Is preserving your cultural identity more important than saving migrant lives?

[OddBeMe]

Yes, our culture is more important that people’s lives

Nothing is more important than human life

Other

[wolfcat87]

I think a lot of people who are so afraid of immigrants and who are so anti-immigrant don't even really know any immigrants. If they sat down with them, had a home cooked meal with them, observed how hard they work, listened to their hopes, dreams, aspirations, then they would welcome them with open arms.

Anyone willing to work hard, follow the law, and pay taxes should be welcome. Anyone breaking the law should be finger printed and banned. Simple.

[OddBeMe]

Totally agree.

And part of me also thinks if you’re really competing for the same job as an illegal immigrant, America might be better off without you. Lol

[wolfcat87]

Agreed

[Anonymous]

If your culture is more important than human life, its not a culture worth preserving!

[gorydetails]

how many migrants have you personally helped?

[OddBeMe]

@gorydetails why are you so concerned with destroying migrant lives?

[gorydetails]

@OddBeMe why do you expect other people to carry out the work you feel is morally correct? And you’re the one who supports the human trafficking system that results in rapes, child sex trafficking, exploitation, and deaths in shipping containers. So shut the fuck up

[Opinion Owner]

I dont expect you to carry out morally correct work. I feel you might gun them down. I mean you feel your culture is worth more than human life so that might hapend. No quite specifically not, The death and trafficking is a result of trying to make entrance harder. The harder it is to get somewhere the more risk people are willing to take. If you think helping migrants is resulting in that you are just naive.

[gorydetails]

So how many are you taking in your home?

[Opinion Owner]

Non, but if you think this is the only way you can help people then I say you are hugely misinformed. There is a huge difference between making it harder for them and personally taking on in your home. These are close to opposites.
The biggest help would be to not stop helpers. To break barriers that prevent help. This is helping many more than just taking one of thousands into your home.

The only thing you seem to have done is trying to shut up helpers, and bringing weird questions to which the answer is saying nothing. If you really want an answer to your first question I sadly have to say, countless but I don't know numbers.
I mainly helped the helpers to be able to do their jobs. I have helped organize language courses, I have brought facts into a hatefull debate with right wingers.

I have done something. Yes I do think I have done the morally correct thing! Not trying to stop those helpers is what I expect from the majority. Not more and not less.

[gorydetails]

Not HaTeFuL DeBAtE? OMG those evil right wingers who want their country’s border secure. Dope.

[Opinion Owner]

False security vs. Countless other lives!
Yes that actually does sound evil.

[Opinion Owner]

Now that your arguments are done the insults start. That is a perfect example why your culture is not worth preserving.

[gorydetails]

lmao sorry your fee fees got hurt. I've got plenty of arguments. Supporting illegal immigration is supporting human trafficking, exploitation, rape, and murder. It's a wholly immoral position to take. You and your little pal want to do nothing yourselves to house and clothe and financially support these migrants, you just expect others to do so and then pretend you're virtuous.

[Opinion Owner]

You on the other hand support gunning down immigrants because they look different.
Well thats Maybe not true but you are not the only one that can just call random unsupported claims to make myself sound better.
If you think giving them money is the only thing that helps you are again hugely misinformed. So I base your arguments on someone who has no idea what he is talking about. Someone who is also not worth arguing with.

[gorydetails]

So are illegal immigrants raped by their mules? yes or no?

[Opinion Owner]

That can happen. It is even more the harder it is to get into a country. If the borders are open there is no need for mules. People are willing to take more risks the lower their chance of success is without these risks. So basically you are supporting rape if that is your argument.

[gorydetails]

You are supporting rape. You are supporting illegal immigration.

[Opinion Owner]

You have no idea what you are talking about. I am sure its actually you that supports that, because of reasons I mentioned earlier. Do you have any reasons besides insults and randomly calling out wrong things.

