Texas law giving police power to arrest illegal immigrants. Agree or disagree?

[Lliam]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/texas-governor-signs-law-giving-police-power-to-arrest-illegal-immigrants-5548854?src_src=News&src_cmp=rtbreaking-2023-12-18-1&est=FkmMoH9JxyX3RdyGjX5H2toyCir4W258DFf2S%2BQbRi4dioxMHZubcXaZmK1cAzwTIg%3D%3D

Agree

Disagree

[wolfcat87]

It's a total waste of taxpayer resources. If anyone's every spoken to people who have jumped the border, sending them back does absolutely nothing. They just jump it again and again until they succeed. It's pretty impressive. I dated a guy who jumped 5-6 times before he succeeded with his group. Now he's here legally anyways and working and paying taxes. So what was accomplished? Nothing at all but wasting tax payer dollars.

But, if people want to keep making futile efforts to fight a never ending tide, then go for it. It's like when the mad roman emperor Caligula sent his army to wage war on Poseidon/Neptune. He had them stab the ocean and bring back seashells as proof of their victory. What did his foolish and mad behaviors actually gain?

[monorprise]

Laws like this actually address that precise problem @wolfcat87 They come back and try again precisely because they know for the most part they only really need to get across that thin line and get lost in America.

If States became involved with their 90% share of law enforcement and started checking every school, business, and apartment and home regularly as they do for other crimes. Simply living in America illegally becomes a lot more difficult. Then your less likely to remain and try to return.

[wolfcat87]

@monorprise Holy shit, you're advocating for intrusive Nazi style jew hunts? That's really anti-American and sounds like hell. Go to 1940's Germany for that and tell me how happy everyone was to deal with it... Living in America would suck for everyone with your tyrannical ideas. They wouldn't solve anything and would make all our lives worse int he name of hate.

[Daniela1982]

@wolfcat87And the result of not controlling these immigrants is having more 9/11 terrorist attacks when we least expect it. Maybe if some of these Mexican gangs or Cartel members invaded your town, or women in your town started disappearing due to sex trafficking, you might think otherwise.

[wolfcat87]

@Daniela1982 You think Nazi America is a solution like that guy?

You also missed the part where it does nothing but send them over the border and they come right back. 😆 So, where's the solution there? It's not a solution, just a waste. A solution would actually fix something.

Also, you think Mexicans are the only sex traffickers? We have white guys doing it here. 🤣 Women aren't safe either way.

Also, 9/11 was done due to us meddling in the middle east and training child raping war lords to cause unrest to keep the region destabilized and get us cheap oil. Our government openly admits to this and so do soldiers sent over to train the war lords and arm them. So, maybe we should stop training and arming war lords? That would be a solution.

[monorprise]

Im not talking about them doing anything they are not already doing for every other form of domesic crime @wolfcat87

The rest is just standard checking we already do for credit and otherwise eligibility.

[wolfcat87]

@monorprise "started checking every school, business, and apartment and home regularly" This is nowhere near standard to acceptable behavior and violation of freedoms in any democratic nation.

It's exactly what you'd see in Nazi Germany during Jew hunts as well as other fascist regimes. Again, not American. You're welcome to go to North Korea and enjoy it though.

[monorprise]

@wolfcat87
Yet that is what is done currently in this country for many if not most other crimes.

If an illegal alien wants to hide in someone else's apartment and not work, its quite likely we will never find them but at the same time they might as well not be here. But if they are here for as reason such as working, schooling etc.. then they will have to be checked for imgration status just as they are checked for credit, experience, background etc..

[wolfcat87]

@monorprise No.

[Daniela1982]

@wolfcat87Well we wouldn't have to send them back if they weren't here to begin with, thanks to Biden. Trump was doing a good job of keeping them out and sending them back or blocking their entrance to begin with. Biden has let in millions. And guess who is paying for their room and board? You are.

[wolfcat87]

@Daniela1982 That's not how any of it works. Might want to stop reading propaganda. No one has ever blocked immigrants out. The only border we really police is a very small area anyone can go around. They can fly in, boat in, swim in, tunnel in, etc. Ever heard of a coastline?

[wolfcat87]

@Daniela1982 Also, they come and work. They always have. I'm not paying for anything.

