If the Palestinians wanted peace there would have been peace decades ago. Why do they keep attacking Israel and claiming they want Peace?

[RingOfFire]

Israel has repeatedly offered extremely generous peace deals over and over again. They ONLY demand they had in these agreements was that the Palestinians would have to recognize Israel's right to exist. BUT THEY REFUSED TO AGREE TO THAT REQUIREMENT EVERY TIME.

They clearly don't want peace. They want the destruction of Israel and will settle for nothing less.

There is a reason no other countries are willing to take in Palestinians. All of the other Arab Muslim countries have turned them down. It's because they destroy every country they enter. They are taught in their schools from childhood how to commit acts of terrorism. It is Gaza's biggest export.

This pretty much sums it up...

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A fly falls into a cup of coffee from former Hungary Ambassador David Cornstein:

The Italian breaks the cup, throws it out, walks off angrily. The German sterilizes the cup, makes fresh coffee. The Frenchman removes the fly, drinks the coffee. The Chinese eats the fly, throws out the coffee. The Russian drinks the coffee with the fly since there was no extra charge. The Israeli sells the coffee to the Frenchman, the fly to the Chinese, the cup to the Italian, then invents a device to prevent flies from falling into the coffee. The Palestinian blames the Israeli for the fly, protests such aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union to buy more coffee, uses the money to buy explosives, then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, Frenchman, Chinese, German and Russian are all trying to tell the Israeli to give his cup of coffee to the Palestinian so there will be peace.

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Jews lived in Palestine for a thousand years before Islam even existed.

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5 mo

The Palestinians of Gaza ELECTED Hamas, a designated terrorist organization whose written charter calls for the genocide of the Jewish people and the elimination of Israel, to represent and govern them in Gaza in a landslide election.

"Elections have consequences." -B. Hussein Obama

[jgibsonian1986]

Because the Qu'Ran defines peace as submission to the will of Allah through his divine and eternal law, sharia, and the extension of the Dar al-Islam — or 'House of Islam' — to cover the entire world.
Islam has been the "Religion of Peace" under those pretenses since the Qu'Ran was written, Ill put proof below:
The Al-Baqarah the second chapter of the Qu'ran, longest Surah of the collection, and seen as the most comprehensive text outlining Islamic practices and beliefs was written by Muhammad in 610AD as the Islamic state was being formed. In verse 191 of Surah 2 the verse reads "Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers."
This instruction was given at the very beginning of the religion Islam, there was no land or holy place sacred to them that they were driven out of as a people beforehand. This verse was written as a pretensive green light to escalate conflict until you either win for Allah by killing them or get them to submit as a slave to Allah for persecuting his people.

[lightbulb27]

they want the "peace" of the Jews being gone from their space, or dead not peace with them. they tolerate some, but not in power.

It's not possible to have peaceful coexistence with them until the underlying and original offenses are resolved... which it seems they won't be unless they all convert to Christianity, for it is the original curse "the knowledge of good and evil"... driving all of this, and the offenses of Abram and Sarah.

Their peace is thus being martyred, death, which is what many seek.

"The wages of sin... is death".

And it might be ours, for spite and hatred have no clear direction...

[strateguy632]

they mean they want peace... AFTER victory against jews and non muslims and shia muslims. hammas is not a two state solution. only caliphate no israel.

[Soteris]

Palestine is under occupation, "wanting peace" is just another word for surrendering which is not something commonly agreed upon in the middle east aside from amongst outside invaders. You can go on and on about how Israel has offered "extremely generous peace deals" but that is just bullshit and not representative of the fact that Israel is the aggressor in this conflict.

[RingOfFire]

First of all "Palestine" is not a country. I assume you are talking about Gaza. There wasn't a single Israeli in Gaza prior to Gaza's surprise terrorist attack on Israel on October 7. So how is that an "occupation?" It would be the first occupation in history where no occupiers were occupying the place that is allegedly occupied.

[Soteris]

No. Palestine is the country and Gaza can both be referred to the geographic region such as the Gaza strip or the City of Gaza. I will not be lectured by idiots thank you very much.

And yes, they have been under occupation which is internationally recognized by everyone such as the United Nations Security Council: web.archive.org/.../ba123cded3ea84a5852560e50077c2dc

Kindly sit back down and shut the fuck up.

[RingOfFire]

Palestine is not and never was a country. Your engaging in fantasy.

[Soteris]

en.wikipedia.org/.../Palestinian_Ambassador_to_the_United_Nations

Here is the Palestinian representative to the UN. They are internationally recognized by 138 different countries as being a separate and independent country.

