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Abortion isn't essential. It's a choice in modern medicine. Pregnancies that threaten the life of the mother are statistically insignificant. Most pregnancies that are terminated for "medical reasons" are due to the child having a genetic or structural condition that would lead to a poor quality of life. Threats to the mother are rare. When they do exist, prematurely delivering is generally an option. That might mean the baby doesn't survive, but it can be given a fighting chance with modern medicine. Millions of kids are born every year. A couple hundred mothers have complications. If you want to save mother's lives, work on getting women healthy and cleaning up hospitals. The big killers are generally cardiovascular conditions due to bad health and infections. Women aren't having heart attacks and strokes because they didn't get an abortion, it's because of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc. Rates of women dying during pregnancy have risen sharply since Roe v. Wade was passed. Abortions didn't save mother's lives. Women becoming couch potatoes have taken mother's lives though, especially when it comes to Black women.
In many cases I am on the fence on this subject but there are a few cases where I believe it is essential, e. g. in cases such as rape and incest where the woman had no choice on becoming pregnant, and where there is a high risk of birth defects, etc.
In other cases I am of the opinion that it should be made available, but at a cost. That cost should also include mandatory yet unbiased psychological counselling, both before and after the event.
We are living in the 21st century but to take away decisions from the mother is tantamount to living in a dictatorship. Maybe those people who don't like it should move to the Middle East?
I do not live in the US but in a European country where abortion is 100% legal. I also wish I did not have to post this anonymously but there are several people who are replying to this thread who are extremely narrow minded (you know who I am referring to) and are not showing any compassion or care to the rights and health of women.
Abortion is not essential healthcare.
We should encourage Parental Education, Sex responsibility, Jobs for single mothers, support groups with mother's helping each other instead of judging each other. Moms helping each other with free day care by rotating babysitting kids for appointments, work, school so on.
There is so much that can be done if we all just supported each other and did more than complain constantly for rights that are not essential or natural.
They are convenient.
Healthcare is intended to prolong life. Healthcare is not intended to end life.
That does sound right
physician-assisted suicide must meet certain criteria, including: having a terminal illness, proving they are of sound mind, voluntarily and repeatedly expressing their wish to die, and taking the specified, lethal dose by their own hand. Healthcare about ending life and stopping suffering.
And this, of course, is why I avoid doctors.
@OlderAndWiser So hypothetically, if a woman got pregnant but due to health issues she could not carry the baby to full term unless it had a very high percentage of killing her, do you think a doctor should help with abortion to prolong the womans life, or should the doctor let the woman attempt to give birth and risk killing the mother or killing both mother and child?
@petitedollbabee No, in that case, I think the woman should be entitled to receive an abortion. But only because her life is threatened. But remember that the overwhelming majority of abortions are fot the convenience of the woman and are not done as a matter of medical necessity.
@OlderAndWiser Thank you for giving me your thoughts. It scares me how some men think that abortion shouldn’t be allowed, even when the womans life is threatened. I see no point in making a woman die just for a baby, and likely killing said baby in the process. But yes abortion out of convenience doesn’t sit right with me. I especially can’t wrap my head around women who have multiple abortions due to being careless.
@OlderAndWiser so if there are conditions that make abortions are Healthcare at what point dose that happen. When can doctors safely say that legally a high risk pregnancy in a life threatening pregnancy in the eyes of the law. When can doctors act with out fearing have legal charges brought against them. Because if they act when it safest to treat their patients that can always be an argument that child could have made to full trem like 90% of the time. Do we just take the doctors word or do we been multiple doctors approval or it a government agency deciding if a pregnancy is life threatening?
@Caunsos Just like life-ending (pull the plug) decisions for terminally-ill people, you need the written opinion of the attending physician and a second opinion that substantiates the attending doctor's opinion. But, of course, these cases are very rare. The overwhelming majority of abortions are done solely for the convenience of the woman.
Yes, it’s health care.
I bet your pussy is haunted 👼🧟♂️
@PatriceONeal Bit over the top.
Don't bother with Patrice. He's a beta male pretending to be an alpha. Small dogs bark the most
@Sirenboobzilla betas and alphas don’t exist, only slightly butthurt folk who enjoy belittling others for their opinions. He made a joke with a lot of truth to it and one hopes it would get you thinking
It's a wonderful example of why male politicians shouldn't be able to unilaterally rule on female reproductive rights.