[Daniela1982]

@wolfcat87 Well of course you can't block them all out. But it was a start when Trump was building the wall, which Bite-on cancelled, and then sold all the remaining fence panels for pennies. Now the idiot wants to continue with the wall. He also held immigrants in Mexico until they could appear before an immigration court. Biden also stopped that and allowed them in. He bussed them and sent them on planes in the middle of the night all over the US - during Covid no less and I'm sure none of them were tested or vaccinated. Trump put them in holding camps, while Bite-on puts them in hotels with free room and board. And they have the gall to complain about the food the hotel serves. 🙄

[wolfcat87]

@Daniela1982 You have not read anything I have written. The people who are caught and sent out come right back in. Simple. So, no one is actually being stopped. Anyone who thinks they are is delusional and wasteful of our resources. Have you even met an immigrant?

[Daniela1982]

Of course they come back, sometimes many times. Deporting them does nothing. And there is no room in prisons for them either. Maybe we need some detention camps like they threw Japanese Americans in during WWII. If I handled my money like the Government does, I'd be in the poor house.

[wolfcat87]

@Daniela1982 Nazi/Racist thinking is not a solution, and if anyone wants it they can move to a country that already has ti. It's unAmerican and inhumane.

I agree on the government spending bit, but your ideas for solutions aren't any cheaper than theirs.

[Daniela1982]

@wolfcat87 No! My solution was not letting any illegals in at all. It's a slap in the face for all those wanting to immigrate to the US legally, which can take years with all the hoops they have to jump through. And they don't get free room and board when they get here like some do. 🙄🙄

[wolfcat87]

@Daniela1982 Not "letting them in" is not a solution, because it's literally impossible to keep people out. We went over why as well.

I don't think they should get free room and board. They should get to work and pay taxes.

[Lliam]

We can and should keep them out. And those who violate our laws and our national sovereignty should be dealt with. A country can't simply have open borders in this day and age.

[wolfcat87]

Ha ha ha, you also didn't read what I wrote earlier. We already have open borders. How do you propose to enclose all of our beaches and the Canadian border as well? Thousands of miles of open borders. Do you intend to make tourism illegal as well? Most illegal immigrants fly in as tourist and never leave. You guys have no clue.

[Daniela1982]

@wolfcat87Just saw the news. Over 10,000 illegals came over the border in Texas on Wednesday, despite the fact that they had concertina wire all strung along the Rio Grande. These people are persistent. Also, the greatest influx of people coming over the border has been from Venezuela according to the news. It must be pretty bad there.

[Lliam]

@wolfcat87. You are making specious arguments. Don't tourists have visas or passports?
How many countries have open borders? Canada, England?
How many illegal immigrants arrive in the U. S. by boat?

Are you saying that we shouldn't even try to restrict illegal traffic from Mexico? Do you have any idea how many people cross into this country on a daily basis? it's an invasion. Why shouldn't we know who the people are who enter this country? They could be gang members, criminals or terrorists. They could be diseased.

[wolfcat87]

Interestingly, there's not a lot of data on people entering boats. Do you know why? Because travel between countries by boats is highly unregulated around the world. A friend of mine has been sailing the world for decades. You can get on a sail boat and go nearly anywhere without a visa. The only data on people entering the U. S. by boat are people authorities have interacted with and "detected migrations" of people they have not interacted with but suspect.

Tourists may have visas or they may not depending on the country they come from. They may have passports, but once they over stay they are still illegal immigrants. Most immigrants coming over the border also have passports. Neither makes someone legal.

Again, the majority of immigrants don't even come by land. Detection of water migrations have more than doubled since 2017 according to the U. S Coast guard. Over 14,000 migratory boats, not people - boats, detected in 2021 alone, and those are only the ones observed by the Coast Guard. Just a fraction of what's been coming.

[wolfcat87]

As for planes, not everyone arriving by plane comes legally, has a visa, or gets inspected. Private planes are not held to the same rules as commercial just like private boats are not held to the same rules when arriving. So, plenty of immigrants can be flown over by private plane. Drug lords have used them to ship drugs for decades. This is well recorded.

So, if most come by water and air, and the ones that come by land will just change how they arrive and still arrive and stay, then what are you solving other than wasting more money?

I'm not advocating completely open borders. Semis and such should still be inspected at the border as usual. They do catch some nasty things. That being said, they miss quite a lot as well.

Diseases? No one checks for disease when you arrive to the country. That's funny.

Invasion? Why? Because they aren't white enough? Where do you think most Americans and their ancestors came from? Immigrants. How well did you know all of them? Not at all. Yet, here we are.

Most gang members, criminals, and terrorists in the U. S. are here legally and most are citizens... Do you think any of this would have stopped 9/11? No, because they entered legally as non criminals. Again, highly ineffective thinking based on the facts. Just fear based reactions.

