is also strange women. Why assume that it's men who are more likely to harm you?
As you can see there is women who share the same opinion. I accord to you it's not a big wave but there women who care. What am I? A lizard? I care about men's right
Thank you but for what? It's the right thing to do and say so I don't deserve any blessing. I just say what I think is relevant and if I can do more I will
For example look at what happened to Johnny Depp. It's when there is some sort of trap made either by violence or psychology. It's very dangerous and men suffer from this, as well as women but we don't talk about men in these situations and all the feminists are slowly crushing men rights to establish a "dominance"
The question is about people neglecting the *men* who are abused in their relationships (often by women) and you're talking about sending men to space as punishment?
How about #STUPIDASSMETOO women , undercover Karens... how bout just knock they're F... teeth out ans give them something to do stumbling around looking for alll they're teeth.
@Djaay I was referring to your comment not being helpful, not if the suggestion was or not... It's hostile and not condusive towards dialogue. It's also supportive of the OPs view in this thread that guys are "dick heads" Basically you're acting rude and essentially proving her point that way.
Women who act accordingly need to remember there's consequenses to they're own actions. Your parading as a soy boy thats lonley and would like females to agree on your side rather than teach them there's no way out of they're BS.
Yes but how can you determine he is a bad guy? If he has record of abusive behaviour against women and children or if he is a rapist yes I agree. But in some places a woman word is taken seriously which is great but some women try to wrongfully accuse their partner or strangers. If it was as simple as cutting dicks off it would be no longer a problem
And there is no court of law on this planet and no one that will be able to help women who think like this. This plane of existence is just the beginning. The baby steps of what's to come. If you have bad intentions towards the opposite sex you're going to have a very painful eternity.
Any punishment that are no reversible is inherently problematic ethnically. And also, the very idea of punishment in the first place has been shown to not really be all that helpful. I get that it's tempting to want someone who have hurt us to suffer but it rarely improves anything. And you don't really feel any better afterwards either.
@FrenchGirl2 Me neither. I live in Norway. Just look at some of the many videos on YouTube about how nordic and Norwegian prisons differ from US ones to get an idea about our philosophy about justice.
@Losalt I will, in France justice is almost hurried, yes there might be a lot of cases but no need to rush and come to a judgment in such a hurry. In France prison are almost as confortable as the social buildings (sorry I don't have the terms but it called HLM) if not more
@FrenchGirl2 Trust me, French prisons are harsh compared to ours. Basically the goal with nordic prisons isn't to punish prisoners. They're not storage places to keep them away from society or torture chambers meant to make them suffer. Instead they're intended to mimic nordic child rearing, time outs, trust, the whole lot.
@Losalt Well they are trying to copy Nordic prison. And don't let me started on prison for "VIP's" who do terrible things like money traffic and they get special treatments because they are "influent"
@FrenchGirl2 Boo hoo did I trigger the little child? Bring something to the table? Why would I. You and little whiny bitches like you don't deserve it. Why would I give you any useful info? You haven't done anything to earn it. And no I'm not going to tell you what that is. No its not sex. Not interested in such trivial bullshit.
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If only more women felt like you did. It's a harsh world these days and I agree with you.
Well I'm saying what needs to be said. And honestly think about writing a book or at least an article about this topic. Because yes women have been not mistreated but not on the same step of equality for some things. But it doesn't mean that we should treat men like they are creeps who only want to do us wrong. It's very problematic and infuriating. So there is something to be done.
That's great, you should, it's a good idea and I'm sure the book will sell.
Really there is a lot of research to be done, testimony to take not just in France but in lot of countries, so I really think about doing it because it's a rightful cause but it's not going to be made in two months. It might be written by multiple people for more accurate information. But honestly I don't know where to search and I'm not sure that I can ask help to my friends because I am not sure they will understand. Or will be tiptoeing around the subject to see but it's definitely something to be done
I think it's a good idea. I'm in USA and it seems to be a big problem here. I'm sure you can get help on the internet if you search. I've been to France before, it's nice there. I don't know about the problems you have there though. Here men are undervalued and treated like worker ants, lol
Well in France there is a lot deal of problems too. But starting to ask on website like this one or Reddit could be a start?
I think this website is not good, it's biased and toxic but maybe you can search on Google or Yahoo , maybe Reddit, I don't know. But I wish you good luck.
Thank you 😊
You're welcome, I can add you if you want a friend. Best wishes
Thank you for your help!
You're welcome and good luck :)
Men are "Gun-shy" and avoid making the 1st Move, we are tired of being attacked for showing interest...