[gorydetails]

You've said time and time again, you're ok with the illegal migrant crossings. These aren't my positions.

[Opinion Owner]

What I am saying is to not make these crossings illegal and stop them in a different way. The things that happen atm are because of crossings made hard and risks being taken in the first place because of this. You are not stopping these illegal crossings by making them more illegal.

[gorydetails]

But they are illegal. A sovereign country has the right to secure borders.

[Opinion Owner]

A sovereign secure country also has the options to help others or to define immigrants as illegal or legal however they like.

[gorydetails]

Yeah, which is what we're doing. If you come through the proper channels you're a legal immigrant. IF you don't, you're an illegal immigrant. I thought this was common knowledge.

[wolfcat87]

Agreed

[madhatters4]

my cultural identity is not threatened by the presence of migrants. our country is a melting pot of cultures. cultures can blend, cultures can exist while another culture also exists.

[msc545]

The only reason that the conservatives oppose immigrants and are so biased against them is because Trump told them that they should be and made it an issue. Under other circumstances, without Trump's input, they would be more than glad to have illegal immigrants around because then they could hire them and pay them illegally low wages or none at all for their labor. If nothing else, we know the conservatives are all about exploiting people economically and illegal immigrants are ideal for this because they can't really defend themselves.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I think that might be a touch disingenuous. I don't actually know any conservatives who oppose legal immigration. Well outside of businesses exploiting their ability to pay them lower wages, but I know liberal business owners doing that as well so that's not really reflective either. Of the conservatives I know who oppose illegal immigration, they don't share much of a cultural identity. In addition to vastly different regional identities based on this being a diverse country, I'm talking about black people, brown people, Asian people and white people. Those 4 groups opposing illegal immigration don't really have a shared cultural identity they are trying to preserve, and they're just as opposed to it when it's people of their color as they are when it's people of a different color. I know a crap ton of dominicans that would line the border themselves and keep people from coming over illegally. A surprising number of them said they flipped sides and voted for trump as the first non-democrat they ever voted for particularly because of his stance on immigration. My Iraqi-american friends are the same way. "They did it right, they followed the rules, they were patient and they waited" (or their family did before them in case where they are second generation) and they don't appreciate others skipping the line.

Incidentally, the largest tobacco farms I ever went to were run by some dyed-in-the-wool blue families and they had no issue exploiting illegal immigrants either.

[FreyaRed]

Save, give them medial treatment if necessary, then deport them if they are not useful for host societies.
No culture will be harmed and no lives will be lost. The bitter truth is, everyone wants their society helps immigrants but no one wants to live with them around.

[OddBeMe]

Can we deport useless citizens?

[FreyaRed]

I'm sure you would be the first one who starts to cry if your govt. starts to deport useless citizens.

[OddBeMe]

I’m just amazed at how some people can lay down non citizens lives but if we happened to be born here we’re entitled.

Simply sadistic.

[Sevenpointfive]

you have no right to take someone or something else's life. it doesn't matter what or where that life comes from! how you identify that life is controversial. but if that life is begging to not be killed and you kill it to eat, then you are a monster.

[Juxtapose]

Dude, we literally kill pigs, cows and whatnot all the time to survive. If it came down to it, you would kill me to survive as well.

[exitseven]

democrats make this about humanitarianism. It is really about votes. They are losing the black and hispanic vote and need to import more poverty and sign them up for welfare and have another permanent underclass that will always vote for democrats.

The border should be secured and mass deportations need to be started. No citizenship for babies being born from illegal aliens must be implemented as well.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

I don't care to protect a culture that doesn't value humanity.

[CaptainSmartass]

Well, its not that. More like there's an unstoppable hoard of illegals crossing the channel in small dinghies. The government's plan to send them to Rwanda got torpedoed by the Supreme Court today. Stupid activists won this round.

Simples...

[OddBeMe]

So just put to logically map this out…if we were to allow the million a year to enter, they add onto the workforce and make America stronger.

