Is it cool for cops to moonlight after hours with the ability to arrest?

[OddBeMe]

Yes

No

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I have no idea about the legals involved in my country. I have to say, on the language aspect, that this moonlighting term is interesting, as it looks somehow "poetical" to me, for such a pragmatical status 😅

[OddBeMe]

You’ll love Bruce Willis’ TV show then

[Drewtate]

Yes but not as private enforcers. I don't think it's a bad thing to have an off duty police officer doing security in day a night club or any first responder for that matter.

[spartan55]

If I'm not mistaken they still have the powers of arrest when off duty. When you go to a public event and see uniformed cops working the event, they are almost always off duty.

[OddBeMe]

From what I know they detain you until an on duty cop arrives. And I’m not against cops making extra money for the danger they do. Fair.

But taxpayers are covering their private jobs’ accidents and lawsuits.

[spartan55]

Depends if they are in uniform. My buddy has 19 years in LE. He said that if he gets an off duty gig 9/10 he is in uniform. But he is not paid by the city directly for those jobs, he gets paid by the arena, school district, etc.

[OddBeMe]

But if he got sued or shot someone or was sued, who would pay for his defense?

[spartan55]

That's a good question, and I honestly don't know. I'll shoot him a text tomorrow and ask him. I ask stupid civilian LE questions all the time.

[OddBeMe]

I mean we should know if a cop is on or off duty when they approach us.

[spartan55]

Why would they need to indicate that?

[goaded]

In UK law, at least, everybody has the ability to arrest someone they see commit a crime. You have to be very sure, though, because detaining an innocent is a crime.

[OddBeMe]

And moonlighting cops don’t have to be and I’m sure are still protected from bad arrests and accidents.

[OddBeMe]

Less of a chance of accidental shooting over there tho.

[goaded]

Very true. Lots of training, too. Although the Met apparently still has a racism problem.

[OddBeMe]

Uhg the immigrants! Why are they coming here! I mean maybe because were fucking up their environment. Lol

[spartan55]

Much higher chance of having an appendage hacked off though.

[OddBeMe]

@spartan55 yes lack of education and opportunists leads to violence.

[spartan55]

Things are certainly not all rainbows and unicorns in the US right now, but the UK? No way.

[goaded]

@spartan55 You know the US has a higher knife murder rate than the UK, right? They make up less than 20% of murders in the US.

"4.96 homicides “due to knives or cutting instruments” in America for every million of the population in 2016. In Britain the figure was 3.26."
www.mirror.co.uk/.../americas-knife-crime-figures-worse-27435503

[OddBeMe]

Case of confirmation bias. You want Europe to be worse.

[spartan55]

@goaded
So by what means are the largest percentage of homicides in the UK? Rope? Lead pipe? Candlestick? Getting pushed down the stairs?

[spartan55]

In 2016 yeah... wonder if that rate has increased?

[goaded]

@spartan55 You can look these things up for yourself, you know. About 40% knives, 20% unarmed violence, 5% firearms. One murder per 100,000 population, compared to over six in the US.

[spartan55]

@goaded You throw anti America stats all night. The violent crime rates in the US are decreasing significantly. If you stay out of high crime areas it is very safe.

[OddBeMe]

@spartan55 all true. And my “anti America” is criticism to make it better. Only dumbass nationalists thinking we’re gods favorite country never criticize their own country.

And europes crime rates- despite anti immigrant fucks like you- are nominal spared to US

[spartan55]

Excuse me? You want to start with the name calling motherfucker? You don't know anything about shit, much less if I agree with our current immigration policy. Apparently you know that I never criticize my own country, and I am a 'dumbass nationalist' apparently you know what I think about things I haven't even talked about. I haven't even mentioned either of those topics, so show yourself out moron.

[OddBeMe]

@spartan55 you calling me out on it makes it loud and clear. Never say anything anti American!

