Well, there's both. But I'd argue men have more need to have toxic masculinity rejected on a wider social level. Especially in countries where masculine culture has become harmful to men's mental health.
A lot of toxic masculinity hurts men significantly. It trains them to have poor - or no - emotional regulation, a key life skill as an adult. They're often victims of body shaming, but don't have the supports women tend to because of toxic masculinity.
Men often ignore their own health due to "real men don't go to the doctor" type harmful toxic views.
Yes, we have toxic femininity to deal with and that needs to be addressed, too.
But personally, men's health is so often overlooked. And this sort of toxicity harms men more than anything, and harms others through that.
Men deserve care, attention, and to have their mental health defended. And unfortunately due to toxic masculinity, many are too unaware or afraid to fight against it for their own good.
Women made progress, and now I think it's time to help the men reclaim their health and identity, too. To help them realize they can be who they genuinely are without being ridiculed for being something other than the toxic male stereotype.
Men's health is important. And toxic masculinity endangers it.
Because you will never be heard unless you have the microphone and the feminist have been given the microphone by our masters that own the media.
Because society is focused at the moment on the bad sides of masculinity and it is trying to give women and minorities the spotlights saying guys are the reason for the bad development the world has taken.
Besides that "toxic masculinity" is more prevalent when you live under the premise that western society is patriarchal and you´re focused on them than yourself.
Like a guy that shows rather toxic behavior is emotionless, uncontrollable, aggressive and violent, while a woman that shows rather toxic behavior is over-emotional, tries to control everything and is over-reacting because she´s taking everything to heart or is belittling a guy by being over-caring.
Another answer could be that "toxic masculinity" and "toxic feminity" have different results because "toxic masculinity" is often more clearly visible and there are more clear signs of it while "toxic feminity" doesn´t need to lead visible damage.
Because people would rather think men are to blame for all our problems.
Toxic femininity is very alive and rampant. It's in the dating world. In women's friendships. In their attitudes and the way they carry themselves. Toxic femininity mirrors arrogance, restlessness, self-centeredness, narcissism, and poor values. And it pollutes not just other women but men's world as well.
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They do all the bitching... it's that simple. We don't have groups of neon red, green, and purple-headed men shouting in the streets. Yeah, there are exceptions to the rule but the rule isn't made by exceptions.
We have a bunch of blue-pilled beta orbiter dudes that will simp hard for any chick there is as well. Like try and speak up for men's rights and it's more likely one of those guys will come out at you with the attack.
For the most part, most of us dudes get told to STFU and settle down right from the start while the highly emotional effeminate seems to get a social pass on 9/10ths of the behaviors listed up there in that picture of what a toxic male is.
What is toxic femininity?
We don't judge each other for being too feminine or to masculine. Being too emotional or not emotional enough. We are not afraid of people thinking we are gay or something.
If a guy tries to talk about his emotions with friends they will most likely just laugh at him because it is not normal to them. They will probably will say that he's gay for trying to talk about his feelings.
That is what toxic masculinity is. Being so scared of losing your masculinity in the eyes of others and destroying yourself by trying to do that.
No toxic femininity? Women are the paragon of virtue.
You’re right. Women judge each other for far more superficial reasons.
They then claim to be oppressed in western culture. When you have more rights and privileges than men and still claim to be oppressed that’s called toxic femininity. When you talk about equality when you have more than equality but refuse to take equal responsibility that’s toxic femininity. Yes, yes, I know feminism is about equality. That’s why feminists are planning multiple demonstrations to demand women be punished equally for the same crimes as men when prior record is taken into account and that they be mandated to register for with selective service to be drafted for war at age 18 just like men. Further more they’re demanding not only to be drafted for war like men but assignment to combat duty on a 1:1 ratio with men right?
That’s toxic femininity. “We demand equal pay for equal work but not equal drafting for war and not equal punishment for crimes.”
Doesn’t exist? Bahahahaha.
Sure, only men can be deplorable, never women.
Can’t even take you seriously.
I’m sure you’ll reply with some crazy mental gymnastics as to why this is so according to you.
I never felt scared to do anything that would make me not feminine or would make me less female to people.
Like I said before. People don't see us as less feminine when showing too much emotion or too less or anything.