[RingOfFire]

Last time I will say it since you cannot seem to grasp reality. There is not now, nor has there ever been a country named Palestine. It was the name of a very sparsely populated region of barren desert where people of various religions including Jews and Muslims lived that was mostly travelled by nomadic people going from one place to another. The Jews who lived there were also "Palestinians" because they lived in the desert region named Palestine.

If you cannot accept facts there is nothing else to say.

[Soteris]

*facepalms*
First of all, to become a country the only requirement you have is to be recognized by other countries AS a country. Because literally 73% of the UN recognizes Palestine as a country, its a fucking country by definition. I dont care if you are butthurt about that or not, you are not a country so you dont get a say in the matter.

Secondly, it has its own government complete with:
President: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Abbas
Speaker of Parliament: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aziz_Dweik
Executive Government Body: en.wikipedia.org/.../Executive_Committee_of_the_Palestine_Liberation_Organization

They perform government actions such as taxation:
en.wikipedia.org/.../Taxation_in_the_State_of_Palestine

Military:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Army

Internationally recognized borders:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_Israel

Flag:


They are a country by every metric you can think of unless you got your head stuck up your ass.

[RingOfFire]

You'd think that you would at least research basic history and geography before going into a drug induced hallucinatory rant.

"Strategically situated between three continents, THE ***REGION*** of Palestine (also known as the Land of Israel and the Holy Land) has a tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity, and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Ancient Israel and Judah, the Persian Empire, Alexander the Great and his successors, the Hasmoneans, the Roman Empire, several Muslim caliphates, and the crusaders."

en.wikipedia.org/.../History_of_Palestine

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What is the official language of Palestine?

Answer: They don't have an official language because Palestine was never a country.

What is the official currency of Palestine?

Answer: They don't have an official currency because Palestine was never a country.

What kind of government does Palestine have?

Answer: They don't have any government because Palestine was never a country.

Who are the leaders of Palestine?

Answer: They don't have any leaders because Palestine was never a country.

Catching on yet?

If you refuse to accept facts you cannot engage in a rational conversation so talking to you is a waste of my time.

[RingOfFire]

Jews lived in Palestine for a thousand years before Islam even existed.

[Soteris]

That is literally not an argument. You can't call dibs.

[RingOfFire]

The hell it isn't. The first inhabitants of Palestine were JEWS. It was THEIR land until it was stolen from them. Muslims didn't come along for a thousand years.

[Soteris]

The first inhabitants of Palestine were fucking stoneage people. Also, would you be supportive of giving back USA to the Native Americans?

[RingOfFire]

America already belongs to Native Americans. I am one of them.

Chinese people were here before the Indians.

There are no Stoneage people living so there is no one to give it back to. The oldest remaining inhabitants of the region called Palestine are Jews. Their land was stolen.

[RingOfFire]

And by the way not only were Jews the first people to inhabit Palestine but they have CONTINUOUSLY inhabited Palestine ever since.

[RingOfFire]

There is no group of people that exists that has a stronger claim to the region of Palestine than the Jewish people.

[Soteris]

First of all, no the Chinese people were not there first. In fact, its HIGHLY debated if they were even there at all. The first people who came to the North American continent walked across the northern ice glacier during the ice age. They are the people who are native to those lands and their countries were destroyed by the Colonists to make way for USA.

That means that while yes, there are Native Americans living in USA that, by your own logic, does not make USA a Native American country and to quote you:
"And by the way not only were (Native Americans) the first people to inhabit (North America) but they have CONTINUOUSLY inhabited (North America) ever since.

Your arguments are stupid and literally does not matter since national claims only matter if they are internationally recognized, like Palestine is. Otherwise the Egyptians have a much older claim on Jerusalem than the Jews have since they BY FUCKING FAR predates them and has been in control over that area as well as had people of Egyptian decent living in the area since literally forever.

[RingOfFire]

To quote your braindead leader: Come on man!

Keep up with the science! Jeez what are you living in the 1920s?

The first inhabitants were Siberian and Chinese.

"Some of the first humans in the Americas came from China, study finds"

www.theguardian.com/.../prehistoric-migrations-china-americas

[Soteris]

The first migrations to North America came 16000-25000 years ago through by walking over the ice age glacier in the north (yes from Siberia). Of course there would be plenty of back and forth travel between Asia and North America at the time since they were literally land-locked during the entire ice age.