[goaded]

@spartan55 My stats have the advantage of being true, unlike your assertions about the UK.

New Hampshire is the only US state or territory that had a lower murder rate than the UK's (England and Wales) current 1.1, at 0.9 per 100,000, in 2020 and 2021.

[OddBeMe]

Yes but high suicide. Because…it’s New Hampshire.

[spartan55]

@OddBeMe
Who tf made you the 'Standard of Patriotism'? calling you out...😂... ooooo... gtfoh.

[OddBeMe]

@spartan55 first amendment. And you nor I have no authority.

[spartan55]

Sure thing, now go hang your triangular hat up.

[OddBeMe]

@spartan55 but if my opinion bothers you maybe look inward, nationalist.

[spartan55]

@OddBeMe
Your opinion bothers because it's fucking stupid. Nothing else. Why don't you two go give each other a reach around.

[goaded]

@spartan55 It's not my fault you don't like inconvenient facts.

[OddBeMe]

Just admit you're scared of the great replacement. I'd have more respect for you.

[Sevenpointfive]

i believe that's impersonating a police officer. off-duty cops are probably taking off-duty jobs wearing their uniforms.

[spartan55]

Being in uniform whole off duty is not impersonating anything when the officers are contracted for off duty work.

[Sevenpointfive]

@spartan55 no. off-duty work is separate.

[spartan55]

@sevenpointefive
Separate in the sense that they are paid by whatever event or venue they are working off duty. They are still in uniform though.

[Sevenpointfive]

@spartan55 then that's not an off-duty event. police presence was necessary and they were paid to be officers.

[spartan55]

@Sevenpointfive
I have two friends since grade school that were both police officers for 20+ years. I went on a two day ridealong with one of the local department. ALL of them supported my facts (hell, that's where I'm getting my info)
Maybe you aren't understanding the distinction. If a town holds a school event, parade, festival, outdoor concert, whatever required a police presence for security then OFF DUTY police officers are hired to work the event. They are compensated by the event, venue, etc NOT city tax dollars. The department cannot use on duty officers for these events because that would cause serious coverage and manpower issues. Using off-duty officers prevents, that.

[Sevenpointfive]

@spartan55 how is an off-duty cop able to make an arrest? they can't. wannabe detectives? what a joke

[spartan55]

Why do you believe being off duty means they cannot arrest someone?

[OddBeMe]

@spartan55 I believe you’re right in a limited sense, off duty cops still have power AND taxpayer paid coverage for their moonlighting jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anything a cop can arrest you for a citizen can call a cop to arrest you too or in more free countries arrest you themselfs.

[OddBeMe]

But not with full immunity of accidents or insurance paid by taxpayers. See Amaud Arbery

[Opinion Owner]

I don't see how that case of Georgia law not giving citizens the right to arrest without having directly witness a crime, as anything to do with the concept of immunity a agent of the state enjoys as a product of the State's own Sovereign immunity. @oddbeme Protected by the 11th amendment.

[OddBeMe]

I think they as “guards” can detain you until on duty cops arrive- which is fine. But if there’s a shooting. George Floyd choking death- taxpayers pay for the off duty cops moonlighting accidents.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme Shooting in the case in question was one of self-defense given there was a physical fight. Which is allowed in every decent state. When there is a fight, particularly over a weapon you have to assume it is kill or be killed, as such never try to fight a guy with a gun unless you want to risk getting shot.
Just wait peacefully for the cops to arrive.

Granted in the case in question, the famously corrupt Georgia judicial system used a strange technicality involving the classification of trespassing in George law of which the arresting citizens were unaware. To proclaim them the aggressors instead by proclaiming the Citizen's arrest itself rather than the violence to be the first act of aggression and that somehow made the shooting not self-defense. Which is how they managed to get a conviction.

But that illustrates in Georgia you need to be a lawyer to be a security guard.
The moral of the story is don't expect to get justice in Georgia,

[msc545]

No but they do it anyway.