How can people be against abortion, when there's so many kids in fostercare?

[bunniesrcute]

[Lliam]

I agree with you.
Pro-lifers call abortion MURDER and get all emotional. But, until it reaches 20 weeks or so, a fetus has not developed enough to feel pain or fear. So, up to then, abortion isn't cruel.
I can't imagine any rational argument against chemical abortion that can be performed up to 10 weeks after the woman's last period.

People who claim that life begins at conception do so based on religious beliefs. But they have no right to force their beliefs on others.

I think many pro-lifers lack empathy for living humans and particularly for women.

How many pro-lifers are hysterical about Israelis deliberately shooting infants and starving them to death? Those hypocrites think it's perfectly okay to slaughter living, breathing children under certain circumstances.

[Bricealan]

@Lliam I have to ask, I have NEVER seen or read any account, other than YOURS "about Israelis deliberately shooting infants, and starving them to death". I must tell you sir, I am not always PRO Israeli, but for you to make such a horrendous statement, is beyond the pale, and I cannot imagine where YOU saw or read such an account of this barbaric behavior you describe. You should be ashamed to make such a horrible statement.

[Lliam]

@Bricealan. Wow. I actually didn't know that mainstream media was completely devoid of any factual information about the constant crimes of the IDF, not to mention Israeli settlers. They are so sadistic as to be beyond comprehension.
I thought all that stuff was common knowledge.
I guess it shows how much control Israel has over our government and media.

By the way. I am not motivated by ideology. I am not, nor have I ever hated Jews in the slightest. I don't use the word "antisemitic" because that is a propaganda word invented by Zionists. Jews are not Semitic.
Judaism is a religion, not a race or nationality.

There are amazing Jews. Some of my information has come from Jews, including those born in Israel.
I have read books by people like Ilan Pappé, Miko Peled and Norman Finkelstein.
I couldn't even begin to relate the volumes of information I have gotten from books, articles, live talks, photos and videos. Even Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper publishes truthful information at times.

[bingbongbangbung]

Life begins at the moment of conception, or are you those religious types that also believe evolution is fake?

[OlderAndWiser]

If morality doesn't matter as long as a problem is solved, who not just execute foster care kids? You put them out of their misery and the problem is solved. . . except, of course, that it is murder and morally reprehensible. And most pro-lifers think abortion is murder and morally reprehensible. Obviously, you don't share those beliefs, but that doesn't mean that you are right.

[bunniesrcute]

they already have a life compared to a fetus.

[OlderAndWiser]

An unborn baby will also have a life unless you end it prematurely. At one time, you were a "fetus" and now you are living your life outside the womb. You have no compassion for babies living inside the womb?

[bunniesrcute]

well it doesn't.

no i dont. i prioratize the living woman over a clump of cells.

[OlderAndWiser]

How very compassionate!

[bunniesrcute]

do you not agree?

[bingbongbangbung]

Even now, you're just a "clump of cells", and also scientifically life begins at the moment of conception

[bunniesrcute]

sure but i also have bones and organs, they dont.

[OlderAndWiser]

A fetal heart begins beating on the 18th day.

You are surprised that someone else does not agree with you?

[katiesmuff]

It should always be the woman's choice! If that is not the case then there should be a Federal Tax on every taxpayer which goes into a homeless baby fund to take, raise, care for, and educate any and all babies delivered to mothers who didn't want it. The mother should also receive as much financial support that she needs to continue this pregnancy to ensure as much as possible a healthy unwanted baby.

[OlderAndWiser]

@katiesmuff Entitlement mentality. If you get pregnant, it becomes someone else's responsibility?

[katiesmuff]

Entitlement my ass! Given my right a a person problem would have been solved many months earlier. If the Prudes and the zealous religious freaks would mind their own fucking business and leave what doesn't concern them alone would be a much better world.

[OlderAndWiser]

@katiesmuff If someone tries to kill you, should the rest of us just mind our own business?

[katiesmuff]

As usual from those like you it is comparing apples to oranges and you damn well know it!

[OlderAndWiser]

@katiesmuff YOU call it apples and oranges because you have no other response.

[Zionne]

Yeah, it’s hard to understand that contradiction. Many people who oppose abortion focus on the idea of protecting life before birth, but often overlook the reality that so many children already born need love, homes, and support. It highlights how complex and inconsistent people’s values can be when it comes to caring for life beyond birth.