So I don't know what that toxic femininity would be because I never seen the term used and I have never seen anything happen that I would call toxic femininity.
What is it too you? Because femininity and extreme feminism are two different things.
Toxic femininity for sure exists but what that is to be clear is when a woman shames another woman for not been modest respectable woman.
Same way toxic masculinity is how men shame men for not been men.
Both drive from this sense of sexism we have and bias that we have to conform to be the same. Both feed each other.
If toxic masculinity lowers so will the other because people will lose the ideology of stuck up rules that both must abide by to be a "Real" woman or be a "Real" man.
Isn't it funny how the women who throw around the "toxic masculinity" buzzterm happen to be the very ones to reinforce it?
For example, they claim that it hurts men because men feel pressured not to seek help in order to appear "strong". Yet funny enough they themselves prevent anything speaking up for men's issues to see the light of day.
Or when they claim taht toxic masculinity prevents men from being "vulnerable". Yet funny enough they themselves find men who show their vulnerability weak and unattractive.
The hypocrisy is absolutely beyond measure.
Masculinity is more defined that femininity in my opinion. Men have to wear certain things that are "masculine", but women can wear whatever we want for the most part. So there are as many toxic women as men, but it's just toxic, not exactly toxic based on the strict female behavior roles. Meanwhile men have specific behaviors that are needed to be masculine, more than women for being feminine (in my opinion, probably depends on where you grow up). So men's toxicity usually comes from overdoing it on the traits they are expected to have
another reason why we need to address this issue?
You can't demand equality and yet hold men to ancient laws, its 21st century and nobody give a fuck about what woman think men is or was !
Your kind won't have anything handed over to you on plate like it use too... so its end of MARRIAGE, FAMILY, MONOGOMY and SECURITY for woman. You have always been cutting deals with men over chance of banging that HOLE HOLE but now its available to us 24/7 without committing economic suicide
@AlphaGhost? I don't think I said anything objectionable, why are you going off on me? I will demand equality but have no intention of holding men to ancient laws
A large percentage of “toxic masculinity” is subjective with no real definition. Toxic femininity is even less defined because our culture is dominated by women.. which ironically demonstrate a lot of what “toxic masculinity” originally was referred to. Personally I’ve been verbally abused to almost the point of emasculated by women far more than I ever have by other men. Instead of associating toxic traits with masculine and feminine which only serve to demonize normal traits. How about we just call out bad behavior for what it is- bad behavior.
This is such a weird concept 🤔 to me.
I mean the things you defined as toxic masculine traits are personality traits witch both men and women can have they are NOT gender specific, sure more men have those traits than women but it is not exclusive to us.
Heck my own mother is the worst sore loser i have ever met that is why i will never play card or board games with her and then there is my girlfriend she always restraints her own emotions never showing even a single tear.
So how do we define women that have these so called toxic masculine traits?
Yes, let's discuss it. Bratty, obnoxious behaviour shouldn't be tolerated simply because the one displaying it happens to be a woman.
This clip explains it rather well:
They both go hand in hand.
Toxic feminity is the mirror image of toxic feminity. Wanting women to be hyper feminine and men to be hyper masculine.
If you instead mean the women hating men, thats not normal feminism thats radical feminism.
You know what's most hilarious about that? Think about what toxic femininity is. What is it that girls did to each other all the time that you rarely saw guys do?
Answer: Character assassination, rumor spreading, getting their friends to ostracize whomever it is they dislike.
Now. . . what is it that you're seeing play out across society in spades these days?
Answer: Cancel culture.
What we have today is much more of a toxic femininity problem in society than a toxic masculinity problem.
i think feminazis have done a really great job at deconstructing the male gender and gaslighting the entire society that there's something wrong. this is toxic femininity. and we need to fix that shit asap. we can't let sick psychopaths like amber heard "teach" us how we should behave.
Men generally defend a nation in war. Since the relative military power of communist nations is significantly lower than western capitalist republics, their strategy is to weaken men so that they are afraid to defend their nation from communist invasion. It's pretty simple, those women who speak about toxic masculinity are enemies of their country carrying out a asymmetric warfare against their own people. They are traitors.
Both terms are equally dumb. We should be able to identify bad behavior in men and women without rushing to ascribe it to some "toxic" expression of gender roles. There are decent people, and there are assholes, any further distinctions are secondary to the fact of assholes existing.