At time of this reply, the only people who disagree are men. All those who agree, women.
Basically the only ones able to bear children are the ones who view it as healthcare. And those who bear no risk (it's not male bodies facing irreversible effects) view it as not.
Abortion is healthcare.
Without legal abortion, abortions will still happen. They will just result in the meaningless and preventable deaths of many people. Birthers and their babies included.
@PatriceONeal Definitely too far
Because you’re voting on the life of someone who can’t defend themself. So you’re discounting that individual’s vote as well. So everyone should have a say, those who are can. Furthermore, abstinence is free to all. Condoms are dirt cheap. And birth control is still affordable.
@PatriceONeal Standing up to your bull shit, buddy. Taking away women’s right to vote is too far. Republicans fought hard for that for good reason. We’re not welcoming back barbarism.
@PatriceONeal I already told you, this isn’t a pendulum that is going to swing back to the 1800s. We’re not going backwards. I’d argue you’re being irrational right now. Humans tunnel vision all the time and let emotion get in the way of “rational” thinking. Do not make the mistake of conflating rational with logical.
I propose another analogy to you. Cells are dying inside of you, me, everyone all the time. An average cell will divide 55 times before senescence. Technically, every time you yank your firehose, you’re committing mass abortion if you don’t impregnate someone. Technically, you’re committing abortion even if you do impregnate someone because not all sperm cells survive. For some of them, it’s not their function to survive.
Up until there’s enough tissue for organs to actually start forming a life form, it’s just a ball of cells.
And I’m not going to leave the door open to fucked up rapists giving women no way out, whether it be from incest or date rape. This why I say fuck you, in that regard.
@love_conquers_lust biggggg deflection coming in from fedora. What can I say I have a knack for these things.
@PatriceONeal since you areto stupid understand anything a simple grammatical error, I will rephase my point. Pregnancy put a woman at risk to some level. If you ask any doctor that deals with pregnancies they will tell you a banning abortion will cause women to die because of things like ectopic pregnancy. And in these dead women are dead children. So voting to ban abortions is voting to sacrifice women and children so you can feel morally superior inspit of the fact that the majority of the civilized world treat abortions as a human right.
Honestly I am sorry are such a piece of human shit that you feel it nessary to legal for a woman to carry your offspring to full term.
@PatriceONeal Fedora…I’m mostly German.
Yes, women get irrational because of heightened emotional sensitivity caused by menstruation. Men do as well (no, do not make the assumption that I’m implying men menstruate). You’re a fool if you don’t think men don’t get emotional. A rather big fool in this case.
You’re crying about a question and bringing no wisdom to the table. Emotion is not sufficient grounds for precluding people from suffrage.
You’re genuinely suggesting they remove a part of them that makes them human in the first place to be allowed to vote. If you believe this of yourself, that you’re somehow devoid of emotion, you are no good to the human race. You’re no different than a robot, or a psychopath<-Psychopaths genuinely have physiological disruptions in the right side of their brain, they genuinely don’t feel emotion when they kill someone.
*a fool if you think men don’t get emotional
^Don’t be petty
@love_conquers_lust fedora is the name of a hat typically worn by beta males. The other whiteknight =Caunsos is wearing one.
Why do Europeans and Germans like you think you have to push your horrible ideologies on the west? We are better than you. Germany is a shithole that cucks itself to refugees that rape their women. Your country is a joke. "Remove parts of them" what the hell are you talking about Hans gruber? Imagine if you had an argument and didn't have to make up strawman to attack. You are weak and defend women becuase they rule over you. American men aren't pussies like you eurotrash.
You are denying that women are far more emotional than men are. You do realize when women vote they vote for social welfare programs that promote laziness and destroy the economy. They vote selfishly. You can travel an honest discussion though. You're a whiteknight loser weinershnitzel that likes being dominated. We've all seen eurotrip
@PatriceONeal Stop quibbling over hats.
German is just my heritage. I’m American. My ancestors settled here before it was even a country. My relatives fought in both the Revolutionary and the Civil War. They genuinely had bloody encounters with Native Americans. I have another that fought against the Germans and was captured by them in WW2. He took what he saw there to the grave with him. Don’t question my pedigree. You’re in my back yard, boy.
I also noticed you’re too pussy or ignorant or both to disclose your heritage.