What I am talking about however is the very shackey claim by China that they sent explorers in 1421 to discover North America before Columbus (but the Vikings still beat both) which is a claim that simply appears to be an attempt of the Chinese government to steal the credit using fraudulent claims.

Also if you want to start claiming that the people who migrated during the ice age were "Chinese" or whatever then we might just drop all pretenses and say that everyone is African because that is where Humanity first originated which means Africa has claims on everything forever.

All your arguments are really really stupid. This is not how national claims works AT FUCKING ALL. The only thing that matters when it comes to national claims is if other countries cares about your claim or not, not how "legitimate" it is. There is no higher authority in the world which will arbitrate and decide whos claim is valid or not, that is not a thing. The validity of national claims comes from a consensus of other countries, which I must remind you, Palestine is recognized by 73% of UN which makes their claim pretty fucking valid.

[RingOfFire]

Okay then by your method everyone would be kicked out of America including the Indians and it would be given back to the Siberians. That's your plan?

Fuck the UN (United Nazis). They are a mouthpiece for Communist China and Terrorist Iran. I couldn't care less what fantasies they plant in the heads of anti-Semites like you.

[Soteris]

My plan is to do what we already do and have claims be backed up by the soft and hard power of governments around the world. Like for example how most of the countries in the world has not recognized Russias supposed annexation of Crimea and the other occupied territories in Ukraine. Russia simply has not been able to convince anyone of import that their claims are justified and because of that they are worthless.

Also the UN is a simple extension to say "every country in the world". If there is a consensus in the UN then there is a consensus in the world. Which is why Palestine is objectively a country and there is nothing you can say or do about it.

[strateguy632]

to ring i agree with you, but rephrase palestine was never a GOVERNMENT in the jordan river region. dont let his personal attacks sway, don't shut up. he can say his lies but we can expose them.

[Soteris]

@strateguy632 Waste of time replying here. As I have said multiple times, countries are based on the recognition of other countries and claims (such as Jews claiming Jerusalem because that is their ancestral lands) is also based on the acceptance of other countries. This status quo is maintained by the soft and hard diplomatic power of these countries, nothing less and nothing more.

And as I have pointed out repeatedly so far, Palestine is internationally recognized and has internationally recognized borders in the Gaza strip and in the rest of Palestine. This has been agreed upon by the VAST majority of countries around the world and is as such an indisputable fact.

Trying to argue against this at this point is like trying to argue against the rising of the sun. You will not have any impact on it and it just makes you look like a crazy person.

[Soteris]

@RingOfFire *Update* I am glad you finally acknowledge that Palestine is a thing since you admitted to them having elections. Good on you for improving.

[RingOfFire]

There is not now, nor has there ever been a country named Palestine. That is what I said and it is correct.

[RingOfFire]

I will now add to that that Gaza is also not a country.

[Soteris]

Yet they had elections according to you and also around 73% of every country on earth agrees with me that Palestine is a country and that their territory includes the Gaza strip. Sucks to suck I guess.

[Avicenna]

Hamas and other obvious terror groups have made it clear they do not want peace (the Palestinian Authority doesn't either).

[exitseven]

The middle east had been a Hotspot for thousands of years itvis baked into their DNA. They will always be at war until somebody with nuke puts an end to it for good

[RingOfFire]

Israelis have never started a war. All of their fighting has been defending attacks by their neighbors.

[Rangers]

Because they think they'll have huge success, but when the IDF quickly pushes them back, they pull out their nonsensical requests for peace, so the IDF doesn't pursue and crush them

[PoodleBlaster]

It's profitable for there to be conflict in that region, and conveniently, the money keeps on rolling in so long as the fight continues... people on both sides, at the top mainly will be making a tidy profit by ensuring people at ground level are constantly fighting... not just in the Israel/Palestine conflict, in a lot of places the world over

[KostasKouvalis]

They're idea of peace is to kick all the Jews and Christians out of the region, and basically anyone else who isn't a Sunni

[PrincessBunBuns]

Boy, stfu. Israel has been attacking Palestine for decades and when Palestinians fight back, suddenly it’s “Why is Palestine attacking Israel :(“ Take a fucking guess.

[RingOfFire]

Total bullshit.

[strateguy632]

to princess that is called disinformation. palestinian invaded israel and abducted hostages not only men but women and children.
held jew hostage in prison over a month. but you can side with RECOGNIZED terrorists.
since 2006 hammas was designated terrorist by European union. but you can be on terrorist side.
since 1992 west designated hezbolla terrost. but if you want then promote terrorism

[DextroShade]

That is actually a very good analogy.

