Do you think the world would be a better place if movements based on gender such as feminism and MRA/MGTOW were banned?

[SolitarySolace]

Do you think the world would be a better place if movements based on gender such as feminism and MRA/MGTOW were all banned today what with everything said movements have already achieved over the years?

Yes, the world would be a much better place

No, the world would not be a much better place

A total of 26 votes were cast: 8 girls and 18 guys. See detailed results

[MCheetah]

Yes I do believe it would. MRA's and MGTOW are only a reaction to radical feminism and feminism in itself is a purely sexist hate movement against men. I think all of society would have been better off had feminism never existed.

And before anyone gives me any stupid BS, just know MOST of the world never had the feminist movement happen, including most of Asia, and they still had female CEOs, world leaders, and presidents before the United States or Canada ever had, so shut your mouth and don't speak any crap you're once again going to be wrong about. Feminism does not have a monopoly on women's rights; they don't even respect women.

As for MGTOW... That would likely always be a thing; though it'd be very small and minor in a world without feminism and 'toxic females' in it. MRA's probably wouldn't be a thing though, since this would be a world where more women actually cared about men and didn't agree with the hatred and double standards of feminism merely cause it's convenient for them.

So in short, yes, we'd all be better off with MRA's and *especially* without third/fourth wave feminism.

[MCheetah]

better off *without MRA's

[SolitarySolace]

Agreed 110%

[Anonymous]

Yes. Looking at only one gender too much instead of trying to make them equal together is backwards and only for crazy people

[SolitarySolace]

agreed

[OlderAndWiser]

Would the world be a better place if we did not have free speech?

[Femphile_xoxo]

Feminism is all about equality. It's not about raising women above men. It's about achieving social, economic, and political equality for women.

MGTOW is kinda just for incels 🥱 and they think that "modern women are beyond repair". It's pretty much just anti-woman, not actually trying to achieve anything for men like raising awareness for the issues toxic masculinity creates. Or raising support for issues that some see as women only, when they're not, like sexual violence, mental health, intimate partner abuse, or child abuse + lack of personal support system (friends to rely on).

Though even though I'm strongly against MGTOW, I don't think it should be banned. I certainly would encourage social platforms to discourage the crazy beliefs it spreads. But if it's written in the post or there's a protest, technically freedom of speech protects that. I think we just really should strongly encourage negative social consequences for hateful speech.

[Femphile_xoxo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but MGTOW isn't really standing up for anything positive. It's kinda just existing to be misogynistic.

[SolitarySolace]

What's misoginistic about men doing their own thing instead of doing things for women? @Femphile_xoxo
So omly women can do whatever they want, but men can't? Men have to be forced to do things for women all the time? Even when said women don't deserve the things men do do for them out of the kindness of his heart? What's misoginistic about men avoiding marriage and cohabitation?

[Femphile_xoxo]

MGTOW participants typically believe in "female privilege" which y'know. There wouldn't be a women's rights movement if women were incredibly privileged. Sure, there are areas where women have some advantages but those are few and far between. Also the whole "relationships with women can be dangerous!" like what, are all women gonna castrate their husbands? No. And not all men are gonna abuse their wives.

The cases cited are often seen as groundbreaking and total evidence. Like a woman killing her husband because he cheated on her. I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting relationship with women but I think it's wrong to blame it on women for not having the ability to have those relationships. Like all relationships, partners don't typically kill each other?

Never once did I say that men had to bend down to women. They don't, and shouldn't have to. Feminism has nothing to do with putting women above men. It's about creating equality so that women and men have the same opportunities, and lack of opportunities. So they're judged by personality rather than their gender or assumptions based on their gender.

Feminists aren't at all attacking men. We just want the same rights and freedoms legally, socially and in the workplace.

[SolitarySolace]

Alright, if feminism is truly. about the equality of both men and women than what has feminism done for men and their rights without having anything to do with women?

[Femphile_xoxo]

That's like asking why isn't the gay rights movement spending their time arguing for racial justice. Feminism is about creating equality by lifting women to the same level as men. Though there are plenty of feminists who are trying to open the debate to topics such as toxic masculinity.

Feminism is the fight for women's rights so I don't really see why it'd be comingled with that. The women's rights movement was started by women, the gay rights movement was started by LGBTQ folk, and racial justice by POC.

Men have to be the leaders in breaking down societal barriers. Women can't be the leaders in equating the social lives of men to men. Will we show our support, absolutely!!

[Femphile_xoxo]

Summary of that: that's kind of a weird question to ask when it's pretty well known that feminism is synonymous with women's rights.

