Is HUNTER BIDEN aware that his PARDON can be a bigger PROBLEM?

[AviatorTom]

Most people are aware that President Joe Biden has pardoned his son, Hunter. Many, from both parties, have aid it's a bad idea, especially after Joe repeatedly said he wouldn't do it.

Most are not aware that the pardon covers not only the gun charges Hunter was convicted of, but anything he did, or didn't do, for the past 11 years.

Sounds good?

It's not... for Hunter.

Experts have now pointed out that, should Hunter appear before Congress and be questioned about his involvement as a Ukraine Company Board Member, or any other thing Congress might be interested in asking him about, he can no longer decline to answer any question by pleading the 5th Amendment... he already has immunity from the pardon so he cannot incriminate himself.

We wonder if the President... and his son... realize this potential problem when the pardon was issued.

[Red_Arrow]

Hunter's dealings with the Ukraine company have come under investigation mainly due to accusations from Trump that Joe Biden tried to help his son's business interests there. Trump has offered no proof of those accusations because there is none and Trump is doing his normal lying about political things. Hunter never visited Ukraine for company business during that time and his presence on the board did not protect the company from a series of criminal investigations.

Revelations in a whistleblower complaint that Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, pressed the Ukrainians to pursue investigations into Burisma and the role of Hunter Biden sparked an impeachment inquiry by Democrats in the House of Representatives. Trump faced allegations that he withheld U. S. military assistance for Ukraine to place pressure on Kiev to investigate his potential Democratic rival in the recent U. S. presidential election. Much of what Trump has said about what he will do in the matter of Ukraine support those allegations.

Nothing has been shown that Hunter has done anything that he could be tried for, so he would be able to openly refute any charges of wrongdoing. Further, Trump will likely prevent any charges that could bring up responses pointing out the criminal actions of Trump and Giuliani in spreading lies about the Bidens.

So the Bidens do not face any serious problems over the involvement with the Ukraine company and will freely answer any charges. Trump has more worries about what would come out against him. And without the pardon, Trump would go after the Biden family just out of his absolute vindictiveness (which he has stated many times).

Your assumption that the pardon would be a bigger problem is dead on coming out of your mouth. Tome, you are normally a lot smarter than this!

[MrOracle]

"Trump has offered no proof of those accusations because there is none"

First of all, you don't know that. Just because it hasn't been presented doesn't mean none exists. But, for now, that's irrelevant. What IS relevant is that there is more than sufficient evidence (evidence isn't necessarily "proof", but is information that is at least suspicious) to open an investigation. An investigation doesn't guarantee a crime, it's to determine if, in fact, there was a crime, and if so, if there is enough evidence to successfully prosecute. Until there has been an investigation, we don't know the answer to that.

What there IS - without any question - is a preponderance of evidence of corruption. Again, that doesn't (yet) rise to the level of "proof" - but it's more than enough for an investigation.

Let's keep in mind that the FBI has now admitted that the laptop evidence is legitimate AND that they KNEW it was legitimate from the beginning, even though they told everyone, for several years, including Trump, that it couldn't be validated. Simply, the FBI didn't WANT there to be an investigation - which by itself is VERY alarming - and the fact that they lied about it is even more alarming. There needs to be serious investigations into the FBI, because they are legally required to provide the truth to the President of the USA, and the fact that they didn't is also substantial evidence of corruption. No one is saying it is PROOF, just evidence, but it certainly reaches the level sufficient to investigate.

[Sabretooth]

@MrOracle you sound like a child who's parents have just decided to tell you the truth about Santa.

[Red_Arrow]

@MrOracle The laptop was left at a computer shop by a man claiming to be Hunter Biden. The owner is legally blind and he could not be sure the man who left it was Biden. Just prior to the 2020 presidential election, the New York Post published a front-page story that presented emails from the laptop, alleging they showed corruption by Joe Biden, the Democratic presidential nominee and Hunter Biden's father.[2] According to the Post, the story was based on information provided to Rudy Giuliani, the personal attorney of incumbent president and candidate Donald Trump, so plenty of reasons to suspect everything said. On October 19, 2020, an open letter signed by 51 former US intelligence officials said that the laptop "has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." Apparently no real proof either way. But now our Liar in Chief is directing the FBI, so no reason to believe what they are currently saying.