So YOU are worried about skin color. Right?

[_piotr]

No. They take away jobs of local people and use all socially funded stuff that native citizens have to pay for. They bring foreign culture and religion. It is about them not being a "native species" to the land they invade by millions, multiply and cause displacement of real native dwellers. Europeans did it to native Americans, but at least they took mostly wild land and built their country from scratch. Modern day immigrants steal the whole countries with infrastructures.

[OddBeMe]

@_piotr if you or any other citizen is competing with illegal immigrants for jobs you deserve to be kicked out for worthlessness.

Illegals have had no chance to move up the social ladder. Americans have had their WHOLE LIVES.

[_piotr]

I do not agree. Country is like my home. I do not want intrusers in my house. How would you feel if I would forcefully introduce to your house 5 random people? Soon they will take more and more rooms, start introducing their rules and finally kick you out of your own house.

[OddBeMe]

@_piotr it’s weird that citizens have more right just by being born here than what they can actually do for their society.

If we had culture of “producers” half of our citizens would be deported. And most of those starving at the border would be let in.

[_piotr]

"it’s weird that citizens have more right just by being born here"
NO, IT IS NOT! IT IS OBVIOUS! It is their home. The country is their fatherland. It is USA duty to protect them. They should not be deported.

If you want to help, do charity work, gather money, start a foundation, join charity. Go to the border and do a noble thing of helping these people.

"Justice and social justice are as similar to each other like a comfy armchair to an electric chair."

[Hungryghostwriter]

Your infighting is hilarious. This mass migration to the west, both legal and illegal, is a direct result of western imperialism. If you want it to stop or slow down, tell your governments to stop destabilising the rest of the world under the guise of protecting democracy.

[_piotr]

My religion, culture and civilisation are very important to me. Migrants can go to countries with similar values. The real reason they migrate is to colonise my home my ancestors died for and steal wealth me and my ancestors produced.

[_piotr]

Today's migration is no ordinary "migration". We are talking here about millions of migrants that are invading Europe mainly because of exaggerated social distribution and multiplying rapidly in order to displace original dwellers.

[OddBeMe]

Why are they “invading”? No one packs up and tries to go to another country on a whim.

[_piotr]

Yes. They are. Some even pay great money to be illegally smuggled into Europe. Because they want money and better life elsewhere than to work and improve their country.. West civilisation is spoiled by rampant socialism. Eropen Union, wokeness, feminism it almost killed Europe and migrants want to prey on it like vultures. They also want islamisation and destruction of European values since it is not compatible with their worldview.

Read online:
1) "An imam at Jerusalem's al-Aqsa Mosque last week called on Muslim migrants to Europe to produce children in order to conquer the continent"
2) "72% of French Muslims want Sharia law".
3) "A translator at German refugee camps has revealed Muslim migrants are showing 'pure hatred' toward Christians".
4) "If they were truly 'fleeing war and hunger' you'd see women, babies, children and old people."

Each normal civilisation strives to greatness. Because western is being destroyed from within and thus is very weak, other ones are taking advantage of it.

[OddBeMe]

Oh no you said it. They want a better life. I don’t see any more to ask.

[_piotr]

Yes, but they should work to improve their country. I do not rob bank, because I want a better, wealthier life. People should follow some moral standards. Nor I do impose my culture and religion to others.

Native Americans also had trouble with white immigrants, who searched for a better life. Look what happened to them.

[_piotr]

Also note that being poor does not absolve you from being immoral. Getting a better life at someone's expanse is wrong.

[_piotr]

Also, in your answer you ignored completely numbered points I wrote. Please read them.

[OddBeMe]

Have you remotely studied their countries? You realize it’s American greed that’s keeping Mexico, Venezuela, Haiti etc in the third world.

https://youtu.be/CgdgvoKqTYo

[_piotr]

You do not have right to invalidate country history. Ancestors work hard and fought for fatherland. If other countries are less rich, that is sad, but it is not a reason to force other to help. Other countries can help, but forcing it is wrong.