[SolitarySolace]

I believe that feminism is giving women more rights than men currently have. Sure maybe men had more at one point but now we men don't and we aren't even aloud to have a voice about it without being shot down immediately. In today's world EVERYTHING is about women. EVERYTHING. Feminism and women have made the world revolve around them. Yet the world is still misoginistic and a man's world? So you think us men go around saying "HAHA WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHTS AND YOU DON'T HAHA" I've never once heard a man say that apart from on the internet attempting to recieve an argumentative response.

[Femphile_xoxo]

Maybe you're just cherry-picking things and surrounding yourself with feminism so it gets on your nerves? So many ladies on this platform have done posts about it, I have, you can also look at laws in other countries like India, or Saudi Arabia. Or you could look at abortion rights! And I don't believe it's been repealed, so the fact that in North Carolina you can't withdraw consent.

[Femphile_xoxo]

Also if you look up feminism this comes up:
"Feminism
Feminism is a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes. Feminism incorporates the position that societies prioritize the male point of view, and that women are treated unjustly within those societies. Efforts… Read more

Wikipedia"

[SolitarySolace]

Who do you think created that definition? I'm pretty sure the one who created it wanted it to sound like a good thing when it's not. If it were, why doesn't everyone embrace it? Hmm... Maybe because it's a sexist movement against men by women who don't believe it's possible for men to recieve sexism. They say things like "men must really want to be oppressed" no one wants to be oppressed. But it's the ones who claim to be against oppression who are being the oppressors.

Of course women wouldn't believe that because they're the ones benefiting from it.

[SolitarySolace]

And I don't give a fuck what's gong on in any other country other than the one I am from. Why aren't feminists doing something for the women who. Are actually going through the shit thwyre accusing the men in America of doing? I'm pretty sure they're just too busy pretending to be more oppressed than they actually are in America.

[Femphile_xoxo]

Whatever, dude. I mean every time I say something you shoot it down by ignoring it, preaching female privilege, or changing the subject. You said women weren't oppressed so I provided you with reasons as to why they are oppressed and you shot it down by saying you don't care.

[SolitarySolace]

I said I don't care what's going on in any other country other than my own. And women aren't oppressed in my country. They make up their own oppression and accuse men of it. Feminism should leave the US and go where it's actually needed.

[Femphile_xoxo]

You live in America. I gave examples for America. Abortion laws, marital rape loopholes, the North Carolina law targeting withdrawing consent. The list goes onnnnnnnn

[SolitarySolace]

Men have no reproductive rights. How is that a form of oppression for women?

Pretty sure there's a reasonable explanation for a law that targets withdrawing consent that has nothing to do with oppressing women.

[CasaNorba]

"Feminism is all about equality. It's not about raising women above men. It's about achieving social, economic, and political equality for women."

yeah keep dreaming buddy



"MGTOW is kinda just for incels and they think that "modern women are beyond repair"."

you wish we were incels

" It's pretty much just anti-woman, not actually trying to achieve anything for men like raising awareness for the issues toxic masculinity creates"

toxic masculinity was never a problem. if anything toxic masculinity is the reason why right now you have access to the internet and a shelter over your head.

"Correct me if I'm wrong but MGTOW isn't really standing up for anything positive. It's kinda just existing to be misogynistic."

that's because we are not STANDING up for anything miss dodo, we are withdrawing ourselves from the plantations and other death traps in our society cause by feminist

[Lliam]

No. Who would be in charge of "banning"? And once banning was accepted, where would it lead? What else would wind up being banned by the "banners"?

I believe in liberty, freedom of speech and expression. People can do what they want as long as they don't physically harm others.

[Sonorous]

No. The world would be a better place if we couldn't perceive extreme suffering. Of course, we'd need just enough pain in order to function in a sustainable way. But I think we could live without the extreme & unnecessary pain.

[NorthwestRider]

How does pain help your life 😂

[Sonorous]

It helps beings sustain themselves. Otherwise, we'd be more susceptible to being an endangered species. Suffering helps give life meaning. But I think we can do without the extreme bit.

[Anonymous]

The answer to this question is clearly yes. The only thing feminism and MRA/MGTOW actually accomplish today is to spread sexism and gender hatred and divide the sexes.

[Dargil]

Who would ban them and who would enforce that.
Another purposeless snowflake who believes in "banning"

[DarkWinterNights]

Probably, most are basically just dividing us further.

[SignedAutographs]

No I don't

I think conservatives toting guns around like it's nilly willy. Are fucking idiots

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I'm sensing someone was inspired by my post lol

[SolitarySolace]

Sure was, lol

[JesseJayNeak]

Yes. No more gender wars

[CasaNorba]

MGTOW is not a movement, is a philosophy