[MrOracle]

Except the FBI admitted under oath 2 years ago that they had been in possession of the laptop since before the election and had authenticated it. They'd refused to admit this prior to the election, and only did so because of a senate investigation.

Not sure why you are still trying to pretend it isn't real or is some way unverified - the FBI admitted to this under oath and on live TV. It was widely reported in the media, except the CNN and MSNBC mentioned it only briefly and dismissively and then avoided any further mention of it again.

[Red_Arrow]

@MrOracle As you just stated, "They'd refused to admit this prior to the election", and since the election Trump has been manipulating what has been released and also investigations. He had no need to wait till his term began, Congress has been afraid of getting on his bad side. Trump has fired legitimate and honest workers in every department, including the FBI, and replaced them with idiots with little or no knowledge how things should be run and replaced them with loyalists who do whatever he says, including things that are against the Constitution. Not sure why you are still pretending that is not obvious.

[MrOracle]

The FBI admitted the truth more than 2 years ago, while Biden had full control of the government other than the Senate. Trump had no power. Please stop inventing things that didn't exist. The FBI lied as long as it could do so and not be held accountable - lying under oath in a Senate investigation comes with real consequences, so they told the truth. And this is one of many examples of the FBI lying. Remember the Russian collusion story? For two years we heard that 50 times a day, but when they finally had to testify under oath, no one had any evidence.

Does it not frighten you that the FBI routinely lies when it thinks it can get away with it? You may think this could never affect you personally, but innocent people fall into its nets all the time, even when there's no political reason. Sometimes the FBI just wants to steal your stuff via asset forfeiture.

The bottom line is that the laptop is real. The crap that Hunter was accused of doing, he was doing. Joe Biden was involved. He won't be prosecuted, because he's too old and mentally ill at this point, but he should be. He's a swamp monster.

[Red_Arrow]

@MrOracle You said "They'd refused to admit this prior to the election", so they could not have admitted it more than two years ago. Your lies are competing with each other.

[MrOracle]

I was talking about the 2020 election - you know, back in 2020, when the whole issue was first in the news. The fact that the truth came out in 2022 is, I'm sure, a contributing factor to Trump winning in 2024.

[Red_Arrow]

@MrOracle I can't put up with your flip flopping on when what was, so I am done putting up with it.

[MisterWack]

“He can no longer decline to answer any question by pleading the 5th Amendment... he already has immunity from the pardon so he cannot incriminate himself.”

Ummm not how pleading the 5th works. You can invoke it regardless. That is why when you are in an interrogation room, you don’t have to answer without your lawyer present first then go “I plead the 5th” on ALL you are asked. I would advise this since most if not all public hearings from these committees are useless & will just be used for political points on both sides without getting anything meaningful done. Just because you have total immunity doesn’t mean you can’t all of a sudden plead the 5th. I absolutely would plea the 5th even when 100% innocent of wrongdoing.

I don’t care about the meat of this because this is a flimsy house of cards. My main point is: Yes he can invoke 5th Amendment Rights AND public hearings are a waste of tax payer dollars regardless of whose in the right / whose in the wrong since it is always to score political points on your side NOT to find the truth. A prosecutor’s job is to put someone behind bars to get a good word / nice pay / good references regardless if that man/woman happens to be innocent.

[MisterWack]

When I think of public hearings that wasted our time & money I think of: UFO Hearings, Boeing, TikTok, and more. We learned nothing and achieved nothing, only scored political points at the expense of the taxpayer’s money.

[MisterWack]

Okay I looked it up FOR that crime for which they’ve been pardoned they can no longer invoke the fifth. If it is totally new offenses for which they don’t want to self incriminate then they can flag it which these new Ukraine charges wouldn’t fall under… So I did a half truth which actually is part of the truth whoops!

[Amy10223]

I think it was a good idea on the part of Biden, to pardon his own son for his crime, which was legion in order to obtain a gun while he was taking drugs. For one thing--if he did NOT pardon him, Hunter would be a walking target for Trump later on who will spew vengeance on him just to get at Biden. Secondly-- it was not that much of an infraction if you take a look at all those people who were pardoned by Trump for doing far more dangerous crimes. Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, George Papadopoulis, Steve Bannon, Micheal Flynn, to name a few, and Trump himself with all of his own crimes, did lie under oath in the courtrooms, evaded taxes, bribed countries for money, shared the US military secrets to our adversaries, and who knows what else-- What Hunter did is nothing in comparison. So I don't blame Biden for pardoning his son, because he could face jail later on. Something Trump is immune for. His running for the presidency to avoid jail time is no secret except those who refuse to acknowledge it.