[OddBeMe]

You don’t have a right to value that over other human lives.

[OddBeMe]

by the way, that might be the most Nazi-esk statement posted here. And that says something.

[_piotr]

So why are you still using a computer and seat and sleep in your house/flat, and keep writing this? Forfeit what you worked and got from your ancestors, give all you have to illegal migrants and go begging for food on the streets and sleep in cardboard box with your family. While illegal migrants will live comfortably in your house and probably soon change official language in your country, introduce sharia law and possibly do crime or something.
Their life is not endangered, they want a better life on the expense of others. And I have every right to reject that for illegal suspected people that want an easy life. My civilisation is for what many my ancestors died. But their lives does not matter to you, because they were not migrants. You are just obsessed with migrants and you do not not respect my culture, history and lives of people that died for it.

And do not compare it to Nazis, who tortured hundreds of thousands innocent people in concentration camps, produced soap from human fat, pillows from human hair, and lamp shades from human skin during World War II.

[OddBeMe]

One…I got nothing from my ancestors but birthing me. I paid my for college, my cars house and my business.

If you got some inherited money then please praise your ancestors for keeping you fed.

[_piotr]

I was talking about country independence, customs, language, religion, architecture, music, art... not material things. If they left you nothing, then it is sad. Maybe that is why you have such disdain for your ancestors and are so eager to invite millions of illegal migrants. This is your revenge...

[_piotr]

And I am not talking about immediate ancestors. I am talking about all people that fought and sacrificed their lives for my country during history. About those who fought against Teutons in middle ages, those who fought when Sweden invaded my Country, those who died in Poland's partitions period, who fought for independence, for my language. Those who fought with Soviet Russia, who fought in WWI and WWII. Who fought with nazis and where tortured by them, who fought with communism to gain freedom. Poets, painters, composers, inventors who work hard to adorn my country with glory. People, who risked their money to build economy and improve industry. Martyrs who died for speeding Catholic faiths.

I am NOT going to let illegal/criminal immigrants to destroy this because of their laziness and pursuit for easy life at someone's else expense!.

[OddBeMe]

Ancestors have nothing to do with our current country. Your ultra nationalism and worship of slave owners who just happened to be our ancestors is very disturbing,

Just imagine you were starving at the southern border because every country you walked through was overrun by drug cartels and sex traffickers feeding America’s sick demands.

[_piotr]

If you want to help, organise money, start a foundation or go to the border and help them. Helping the illegal migrants behind borders is a very noble did. Do it, instead forcing illegal strangers on your own country's citizens.

My ancestors were not slave owners. I am not from USA and never been there. My country (Poland) did not had any colonies. And I am mostly talking here about waves of islamic migrants in Europe not on USA southern borders. But the point is still relevant.

[OddBeMe]

I guarantee you have ancestors who were slave owners or colonialists.

And I would rather exchange citizens like you for illegal migrants at the border. At least they’d work for a living.

[_piotr]

Almost everyone have a few ancestors which were evil - robbers, murderers, etc... Slavery was natural in state in the past and practiced on most continents, by most countries. The same with wars for territory.

I doubt my direct ancestors were slave owners or colonists, given my country history. But I do not now whether you even know history.

Actually polish people are slavs, and "slavs" comes from "slaves", because my ancestors were often captured and enslaved to Roman Empire or Ottoman Empire.

I also work for living.

I would consider exchanging you for a legal migrant, perhaps he/she would be more decent in their worldview.

As an IT specialist I earn in my country monthly 1243 USD. I do not have a USA visa. I want to be rich like your precious illegal migrants with little work. Show me your true support for illegal migrants and send me a few thousands USD and give ma a house and car in US. In exchange I guarantee to spread my language and culture, erase yours and overthrow you in future.

