What the f*ck happened? Why the hell wasn’t there a red wave? How the f*ck did Democrats win all these competitive races? Was there fraud?

[WhiteBoyChill]

It goes without saying that there was the worst inflation in 40 years, worst crime wave since the 90’s, worst border crisis in US history and an unpopular sitting President as well as CRT in schools.

But for some reason that’s what a surprising number of people still voted for. What should’ve been a “red wave” was at best a red ripple

I’m not sure if there was fraud this time tho given how fast the results have been counted so far.

Either way I just can’t understand why so many people voted for the Dems.

Perhaps maybe campaigning chiefly on abortion wasn’t a pathetic, futile and desperate attempt after all.

It appears to be a winning strategy. But then again, that’s all they had to run on, and I guess millenial women just really enjoy engaging in reckless sexual behavior and not having the law hold them accountable.

But yeah, the fact that Republicans did this bad is just embarrassing.

I guess maybe people just hate Trump aligned candidates. But I don't know.

Still rather strange Florida’s become this impeccable Red Pariah state.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-red-wave-that-wasnt/

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Genuinely struggling to understand why the hell so many people chose to stick with Democrats.

And why is it that basically every candidate endorsed by Trump lost?

[sage2021]

According to the internet, 790,000 senior citizens died from COVID-19. The seniors tend to vote Republican, so a lot of people died that normally would have probably been here to vote red. That's part of it.

Abortion became a bigger issue than inflation, so a lot of votes went blue because of abortion. The bad news is those people that came out in droves to get abortion rights caused all the rest of us to continue with inflation, high gas prices, high on everything else as well. In other words, they dragged the rest of us down into their craziness.

I'm still wondering if the new migrants were allowed to vote? 🤷🏼‍♀️

[WhiteBoyChill]

It just caught me by surprise because I would’ve naturally figured with everything else going on people would care about abortion very little.

Especially considering why the hell should any woman get worked up over abortion unless its something they use regularly?

[WhiteBoyChill]

But I think you’re right. The whole abortion stuff probably dragged out a bunch of people who don’t normally vote

[goaded]

"Especially considering why the hell should any woman get worked up over abortion unless its something they use regularly? "
OMG. A lot of people would get worked up if the government decreed that there shouldn't be seatbelts or airbags in cars any more; you may go your whole life without needing them, but when you do, you really do.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded False Equivalency. Too many women are just disgusting people who love whoring around is the real issue here

[WhiteBoyChill]

Hookup culture is immoral, and if there maybe was a consequence for it women would choose otherwise

[goaded]

And maybe they wouldn't. You're not banning it just for "fallen women", you're banning it for everyone, including married couples who use contraception. 60% of women who have an abortion already have a child.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded I’d be curious to know where you got that statistic from but either way abortion itself is an immoral act

[goaded]

It's from the CDC. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm

Who are you to determine other people's morals?

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded I see. So I guess raping and murdering people is subjective morality then and we shouldn't have laws against that either

[goaded]

In those cases there is a person who is a victim.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded what about the unborn child being a victim of an abortion?

[goaded]

It's not a person. People have personalities, experiences, thoughts. Most abortions are before there's even a working heart, let alone brain, and most of the rest are of desired pregnancies that have gone horribly wrong.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded “Most abortions are before there's even a working heart, let alone brain”.

That’s categorically false. Heartbeat forms around 6 weeks and they can feel pain at 8 weeks.

[goaded]

Nope. Look it up. Here's a very positive article about fetal development, and even it says: "That said, the brainstem, which controls vital functions like heart rate and breathing, isn’t mostly complete until the end of the second trimester, and the cerebral cortex doesn’t take up its duties until the third trimester. "
www.whattoexpect.com/.../

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded the hell is “what to expect. com”

I’ve read actual scientific publications

[goaded]

The first link that came up on a search for "fetal development" or something similar. If they're wrong, link to some of those "actual scientific publications" that show that. Before we go on, though, are you vegan?