In all fairness I don't like guns particularly but I understand completely that it must be awful to be attacked just because you said "hi" to a woman and she starts to scream like a harpy that she is being harassed
poor men... we're subjugated by toxic masculine vision that we made, and can't stop sexually assaulting women so they fckin fear us. Now we can't even give them a compliment!
The only thing toxic I see is feminism. Modern masculine is dying and is a tiny weak shadow of its history of achievement.
@monorprise or history of billions of death.
Blaming the history of human kind on masculinity is not distinguishing that attribute from all others.
You might as well give it credit for all life and achievement as well.
@monorprise didn’t say I was. I think it’s just obvious our visions of masculinity is the reason we never seek help, quick to violence, and on and on. Now we’re feeling sorry for ourselves for society that we built not slowing us feel and seek help…boohoo
What vision of masculinity? The one I have and everyone else I have ever talked to has doesn't have that problem and never did.
The civilization western men build has changed radically in the last 60 and now is at the point where it it can't go forward. The only new element here in that time is toxic feminism collapsing the family and birth rate. Leading civilization to where it is now well on its way out.
Yes a few men helped do this maybe they were toxic but many more women were involved in the actual work of abandoning the family. In the end, the feminist movement will die with the failed civilization it destroyed.
@monorprise ok, let’s sidestep your views on recent decades and stick to masculinity. What are the traits of masculinity to you?
Yeah.. except I have had nothing to do with any of that so I do not deserve to get grouped up with those people.
The sooner we judge people as individuals the better.
@Juxtapose you like to wash your hands of most problems in the world, don't you?
I don't take responsibility for shit I didn't do is all 🤷♂️
@Juxtapose how do you know you don’t contribute to toxic masculinity?
Considering the fate of the average boy raised without a father, the evidence is clear that it's the LACK of masculinity that's toxic.
@Slartybartfast that’s the exact toxic assumption. Fathers = masculinity. No. Fathers = parenting. Like lesbian parents = parenting.
Cus I am pretty feminine and passive for a guy. I'm not a dudebro but hey, I can kick over my head.
Feminine in behavior.. definitely not looks haha.
Yea well , who cares. Women need even more rights and special treatment.
Not true, women deserve rights yes but doesn't mean crushing men rights
Are you sure? I thought men are super privileged and are oppressing women
Yes. I am not writing this for attention or anything. Men suffer from the oppression of women.
Male victims of any sort are often overlooked.
This is infuriating! If fighting for women's rights means crushing down men's right and them being neglected by justice when they seek for help then count me out of the Feminist movement
Being a male victim, I used to resent women because of the overall lack of sympathy men receive; women like you helped me get over those negative feelings towards the opposite sex. Not making everything gender specific would be a step in the right direction to putting an end to this ridiculous gender war we have going on. Caring about each other and showing mutual support/respect goes a long way.
I genuinely care about everyone rights. There is plenty of space for everyone no need to step on each other and fight for ridiculous things. And honestly it's a shame that you and men in general suffer from the made up view of males in general. What is wrong with the people? Don't make generalities about everything!
I couldn't agree with you more.
It's all about balance and respect for each other. And truly I apologise for every women that did you wrong. You didn't deserved it, nobody deserves it. So I am terribly sorry
I appreciate that. To be fair, there's a lot of men who are also part of the problem. The blame isn't 100% on women.
Yes but still. Men shouldn't be laughed at for saying that they are victims. For fuck sake not every men is able to start a fight or whatever. We are not cavemen anymore so please people if you say that women evolved well ding ding ding so did men
Who cares though? Society at large dose not give a single fuck about men.
Well they should. And everybody should care
@FrenchGirl2 Why should they? Men to this day are considered expendable meat machines only worth their economic and military output. The cost of modern Civilization is paid with the blood of men. If anything we have too many low value men alive. In the end, why should anybody care?
Because it's men's right so we should care!
Why though? Society has been trucking along well enough. A mans worth is directly related to how much they earn. Beyond that a man might as well die at 40 if he hasn't earned a couple million. There is no objective reason to care. I am well aware that I will die forgotten, relatively soon, and It doesn't bother me. Just another soon-to-be corpse to be burned to keep society running.
I'm sorry that you think like that. Truly but everyone matter. Even if you don't make 50.000$ a month. The money doesn't mean anything. You can't bring it to the grave and it brings the worst in people. While dead rich people will have their "beloved" fighting about their will, you have your family mourning your death. You truly matter
It's not the wealth, It's the production of that wealth that matters. What a man creates is all that objectively matters. It is the singular truth of this world and no one should waste the resources attaching emotional fetters to it.
