i voted "not bad" but it does come with a caveat.
the vast majority of americans who receive benefits from the government do so on a temporary basis. i think the stat was like about 90-120 the "average" recipient receives benefits. this demonstrates that people aren't looking to abuse the system but rather use it as it was intended, which is a safety net to help people falling into absolute poverty during tough times in life.
i generally support social welfare with significant oversight and regulation. but when we see how much governments spend on military and abstract research i don't see how we can be especially upset when we give money to human beings
thank you. and i meant to say the stat shows the average recipient receives benefits for 90-120 days.
but every coin has two sides, you showed one side, which is true, called charity, but the other side in addition to charity is "they rely on it and get trapped relying on the help and needing more." if i can't say that because of my skin color it is still true.
"the stat shows the average recipient receives benefits for 90-120 days. "
This isn't really true. Maybe those numbers include things like unemployment or workers comp, which most people don't consider to be welfare. Most people consider welfare to be pure give-away programs that are means tested.
In the biggest and most costly programs, the most common group is more like 3-4 years or longer. With Medicaid, the biggest groups are almost a tie between very short term, and very long term. That's probably because a lot of people who get Medicaid as a one-shot thing to pay for something specific. So they do it for a specific thing, then are out. But if something comes up again, they do the same thing again.
By far, the highest participation is in Medicaid, SNAP, and housing assistance. Those are also the ones with the longest participation and the most costly. SSI and TANF have far less participation, and are the shortest participation. With SSI, the largest group is still in the 3+ years range, but that's shorter than the other programs.
There are large numbers of people who are on welfare their entire lives.
Okay, I'm from England, but this is one of my bugbears.
Obviously, I can understand the necessity of social support, a safety net, what have you. WE can all be down on hard times etc.
What I don't like though, is when it enables people's lifestyle. I see migrants benefits claims as part of my work. Often they get £1500-2000 per month (which is like a lower professional's salary where I live after tax), for the wife to stay at home, including £250 per kid (for say, 3 of 5 kids) and for the husband to work part time earning, say, 800 a month. The wife will have no intentions of getting a job as for as I can tell because as part of certain Asian communities, the wife would not work - and why would she given that money is more than what she'd get working minimum wage. That fucks me off. There's no way I should fund people to bring kids in the world, when I'm working my arse off for little in the way of benefit or reward, and can't really afford to have kids myself. Not just having a go at migrants by the way cause I'm sure the native population milk the system, too.
exactly the problem, such charity must come with the condition to get a part time job, in ANY job if physically able, (except what is the term handi-capable?) they can't turn down a job or else they will lose the money, so they are forced to take "whatever" is available same as i worked in cleaning.
Not bad. Only things that's bad is the people who lie and cheat the system to get benefits. And like honestly I'm only saying that cause I'm a little jealous of their skills like htf they lying because I'm just too truthful on those applications and can't get accepted😂
People who are bothered by others receiving benefits should seriously try being poor for a day and see how it feels to have to reach out for help like that cause speaking from experience it definitely ain't fun being in that situation.
to apple you focus on the wrong part. those are not anti-charity the problem is, the result, as i wrote to blc, but if you want to know the other side then hear the original explanation by candace owens she is brilliant and well thought out and explained this better than i can recall.
This is the fakest debate in American politics. Democrats want to give money out to buy votes. Republicans want to cut taxes to buy votes. Both parties want people to have more money and credit for them having it. Literally all they fight about it what to call it.
the difference is the one who pays "less tax" HAS the money themselves in contrast to moving it around.
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as candace owens explained , and far more elegantly than i echo, the handouts are indirectly harmful by motivating people to not bother working. but she explained it much better without the "white guy guilt" you can't blame her of bias to defend her own ethnicity. i add the concept is also insult to minority that they "need" it assuming they are weaker, than white so need the handout or need spots in colleges, they say if not save spots, will be "all white" assuming that the minority is too weak to succeed such assumptions are racist too.
the issue is more than "give a guy a fish is not as helpful as teach to fish" the problem is worse because they "rely" on the handout that TRAPPED them in the same situation, "dems=(democrat politicians,) who keep you in that situation by giving you handouts, for votes."
It's bad because the vast majority do not need it. They are leaches. It's a form of slavery - meaning the tax payers are the slaves. This is not "government" money. It means people are forced to work for free, with the money going to someone else who are perfectly capable of working for themselves.
Welfare does not help people, it just creates more poor people. It's the biggest cause of the problem, not a solution.
I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand. If you go to parks, they tell you not to feed the wild animals, because it creates dependency and the animals can no longer fend for themselves. Everyone understands that. But when you apply the same exact principle to people, suddenly people can't figure it out.