[Fuentes]

Both sides are deluded lol

[RingOfFire]

How are the Israelis deluded? All they ask for is not to be attacked and to live in peace. They have never started a war.

https://youtu.be/tN1MkAGuVyY

[Fuentes]

Palestinians are weird af for fighting Isreal over a religion but Isreal also hates them because their Muslim. Yeah Hanas attacked first but we live in a western society in 2023 we proved all religions can come together and live together. They're living in the stone age and still going back and fourth over it. It's plain deluded on both ends

[RingOfFire]

So if your country is attacked and it defends itself it is as bad as the country that attacks it?

[Fuentes]

Nah I said Isreal was attacked first but this isn't a first time thing this has been on going on and off for years over a RELIGION lol they're both deluded

[RingOfFire]

For Israel it doesn't have a thing to do with religion. 20% of their country are Muslims and the Muslim population there has doubled over the past two decades from one million to two million. Contrast that with Gaza where the Jewish population is ZERO after Israel forced their own Jewish citizens in Gaza to move out and give their land to the Palestinians in 2005. No Jews are allowed into Gaza as is also the case with most of the other Arab Muslim countries in the Middle East.

But no point debating with someone whose logic is clearly flawed but who fails to accept it. There is no comparison. One side is the evil aggressor perpetrating terrorism and the other the innocent victim trying to defend itself yet you insist they are both "deluded." I hope someday if you find yourself in Israel's position you will see the error of your logic.

[Fuentes]

Yeah this time Isreal was attacked they have monthly and random shootings where Isreal does some abusive stuff or murders Palestinians all the time lol it's back and fourth with them they're like crips and bloods & gangs everywhere lol neither side is correct and both sides is delusional. I can pull. many news articles where Isreal has done some fuck shit and murdered many randomly, and the same for the other side and all. thay fighting because of what? Religion hahahhaa that's ridiculous. They're both outdated countries who need to get with the times. Only this time we're they attacked in a real way the fight between them as gone on for centuries now, not gonna sit here and pretend this recent terror attack was just so random lol that whole reigon should be nuked. The middle east is the biggest problem to ever exist.

[strateguy632]

by we you mean u. s. ? that muslims destroyed towers with its workers? or netherland where cartoon had a peaceful muslim response? or france security problems. or British recent news about Islam terrorism alert which western "all live together"?

[Mr-take-yo-girl]

They want their land back

[RingOfFire]

So they want to steal Israel from the legal owners?

[Mr-take-yo-girl]

From the illegal owners bro they are illegally there

[RingOfFire]

You know nothing about history. You should learn it before you make a fool out of yourself like this.

[Mr-take-yo-girl]

They had their land taken away

[RingOfFire]

They did not. That is false. Don't get your news from TikTok. Don't you think you should do some research before making a statement like that. Israel is the 100% legitimate owner of the land it is on sanctioned by the League of Nations and legally acquired (not to mention that Jews have inhabited that land continuously for thousands of years). All Muslims who lived in Israel were welcomed and ENCOURAGED to stay and many of them did. 20% of the population of Israel is made up mostly of Muslims who stayed there. The ones who left hated Jews and didn't want to stay. No one stole anything from them. Here is one of the Palestinians whose family stayed in Israel as a large number of them did. They have a much better life in Israel than they would have had in any other country in the Middle East. They are 100% citizens who have every single right that every other Israeli citizens have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-5xxZJxmA

[Mr-take-yo-girl]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRv2mecR/

[Mr-take-yo-girl]

I got my facts straight

[RingOfFire]

Nope. You did not. Yes there was an area where both Jews and Muslims lived called "Palestine" (it was never a country, just an area of baren dessert where most of the people were nomadic. Both Jews and Muslims were Palestinians because both lived there. The Muslims stole that name as if it is theirs to use as a propaganda tool to make it sound like Jews didn't live there too. Starting in the 1800s Jews BOUGHT the land from Muslim land owners in Palestine and in Egypt who owned some of it. Then the country of Israel was officially and 100% legally sanctioned by the forerunner of the United Nations which was called the League of Nations and became a recognized country by 100% legal means. No one stole anything from anyone except that immediately after Israel was sanctioned by the rest of the world they were attacked by the Arab countries all around them.

Don't take my word for it, don't take some ding dong on TikTok's word for it, if you care about the truth research it yourself. Look up the history from a reliable source. If you aren't willing to do that I have nothing further to say.

[Anonymous]

coffee?

[RingOfFire]

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