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Absolutely. Being soft on crime creates escalating circumstances and you end up where we’re at now: skyrocketing crime, elderly people being beaten and robbed in the streets and a fearful public. You can throw more cops at it but when the courts are a revolving door it’s not going to change anything. We’re not talking about people down on their luck stealing food for their families. We’re talking about hardened repeat offender felons.
Give law abiding citizens the means and the go ahead to defend themselves, their loved ones and their property and see how fast things turn around. Look at what’s happened in Brazil since they started relaxing their gun control laws.
Prediction:
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/10/684079625/opinion-relaxing-brazils-gun-laws-could-make-a-murderous-country-even-deadlier
Reality:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-legal-gun-control-regulation-reduce-violent-crime-shooting-murder-brazil-semi-automatic-permit-supremep-court-new-york-decision-11656268995
How is this even a question? Just because idiots let criminals run wild in places like NYC, Portland, Seattle, and San fran doesn't mean that will fly everywhere. I'm very old school. If you attack me or even just threaten to attack me or my family you're going to get dealt with.
No. If that person in your photo is arrested the judge at best could give him a short prison sentence after a trial. The judge could not impose the death sentence. Therefore it's illogical that you should be allowed to kill him.
Self defence should be proportional to the danger you're in and cease when it's over.
Yeap, if you're trespassing on my property and start fucking with my stuff, you're going to get shot, and the ambulance won't get here in time to save you nor will the police get here before I end you.
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I say yes, because the system does not reimburse us for stolen or damaged property.
Those that defend criminals will say that human life can't be replaced but your stuff can be.
Can be is the key word, they mean YOU as the victim will have to replace it and not everything is replaceable. There could be heirlooms that get stolen, diamond rings, etc... worth a lot handed down that mean a lot and now gone forever.
Even IF they get caught, chances are you'll never get your stuff back, the justice system doesn't give a damn about that.
So you have camera's, you see who it is... and they are actually able to arrest them. Chances are low even if they know who they are that they'll get arrested... but lets say they do.
They stole your stuff, sold it and get convicted. There is NOTHING to make them be legally required to get your stuff back in the same condition they stole it, in a timely manner and to pay for your lost time, lost usage of what they took.
They stole your car and now you had to rent one, until you could buy another one and it takes them six months to get it back. They drove your car, never changed the oil, did long lasting damage to it. Maybe they added some dings and scratches too, they won't be required to pay compensation for that, nor if you bought a new car and paying interest cause the car they stole was paid off. They won't have to do any of that either.
All these things are pushed to the be the burden of the victim.
Since the system doesn't care about actual justice for the victims, then criminals have no value.
Human life has great value until you decide to become a criminal, then the value of their life goes to zero... society will be better off without them.
It should be 100% legal to use deadly force to protect your property as we have the right to pursue happiness and property is part of that.
Now of course I could be persuaded to change my mind, IF the government replaced all of our stuff asap, and compensated for lost heirlooms what we value them at and then billed the criminal and made them reimburse the government for it. Then sure I could go for that.
Increase fines for crimes and use that money to fund this reimbursement... so long as victims are made whole in a very short amount of time.
I feel like death or serious, life-altering injury isn’t a fitting crime for theft. Also, whatever happened to “due process?” I’m not sure I’m comfortable just leaving the the life-or-death decision making to John or Jane Q. Public. I don’t even like when police shoot people, in a lot of cases. It’s supposed to be “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.” That doesn’t change simply because someone is caught red-handed. And furthermore, the court wouldn’t give the death penalty for theft. I just feel like the vigilante bullshit makes random assholes judge, jury, and executioner, and I simply don’t have anywhere near the confidence in the average person that I’d need to think this was a good idea.
The correct (lawful) answer is no, you cannot shoot someone, just because they're breaking into your car, or stealing your property.