@love_conquers_lust "You’re genuinely suggesting they remove a part of them that makes them human in the first place to be allowed to vote." How disengenous
Now you’re fucking shaking in your boots. You’re trying to argue with someone who genuinely knows some people and has actually accomplished some shit. And still, where’s your pedigree? Who’s deflecting here?
You’re calling me (an American with German heritage who’s never set foot in Germany) a Nazi and still crying about hats, like a boy. An emotional boy. Who probably shouldn’t have the right to vote, by his own declaration. Because he’s irrational, breaking down, slinging bigoted (the irony from a shade slinging Nazi accuser) insults, throwing a fit, like a child.
@PatriceONeal first off I never claimed to be morally superior but easy I can make a case that I am. Like I don't believe in policies that will cause women to die. Or I don't disregard someone argument because they made a honest mistake.
Second Europeans are from the continent of Europe, Germany is a country in the continent of Europe, so Germans are Europeans.
Third I was born in the USA. And pro choice because I am alive today because of an abortion.
Fourth boys are born more emotional that girls. It that boys at raised to be less emotional and girls are raised to be more emotional.
Fifth. A woman opinion doesn't matter about abortion right and man's opinion doesn't matter about abortion rights. The only person opinion that matter on abortion are those that spent years studying health and have deep understanding of the risk and complications that come with pregnancy, and all those people seem to be saying banning abortions will lead to women dieing.
Sixth humans are emotional beings and you especially emotional. If you were logical wouldn't be attack a hat in my profile picture or love's nationality, you would debating the claim that abortion bans kill women. But I don't think you can. Instead you just sling insults and treat you your feelings as facts. Feelings you can't back up.
No. If you dying and need the abortion every single state in America will allow an abortion to save the mothers life. All of them. All 50.
The first thing they threatened was to stop having sex outside a relationship with men… I’m 100% supportive!
An abortion isn’t to save your life or protect your health it’s to protect your quality of life. It’s to avoid your mistakes. Could have used a condom (male or female) in conjunction with the pill and/or the insert and STILL have plan B as an option… If you get pregnant at some point you gotta take the L. You took a risk and lost. Or won.
Part of being equal is being held accountable for your choices. Everyone involved needs to be held accountable then maybe we wouldn’t have so many stupid people. Darwin woulda saved us from them already if we just took off the safety labels and sent them into the world.
1 in 50 pregnancies the egg will embed in to the fallopian tube, when this happen the pregnancy will fail and cause internal bleeding and dead for the woman. Their are diseases that treating will cause the pregnancy to fail and not treating will cause birth defects and to leave the woman infertile.
But it should be my decision what is essential Healthcare or your or an elected politician is some judge. I think it should be decided be Healthcare providers. And the majority of Healthcare providers say banning abortions will lead to women dieing.
There is no absolute, yes in some cases abortion becomes essential when even during a planned pregnancy there are complications, and the choice is between saving the life of the mother or child. Or rare cases of incest and rape when it's psychologically detrimental to force a woman to carry a child to full term.
However, in most cases abortion is neither essential nor was it unpreventable. Once sperm leaves the male body, he has absolutely no rights over what happens to it. So I propose that abortion be legalized in all cases irrespective the circumstance and also make legal financial aboritons or men who have freedom to not have to do anything with the child financially or parental wise. That sounds fair.
Only for women who were raped or who need it because it endangers their health or life. Though in fairness I also think that's the only time it should be allowed... possibly also if the child is very ill but that's not essential healthcare and should be paid for by the parents.
I totally agree with you! What do you think about say, a 13 or 14 year old girl got pregnant because her and her boyfriend we're messing around and didn't understand the consequences?
@Jumpin4blue That it seems like bad parenting to let someone else pay with their very life for our mistakes. When did such attitude became the norm? There's something to be said about the trauma of having an abortion, it's not a harmless choice even though it's often presented as such. It's always killing another person, sometimes it's just the lesser of two evils... but leaving something like that on the conscience of such a young person? Also, I'm not sure how it is elsewhere but I was taught about human reproduction at school when I was 10 years old and sexual education when I was 13. Certainly anyone with access to education who knows enough about sex to mess around is aware of the consequences... and learning from mistakes is part of growing up. This just seems like an excuse to avoid responsibility. If it was consensual and they are both around the same age, I don't believe it's anything to do with rape. Besides, not having such an easy way out would prevent those things from happening in the future and we would all be better off if children didn't have sex. That is of course, unless the doctors ruled that at whatever age the girl was, carrying through with the pregnancy is threatening her health or life. I also think any such case should be judge individually considering all the circumstances, the girls' physical and mental health as well as how far along she's in her pregnancy. If abortion was allowed on the basis of it threatening the girls' health or life then it would be essential healthcare.