[chrissykerdock]

abortion won in some states... eg abortion laws have been unchanged but you may not be able to get a 10 month abortion anymore... more like 7 month... always beware of a very close loss like the football player he lost by 500 that's suspicious... kari lake's loss of AZ is suspicious... Fetterman of PA is just pure disgust... really his opponent lost due to not coming clear maybe he did and just didn't get out there enough.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Its definitely suspicious but at the end of the day the courts are too politically motivated to get involved

[chrissykerdock]

they won't get involved... not these days

[goaded]

Only in America could a race between a divorced, mentally ill, wife abusing, purchaser of abortions adulterer and a pastor who's done nothing wrong in his life and have it be close. Mostly because of the "religious" voting for the former.

I get that Walker's advocated for more understanding of mental health, which is a good thing, but I think all those things should still be a disqualification for high office.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded uhm. Warnock’s got somewhat of a shaky past as well. How about his relationship with his former girlfriend?

[goaded]

Did he threaten her with a gun? Pay her to have an abortion?

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded If you believe that whole gun threat, you’re even more brainwashed than I thought

[goaded]

Why don't you? There are multiple police reports from before he stood for election. Besides, by your standards Walker's a murderer for paying for an abortion (or two), isn't he?

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded he’s a reformed man.

[goaded]

So, you accept that he did threaten to kill multiple women, including holding a gun to one's head. How does that make him a good candidate for the US Senate? Also, the abortions.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded I don’t believe his accusers. They’re paid Democrat operatives smearing his campaign

[goaded]

But you believe the woman Warnock was divorcing, despite there being no contemporaneous physical evidence of him running over her foot. The accusers were women Herschel had got pregnant. There's a signed cheque for the amount needed for the abortion.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded ok. And that stuff can easily be forged. At least with Warnock’s accuser it was his current wife and not some women he supposedly met from like 15 years ago.

And so much for a man of God not being able to keep a relationship. We’re talking about something that just happened too. Not something from years ago

[goaded]

Yes, because threatening to kill people is not important if it happened years ago. Was the evidence forged? Do you have evidence? One of the lies was that he never signed just "H", and then cards he'd sent signed like that came to light.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded well I guess the real issue might just be that I don’t care because it happened so long ago

[goaded]

I think you're right. You might like to re-think your priorities. People don't change much in ten years.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded I would disagree. I’ve changed a lot as a person in the past three years.

[goaded]

Of course you have, you're 22. Walker's 60. There's no reason to believe he's not the same person at 60 as 50. (Other than apparently he can become another, violent person at any moment.)

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded That’s not true. You don’t have a detailed account of what he did over those years. Anyway, his current beliefs seem genuine. Sometimes people regret the things they did after doing them. And at that, we don’t even know for certain if the accusations are true. I don’t suspect they are

[goaded]

It's not just a river in Egypt.

[AviatorTom]

The pundits will be analyzing this mid-term election for years. Things did happen about as history indicates, just not as big a swing to the other party as expected.

My simple opinion is that the economy is getting better, abortion was a major point for some and, as usual, Democrats did a better job of getting their supporters to the polls.

And remember, though voter turnout was the highest ever for a mid-term election, it was still less than 70% of registered voters. There are many people out there who chose not to voice their opinion at the polls... it would be interesting to find out how they would have voted.

[WarrenH]

I think it boils down to:

-Democrats/leftists (with few exceptions) have degenerated and (seemingly) do not care about specific issues nor individual candidates, only ideology/identity. They’re hyper-partisan and will not vote any other way, “power at all costs!”

-Republicans/right (with some exceptions) still analyze issues and cross-check candidates. This naturally leads to divergent opinions (healthy in a free country!). Unfortunately, this has now bitten them twice in a row, considering they are competing against a ‘hive-mind’ opposition.

[sage2021]

In future elections they should do away with endorsements because you never know when they'll backfire!!!