HOWEVER... (ya knew this was coming), IF you (or your family, or friends) are inside your car, or your house, then you CAN use deadly force to stop someone. That pretty much applies in a "Stand your ground" state. The reason behind this is, you're not required to retreat from your dwelling (where are you going to go?), or your vehicle (into a mob that's attacking your car?).
If your car has no one in it, and someone is attempting to break into the vehicle, you cannot use deadly force. I would not even pull the gun out. Pull out the cell, yell at the individual to stop, and keep videoing the situation.
There's a lot of circumstances that have to be taken into consideration. Are they attacking you? Is your life in danger? What are the local laws and are you going to jail? Is the person with the gun defending their property responsible enough to not escalate when they can deescalate? Are you in your house or yard? There's a bunch of crap that is open to legal interpretation.
Let's say some tweaker had broken into your car in your driveway at your house. You come out with a gun and point it at him. You tell him to fuck off or you'll shoot. He tells you to fuck off, keeps taking your stuff but does not attack you. You shooting him to stop him from taking your stuff when there is not a clear and present danger to your life may or may not land you in jail, depending on the state laws. If the person is attacking you, then I say let him have the flying chunks of hot lead.
With reasonable force. Ie you tell the blm guy to stop jumping on your car rather than just shoot him. Though if a guy has broken into your home at night you should have the right to shoot first ask questions later not because he might steal or damage property but because they a danger to you or your family. Though I can see people accidentally shooting a kid sneaking in at night or daughter's boyfriend.
Legally I think you can perform a citizen's arrest, which means you can attempt to deter the intruder. That does not protect you from shooting on the spot. However, as an avid supporter of the 2nd amendment and the right to defend yourself, do not do that. Record and report. A gun comes out if your life is in danger, not your stuff. If someone is breaking into my house or my car while I'm in it, that is a different story though.
I have an absolute right to ''defend'' my property.
It happened before.
But a pathetic ''gun'' never was required. I may miss. But my tomahawk or my knife will not fail.
Not that I needed them until now. I just stared down the guys, and off they went.
The reason crime has risen astronomically is because people know they can commit crimes without fear of danger. Even the justice system has completely failed. Put the power back in the peoples hands, criminals will think twice if it’s worth dying to rob a store, house, or car. It should be common sense you are in danger of death when committing these kinds of crimes.
Defence is always about minimum necessary force.
There is nothing wrong with being armed while defending your property but that does not mean you can just execute your postman for walking through your gate.
Proportionate, appropriate, necessary justifiable force.
Yes. Turning their organs in red mist and watching with a smirk in in their eyes while they know it soon over is illegal in my country, unless it's an act of self-defense.
Absolutely yes. I have to pay for my personal property with the money which I earn with my time. Time is an absolutely irreplaceable commodity that each of us only has a limited amount of. This makes time the most valuable thing there is. Do you really think I should tolerate someone stealing my time?
I believe so. You just can't let someone destroy or take your stuff.
Context matters though.
If a person is trying to burn down your house then you should be able to use a gun to protect your home.
Someone trying to steal your car and you shoot them dead then you should get in trouble.
The way I look at it. If it's yours and legal - then no one is going to steal it.
Only a thief worries overtly about "their stuff" as they know it's stolen, and can be stolen back.
Yes you should be able to kill them as they are nothing but useless garbage to begin with!
I should be able to brandish a firearm to intimidate or stop a thief or a vandal. But it should still be against the law to kill someone over personal property.
I think it's too much, but I wouldn't be against it honestly. I don't think we should be 'nice' to vandals or thiefs. The police won't be there in time anyway.
If it comes to "stealing", you just need to be able to chop his hand and if possible amd relevant, one foot off. But of course it all depends if you were able to overpower him or simply get hold of him.
There are non-lethal alternatives out there. I would use a 9-mil to shoot out his tires and taze them.
Depends on the situation. Against any armed carjacker or against someone who has broken into your home or business while you’re in it, definitely.
If they're still in my house I can legally kill them, and indeed I will
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