Abortion is eliminating a future baby 👶. That mass of cells is not a inconvenience or a cancer that has to be removed for the mother to live, it can only be a baby. And people have rights, even if they are still a baby 👶.
So no, it isn't essential, in most cases, less than 1% of cases where the mother has been critically injured enough that for her to live, the baby can't, takes place. Or the injury has already taken the life of the baby. But that wouldn't be considered an abortion at that point 🤔.
So that procedure, that removes the already dead fetus, that is essential health care.
It’s just a Fetus that dies the baby isn’t even born and it doesn’t have
so it’s not Murder.
Murder is When you Kill a living being the living being has to be have a Complete and developed consciousness which means actual consciousness able to Form and Retain memories and knowledge and emotions and a personality.
A Fetus doesn’t Have a Personality it can’t form memories and Isn’t considered a Living being.
A Fetus Cannot think talk or Do push-ups it can’t experience Physically pain because it lacks a consciousness.
So no It’s not Murder Is an IT and is like pudding. Pudding cannot experience emotions or personality and cannot Form or retain memories and lacks the Power to Learn and read and work a Job.
A Fetus is just like every other inanimate object.
I’ve already signed a DNR as well as Some other stuff that Guarantees that The hospital cannot Treat Me.
That's a relief
It sure is.
Keep your nihilism to yourself.
You don’t have to engage in conversation with me.
Your doing it because you want too.
What thay have to do with you keeping your nihilism to yourself
Meanwhile, the American government has no problem dropping tens and hundreds of thousands of bombs on "BROWN BABIES" and "BROWN CHILDREN" overseas in Northern Africa and the Middle East.
What's the death count in Afghanistan and Iraq ALONE at this point? This has nothing to do with the "sanctity of Life". They actually just want people to think twice about having sex in case of an "accident", because they're obsessed with OVERPOPULATION (which is a MYTH).
It absolutely is if you have been raped, or are the victim of incest. But if you just got knocked-up… No, pregnancy is not a disease. As someone who has had an abortion, I can tell you it was extremely traumatic, and I was only 13 at the time!
@Creampiekarl420 I dont think it's about adding to the trauma. a lot of people come with the idea that getting a abortion in these circumstances is the best option. Of course, for most women in these cases, keeping the child will help them the most but sadly that isn't the case for many.
@letuswaltzforthedead that’s stupidity you have so many more options than abortion that’s the entire point of prolife abortion is a permanent solution to a temporary problem
@Creampiekarl420 First it was not my choice, I was 13, and I had TWO doctors, as well as my mother (a trauma surgeon and head of THAT emergency department) all telling me that my being under 85lbs, and being under 5ft tall that carrying the fetus to term would likely kill me, and if it didn’t, the damage to my reproductive system would absolutely make me unable to have any children in the future!
Second, my uncle was my rapist, and he was my father’s identical twin brother! Now I don’t know what level of genetic understanding you have, but identical twins have the EXACT SAME DNA! So it was absolutely NO different genetically to my own father impregnating me, and the birth defects were so profound, it was highly unlikely that the baby would have survived outside the womb anyway!
Third, if I was forced to carry my rapists baby, I absolutely 100% would have killed myself! Of that I have NO DOUBT! I had already attempted suicide as a means to stop him from raping me almost every day!
Lastly, ALL of this is absolutely NONE of your business! And what you just did to me was pure EVIL! To make a child rape and incest survivor, who was raped on her 13th birthday, JUSTIFY her parents and physicians medical decisions after I finally gathered the strength to tell someone what my uncle was doing to me… That is the definition of PURE EVIL! How dare you!
@CrazyGirl2 This is probably one of the worst things anybody could experience, I really feel for you and I cannot even imagine the pain you've been through. I'm glad you got the help you needed at the time and I'm so sorry this happened to you in the first place :( Still, I admire you more than anything - to have experienced that and not be afraid to speak out about the trauma abortion causes and how unnecessary it sometimes is and how lightly a lot of people treat it. I'll pray for you and hope you continue healing and experience all the best things life has to offer 💗💗💗
@Creampiekarl420 a 13 year old giving birth would break her hips
@Creampiekarl420 Sir, that is not at all ok. Please understand the fact that she was incestually raped at such a young age. She and the doctors did what she believed was the best for her. I am against abortion as well but do understand you're not helping anyone nor your point by talking like that, Of that child, dead or alive, she is the mother of, nothing will change that.