[Kaneki05]

Well what else do you expect when one side berates LGBT, abortion rights and all the other views that young people are learning to accept. Meanwhile all the oldies are dying off.
Now america is not quite there yet but if it follows like England with religious views been on a very much decline, when america's conservatism votes are vastly by these religious views that will only bring even less votes that are red.

But don't worry no way would I predict red to die off because that's just simply not how it works. Even England is still voting for the conversative side though tbh I have no clue why there is quite literally nothing going for it.
Where as America I would suspect tons of red voters just due to different culture changes between states so it would make some sense for it to always be around.

[goaded]

The UK's now 52% no-religion, iirc. And yet people aren't going around raping, killing, and pillaging. Funny, that.

[Kaneki05]

Yup 52% it doubled within in only 7 years from 2011 to 2018 it was at 25% back then. And now it's 2022 so it will be even higher maybe 60%?
Meanwhile America is about where we were back in 2011. So give it until 2030 and they'll catch up with us.
Pretty much religion is dying out in western countries. Which you would think leads to less Conservative votes but it more just leads to the conservatives been more left but still red. Aka why England's conservativism is way more left than US's red.

[goaded]

I didn't realise it happened so quickly. I expect it's a reporting thing; once it's safe to say what you are/think, people start telling the truth. In the 1970's I was told to put CofE in a religion box, not because I was a believer, but because it was expected.

[Kaneki05]

@goaded Hmm didn't think about that but yup that's totally a truth to it. Obviously much less bad compared but it's the same thing that happened with Hitler and dictators even before they got to power really people were pressured to vote them not because it what they wanted but because it was expected otherwise people would shame and outcast you.
And then even if worse if you refused later on when they did get in power.

So similarly if everyone around you is religious and it's expected of you otherwise you'll be seen as the outcast and someone making trouble you'll just sign it as been religious.
Peer pressure at it's finest.

Same thing happens to people of LGBT too if you were gay 10 or 20 years ago you may have not be comfortable saying so compared to now.
So yeah I would imagine it's got a lot to do with that too.
In fact that's probably why religion seems so big in US if you are living down south in some religious local town your not exactly gonna speak up if you are liked by the community in fear of been outcasted.

More something is accepted the easier it is come out.

[goaded]

I remember, in the 1980's a Channel 4 segment called "Out On Tuesday", where they'd film people coming out to their mates. It was a good thing.

[Emiliamazing]

It's hard to get voters to change their affiliation. Once Trump is out of the picture and the Republicans start putting some more centrist candidates in, that should be an improvement. People make voting way too personal. They don't look at what is best for the country, they look at the issues that candidates are campaigning for. Everybody wants to lower inflation, most people don't want to have an abortion, these are all factors that shouldn't even be part of an election.
everybody associates Democrats with more money for the less fortunate.

[goaded]

That's why there wasn't a blue wave.

As to "most people don't want to have an abortion", I couldn't have one if I wanted, but I can still support the people that do.

[normalice]

If republicans had a viable plan for inflation they could have put it into place at any point in the last two years. Democrats have repeatedly expressed their eagerness for bipartisan solutions. Republicans seemed to want only to ride on an electorate that didn't want government to do anything that they would notice - people who should need an explanation for why their lives haven't improved in proportion to the rich despite decades of voting republican, but on some level must know no such explanation exists so they double down on unrealistic conspiracy theories. I hope people just started waking up to how absurd that is and turned out to vote against it. But who knows..

[loveslongnails]

Hmm... could be because inflation was merely being put off and was heavily triggered by Covid and the supply chain being decimated, while crime, the border crisis, and whatever else you want to blame on one political party has really been kicked down the road for decades. On top of that, the R's are notorious for merely pointing out problems and claiming to have solutions when they really don't.

The Dems don't have great solutions either, but at least they try to go forward. The R's want to go backwards to post-war boom economies while forgetting they condoned tax breaks for American companies that went where the cheap labor was - overseas. And so did the Dems. You had to in order to feed the American lust for cheaper and cheaper goods.