[msmissydc]

Thats why I dont call them pro-lifers but forced birthers. Much more fitting.

[katiesmuff]

The largest problem are from the religious South bible busting snobs who just can't live without their nose in someone else's business. They try to separate saying your either pro life or pro choice where actually most people are pro life however leaving that decision to the woman.

[Still-alive]

boom!

[AviatorTom]

This is a weak argument. Abortion will always be a controversial topic, with people on both sides, those in favor and those against. The best thing that can be done is for government to stay out of it, and leave it up to an individual's very personal decision.

[goaded]

You'll be voting pro-choice, then?

[AviatorTom]

@goaded That depends. I vote for individuals, their overall stance on a variety of topics, not just one or two topics.

[ohsheeT]

I look at it like this let's say there are 5 other planets like earth. . You could end up going to one of those or come to earth... earth is beautiful there are a lot of tucked up people and our laws and the people that run the country are all corrupt, but the planet is beautifuli.\nWould rather go into a foster care home than to die but. And the same time maybe your right. Because all I'm going to do is come back again with another family to\n Experience what I came here to experience.

And then with the poor lady gave me up , went through mentally physically emotionally for a long period of time

When she passes, she has to live that same thing over again but she gets to feel exactly what I felt.
While being terminated. You think she had to live with it?
For a long period of time while she was here, just think when she gets back and she has to live with it again.

[Likes2drive]

Yeah, that is ironic isn’t it because they have no idea what to do with all these unplanned children that they were forced to have, the women that couldn’t afford to keep a child, but it was forced to by the state they live in is now forced to give them up for adoption, but that doesn’t always work out

[Jackblue]

The plan is simple the children will be cared for in foster care. Foster care in one of the wealthiest nations on earth is far from nothing.

[bunniesrcute]

@Jackblue it literally isn't. studies show foster cared kids are neglected and abused.

[Likes2drive]

@Jackblue I’ve heard a lot of bad things about foster care, I would rather not exist than end up there and never knowing my parents and knowing nobody wanted me. Probably why many of them end up as criminals

[Jackblue]

www.capstonefostercare.co.uk/.../10-celebrities-who-grew-up-in-foster-care Here are some famous people who grew up in Foster care and went on to do great things. I am not saying it is ideal, but it also isn't ideal for children to grow up in a lot of situations, like in North Korea, but does that mean it is better that they be killed?

[Likes2drive]

@Jackblue nobody’s killing them. Abortion is a lot different since they weren’t born yet and had a life. but there’s many arguments on when life actually starts, but in my opinion, it really doesn’t start until there is brain activity or heartbeat probably which probably doesn’t happen until three months. It certainly doesn’t start at conception. And the ones that are success stories are actually kind of rare from foster homes.

[bingbongbangbung]

Life begins at the moment of conception

[bunniesrcute]

dude it still doesn't bingbong.

[Likes2drive]

@bingbongbangbung that’s still debatable, lots of arguments on that

[Anonymous]

A lot of people would change their opinion on abortion if they were the ones going through an unplanned and undesired pregnancy.

[HighValue]

There is a simple and effective solution. Promiscuous people should be put in prison. If it wasn't for so much immorality, there wouldn't be much of a need for foster care or abortions. MOST of it would be solved by what I suggested, but since so many women are immoral, they would oppose any laws like that.

[bunniesrcute]

wdym immoral?

[goaded]

I suggest they all get put in the same prison, so they can breed like rabbits!

[caitycat21]

Whenever pro choice people bring this up it just comes of as absurdly bad faith. there's scientific consensus on life beginning at conception, as a result pro life people view personhood as also something that begins at conception so they’re generally against abortion viewing it as immoral with exceptions for cases like septic pregnancy and the like. Bringing up foster kids does nothing to counter that pro life positions as you’re not actually engaging with the core of their argument.

[bunniesrcute]

then why doesn't child support start at conception? wheres the birth certificate at conception?

at conception the fetus is a parasite and a clump of cells.

[yulbsari]

Thank you!

[caitycat21]

@bunniesrcute child support agreements are settled in court, what kind of question is this? I believe you’re deeply misinformed of pro life positions, no pro life person is arguing conception = they have been born, we argue at conception there’s a living human developing that deserves to be recognized as a person and not a “clump of cells”. If a fetus was just a clump of cells it would not develop into a baby lol

[caitycat21]

What’s retarded is calling a fetus a clump of cells as it’s functionally meaningless, it’s a buzzword only used to push pro choice positions but it honestly to me reveals pro choice people as actively being anti life because to push the idea that a fetus is a “parasitic clump of cells” is to implicitly say that it is bad for any woman to even chose to go through with a pregnancy?