[AviatorTom]

@Amy10223 This question is not about whether the pardon was a good idea or not, nor was it intended to be an opportunity for further attacks on the President-Elect. It's intent is to ask if President Biden understands all of the implications of pardoning his son. It's obvious that he doesn't.

[Amy10223]

Tom, I understand the question. My understanding is that life would be much harder for Hunter Biden under a Trump administration. I’m sure Biden understands that fully. That’s why he pardoned him.
And there would have been worse implications for Biden, had Harris won AND Biden pardoned his son; but nothing happened to Trump when he pardoned the men I mentioned in my answer—- because Trump gets away with everything— and you know it.

[Middle_Sch_Whirl_Grl]

Exactly! I don't think Biden understands anything anymore. He's got dementia.

[AviatorTom]

@Amy10223 I hear what you are saying, but Hunter was tried and convicted by members of Biden's own DoJ, persons that Joe Biden appointed. Trump had nothing to do with Hunter's trial. Hunter was scheduled to be sentenced before Trump took office, which means Hunter would already be in jail; what additional things do you think Trump would, or could, do. The entire trial was all done by the Democrats... which is why several Democrats, as well as Republicans and Independents are complaining about the pardon.

[Amy10223]

I know many Democrats are complaining too, which I don't understand. They don't see Hunter is better off now, even if they (or you) cannot see it. It doesn't matter if Biden appointed them--because for some reason--many have turned against him in asking him to step down, something I will not forget they did.
What things could Trump try to do? Jail him for more time, if that's what the courts will do. You need to understand--that the man you voted for--is dangerous. And he has gotten away with his 94 charges in a way that no one else in the US ever has. He is the first president feeling to run and win--that is the mental state of this country. And that--along with his tariffs plan that you and I will pay for, and the consequence of this on the economy, is what will bring this country down. Hunter Biden again, is much better off and nothing should happen to Biden because nothing happened to Trump with all of his misdeeds.

[Amy10223]

*First president-felon

[Amy10223]

@Middle_Sch_Whirl_Grl No, he does not have dementia. There is nothing wrong with Biden, as he is a sane man. Don't confuse his stuttering at times for lack of intelligence. The person who appears that he does have dementia is Mr. Trump.

[purplepoppy]

Pleading the 5th is pretty much an admission of guilt and the refuge of a coward. Why stop the guilty incriminating themselves? Innocent people protest their innocence with vigour, the guilty cry "you can't prove it" or hide behind silence.

[AMS700CX4u2]

In the last two years the American Judicial System has seen "Equal before the Law" flushed down the toilet by both parties and by people who swore to uphold the Constitution. Lady Justice has just lifted her blindfold and extended her palm. The whole system has been invalidated. If one man can get immunity then it should be available to any of us no matter what our status. If a man can be pardoned due to family ties then it should be available to all of us. Remember we left merry old England to escape aristocracy. Not to create the same inequity here.

[Syntosi]

Well, if you listen to Bidens reasoning for why he pardoned his own son then it makes perfect sense. Simply put, the very fact that Republicans are STILL pursuing Hunter Biden literally years after the fact and after countless unsuccessful attempts to smear him speaks to their attacks being of a personal or political nature rather than caring anything about the law.

In other words, they never needed a provocation or precedent to do any of this. If they do it then they would have done it anyways, this is just a convenient excuse they would hide behind.

As such, I see no problems with Biden pardoning Hunter Biden.

[blueonblack22]

Biden’s too senile to think that far ahead.

He probably figures he will be a literal corpse vs a barely animated one (like he has for his entire term) by the time the GOP congress get real and call Hunter to testify.

But if it comes to light that Joe Biden profited from Hunter’s shady business dealings (and this was with hostile actors like the CCP) then Joe Biden will go down as the most corrupt president in American history. By far. And that will all blow back in the democrats like it should.