Ok I hear you but I don't get the part where you say you don't matter. Because it's not true at all
That's actually an optimistic assessment, society demonizes men and boys.
I agree with you and sorry if I misread everything. But society demonize men and boys for example when we are in kindergarten we are told to don't trust the "strange men", excuse me but there is also strange women. Why assume that it's men who are more likely to harm you?
@Slartybartfast Come now. If they were truly "demonizing" We wouldn't have Sports Ball. Men are clearly seen as animals to be exploited.
Definitely women don't care.
As you can see there is women who share the same opinion. I accord to you it's not a big wave but there women who care. What am I? A lizard? I care about men's right
Bless you☺️
Thank you but for what? It's the right thing to do and say so I don't deserve any blessing. I just say what I think is relevant and if I can do more I will
What is abusive relationship?
For example look at what happened to Johnny Depp. It's when there is some sort of trap made either by violence or psychology. It's very dangerous and men suffer from this, as well as women but we don't talk about men in these situations and all the feminists are slowly crushing men rights to establish a "dominance"
I stay away from toxic women. Everybody lives results what they choose
That won't work. We'll just abandon women and they'll be forced to fend for themselves.
We won't help any women.
You don't deserve it.
It all depends on the girl
Yes and on purpose
Yes indeed and it's shameful. They should be able to get help and not be looked at they are making a lie. This is ridiculous
I think we should send them into space
Send who?
I'm sorry I didn't get it but maybe I'm stupid, that wouldn't be a first 😅
I mean dick-brained men
The question is about people neglecting the *men* who are abused in their relationships (often by women) and you're talking about sending men to space as punishment?
How about #STUPIDASSMETOO women , undercover Karens... how bout just knock they're F... teeth out ans give them something to do stumbling around looking for alll they're teeth.
@Djaay
That's not helpful...
Losalt... You sure about that?
@Djaay
I was referring to your comment not being helpful, not if the suggestion was or not...
It's hostile and not condusive towards dialogue.
It's also supportive of the OPs view in this thread that guys are "dick heads"
Basically you're acting rude and essentially proving her point that way.
Women who act accordingly need to remember there's consequenses to they're own actions. Your parading as a soy boy thats lonley and would like females to agree on your side rather than teach them there's no way out of they're BS.
Let me guess...
You're American, no?
Nope!
No?
That's actually interesting.
May I ask where you're from?
Originally Apie , Samoa
Apia *
I wish bad guys had their penises cut off
Yes but how can you determine he is a bad guy? If he has record of abusive behaviour against women and children or if he is a rapist yes I agree. But in some places a woman word is taken seriously which is great but some women try to wrongfully accuse their partner or strangers. If it was as simple as cutting dicks off it would be no longer a problem
That's assault.
And there is no court of law on this planet and no one that will be able to help women who think like this.
This plane of existence is just the beginning. The baby steps of what's to come.
If you have bad intentions towards the opposite sex you're going to have a very painful eternity.
Ok enough. You bring nothing to the table. You just loudly comment and that's enough. If you have a problem go away.
Any punishment that are no reversible is inherently problematic ethnically.
And also, the very idea of punishment in the first place has been shown to not really be all that helpful.
I get that it's tempting to want someone who have hurt us to suffer but it rarely improves anything.
And you don't really feel any better afterwards either.
In the end getting revenge by seeing the person suffering from a mutilation is really a good thing? I don't think so.
@FrenchGirl2
Me neither.
I live in Norway.
Just look at some of the many videos on YouTube about how nordic and Norwegian prisons differ from US ones to get an idea about our philosophy about justice.
@Losalt I will, in France justice is almost hurried, yes there might be a lot of cases but no need to rush and come to a judgment in such a hurry. In France prison are almost as confortable as the social buildings (sorry I don't have the terms but it called HLM) if not more
@FrenchGirl2
Trust me, French prisons are harsh compared to ours.
Basically the goal with nordic prisons isn't to punish prisoners.
They're not storage places to keep them away from society or torture chambers meant to make them suffer.
Instead they're intended to mimic nordic child rearing, time outs, trust, the whole lot.
@Losalt Well they are trying to copy Nordic prison. And don't let me started on prison for "VIP's" who do terrible things like money traffic and they get special treatments because they are "influent"
@FrenchGirl2 Boo hoo did I trigger the little child?
Bring something to the table? Why would I. You and little whiny bitches like you don't deserve it. Why would I give you any useful info? You haven't done anything to earn it. And no I'm not going to tell you what that is. No its not sex. Not interested in such trivial bullshit.
@jellybeanyoghurt...
Yes I do
Yeah