I see a lot of men complaining about the amount men typically have to pay for child support. So, what do you think is a fair amount to have to pay?
500 a month, maybe 1,000 per kid.
I mean usually the child will be at the house of the payer about 1/4 of the time at least. They are paying 100% of everything going on at their own place. The other parent may house them 3/4 or less of the time. I mean, 1,000 is more than enough to pay for some food for the kid for 3 weeks. New clothes? What, kids grow, new clothes are bought 2 to 3 times in a year.
How much you make shouldn't really factor into it in the way rich people suddenly must pay 10,000 a month. Why? They just need to be cared for, basic needs met. They don't need to live like royalty.
Kanye West has to pay $200,000 a MONTH!!! What the holy hell? You can buy a house for that! In one year that is 2.4 MILLION DOLLARS!!! You could invest that at age 4 and by the time the kid is 40/50 they'll be multi-millionaire.
Kevin Costner's is 63,000 a month!!! That is unjust. Those kids are being ordered by a corrupt judge to be funded as if they are royalty. Kings and Queens.
Actually I don't believe in child support. I believe the law should be automatic 50/50 custody. I pay for everything at MY HOME and you pay everything at YOUR HOME.
u 1. In Florida, child support is based on both parents' income, the number of children, the amount of time the children spend with each parent, any costs of daycare, and the cost of health insurance for the children.
2. For those who believe that child support should be tied to actual expenses and receipts produced, how do you decide how much of the mortgage or rent is attributable to the children? How much of the grocery bill? How much of the internet?
Mortgage? Internet? That isn't child support. The home owner pays that shit. If you can't afford the mortgage then moved to a cheaper place. Child support is food, clothes, medical for the child. The adult homeowner pays the house expenses. If you can't care for the kid then the other parent should get full custody then.
@Miristheiss child support is also the child having a home to live in.
@Miristheiss not where I live. The guy pays for everything
@Miristheiss. She doesn’t need a three bedroom apartment if she doesn’t have four kids in her home. You get custody and you’ll soon be looking for a bigger place to live. Don’t you care about your kids having a safe and comfortable home?
“If you can't care for the kid then the other parent should get full custody then.” So the parent who earns more money is always the better parent?
Well if that spouse needs the ex to fund their housing then that child shouldn't be with them. The other parent should get custody.
@Miristheiss Sounds like you have had an experience that left you butthurt, but most people who aren't personally involved and who don't have an axe to grind would disagree with you.
There if a perfect and logical explanation for what you described in your update.
I'm saying that in regard to money and custody courts have a tendency to favor women such that women come out of these situations. Looking really good and men come out of these situations poor in many cases. If a man goes into court that has money he almost inevitably comes out of court with a lot less money than he had going in. Conversely, women typically go in with less money and come out with a lot more children or no children. It is this imbalance in the courts that is a major factor in men in recent years refusing to marry or even get involved seriously with women or have children. We get treated poorly and unfairly and since we are the people that make most if not all of the money we have to be careful what we do. The few women that are required to pay child support in the area where I live can look forward to not enforcement by the county where I live. The county where I live says that when all the men here have been forced to pay what they consider to be the proper and ordered amount of child support then and only then will they worry about women.
I am in Los Angeles. I lost my daughter in a Family Law court in Los Angeles and was ordered to pay her mother $2000 per month although her mother has (and still has ) a good job. My legal bills exceeded $ 200,000. I was given visitation for 2 HOURS per month in Colorado.
Needless to say, I never saw my daughter again, and I am still paying her mother.
u In my country, one child is 18% of your income, two children is 24% of your income, and three children is 27% of your income. I think that it’s fair. If you’re working full time (40 hours per week) and you’re on minimum wage, and you are paying child support for one child, then you’re only paying $653 per month. That isn’t much in comparison to the $3,632 that you’re making. Children are expensive. They certainly cost more than $653 per month.
As much as is needed to cover costs of living, schooling, hobbies, doctors, etc, cut on half?
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That part depends on a variety of factors. It’s already calculated to a percentage of income. My problem isn’t how much per say, my problem is what it’s going too, how is the woman accountable for the money (since the majority of child support goes from the man to the woman), if she is using it for herself or strictly for the child.