Welfare is just a way to buy votes. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right?
Exactly!
So what do you suggest as alternative? Not giving any help to people out of a job so they become homeless instead? Or do you live in a deluded reality were anyone can get a job within a couple days without any issues.
Also buy votes? Yeah tell that to all the non-voters who are on welfare lol.
@Kaneki05
The alternative is to stop giving away money and services to people who don't truly need it. That means the vast majority of people collecting various forms of welfare.
No, I don't expect everyone to get a job in two days. But the large majority should be able to get a job in two weeks, or a month at the most. When people say they can't find a job, I don't believe them. Companies are begging for workers. When I hear someone claim they can't find a job, if I look into it they aren't really looking. In two weeks they should be able to apply for at least a hundred jobs.
If someone hasn't applied for at least 500 jobs, then they can't claim they can't find a job. They haven't really been looking. If they hit a thousand, then at least they can say they've been looking.
Plus you don't need a job to start working. I can walk out the door tomorrow morning and probably have something lined up before the end of the day.
If people who don't need it stopped leaching off the system, then the very few people who DO need it would have far better services.
They ask for proof of searching for jobs and applying to them so as such people are looking. And it don't matter how many you've applied for because none will reply anyway. They get other candidates with better experience, and grades or whatever else.
Millions of applications aren't even looked at nvm getting to a interview stage.
I have never heard of anyone outside of very small towns who can just walk out of the door and find a job lol. And if your talking just a small pay for a one time thing yeah two key words there One and Small. That don't keep you going.
Also 1000? Ya know there is only about 2000 openings where I live. And once you start narrowing that down to jobs you can actually do or ones you won't be automatically unaccepted for it becomes a much lower number of roughly 500. Then you think there is more people without jobs than just me though so if they have anything look better they will no doubt get the opportunity before me.
The amount of jobs will change from place to place but the same issues arise making it more or less the same.
@Kaneki05
If you are talking about unemployment, which in my opinion is not welfare, then yes you have to "look for a job". But you don't have to do it seriously and I doubt if they check many of them to see if you actually applied. The last I knew you only had to apply for ten a week, which is nothing. And they don't have to be jobs you can actually get. It's EXTREMELY easy to play that system.
Yea, a lot won't reply. That's why you have to apply for a lot of them. I'd guess that only one out of ten reply. But currently companies are begging for people. I think the odds are a heck of a lot higher right now.
"I have never heard of anyone outside of very small towns who can just walk out of the door and find a job lol"
Actually small towns are the hardest place to find a job. You'd probably be better off finding your own work in a small town. In large cities, there are large numbers of jobs. That's one of the main reason why more and more people move to the cities - that's where the jobs are. And that's especially where the good paying jobs are.
"Also 1000? Ya know there is only about 2000 openings where I live."
Forget openings. Applying for jobs that advertise opening is the worst way to look for a job. First, those are the same jobs everyone else is applying for. Second, most job openings are not advertised. Third, the company doesn't always know they have an opening until someone applies - seriously.
And I repeat, you do NOT need a job to work.
Takeaways have enough people signing up for them already.
Well it's not just my experience also my dads and others. My dad took 2 years just to find one job and he searches for way more, he even considered moving to find jobs he takes the idea more seriously and yet 2 years of nothing. Eventually he got something but guess what? Within a year they let him go so once again he's back at it.
And he's done this multiple times now just a repeat pattern of back and forth.
Personally I've never had a single reply ever so I don't know. Managed to get a interview thing through the actual jobcentre just did it right there on the day it seemed to go well but of course they never sent any response back afterwards.
And that's the only interview I've ever had thanks to it been forced by the jobcentre.
And you can't blame people when they search and start to become unmotivated by such lack of any good news, it's only natural people will become so. Therefore making it even harder as less motivated but remember there was a time when they were or even still are yet failing to get a job or more importantly a stable job.
to wind some countries stipulated you only get money if you go to job interviews for ANY job physicly able... they must accept any job or lose the help, they even came up with tricks to interpret as if they "refused to work just by not starting the job." that is the painful policy.
Not American, but y'all have more problems with PROFITABLE CORPORATIONS getting more social security - through direct bailouts and indirect subsidizing via taxpayers paying for food stamps for employees of those companies (effectively shouldering some of the financial burden Walmart should carry in wages) - than Black people.
Start with taxing corporations, the rich, and eliminating socialized losses for your capitalists.
Also, Americans did this to themselves because of systemic racism like gerrymandering election boundaries, and redlining. You have to fix those issues before you can actually have a functional social support system.
haha both sides did gerymandering. the solution is objective straight lines but nobody listened to me.