A zygote has a complete human genome and is a self-organizing organism in early development, not a random blob of tissue. Even scientists who are staunchly pro-choice typically describe it as a human organism at an early stage

[bunniesrcute]

a fetus is literally a parasite and a clump of cells. do yk what a parasite is? in what world are u living? have kids if u want or not? idgaf

you do know a woman can only get an abortion before a certain week right?

[caitycat21]

A fetus has a symbiotic relationship to the mother, I’m unsure of where you’re getting the idea it’s parasitic because absolutely no scientific research backs this up?

[bunniesrcute]

do you know what a parasite is?

[caitycat21]

I’m aware of what a parasite is but I’m not too sure if you know

[bunniesrcute]

A parasite is an organism that lives off its hosts energy, AKA a fetus.

[caitycat21]

A parasite is not an organism that just lives off the hosts energy…a parasite lives on or in a host and often derives benefits from the host like nutrients while actively harming the host in the process. A fetus derives benefits for its development in the form of nutrients from the host mother while also benefits the health of the mother in the process (immune support)

A fetus is also of the same species as the host mother unlike a parasite and pregnancy is literally an essential part of human reproduction which is positive?

[bunniesrcute]

thats literally a fetus…
women go through so much more but oh! they get better immune support!

so? still a parasite wether u like it or not.

[caitycat21]

You couldn’t even properly describe what a parasite is and when I corrected you, you just agree with my definition and incorrectly collapse it into your argument 😭 jfc I’ll just end this here because it’s clear your incapable of having an intellectual conversation.

[bunniesrcute]

i literally did tho.

[David318578]

Sorry but this is a dumb argument. The pro lifers say that abortion is murder. If the solution to the 438000 kids in foster care is murder, by your own dumb argument, then your saying its ok to murder them.

Guess that would take care of the homeless problems as well?

We can get rid of welfare as well. Just murder them?

[jamesgoldman]

Basically what's coming from the WEF soon

[David318578]

@katiesmuff thats tue point and why its dumb, to solve this problem we need to murder them. Thats a dumb argument because that can be applied to all kinds of people.

If you want to make an argument against the pro life argument then you have to argue why its not murder, not try and justify why murder is ok. This is a fail of an argument unless you are psychopath.

Next time maybe you should think for a min before calling someone a "stupid fuck"

[katiesmuff]

Yes I should David and I apologize! I took the question differently than what you actually mean't !

[David318578]

@katiesmuff no worries

[bunniesrcute]

No my argument is, why do you care more for a child that isn't born than a child that already is born and suffering?

[David318578]

@bunniesrcute because one is being murdered would be my guess.

If the solution to suffering is murder then that really is opening up Pandoras box.

[bunniesrcute]

y'all preach about caring about kids until its born into an abusive household.

how can one be murdered without ever being born?

[David318578]

"how can someone be murdered without being born"? Because thats the pro life argument. They believe that human life begins at conception, that is the debate.

My point is if you are going to make an argument against a pro life argument, then you can't do what you did in this thread.

The anti pro life argument is that "its not murder" and give your reason why its not murder.. instead you justified the murder.. see the difference?

[bunniesrcute]

then wheres the birth certificate? how can something have a death certificate if it doesn't have a birth certificate?

because those people are never going to understand that. they’re way too deep into that hole and never getting out. all they want is control over women.

[David318578]

Most of the Amish communities do not have birth certificates, guess killing the Amish wouldn't be considered murder by your logic.

You saying "all they want is control over women" is just as dumb as your original point above.

Lets try it again.

THEY THINK ITS MURDER

Thats the argument, so you arguing anything that doesn't address the fact that they think its murder is stupid and pointless.

[bunniesrcute]

wheres ur source?

thats literally what you want. control over women. bc its not murder.

[David318578]

What I want? Sorry honey but im not a conservative, im a moderate so see the stupidity on both sides of the political spectrum.

But the fact you want sources to what your arguing against is crazy. Why are you trying to make an argument against a side you have no idea what they believe in?

Next time you want to make a political argument, try googling what the other side believes so you can save yourself some embarrassment.