[lightbulb27]

He can just say things like:

"Pardon me sir... I don't understand..."

What is the definition of "is"... is it "the"?

"On that topic, I'll have to check my recollection..."

"Could we take a cocaine or prostitute break, I'm fading a bit... I'm sure you guys know of a good supplier"

"You can just go ride long dong silver senator... I know where he's located in the building over there..."

"I don't know how to define what a woman is sir..."

My dad said so...

etc..

[goaded]

Are you incapable of understanding that he might not have committed any other crimes?

He didn't feel the need to plead the fifth in his testimony to the House committee at the beginning of the year, so why would he need to now? (I think even the Republicans would think twice about going after him for drug offenses from over half a decade ago.)

"Gaetz said Biden has been answering questions and has not pleaded the fifth. Gaetz previously admitted on CNN that some of his Republican colleagues were “a little oversauced” in their bribery claims against the president."

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/hunter-biden-deposition-02-28-24/index.html

[genericname85]

i'm just curious how all these raging lib tards are gonna deal with that after calling trump a criminal. not disrespecting democrats. just lib tards in particular. cause that move is very fucked up. like he's constantly been abusing the power of presidency for his own private benefit and this is just the cherry on the top of all that at the end of his presidency.

like ever wondered why ukraine out of all countries got so much support? might it have to do with the fact that hunter has leadership roles in corporations there? you really gotta wonder where all the American tax payer money "really" went.

[KrakenAttackin]

That's an interesting point. Congress can issue subpoenas, and refusal to appear (Contempt of Congress) is a crime.

I don't know that a pardon can excuse one for crimes for which they have not been charged?

[AviatorTom]

@KrakenAttackin That's what's unique about this pardon. It covers any crime against the United States he did, or may have done, between 1-Jan-2014 and 1-Dec-2024, 11 years in total.

[KrakenAttackin]

I'm sure that's what it said but I can't imagine it holds Constitutional muster.

[ohsheeT]

This is what I love because when everybody was talking about what his dad did for him and I said the game's not over yet all is going to take is one bad move with the right person finding out or in that moment I need out and we arrest him I don't know if his dad can get him back out without paying tons of money

So it's going to be very interesting

[KostasKouvalis]

Why would they question him if he's been pardoned. And even if he can't plead the 5th, he can just lie. Is he obligated to appear before Congress if asked to do so? Even if he is, what's the worst that will happened? Him and Joe's reputations will be ruined? They already are. I think it's better than going to prison.

[AviatorTom]

@KostasKouvalis He can't lie. The pardon doesn't cover that because it ends on 1-Dec-2024, and his questioning by Congress would be after that date. He would have to tell the truth or be held in Contempt of Congress.

[KostasKouvalis]

So just out curiosity, what would happened to him if he just refused to answer their questions or he just didn't show up. Also, how would they know if he's lying or not?

[Anonymous]

It is a problem, but the alternative means leaving him exposed to 11 years of criminal liability. I suspect the President and his advisors decided that putting Hunter at risk of being compelled to testify was the lesser of two evils.

[Anonymous]

He's got a get of jail free card for all crimes he's committed in the last 11 years. That's gun crime, murder, rape, peadophillia, bribery, treason, tax fraud you name it.

[Gym_Bro]

Son of a president gets away with that? Oh so shocking.

[goaded]

Except there were only the two crimes.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded two convictions but Biden pardoned him for all crimes committed in the last 11 years.

[goaded]

He's been under the microscope for the last few years, he didn't commit any other crimes.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded remember when you said way back that he didn't commit any crimes and Biden wouldn't pardon him.

[Gym_Bro]

Sure as fuck, politicians and billionaires are above the law. Only f*cking r*tards would ever even debate this.

But undoubtedly many of their crimes are manufactured as rituals as well.









"Hunter Biden found guilty on all charges the day Joe Biden speaks at Everytown for Gun Safety event, Tuesday, June 11, 2024"

[goaded]

Do you really? Link to it.