So who gets control now is ONLY important in the sense of who's willing to go forward. The R's don't seem to want that, so the D's just fumble ahead on their own. Not a very functional system.

[Anonymous]

There can only be fraud when the results are very close. Mostly people under 30 voted, and they voted Democrat because they think the Supreme Court case made abortion illegal, which it did not. They have no foundation in history or critical thinking or reasoning, and just do what they're told by the media.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Liberals don't care about inflation, cause they get government handouts... doesn't effect them.

Far as I'm concerned, doesn't need to be a red wave, just enough to stop anything from being done. Doing nothing is better than the shit of the last two years, which might as well be nothing, cause it has done nothing for us.

Gridlock is a good thing when those right hating Democrats are in power.

[alice55]

In France they said it’s cause à tons of young people voted and young people are for a big majority libéral because of thé brainwash they get in school

also they demonize right side in school and consider them all racist homophobic and not caring about anything but White hetero men and they brainwash children and teenager into believing that.

[WhiteBoyChill]

That is definitely true. I would hope they don’t have the same stuff going on in France though. Its definitely getting ridiculous.

[alice55]

It's not as strong but we have a similar stuff in school (but it depend mainly on the teacher if the teacher is right wing we don't have it but if he's leftist they try to brainwash us though it happened only in high school for me though I left school in 2016 so it been quite fews years maybe thighs are different now). I also live in the countryside, I was in a tiny school we weren't even 15 in the whole school and we learnt a lot about religious architecture and French king, we never learned a single things about a foreign country just France.
In middle school we learnt mostly France and a bit of Italy (Renaissance), England (hundred years war) and Germany (WW1 and WW2) and the cold war America / soviet union.
We learned a lot of Black slavery in America in high school though and talked a lot about immigrant I don't know if it was cause it was high school or cause the program had changed.
My middle school was pretty Catholic though cause we didn't have the right to eat any meat product on Friday and we had cake. In high school they didn't respect that, they served meat on Friday which was quite shocking for me. (I don't know about American Christian but Catholic cannot eat meat on Friday).

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don’t know about other Christians either but Catholics don’t eat meat Friday’s here either during Lent

[alice55]

Here too but it’s meant to be done every Friday

[alice55]

Not just during lent

[WhiteBoyChill]

I find that kinda strange tbh. Its only during Lent where people gotta make sacrifices here

[goaded]

It might also have something to do with even Republicans wanting to continue to be allowed to vote in free and fair elections. Or that the people Trump endorsed were almost all terrible people, many of whom were willing to end American democracy.

[Ill_made_Knight]

As I said, democracy was on the ballot, and it appears that it has won out in MOST of the deeply Trumpy races... Nevada and Arizona still hang in the balance, but each state determines it's own method and protocol for tallying ballots. This is normal for BOTH of these states.
Sadly I'm in TX which remains a fucked shade of deep red... still breathing a little sigh of relief.

[goaded]

@Ill_made_Knight America really needs some constitutional amendments dealing with corporate money and essentially legalised bribery. wolf-pac. com

[Ill_made_Knight]

campaign finance reform... yup. Wolf-pac is a Cenk Uygur thing (TYT). You speak truly... the citizens united decision opened the floodgates. Nothing can really even be affected much until something is done about the cash being spewed all over elections mostly legally. I was a Bernie guy you know, Americans think he's so RADICAL... I think most europeans might see him as a moderate?

[goaded]

@Ill_made_Knight He's reasonable. maybe not electable, but that's what they thought about Trump in 2016.

[Ill_made_Knight]

Yes... not electable was the DNC's reasoning when they stacked the decks in the primaries and VOILA!! Joe Biden is your nominee. Who knows what a Trump v Sanders contest would have returned... truthfully though I'm easily to the left of what most Americans find acceptable. But that's not really hard to do.

[noohair]

It was in my humble opinion, the Supreme court leak, and the big lie. There was no insurrection, it was trespassing, and not the threat to democracy that the progressive media said it was. Only one person died a she was shot by capitol police. There were 500+ riots in summer 2020.