[_piotr]

I also recommend to read: Should homeless American vets be sleeping on the sidewalk, while illegal aliens get to stay for free in expensive hotel rooms? ↗

[OddBeMe]

1) no dumbass Slavs come from the Latin Sclaveni
2) our government still exists and sanctioned slavery. Thus it needs to own up to it.

This isn’t bitching about some bygone thousand year old vendetta. This was a domino effect of Jim crow and now horrible segregation that’s literally destroying people.

[_piotr]

1. Add personam is not an argument. So calling me a 'dumbass' will not help you.

See "slave" in Wikitionary, it is one of possible valid etymology:

Etymology. From Middle English sclave, from Old French sclave, from Medieval Latin sclāvus (“slave”), from Late Latin Sclāvus (“Slav”), because Slavs were often forced into slavery in the Middle Ages.

2) Yes it is. It is like wanting vengeance for evils of Vikings or Genghis Khan.

[OddBeMe]

Snowflake. Still ad hominem?

Etymology is interesting but it says “disputed”…but I’ll withdrawal your honor. Lol

There are no current Viking or Mongol governments are there? Yet ours sanctioned chattel slavery?

[Sparks32]

My Culture is more important to me. We are expected to take in everyone and it must be stopped.

[OddBeMe]

What are you afraid from migrants?

[DarkLegacy]

Very pleased with the opinion poll results, yes it is. But i sadly think this is largely Americans commenting, it is a pity we are not more like this in the UK.

[OddBeMe]

Because Europeans have 1000s of years of culture and know migrants don’t change that. Just maybe the amount of different skin colors on the streets. Lol

[Juxtapose]

America is not responsible for the rest of the world and has no obligation to assist foreigners, period.

[OddBeMe]

Even tho we were once foreigners? And if you’re rich like Trump you can bring Melania’s whole family in.

[CaptainSmartass]

You ARE foreigners. Foreign means "not British". Therefore, you're either British or foreign.

[Juxtapose]

@CaptainSmartass no, I just looked it up and that is not the only definition in the dictionary.

[Juxtapose]

I have never been a foreigner and neither have my parents or my grandparents. My great-grandparents came in legally and contributed towards society.

[OddBeMe]

@CaptainSmartass Didn’t know you were so anti American, we have a British saboteur in our midst.

[Snakeyes7]

If they really wanted their lives saved, they could have gone in the legal way which was always an option for them.

[OddBeMe]

Repubs have made it damn near impossible for poor people to go through the legal way.

If your family was starving at the border you’d illegally cross.

[Snakeyes7]

I agree that the regular immigration process is obnoxious but why not advocate for that to be changed instead of completely ignoring the fact that we have a southern border?

[OddBeMe]

Oh I advocate for both.

Meanwhile people are actually dying on the southern border. Starving or kidnapped by sex traffickers. So they don’t have time to wait. And if your families were swapped, you’d illegally enter the US to survive.

[Snakeyes7]

We are just letting those sex traffickers in because we can't check those who illegally cross the border.

[Juxtapose]

Letting people in without vetting them is grossly irresponsible and is directly contributing towards sex trafficking. Odd, you really have no idea how bad and how prevalent sex trafficking is do you?

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose I think we can vet and save starving families at the same time. Hell they’d allow us to tag them with a gps if we wanted.

[OddBeMe]

@Snakeyes7 By seeing all illegals as the same, you make it easier for sex traffickers to enter.

[Juxtapose]

Then they can come in legally like my great-grandparents did.

[Snakeyes7]

@OddBeMe That is rich coming from the guy arguing that the border should have no security whatsoever. If I really saw all people who want to take up residence in the US the same, I would have just shut down immigration entirely but according to you, there is no middle ground. Either open the border with no security or completely seal the border shut.

[Pohjolan]

We don't have a responsibility to be the welfare providers for the rest of the world.