@letuswaltzforthedead that’s no excuse evil things are still evil rape doesn’t justify murder
@Creampiekarl420 never did, I'm pro life.
Nobody can be forced to sacrifice their life for another, such sacrifice can ONLY be voluntary. Forcing someone to give their life for another person IS murder though and you seem like the better candidate for becoming a murdered than me. Thankfully, you don't have that power. The more I read from you the more disgusting pos you appear to me, I honestly hope that you are mentally ill because that's the only excuse for the evil you're spewing.
@Creampiekarl420 This isn't a justification. It is an unfortunate situation that the doctors weren't able to save them both and that this wasn't prevented before she had to carry that baby. Many rape victims keep their children, and some put them up for adoption, but please try to understand age also plays a big role in this. Try talking more tactfully in your case, you're not talking to the perpetrators.
@Seinna I want to THANK YOU so much🙏🏼 I really appreciate your kindness. I remember the first time I told anyone about my rape publicly, I was so nervous, not knowing what to expect, but was so happy when the majority of people here were sympathetic, and understanding, wanting nothing but the best for me. They were genuinely concerned that I’d received the help I needed… then came the trolls like this @cremepuffDick4.5”or whatever his UN is! When it comes to trolls, I’ve learned that it doesn’t matter what I say, their only goal is to upset me, and keep it going as long as possible! I’ve also learned that there is nothing I could ever say that would make them stop or apologize, so why bother? I mean I CLEARLY wrote that 2 Doctors and my mom (who’s the head of emergency medicine at the hospital) all told me that given how young & tiny I was, not terminating the pregnancy would have killed me. The police wanted an ultrasound if possible. My mom consented as long as I was a draped so I couldn’t see it! But they later told me it was horribly deformed because my rapist was my dad’s identical twin brother! Yet this asshole accuses me of making excuses and insists that I had other options! I would have DIED if I kept it! Even if I chose to sacrifice my life the baby wouldn’t have lived long enough to be born! I was 13 years, old! In what reality could a 13yo possibly make THAT kind of decision? But again, this asshole says I’m blaming it on everyone but myself! I was raped on my 13th birthday, he continued raping me almost every week day for 3mos. In the end I needed major surgery to save my life, AND have children in the future… I was in the Hosp for a week, but this dick says it was MY fault! Only a TRUE troll could blame a 13yo girl for not having a plan in case her dad’s twin brother raped her and got her pregnant! You’re right, this was the worst thing that EVER happened to me, and I was in therapy for 6yrs. But I’m doing great now! Thank you 😊.
@Seinna …well, to be fair (and honest) I’m not exactly doing great, but I am doing much better! Thank you again for your kindness and your support. I would also like to thank @letuswaltzforthedead I appreciate your support and kindness as well. This actually was not my choice, I was too distraught, so before I was given a tranquilizer, I allowed my mother (who is a physician as well as my mommy) I trusted that she would do what was best for me. I never wanted an abortion, but I also never wanted to be raped by anyone, least of all a man who looked identical in every single way to my father, and he’ll me in his arms on the day I was born! What was done, was done to save my life. And I truly thank you very much for standing up for me.
You are so right, I shouldn't have engaged that troll. I just honestly couldn't believe there is a person on this planet so convinced of being good while being so evil... or disgusting enough to carelessly and cruelly hurt another that's already been hurt. Perhaps the worst person I ever came across.
But you are one admirable human being to have come out of it as you did and I cannot tell you how happy I am that you're in a good place now. I actually seriously respect you and I will remember your story and how strong and brave you were through it all because I doubt I'd have survived it myself.
You don't need to explain it to me, I completely understand that it was the best and honestly, the only choice. I'm also glad it was taken out of your own hands and that your mum protected you from further harm. You've been through more than is worth a hundred lifetimes so you deserve everything that's good and beautiful from now on. I pray God rewards you a thousandfold and more <3
@CrazyGirl2 that's fine, I'm honestly just glad you were able to get the help you needed during and after the whole situation. It sounds like a major and one of the most difficult things someone can go through but you managed to survive it all and hopefully you'll manage with whatever else life throws at you. Thank you for explaining your situation but I hope you know you don't ever have to be pressured into revealing more or explaining yourself further. I'm sorry for trolls like him or like anyone else who would say those things to someone. I'm aware that, in abortion debates, cases tend to vary very much but what was necessary was done in this case. You and your child would have likely not made it. Thank you for being brave and open to sharing your story.