Does an auditor of the state come out and check to make sure the woman is using it in the way it’s supposed to be? Going strictly for the expenses for the child. Chances are she already has the house and the car, so she shouldn’t need any extra for anything. Even the food she eats should be the money she provides for herself. As the partner that she left or whatever happened, my money doesn’t go to provide for her since she got most of the larger assets to begin with, I would like a full accounting of how the money is being spent. And if not being used properly, punishment should come down to the woman just like they would get the man for not paying. It’s all about how it’s being used, is my issue.
If the child is being cared for it's being used. I don't know how you expect money to be put aside specifically for the children. The money is also majority of the time not even enough to care for the kid.
m personally, I would pay more than needed or required, and I would make absolutely sure that my children, which I'd love... never have to worry about money
I already spend enough... as an uncle, so yeah, money will never be a block (nor a problem either) for me to provide for the ones I love
@exitseven I would sell any of the assets I've secured for this kind of situation ever happening
and still provide for my children
@exitseven the word is smart
and I better be smarter after 10 years straight, working in business... lol
@exitseven I was working my ass off through the pandemia, lol... and against all odds, and I did it to provide for some in my family and the families of my coworkers...
and it paid off... we all look out for each other, no matter what... so it is not just about "me being smart or rich" it's dedication to those around you, and their dedication towards you as well
and that's what's made Texas this great
I think there should be a cap on how much a man has to pay in child support. Let's say $1500 a month or less. If it's Drake for instance, he can afford all the babymommas he can get in bed.
It would stop incentivizing gold diggers from doing predatory and stupid moves like intentionally getting pregnant with Drake or an NBA player or similar nonsense. Then the last step is to take away single mommy welfare benefits so that they can't rely on Big Daddy government to pay the bills for these "strong and independent" boss b*tches.
That's the only way to save families and society. Of course government won't, (they like us atomized and infighting) but it's nice to dream.
https://www.ranker.com/list/expensive-celebrity-child-support-payments/matthewcoleweiss
That's why it is important to develop a good sense of morals for both partners (whether you are religious or not) because if you don't instead of watching a family grow heathily together, a messy divorce and breakup is what ensues. And the worst for any family in such an instance is where the father has to pay up a huge amount & can't save up for retirement; the kids suffer from not seeing one parent or the other; the worse being mental health and stigmatisation for the whole family to go through such an ordeal. Now do you understand why there are teachings that tell you about controlling ones desires and temptations?
The problem with the system , its not based on need , its based on taxable income so it can be seen as a " money maker " ...
So in Australia , it just feels like a mandatory super tax , and the entire department sucks and are absolute arseholes , its against the PAYE taxpayer , and its greater befit to be a business owner , its a complete joke.
1 kid = 18 % of taxable income 2 kid = 27% of taxable income ( So the higher figure prior to tax ) minus the tax free threshold.
I dont know the answer , but how Australia is doing it SUCKS , I dont think there is a simple answer , but never have a kid to a man who is poor.
I had two kids and the state required me to pay $1000 a month for each child because it was based on my income. My ex-wife also got 50% of my monthly pay 20% of my retirement at the house. I made enough money, and I lived frugally enough to be able to pay everything.
i’ll pee all of that fine, but the court should’ve also ordered her to go get a job. I don’t mind supporting my kids, but it’s pretty aggravating that she bears no responsibility for generating income for the benefit of the family.
that might be some of the aggravation that you’re talking about feel I don’t mind supporting my own kids, but aggravates me is she’s never had to support them. All she had to do was spend my money and that’s what she continues to do.
when she gets $60,000 a year and the house and I’m responsible for everything and she doesn’t have to go out and find a job.
Depending on the age of the kids you could be paying more or equal in childcare than what a job would give you
I think it's amusing that all these guys are saying they would pay to support their children via child support. Not realizing that once the money is given to the woman she can do any damn thing she wants with it. This includes by yourself, clothes, drugs, supporting her boyfriend, doing all kinds of things with no accountability at all. I guess that shouldn't be surprising given that exceedingly few women are ever asked to pay child support and those that are asked to pay child support don't have to worry about it being enforced the way men do.