What I'm saying is that the solutions you guys are coming up with are not actually solving anything. In fact, they make more problems by wasting more money and resources.

[Lliam]

You're just being obtuse. Sure, 10,000 illegal aliens will just rent private planes and yachts if we monitory land traffic from Mexico.

Your comment about "not white enough" implies that you have ethnic reasons for supporting wide open borders.

[wolfcat87]

Which illegal immigrants are all of America's hate directed towards? What's obtuse is pretending to not comprehend that the border efforts are directed specifically at once set of people from one area... Our efforts to get rid of white illegals is minimal to none. So, what are your "ethnic reasons" for ignoring that widely known fact when it's in front of you? Or, can you provide proof that our efforts as a nation are not very much directed at people cased mostly on country of origin? When was the last time you heard of an ICE raid on a company full of white employees because one was an illegal? I've never heard of even one. Or, will you pretend there are no white illegal immigrants?

Again, you clearly didn't read the earlier breakdown of facts. Immigrants paid $5,000 a person to smugglers to get in 20 years ago. That amount is far higher now. A private plane only costs about $300 an hour to rent. $500 is you need a pilot to rent as well. You know what any business minded person sees there? A massive profit margin, and that's all any smuggler wants or needs to stay in business. This has also been a fact for hundreds of years.

[Lliam]

Which illegal immigrants are all of America's hate directed towards? The ones who flood across the Mexican border illegally. As far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with ethnicity. Those people could be from anywhere - Latin America, the Middle East, Europe, Asia, Africa, ... Nobody knows. That's the problem.

I have zero problem with immigrants of different ethnicities. You're acting like the only people who oppose open borders are motivated by xenophobia.

"This has also been a fact for hundreds of years." Um, the U. S. didn't even begin vetting immigrants until 130 years ago. And that was to stop Irish, Italians and eastern Europeans who arrived by boat.

[wolfcat87]

Which is interesting since most illegal immigrants aren't coming over that border... which makes the point. No one focuses on the ones coming by air, sea, or over the Canadian border.

The reference to hundreds of years was about smuggling. They weren't vetting anyone much 130 years ago...

[Lliam]

Cite documentation that most illegal immigrants are not coming across the Mexican border these days. I would be interested in seeing where you got your evidence.

[wolfcat87]

"As it turns out, it's hard to prove how they travel.

Actually, 40 percent might be too low

The key research on "overstays" -- the working term for this group of unauthorized immigrants Ramos had in mind -- was undertaken in 1997 by the U. S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS estimated that overstays accounted for 41 percent of the undocumented.

Here we’ll add a bit of complexity. Immigration researchers divide the undocumented into two groups -- overstays and "entries without inspection." The first group might have a student, temporary work or tourist visa. The second group never went through any review.

Robert Warren -- who helped with that work at the INS and now is a senior fellow at the Center for Migration Studies, a research group founded by Catholic missionaries -- told PunditFact that not only does the balance between the two still hold, it has likely tilted toward the overstays.

"Since 2000, arrivals from Mexico, who are about 85-90 percent 'entries without inspection,' have plummeted, while overstays have increased, or stayed at about their historical levels," Warren said.

Warren said the shift likely stems from U. S. efforts that have made it harder to enter by land."

www.politifact.com/.../

[wolfcat87]

"Rise in Maritime Migration to the United States Is a Reminder of Chapters Past

The United States is witnessing a significant increase in unauthorized maritime migration"

www.migrationpolicy.org/.../maritime-migration-united-states-rise

[wolfcat87]

"More asylum claims and more illegal crossings along U. S.-Canada border, despite the dangers "

www.nbcnews.com/.../more-asylum-requests-illegal-crossings-canada-northern-border-rcna126329

[Daniela1982]

@Lliam Just in Texas they had over 10,000 in one day. And you can bet a lot of those coming in ARE criminals. For all we know, Mexico told them to get out of Mexico or go to prison, so they came here to continue their crimes.

[wolfcat87]

@Daniela1982 Fearmongering and paranoia. No stats to back anything you just said. Criminals don't need to leave Mexico to escape prison. They can simply move to a gang run region. You really have no clue about the country or culture. Even less than you do about immigrants...

[Daniela1982]

They are breaking the law so yes, they should be arrested and deported back to where they came from. All these people are coming to America for a free ride while our homeless and vets live on the streets. Meanwhile, the illegals get put up at hotels on the taxpayer's dime and get free meals while the homeless scrounge for a meal out of a dumpster.