[nolabels]

It's my theory that the abortion issue brought out the blue.

Which brought to mind this thought, which I'm sure I can find out if I research it - How and when do issues appear before The Supreme Court?

I'm going to find out.

[KayMay]

I was also surprised. I actually thought that more Democrats cared about rampant crime and fentanyl killing kids. How stupid of me.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don't know. After last night I guess I’ve come to realize I had too much faith in humanitu

[WhiteBoyChill]

Humanity

[KayMay]

The American experiment was fun while it lasted.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I mean. The only way to save the Republic is to overhaul the system. Right?

So are enough common citizens fed up enough to actually do something about it, is the question of the hour

[KayMay]

Enough common citizens fed up? Obviously not, because they voted for more of the same.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m saying that hypothetically a mob of 10 million armed people could storm the Capitol if they were competent enough to keep their plans undercover

[Ill_made_Knight]

Here in Texas we have Greg Abbott... he kills our people and kids.

[Anonymous]

Kinda odd how we still don’t have results in Arizona and Nevada...

[WhiteBoyChill]

Its been like literally over 10 hours and the vote tallies have been stagnant

[Opinion Owner]

Nothing sus there. 🙄

[WhiteBoyChill]

Oh nevermind! Its now been over 24 hours and they still haven’t counted a thing!

[joeldalton]

The republicans ran crappy candidates, and Trump isn't the kingmaker people think he is. George Soros pumped millions into blue candidates. Plus the usual media collusion.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I actually think most of the Republicans were good on policy

[WhiteBoyChill]

But it was probably the media more than anything else. They’re able to brainwash so many brainless people.

[joeldalton]

Name me one thing that Dr. fucking Oz proposed that wasn’t along party lines, lol.

[WhiteBoyChill]

He was definitely establishmentarian but he shoulda still had it. His opponent was an absolute mentally incompetent trainwreck.

[joeldalton]

Of course, but Democrats have already set precedent they don’t mind that in their candidates.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Either way that still doesn’t explain why Doug Mastriano lost by an even wider margin if the issue was chiefly about Republican enthusiasm.

[WhiteBoyChill]

The country is just becoming more liberal I guess is all it is. The more conservative a candidate, the more energized people are to vote against them

[joeldalton]

No. When DeSantis got rid of mail-in voting, required IDs and had a government force to protect election integrity he won by a landslide. 75% of the country is dissatisfied with how the dems are running it. Don’t fall for the propaganda, use your noggin.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Well fck this shit! Why the hell is it that two years after the 2020 BS, nothing changed?

[joeldalton]

Because Republican legislatures in charge sat on their ass and didn’t grow a pair like florida. Hopefully, he’s at least shown you can be a strong leader and win against the corruption. Plus half the Republicans are corrupt, too. Look at that piece of shit Dan Crenshaw.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Alright well still. I don't know what the fck our problem is. Why the fck are we just gonna keep letting Democrats get away with murder?

The whole reason we had all these people like Doug Mastriano were so we could actually have strong leadership.

But for Christ’s sake so long as we have weak leaders, we’ll never get strong ones

[Ill_made_Knight]

Democracy was on the ballot. America just told the nut jobs that want to go full blown authoritarian to go fuck off.

[irifebeck]

Maybe because people actually care about the issues Republicans went against...

Why is the first things Republicans like to cry about when they 'lose' is FRAUD. Like?

[DryGermanGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ejB3Tq-4E3o

Seth Meyers shall explain it all for you!

[Anonymous]

Maybe because trying to overthrow the government, taking away women's rights, and fascism are not popular in America. 🙄

it's pretty easy for those of us not divorced from reality to understand.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Ha this is laughable! You’re the one detached from reality mate.