Fifty percent of the ACTUAL AMOUNT the child NEEDS to thrive.
That means producing receipts, not some arbitrary figure that can be used to support the parent.
Politely, if you take my child then don't expect me to pay for your lifestyle. If you wanted me to do that you shouldn't have left.
So you'd rather pay for half of the things after they've been bought?
And vice versa. Parenting should be an equal partnership.
And the operative word is "needs". I'll pay for whatever my son needs. I'm his father. That's part of it. The change comes if my wife decides she's leaving me. I'm not paying a cent to support HER. I won't begrudge a cent for my son, but I wouldn't expect her to support me if we split, why should I pay for her lifestyle?
I'll literally go hungry before I see her or my son miss a meal if we're together. I'll go hungry for his sake afterwards but I won't be supporting her. If I'm going hungry it's my child that's eating if I'm single.
I understand that, but how if your ex for example doesn't make enough to pay for everything outright is she going to pay for things and then give you receipts to pay half? And you'll only pay for things they need? Not going to help pay for extra curriculars? Sports? Activities?
Ok, invoices and/or receipts. If the school doesn't include music/sports etc as part of the general curriculum I wouldn't agree to cover that school. I was a musician and a dancer myself. A rounded education isn't exclusively academic and arts subjects are essential as a part of that, and sports as well.
The issue isn't the child's needs, it's placing the financial effort exclusively on the father - usually - to provide a lifestyle for his ex that she gives nothing in return for.
I'll break my back to give my son the best he can get, but I'd draw the line at accepting losing my home to pay for an ex to not have to work a full time job to pay rent.
Parenting needs to be equal. That means 50:50 in everything. If I'm paying half her rent she'd better be paying half mine because I won't accept less than equal custody for either of us. If she's still breathing I'll make damned sure our son knows he's got a mother and she has him equal time to me. But if she's not my wife I'd expect her to pull her weight in providing for our child. I wouldn't let him go to a school where we couldn't afford to split the fees evenly. If we're together that's how it is, so I'd expect the same if we split.
Why is 50:50 such a difficult concept?
I never requested child support while I was raising my son. When he moved in with ex when she started having more kids (decided it was better for him not to fight and have him live with her than have him stay with me with her undermining everything I did) I didn't have any problem paying child support. I want him to have the best life he can. The current system where it is factors based on a percentage of the total income of both parent's factoring in how much of that each parent makes and the total parenting time of each parent is the fairest system I can think of. That being said, it doesn't always work out fairly when one parent takes advantage of the system.
I hate these words, divorce, court and child support. I hope it never happens to me. Even if it happens, I would definitely support my kids financially. But it also depends on my earning capacity. Life would be better if we don't go through divorce and we take care of our kids together.
In India, usually the family court decides how much you have to pay to your kids and wife. If she is a working woman then she can't claim support from her husband.
Right now, the real question is, how do I make babies? With whom do I make babies? There is no girl in my life. Oh girl! My princess! Where are you? Walk into my life, fall in love with me and give birth to my babies. 😂
Don’t know an exact dollar amount. But a comfortable middle class lifestyle in the US would be around $1,200/month/child.
But we’re not talking about the elephant in the room in why we are discussing child support to begin with as if it's a foregone conclusion.
Just asking this question makes it baggage.
@Avicenna Then you tell me:
usafacts.org/.../
I thought so, too, at first. But it can very much depend on your lifestyle and how thrifty you are. $7/day for food and housing is not all the unreasonable.
Why does asking this question "make it baggage"
@Smashingdoozy "I see a lot of men complaining about the amount men typically have to pay for child support"
Is there a context you're specifically referring to if not the colloquial one of biogical spouses remitting financial support for their children to a custodial guardian?
I'm not calling children baggage. But it is negligent to not recognize they take work.
Men complain because the amount they're paying in child support is higher than what was actually spent to support the child, which creates a really tough burden. It's also often determined arbitrarily and isn't lowered if the father's financial situation changes.