@Creampiekarl420 read my last comment directed by you and I hope you'll understand. Yes, abortion is murder. Yes, there is other options than abortion. But that was not the case here. The mother here was risking her life carrying a fetus to term, a fetus that would have likely not made it either. Having to choose between one person passing away vs two is a difficult choice to make and luckily the medical professionals chose the former. I'm not a medical professional so I can't talk about the decision but morally, I don't understand why it would a completely wrong choice. Its morally grey, sure. In most cases, both people involved can be helped and that should be the goal. Not to shame or hate on the women, especially in dire cases like these, but to help them and prevent cases from this ever happening to anyone else.
@Seinna Awww, that was truly one of the most beautiful and moving things anyone has ever said to me. GaG truly amazes me, sometimes you deal with the scum of the earth like @creampiekarl420 (or CreampuffDick4.5” as I prefer to call him) and then you have a day where you meet the sweetest, kindest person ever. Thank you so much for your prayers. Although I was born and raised Jewish, my father (being British) is Church of England, but wanted me and my brother to make our own choice regarding our faith. After my Bat Mitzvah, which was all my mom really me to complete in Judaism, I decided to convert. Unfortunately I attended the only church where I knew anyone… and went to my uncle’s church! I actually loved it, it was so much more fun than Temple, especially the youth group, and Sunday school. After what my uncle did, he began a campaign of demonizing me, to shift blame away from himself, he was claiming that I seduced him. Sadly and unbelievably, many in the church chose to believe him! And that was the end of my conversion to Christianity. So please do pray for me, not just for what happened, but for me to find forgiveness in my heart for the Christian church which I felt turned it’s back on a child in need, just to protect a deacon with a LOT of money! And again thank you so much for your help, understanding, kindness, and unconditional love. I love you very much for all you have done today. With deepest gratitude, Laura.
@letuswaltzforthedead Thank you so much for your help and your understanding. And yes, you are right I should not have to explain the intimate details of my trauma… especially not to satisfy a troll! Nevertheless, you are a kind and gentle man, and I sincerely thank you for your support. You’re right anything to do with abortion (especially today) will be a highly heated topic of discussion, but nevertheless you saw the situation for what it was and defended what was right. For that I am eternally grateful. All my love and kind wishes for the happiest of futures for you, Laura
Was he at least prosecuted and in prison?
Yes, and no! Yes, he WAS arrested but due to the VAST financial resources of our family, we was turned in by his attorney, processed, and bonded out within a couple of hours! However, when he realized the scope of the prosecution, the amount of charges he was facing, the hundreds of years in prison he was facing, would mean life w/o parole, and lastly, he believed that I would never testify, he was wrong! Because of all that, he killed himself!!!
You have a choice whether to have sex and whether to use birth control. Abortion used as birth control after you were irresponsible is nonsense. That is not a right. It never was. That was far left justices legislating from the bench. Healthcare is ending the pregnancy when the mother's life is in danger or the woman was raped or the baby won't survive because of a defect and you are preventing needless suffering. It is not abortion as birth control or because you don't want the child. If you can't take care of the child you can always put them up for adoption.
I'm not sure how killing a human life qualifies as "healthcare". Certainly isn't very healthy for the child, not too good for the mother either.
Its actually extremely insulting that most companies cover abortion and contraceptives designed to prevent healthy function of the Reproductive system as "Reproductive health care" but then don't cover almost anything that actually is designed to aid the healthy function of the reproductive system, like IVF.
Nope. We hold men to the standard of "if you create life, you're responsible for it, or we'll throw you in prison."
It's time to hold women to the same adult standards as men. If a woman doesn't want to accept the risk of having a child, don't have sex.
(Though I do support keeping abortion legal in rape cases, if it was actual rape and a police report was filed. We'd need to give a start date of "starting xyz date, if you are raped and want to seek an abortion, you will need to provide a police report filed in relation to the crime.")