[dynamicyandere]

True. It’s just unfair to all the people who DO obey the law and DO pay taxes. Law-abiding citizens should take priority. Otherwise, we’re just rewarding the act of disregarding the law.

[Daniela1982]

@dynamicyandere And we get enough of that from our own citizens breaking the law and nothing gets done about it. For instance, Biden breaking the immigration laws.

[ShellyBo]

And I would deport them to Mexico, NOT where they came from.
Oh, and I heard on the news today that the illegals are complaining that the free food isn't good enough.

[Lliam]

@ShellyBo. I agree. Crowd them onto buses and dump them across the Mexican border. If they return, put them in internment camps.

[ShellyBo]

@Lliam

We shouldn't have to pay for their plane tickets back to Russia.

[Massageman]

One-way airfare to just about anywhere out of the country in business class would be a drop in the bucket compared to all the money wasted on their support, and that is being bourn by the taxpayers.

[ShellyBo]

@Massageman
But that wouldn't send a message to Mexico. They are laughing at us.

[Massageman]

@ShellyBo They aren't the only ones - - - -

[ShellyBo]

@Massageman
The only ones?

[rigmarole]

States are sovereign. Each state has their own constitution, statutes, and more importantly police power constitutionally. That power has never been surrendered to the federal government. The state has the right to exercise its police powers. Even if there is a conflict between federal law and state law, if the state has passed legislation for the protection and maintenance of the health, safety, or welfare of its "citizens" the Supreme Court will always favor the state right to police power over the federal government. What Texas is doing is right for their citizenry and there is nothing the federal government can do about it within the scope of the constitution. They don't have the legal power to stop Texas from protecting their own citizens.

[Massageman]

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Ultimately this is the only way we are going to free our country from this invasion.

There is no way to get the 10s of millions of people who have already invaded and colonized our lands to leave with the mere 10% of Law enforcement the Feds alone control even if they were trying.

The States must bring their 90% share into the fight. We must have the man on the street who actually knows his neighborhood and knows who doesn't belong looking.

That isn't some ICE agent from 1000+ miles away. That is the local cop on the street who the common cop who make up 9/10th of American Law Enforcement.

They alone can check every school, every apartment, every business, and every encounter. Laws like this are indispensable.

[MikeFrench]

Build tent city prisons for the unlawful guests. Biden't caravans would stop tomorrow.

[Dargil]

Agree unreservedly. California, New Mexico, Arizona, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida should do the same. Arrest them and bus them back to Mexico,

[RealMarek]

It’s common to observe groups of young men and boys walking north on rural roads where I live. Nonetheless, I suspect the feds will find some BS argument about federal supremacy to force the border states to put up with it.

[Massageman]

The feds aren't anywhere near living up to their requirements, so the states have to use DIY measures.

[Massageman]

Putting a sharpshooter every half-mile or so would fix the problem. Anyone headed south, no problem. Anyone headed north at a non-official point becomes a target for breaking the law.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

Why can't Californians think more Texas do?

[DeeDeeDeVour]

Sorry...

I meant to say: "Why can't Californians think more *like Texans* do?"

[BoopBoopBeep]

I mean... it's illegal... and there's only so many immigration agents...

[exitseven]

I am not sure why police cannot arrest criminals.

[purplepoppy]

Shouldn't that be the job of immigration control? To me it just sounds like an excuse to harrass non-whites. Anyone the wrong colour now risks being constantly stopped and asked for proof of citizenship or face being carted off.

[MikeFrench]

What color is wrong? White?

[Kingofkings1992]

You don’t get to have an opinion on anything involving America

[Anonymous]

Makes sense. If they can't deport them give them a 1 way ticker to a sanctuary city.

[Nice222]

Police are paid to enforce the law. If someone is doing something illegal then Police should arrest them.

[Sevenpointfive]

uh, they have the power to arrest legal citizens without charge, so what's the confusion?

[Lliam]

Without charge?

[Sevenpointfive]

i mean it's called false arrest but they have the power

[lightbulb27]

Yes and new york chicago and others should write them a check for the service. $1000 per arrest.

[Anonymous]

Not surprising for a southern state. Heartless bastards.

[Kingofkings1992]

Not surprising for a pink anon to say something stupid

[ShellyBo]

Biden will find a way to screw that up.

[Alex-Snow]

Texas is out of control

[sage2021]

@Alex-Snow
If Texas so out of control, why did soooo many people move there and Florida when they left California. I would never have chosen Texas as a place to live. Now they see it was a bad choice.

[Orangekiss]

@sage2021 Me either. There are a lot better places to live, unless you are in cattle ranching or oil.