Because the toxic feminists have achieved narrative control, legislative superiority, and have created an environment where saying or even hinting at any of the above can be a termination or criminal offense. Be wary of who you are not allowed to criticize, for that is who truly rules over you.
These are Western women's times. Men have given it to them by being washed over by the media, entertainment and schools. We let this happen. Like other social trends, it will come to an end. Some upheaval like the coming recession or later cultural collapse will erase this nonsense In the meantime we need to stop being bribed by sex. It will take (!) toxic masculinity to end this trend, which is why they fear it. Like Democrats fearing Trump and DeSantis.
I wouldn’t Trip out over it Brother.
Let those females be Toxic through Time the male race will decide females aren’t worth it and dudes will stop Fucking females and hanging out with them.
It won’t bother me as Human race going extinct is exactly what we need
Females are known for there magic thinking.
That’s what the entire Feminism is about Magical thinking. The just because Im a girl You should do my every command just because mentality.
Just like when Christian’s pray that the Football team wins and they win and Christian thinks god Made the football team because they prayed about it.
If it doesn’t make logical reasonable sense Then probably has to do with magical thinking.
The world requires masculinity whether you call it toxic or whatever. It's the toxic masculine men that go fight and defend the freedoms for the very pussies holding the signs to rid the world of toxic masculinity. Here's some toxic testosterone masculinity I'll take that sign and shove it straight up your well happy place is probably what you would call it.
Well women are always taken care of and given more important but men are overlooked. To balance the difference this is being done so. Honestly the whole world is toxic due to standards of society.
You are important too young lady. The body shaming led to many young girls ending their lives. Or getting surgeries to look "beautiful" young girls and men have it equally as hard. It's the old catty feminist women single with cats that talk down to us because she's miserable and old and wants everyone to be like her. The old feminist women said they didn't need man so she's old and single and upset and wants to ruin it for everyone else.
@Theabcking I know right. We need to stop these toxic feminists. The girls who aren't feminist are giving men a lot of support because they too want feminists to keep quiet and die without words.
Fun fact: the person came up with toxic masculinity was talking about young people, like teens.
We can all agree that teen boys and girls can be pretty toxic due to childish immaturity meeting adult hormones.
Which is why they have parents to work that out of them.
Mature masculinity and femininity are the best!!
It really goes both ways and it would be sexist to say that it don't. Both men and women can be toxic and some share traits that might be more for one or the other but any of these could go either way as well.
So called "toxic masculinity" is just the latest tool in the feminist toolbox to shame men and divide the sexes. There is, of course, no such thing as "toxic masculinity", only toxic behavior, and both men and women do it. Ascribing that toxicity to masculinity or femininity is just divisive bullshit. We know why feminists do that but I won't sink to their level.
I agree with this. Toxic behavior exists. Can be done by both men and women. Toxic masculinity is just the name they give to thing that are stereotypically done by us. Still they all can be done by women as well.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 If you agree then why did you down vote my opinion?
You have one disagree and it wasn't me.
See? I just liked it. We can't vote twice.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Okay, but you initially upvoted it and the n retracted it. Just wondering why.
Miss clicked. Why would I say I agree and then down vote it?
I mean I can agree and not put a like.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 The only way that can happen is if you go in and click to upvote, and then go back in again and unclick it. That's pretty hard to do by accident. But whatever.
The world needs an enemy right now. The world is in shambles and during times like this, people will look for somebody or some thing to blame. Right now, straight white males are that entity they have chosen to blame. Good thing we descend from a long line of warriors... we can take it.
I think this is radical feminism driven.
I refer to Toxic Masculinity as Ungentlemanly Conduct which IS different it’s just being a jerk and impolite
Toxic masculinity is just a tool to undermine men
By the way when will hear about Toxic Femininity?
Completely agree with you. Either we have toxic masculinity and Toxic femininity. Or we just have toxicness in general. Afterall being shitty doesn't have a gender
Do you have a list as to what would constitute toxic femininity like the one you have for toxic masculinity?
I’m not arguing it’s existence, I’m just not sure what it is exactly.