[Twalli]

They have no reason to do so. If it happens again it will be probably be solely for revenge. Also he can decline unless it's open to reporters. If it's not solely for revenge they'll allow it. By refusing we know it's just for revenge.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

is not good for Biden, the democrats and the government we have at the moment since mr Biden tried to say that "nobody is above the law" but now all of the sudden he contradicts himself by pardoning the law when his son aka his right hand man in his family's crime business

[Pudsmucker]

I've been watching the situation a little bit myself. Somebody said that he can still go to prison if he is subpoenaed and refuses the subpoena. My own opinion is the man needs to go to prison and sit there and rot for a few years. Cuz he's going to end up bouncing back and doing the same freaking thing all over again. May not be done by this new Trump administration. If Hunter Biden does business with the wrong group of people they may eliminate him permanently.

[goaded]

"Gaetz said Biden has been answering questions and has not pleaded the fifth. Gaetz previously admitted on CNN that some of his Republican colleagues were “a little oversauced” in their bribery claims against the president."

[katiesmuff]

I would have thought between slow joe and his staff it was something they have already looked into and likely nothing jr might say can hurt either one of them.

[Sabretooth]

assuming that he did anything wrong regarding Burisma.

[goaded]

Exactly. Well, illegal. Letting people think you can affect the actions of th VPOTUS when you can't is wrong, but not illegal.

[Middle_Sch_Whirl_Grl]

After what the legal system and media tried to do to president Trump I think they should get what they deserve. All. of them.

[exitseven]

He can still lie or claim he was stoned at the time.

[AviatorTom]

@exitseven If he does, he risks being held in Contempt of Congress, which is potentially more serious than his gun charges.

[exitseven]

Maybe this could work.

[lightbulb27]

contempt of congress... isn't that what happened to the Brietbart guy and got 4 months?

[goaded]

"Maybe this could work." To get him locked up for being the son of the president? Do you listen to yourself? He's already testified to congress, didn't plead the fifth, and no crimes were uncovered.

[exitseven]

@goaded he only answered a couple of hand picked questions that would not show Joe's involvement.

[goaded]

You "know" that, how? Perhaps because it's inconceivable to you that not everybody is as corrupt and lawless as Republicans?

[Massageman]

Biden = obviously lied. Even though Caryn Johnson had a fit about it on "The View". But, then, she lies about her name, too.

[msc545]

If he really has immunity he can simply refuse to answer, and there is nothing they can do to him.

[AviatorTom]

@msc545 He cannot refuse to answer. The pardon doesn't cover that because it ends on 1-Dec-2024, and his questioning by Congress would be after that date. He would have to honestly answer the questions or be held in Contempt of Congress.

[msc545]

It is now 5-Dec-2024 so the pardon is ended already?

[goaded]

He's not immune for any new crimes.

[msc545]

I see. I didn't know that so thanks for telling me. He may need further immunity going forward.

[goaded]

I think he can avoid committing any crimes, it's not that difficult.

[lorenzomichael]

I think the whole Biden family are fucked in the eyes of all Americans. The Biden family in my opinion are a bunch of fucking restarted jackasses.

[DtMe89]

Dude, pardon's no longer mean ANYTHING. Trump pardon a bunch of people, that shouldn't have been.

Stop with the political bullshit

[CarolinaGirl5]

He doesn't care. Hunter has been a problem child all his life.

[Anonymous]

Not really a problem. He'll just lie. All he has to do is say "I'm sorry sir, I was so whacked out of my mind on drugs the whole time I can't recall." He'll be fine.

[LiamJHayden]

Only if there are no plausible state crimes.

[MarjorieJ]

Very interesting. I didn't know that.

[JohnK123]

Yet Hunter Biden escaped under Trump’s presidency 😂 2016-2020

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't worry about it. Trump will unpardon him and deport him along with Hillary and Kamala

[BCRanger10]

He's probably too stoned to know 🤜

[Dongie]

He can and will still lie.

[AviatorTom]

@dongie He can't lie. The pardon doesn't cover that because it ends on 1-Dec-2024, and his questioning by Congress would be after that date. He would have to tell the truth or be held in Contempt of Congress.

[Dongie]

Like Adam Schiff, Pelosi, and others?
The only ones ever held accountable are people in Trumps circle. Also, a fartboy traitor that slept with Fang Fang. Swallwell. No nads Nadler. Plenty more.

[OfDeath]

But it wouldn’t matter.

[beefcakebradybatson]

He isn't stupid, so yes.