[Opinion Owner]

most exit polls showed abortion and threats to democracy as two of the top issues. did you really think half the country was going to neglect their rights because the price of milk went up? lol, get real.

a key point you're missing is the retardlicans never offered a plan to combat inflation or crime. talking about it isn't enough, you've got to offer solutions, and they had no plan. wtf can they even do about inflation? nothing.

it's always funny when trumptards living in a delusional, alternate reality get smacked in the face by reality. 😂

[WhiteBoyChill]

That’s strange. Because most exit polls I’d seen suggested the jobs, economy, crime and inflation were top issues

[Opinion Owner]

You wouldn't see that if you got your news from sources outside of the alternate reality, right wing echo chamber.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Right. Because only the left has a reputation of being truthful.

Anyway there’s plenty of left wing networks that said exactly as I’m saying

[Opinion Owner]

Lol, please. Like you would even know. You don't watch anything on the left.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I still tune in to what they’re saying every now and them

[Opinion Owner]

[Opinion Owner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUTqRWmPVn8

[WhiteBoyChill]

Bud you can fake it all you want but initially Democrats were very worried about losing seats

[Opinion Owner]

Not those of us who followed the analysis that ignored republicons bias, shit polls designed to skew averages and perception. None of the non bias republicunt data suggested a red wave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KINtcmklA3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alZ8AT98kwM

[WhiteBoyChill]

You’re looking at clickbait. Not what the major networks were actually saying

[BeMuse]

There is wide spread fraud, that's for sure. It has been documented.

[BeMuse]

Wait a few days... Don't start dooming.

[BeMuse]

What you don't realize yet, but you will understand in time is that Republicans took the House and will take the Senate even though there was obvious wide spread fraud. You know what that means? That means Republicans can form communities, run investigations, and bring impeachments charges against people that cheated. They can then prosecute them… I know, you want instant gratification, but that’s not how wars are won. There are many small steps/battles that lead to victory.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Even if we do barely shirk by I think you’re being too optimistic

[tfan1]

I like how you think and I hope you are right 👍🙂

[BeMuse]

Ha! Well I’m no quitter. As Patton would put it, accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. I’ll give you the fact that we’d need 2/3 of the senate to prosecute impeachments. That’s not something that can happen this election. That said enough must see the truth first. Durham is showing the corruption in the courts. MAGA republicans will show the corruption in the senate. Media corruption is being exposed by alt-media on the internet. Big tech corruption is being exposed via Twitter, FaceBook, and Google censorship… Musk bought a crime scene… A lot will come to light in the bear future. People must know in order to demand justice.

[BeMuse]

*near

[Anonymous]

Because real Republicans want no part of Trump’s legacy, and will scratch any candidate he endorses. He’s a liability for the GOP.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Seems to be the case. Its as if the only Republicans to win were the ones Trump hadn’t endorsed.

[goaded]

Much is made of the 60% of Republicans who believe the Big Lie, it's rarely mentioned that that means 40% don't.

[Anonymous]

I think it was too many far right candidates that Trump endorsed, they don’t appeal to swing voters.

[WhiteBoyChill]

It sucks though. Doug Mastriano would’ve done a great job and Gretchen Whitmer is a hard leftist

[Opinion Owner]

Well when it comes to incumbent candidates particulalry governors they can be difficult to unseat, the public doesn't like the instability of changing offices. Also it can be difficult to win elections with fringe candidates, sure there fringe districts that will elect an AOC or a Marjorie Taylor Greene but trends usualy show the most sucessful candidates appeal not only to their base which may be far left or right but also appeal to indendents as well as moderate rebulicans and democrats.

[Opinion Owner]

*moderate republicans*

[WhiteBoyChill]

Yeah but I’m saying Mastriano and Dixon were good candidates tho. They really weren’t anything like Mtg at all.

I guess just being endorsed by Trump is somehow a crime

[goaded]

Gretchen Whitmer, the target of a kidnapping and probably assassination attempt? Five convictions in that case, so far.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded Ok but why should what a few crazy people do have any bearing on my views toward a candidate?

[goaded]

It might have a bearing on people's views of the side that tried to kidnap and kill her.