Not exactly an answer to your question but i think it may have something to do with these. (this is very largely my opinion so no harm)
caring too much about appearances
caring for money so much that they manipulate and gaslight men
Using the stereotype of "Weak and feminine" to their advantage in places like court
That's called "feminism" you dumbass.
You're also confusing misandry with misogyny as that is what "toxic masculinity/feminism" entails.
How about instead of being afraid of masculinity or femininity, we just stay away from toxic people. If the person isn’t toxic, neither is their masculinity or femininity
YES! HELL YEAH! that is something i want to happen so godamn badly
That's men least problem they should make woman doesn't need toxic feminity hot girl summer Yoga pants attentionTalking with hundred Guy over SnapchatShowing off ass etcDouble standards The list goes on
I only hear this stuff online and on right wing shows saying that it's happening all over the place but in reality I don't think it's a societal conversation happening at every town hall meeting in any community.
All this bs will automatically stop when humans stop being judgmental. When humans start treating each other unbiasedly. When humans treat others the way they want others to treat them.
I dont think that even the person that made that list even understands what most of that list means.
Some of it seems like jibberish and other parts seem like behaviours which are encouraged and rewarded by females.
The original term coming from MRAs descrives societal pressure on men to harm themselves to meet certain expectations. What people thonk it is now... is some sort of whack ass "interpretation" made by uneducated swine.
Because God created women to obey a man's command. A woman who does not heed to men's advice are toxic according to the bible.
The most ironic thing is that “toxic masculine” behaviors is what usually turns most young women on. Not all but definitely more than half.
Well that's the whole thing. The people complaining about "toxic masculinity" don't want equality. They want women to be far better than men. That's why you never hear about it.
One day you guys will realize society doesn't know wtf it is doing and never has. All those who awakened lived lives in more solitude. It is an unconsious system.
I can understand toxic masculinity
But how can toxic feminty be defined?
I mean what it is?
Because there are far more incidents of men abusing women.
define toxic femininity first. are you thinking about women who are toxic or are you talking about the societal idea of women thinking they're superior just bcz they're female etc etc. I've never seen the latter. so...
You do... We call them TERFs (actually, they labeled themselves that and then when their sh! t stank too bad people couldn't stand it they decided to say it's a slur)
Neither masculinity nlr femininity is toxic, but an unmasculine man and unfeminine woman are toxic.
Because according to leftists women are the paragon of virtue…all of them and men suck…all of them.
Cuz we've been the ones making the rules for quite a bit of history, people always support the under-dog.
Theoretically anything can be toxic. Civil rights can be toxic, somehow. But i guess show the evidence for toxic feminism.
simple. Toxic masculinity is a feminist (read:feminazi) construct so talking about toxic feminity would contradict that so
Same reason we don't talk much about female rapists. They exist but aren't really the problem.
That’s a feminist topic about a problem that doesn’t exist. If women had the same level of testosterone we have, they would be even more toxic then they already are
"Toxic" masculinity is any man who tells a woman "no".
The irony of "toxic masculinity" is that feminists themselves are some of the most prolific examples the behaviors they are referring to.
Toxic masculinity is more dangerous, but toxic feminity is also bad and annoying
We have always had a word for toxic femineity... "Bitch"
That's because those feminists don't reflect and just be a complete hypocrite
Because society seems to have decided that men are the enemy
Its all fake. There is no medical treatment. No serious therapist deals with this. Its pseudoscientific garbage.
Because women feel as if though they deserve love and respect and men don't
satanic agenda
for the seed war to make men and women to stop having sex and making babies
satans plan
I don’t think toxic femininity exists
https://youtu.be/eodbmJoHD2w maybe... just maybe I used to think that... when I was young.
Lol I mean when I was a minor like you.
If there is no such thing as toxic femininity, then there definitely isn't something called toxic masculinity. Can't have your cake and eat it too, dear.
@TruthBringer toxic masculinity is real. I never heard of toxic femininity, but I guess that doesn’t necessarily mean it doesn’t exist. What is it?
@WhitneySnow As you said, just because you don't hear of it often (thanks to feminism), doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you truly are interested to know what it is, then watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwOne6dYZLg
@TruthBringer I’ll watch it later, but I get what you’re saying. You’re talking about radical feminism.
Yeah toxic femininity needs to eat shit and die.
Careful what you type Satanists are present..
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