Its an horrendous socialistic ideal , governments DO NOT have revenue , they simply collect tax , its not theirs , absolutely NO ONE should consider it some form of " right " the USA represents the free world , the top of the tree in the " free world " , with this comes opportunities that some countries could only imagine , its vital to never take " hand outs " unless its an absolute complete backstop.
Must never be considered as somehow just OKEY , its NOT !
There's an hypocritical nature to calling it bad. Because if handouts are so useful and great then they would opt to abuse it too rather than work but the fact they don't is because they know work will fund them more than handouts could give therefore matters not.
"Hey people get money from this tactic it's so unfair though I could also do that right now but I am choosing not to." yeah the reason you choose not to is because you know no matter what you say that you aren't doing it because it would provide much less money therefore the system works, as that will make people who want more money work and that's life.
Because people are fucking stupid and cynical. They think just because they bust their ass and lie, cheat and steal, everyone else must too.
When in fact there are poor bastards out there who are in situations they cannot help, but are still trying their utmost everyday. They need help, not empty abuse from dipshits who can only talk and judge.
Any time you come across some fuckwit claiming all people on welfare are "on the take". You look that dipshit in the eye and demand to know how many they have successfully reported for this imaginary "fraud". Then how many they have helped go onto better things from welfare living. They will stutter, give a little soliloquy or sophistry and fuck off.
Nobody, not even a crazed schizophrenic, "enjoys" living in welfare poverty. But it's how middle class nobodies try and enforce their class ideals.
Long term yes, if you need government help for a year thatās not bad the idea is you get a pick me up for the government and use that pick me up and get a job that will get you to a point where you donāt need government help and the government should cut you off after a year or 2. Thereās only one business I can actually think of where you will not get ahead at all where are they will purposefully fire you when it comes to your time with emotion and that is Walmart thatās why I donāt shop at Walmart.
It depends. I see nothing wrong with needing assistance at some point, but I think everyone's goal should be to contribute more to society than they take. That doesn't have to be money, but people should find a way to make other peoples lives better, and not just rely on people doing things for them
People don't have a problem with those in genuine need getting assistance, it's generally abuse of the system that bothers them. I suspect that if recipients were working part time or at least doing some volunteer work when receiving benefits, you wouldn't hear many complaints.
My feeling is that our anger should really be directed at corporate welfare and other big abuses.
I have no problem helping those who are in need, but I do have issues with the administration of government programs in general. These programs seem to be abused far more by politicians as a way of rewarding their friends than they are by recipients. And then there is the massive fraud, like what happened with COVID relief. With the ridiculous amount of taxes I pay each year I expect better than things like this:
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/27/1184555444/200-billion-pandemic-business-loans-fraudulent
Government assistance should only be for those in serious need of help i. e. poor kids, poor elderly, people in need, and those seriously handicap or sick.
If young and healthy and the person just wants to mooch off the system then it's bad and those people shouldn't be helped.
Yes. Handouts are unfair to people who put in more effort. Just like giving every athlete an Olympic medal would be unfair to those who put in more work. Government should have never gotten involved in handing people things. This should have remained the job of charities, churches and such organizations.
I don't know how someone could have any understanding of economics and not know the answer here. It affects me because I pay 30 thousand a year in taxes, so I work 9-5 5 days a week and there are things Iād rather be doing, and these people just sit back and get my money
they should fking work
Agree!
Our tax money goes to those people and people like that abuse the government
I barely make enough to afford rent
Our tax money also goes to illegal immigrants too. Never thought about that?
It also goes towards single moms that keep popping out babies for government aid as well
Im sorry but I donāt want MY money that i work hard for, to be used on strangers. I need my money to support myself. Look at this shitty ass economy.
Its called survival of the fittest
We need our money for ourselves. People who use other peopleās money, abuse the government usually
Your still forgetting that a lot of it also goes towards illegals too
The border is open in California
A lot of our taxes goes towards the illegals
Ok, i see your point no
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Yeah, the government should be assisting homeless US citizens not illegals but instead they give free shit to the illegals
What about all of 80 million that goes towards the prisoners? @Shamalien we all work we all pay taxes Americans should stick together!
Our fortune is mostly just luck. I am well compensated, but it's not because I've worked terribly hard to earn it. I just have an ability to do something in high demand and short supply. I had some rough times when I was young but was lucky to have no attraction to addictive substances so I didn't self-medicate, but it could easily have gone the other way.