Until the Bidenflation went global, my ex wasn't working at all (she now works 25 hours a week) because she got so much for four kids (including money she got from the government). What does that tell you?
How much does childcare cost?
I doubt it's almost free, it can be upwards of 20k a year per child.
Well, you can doubt all you want, but...
www.thelocal.de/.../free-for-all-how-germany-plans-to-tackle-its-childcare-problem
Where I live the judge looks at what all the household expenses were before the divorce and that is what the guy has to pay. He lives on whatever is left. I knew guys that had good paying jobs that had to move back with their parents. I knew a cop that used to sleep in rhe attic of the police station I don't know what is fair but I know that making somebody live in poverty is not fair. The wife should have to work full time and pay some of the freight
@RealMarek yes, and if you live in a McMansion in an expensive town there is no getting around that. Between the big mortgage payments and the crushing property taxes the guy ends up living in his car.
I worked in a K-12 school system as Technology Director. The Superintendent wanted me to build a new language lab and told me there was a classroom in the basement that was not being used. When I went to look at it I saw a cot set up and a steamer trunk. There was many articles of clothing hung up on a rope. It turns out there was a teacher whose wife threw him out that was living down there I used to be at work at 7AM or earlier and I always thought it strange his car was always in the parking lot. The superintendent told me to kick him out. I felt bad for doing it because I did not know if he had someplace else to go.
Have no idea.
I’d not want to have a child with a man who needs a court to tell him to support his own child.
Don't know about Child support but all I know there should be an option, either the guy raise the child himself or he pays the support money. And guess what, if a man dies do they still raise the child or not? Who gives child support then 🧐.
It's really supposed to be a family instead of treating family like a competition, it should be companionship
No, those horrible men need to give up all of their money because they were emotionally unavailable and didn't respect a woman's feelings. They should pay with every last cent. I don't care about their complaints. They are just worthless deadbeat dads.
Yess it's definitely fair since the baby mama is usually the main caregiver to the child. He's paying for her to care for that child
@Apple1996. Truthfully I have little sympathy for guys who get a girl pregnant and think that they have no responsibility.
@exitseven same
I wouldn't be dumb enough to assume any figure without actually investigating the individual child's needs and area of life etc.
Men who don't want to pay child support shouldn't be having kids to begin with.
Be caredul with that statement. Child support implies divorce. Many don't want to pay child support for offspring of other biological fathers. They want to support their biological child inside a strong relationship with their biological mother.
@love_conquers_lust child support does not imply divorce...
@Smashingdoozy Yes it can. *Child support COULD imply divorce*. Is that better?
What context are you wanting to address?
@love_conquers_lust just a weird thing to say when a lot of people have kids and don't get married
@Smashingdoozy I recognize marriage rates have dropped as well as divorce rates. This has coincided with increased rates of children born outside of marriage.
I'm addressing the "fairness" of my perspective as a single, childless, ascetic male who has worked to make sure this scenario did not present itself with any of the girls I've associated with (in fact, I believe this is what many on both sides of the political aisle praise). As I construed Anon's original statement of this thread, I would take exception to the implication that I don't deserve children because I prefer to provide the best life for future biological children which would be hindered if my spouse rationed their efforts to another child from previous relationship (s). I prefer to support my own children rather than others. I don't want to hear any moral guilting either because I don't see most single parent spouses adopting children from other relationships en masse.
Of course, this is merely another checkbox on my list. There are exceptions to every scenario such as widows. Everything is technically negotiable.
What is fair depends on many things, but a fair amount should account for changes in employment like getting laid off in economic downturns.
Half of the child’s upbringing at least. If he is married then he should divorce the wife and not the kids. If not married then don’t have kids if you don’t want to pay for them.
The same amount that also the ex-partner invests?
It depends how much kids he has my dad paid 275 for two kids each
If couples doesn't want to have any children they should've use protection otherwise he should pay for child support..
I mean the fairest thing to do would be to split all bills for the child evenly. Child’s Food shop 50%, new shoes 50% etc
Whatever the woman wants.
If they want to play they got to pay
I keep mine iny pants never had to do that
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