The main reason I said yes was because it should be considered healthcare especially when a pregnancy is risking your health the doctor says if you carry this baby to term you’re gonna die you should have access to ways to keep that from happening and to why should a woman that was raped before to carry her rapist child and be reminded of what happened to her
Yes, simply because of ectopic pregnancies where it's medically necessary to end the pregnancy via laparoscopic surgery to save the mother's life. Any abortion that doesn't threaten the mother's life should remain a voluntary choice performed by medical professional with a fee, and not considered a essential.
what people do not realize is that adoption increases the rate of kids being mistreated, abused and neglected. All throughout history for thousands of years, orphans have been mistreated and bought / sold as servants for households. If the same thing was done today where anyone can adopt a child, the same thing will happen to these kids.
I'm adopted and am very thankful that my mother didn't abort me. Adoption is a lengthy process with a lot of laws in place. It took several years for me to be adopted along with my brother. It's not a simple thing where you can automatically receive a child. Not "anyone" can adopt a child.
Of course i know its hard to adopt. And it SHOULD be hard because innocent defenseless kids should not be left at the hands of the wrong people
We may not have enough decent good couples to raise adopted kids. There are plenty of people who would adopt a kid just so the kid would take care of them when they retire. There are people who dont want to do housework so they adopt a servant. This happens a lot in other countries. And quite frequently these kids are never treated well.
I consider it murder. To me, abortion is fine when having the baby may kill you or something like that.
That’s not abortion. I can’t remember the term but the purpose isn’t to kill the baby for convenience, it’s to save the mother which I support!
@VanillaSalt To save the mother's life is different of course. But if you can't afford the baby then you need to give it up for adoption. People say they don't want backlash for putting a baby up for adoption but you shouldn't kill a child to save your reputation.
@blackcosmo The benefit of this isn’t that we stop killing babies. It’s dark to say this… I don’t really care about some random woman in California killing her baby. The real benefit to me is how it will effect society for the better. The first thing that happened when they starting DISCUSSING overturning roe vs wade was women threatened to be more selective with whom they slept with…
It’s not that we’re saving lives to me. It’s that we’re helping people make better decisions to protect society. Without the cop out that is abortion now there’s consequences. People rarely do the right thing if the wrong thing don’t have consequences.
Yes. As far as I’m concerned, whether or not anyone has any medical procedure is between a patient and doctor, and isn’t anyone else’s business. Abortion is no exception.
I think abortion is a heavy topic, if someone doesn't want to have a baby and is forced to give birth, the baby is the one who's going to suffer. In rape cases it should be only the woman's decision what counts, also in cases when both parents are too young. But, I've seen weird shit, women saying they would get pregnant only to have an abortion, some women are sick from the head and just wow, that's weird af..
There's no force involved in pregnancy outside of rape. To call it forced birth is disingenuous or foolish at best. Rape doesn't justify murder. Sorry.
@PatriceONeal It's a difficult topic, and I was against abortion because I'm aware of the harm it does to the woman physically and psychologically, but thinking about a little girl having to go through pregnancy after rape is just terrible.
Well as the overall scheme of healthcare yes it is.
Do you have woman carry a baby full term knowing it is going to live a couple of hours, days?
There are a large number of reasons for abortions, not least to save the life of the host.
Chromosomal abnormalities that can affect the child’s well-being, like trisomy 13, trisomy 18, Down syndrome, Turner syndrome, Tay-Sachs disease, and Potter's Syndrome
Birth defects like certain forms of spina bifida, meningocele, kidney abnormalities, heart defects, and anencephaly (neural tube deformation that affects the brain). Babies with severe birth defects generally don’t live long after birth.
Hydrocephalus (cerebral spinal fluid builds in the brain)
Premature rupture of the membranes (your water breaks too early)
the question really is, do you allow abortions that are approved by doctors and legal system or listen to politicians and Religious people….
It’s not a political decision and it’s definitely not a religious decision as you cannot and should not be forcing “your” religious beliefs on others.
Picture the scene, the first birth you went through gave you two children, you are told pregnant with twins again, but then a month or so later you find out that one of the above serious conditions applies to both.
You can abort or not.
If you keep they will require 24/7 care for the rest of their life, unable to move, speak, hear, or see, in pain 24/7 and fed through a tub, same with shit and piss via a tube.
Bigger house, maybe one partner not working.
At some point when unable to look after them, they will go into care system….
oh and those original twins, the impact on their lives, likely no college, poor schooling due to being young carers (that is a fact as young carers suffer more at school than other kids).
Yes it’s a shit decision and one that no one as such really takes lightly.