Depends. A lot of working people get some for of welfare but here's the kicker the government is essentially giving them back some of the tax they paid and then inflation. Its like if someone gives you a birthday present but you pay for it with your own cash.
If Taking handouts is bad then you presuppose a uniform cultural code consistently enforced to make up for the government's inability to discriminate in giving out handouts.
This might be mostly the case in small culturally homogeneous countries but it is not the case in most heterogeneous countries. Therefore giving handouts at other people's ex pence is bad, but taking the handout to reclaim your own share is not.
Depends on the reason and how long. If you're just to lazy to get a job then its wrong. If its temporary just till you get back on feet with a job, then its fine.
Should have nothing to do with color of skin.
It's lame. If someone is physically and mentally capable, get your ass to work! I've been working/hustling since I got kicked out by my mom and her abusive boyfriend at 16. I worked through all the covid bullshit as well, wasn't any paid time off that I heard others laxed on. Wouldn't want it and even looked into returning the stimulus payments to no avail.
Iām all for having social safety nets to help those who are experiencing temporary hardship and need a helping hand, but Iām opposed to people using it as a career track.
If it were bad Wall Street wouldnāt t also do it.
Oh and the Auto Industry.
Oh and the Bankers.
Kinda funny how when they take government money itās a ābailoutā...
... but when normal, every day people do it they are lazy moochers.
Its how American society works, Capitalism, you are only worth something when you contribute by working, if you can't work you are seen as a parasite.
Yes, but regardless what the reason is, if you can't work you are a fourth class citizen.
There are always "heartwarming" stories when a gofundme campaign, allowes a 82 year old man to finally retire, while the rest of the world is watching and wondering what country forces 80 year olds to work their ass off at walmart.
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unless you go into politics, politicians can't be old enough.
Because a lot of people abuse it and take advantage of it. I have needed it in the past and didn't qualify. Being a minority and living in certain areas will make you more likely to qualify. So it feels like the resources aren't there for everyone.
Running a welfare scam is theft. You ae stesling resources from people that really need it. There are veterans living on the street and elderly people who cannot afford their medication. Scamming the system just robs from people who need it themost.
In today's shit economy, if you need the money to get by, there's nothing wrong with taking it!! If Trump was President, I'd have probably had a job 3 years ago!!
sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to survive
can't really fault someone for taking advantage of the system though
Yes, because they're the reason why working people are doing so poorly, they're funding lazy people who refuse to work
Sometimes and in some instances. Not always.
You're aware that the taxes I pay are from the money I've earned, right?
Right, then I read your dumb rhetorical question "How does someone using assistance affect you personally? " so I'm not sure you understand how it works.
I wouldn't say 'no control'. The issue most people have is that they have to work and may struggle financially and there are people on the public dole not working. I don't know why you have a hard time grasping this concept.
I understand that. I'd like to work a job where I don't have to work very hard, also.
So you knew all the answers to your questions.
What handouts? Americans pay taxes to support the Welfare system.
Yes, I'm eligible for disability but as my business keeps me in a decent stand of living I'll stick with that until I just can't do it anymore
id say take as many as you can
Itās bad because it ties you to the government
when you are born you are immediately tied to the government. just saying. get a license, passport, job, vote, etc, etc, etc, you are tied to the government
i'm a minority. the government and democrats has never told me that. please show me where a democrat said minorities or black people can't make it on their own because last i checked social welfare is available to ALL americans
dude you know the democratic party of 1850 is not at all the modern democratic party right? like you are aware of that right?
@madhatters4 I think they know this and just hope people don't understand. The slave owners were Democrats back then. The same people would be Republicans today. They can hide behind the fact that racist southern slaveowners were called Democrats back then is a technically true but they know it's still highly misleading to say it.
The parties were NEVER switched. Please read up on politics and history
@Brittanyroseee really? Tell that to Californians and New Yorkers
The parties 100% switched. The south voted Democrat for the entirety of their existence, until the values of the parties changed with civil rights. 50 million people in the south didn't suddenly change from Democrat to Republicans immediately because they ALL completely changed their beliefs.
@Bradboy parties never switched. Read history, stop listening to democratic parties
The fact that you fail to present facts makes it obvious you've got no clue. Blaming things on liberal bs because you have no argument is an evasion. The entire south did not change their political philosophy all of a sudden. The members of congress who were there in the 50's and 60's switching their parties all of a sudden makes it clear as day. YOU need to do research. If you had, you'd be able to have an intelligent discussion instead of just trying to distract everything by ranting about 'liberal bs'. It's not in dispute to anyone, regardless of their current political leanings.
we all need a boost in these times
only for the left, according to the right
No, not if they are in need
It depends.
not bad
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