[bunniesrcute]

right… right…

i meant the amish thing, im way too lazy to google it.

[katiesmuff]

OK!😊👍

[purplepoppy]

People vocally against abortions aren't bothered about the embryo of a complete stranger. For them it's entirely a political game they enjoy playing.

[Bricealan]

@bunniesrcute You are correct, and we explored this thoroughly when I was an undergraduate student, working in a social work environment. Foster Care, sucks, and is a poor substitute for adoption WHICH does not happen enough

[Anonymous]

My mother was brutally raped at 14 she didn't get an abortion. Im glad I got the chance to live.

[bunniesrcute]

i feel so bad for your mother, having to live with a reminder that she was raped every single day.

[Opinion Owner]

My mother loves me. She wasn't willing to execute me in the womb for what my father did.

[bunniesrcute]

Ok good for you, i still feel bad for her.

[Opinion Owner]

True but she didn't have to live with murder.

[bunniesrcute]

it wouldn't be murder, get educated.

[Opinion Owner]

I was alive in mother's womb.
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[bunniesrcute]

i dont really care tbh

[Ariesman81]

Thank you anonymous. You are indeed living proof that positivity can come from tragedy. Whether you realize it or not, you have just altered my position on abortion for rape victims.

[bunniesrcute]

@Ariesman81 its pure luck. she got lucky her mom wanted to keep her and wanted to take care of her, not everybody has the same experience.

How has she changed your position?

[Ariesman81]

@bunniesrcute

No thanks. I'd rather talk to Anonymous.

[Opinion Owner]

Wouldn't matter. As long as i got the opportunity to live.

[bunniesrcute]

@Ariesman81 too scared to answer the question?

[Armourdillo]

Airesman81 now feels justified in being a rapist

[Ariesman81]

@Armourdillo

That's what you got out of that?

[Armourdillo]

Yes, you use kids as a way to justify rape.

[Ariesman81]

@Armourdillo

News to me. Do I also justify murder?

[Brittanyroseee]

Good for u i was raped and would have killed the rapist baby if i got pregnant

[Amur8711]

The waiting list is years to adopt a child, seems to me that needs fixed. So because the adoption system sucks you think its okay to murder an individual that did nothing wrong. When the person that wants the abortion was irresponsible and had sex despite knowing they can't support or they don't want a child. 🤔

[bunniesrcute]

the fetus won't feel a thing

[Amur8711]

Thats been proven wrong.

So is it wrong to kill someone thats paralyzed because they won't feel a thing?

[bunniesrcute]

not before 20 weeks.

i dont really care tbh, whats a life worth living if u can't feel a thing?

[MrOracle]

So, @bunniesrcute if I put you under anesthesia, so you won't feel anything, it's perfectly okay to kill you? That's your argument?

[bunniesrcute]

sure idc, i wouldn't feel it, thats a way i would like to die.

the difference between me and a fetus is that i actually have a life, a fetus doesn't. Hope that helps!

[bingbongbangbung]

A fetus has a life because life is created at the moment of conception. You can deny science as much as you want, but that will never change the reality

[bunniesrcute]

it doesn't tho. the fetus doesn't have a job? friends? doesn't have anything.

[Agape93]

Because they only care about controlling women like they used to be allowed to do.

[Bricealan]

@Agape93 That is another reason why I agree with abortion rights, in that any woman should never be forced to bear a child that she does not want to have, and that in itself is morally reprehensible

[beefcakebradybatson]

As old time Detroit, Mich. leftist talk show host Peter Werbe, now 85 and to whose radio show I listened from 1984 until its Hallowe'en 2016 cancelling, said,95% of these "pro-lifers" are fetus fetishists, loving the unborn at the mother's expense while caring nothing about living children, doing absolutely ZILCH to aid poverty-stricken lasses and lads to reach their full potential.

[katiesmuff]

There are many valid reasons for abortion which doesn't include just wanting to get rid of a mistake.

[Flower7]

Do you mean health reasons?

[katiesmuff]

@Flower7 Yes it does

[FreyaRed]

Pro lifers don't care about kids it's just display of power and influence they want over politicians.

If you don't want an abortion then don't abort your pregnancies but don't tell others what they have to do.

[Anonymous]

Simple, being killed is worse then being in foster care. There are plenty of couple who can't have kids of their own and would love to adopt but can't because of the cost and red tape. Some of the kids in foster care are there not because their parents were bad parents, they are there because CPS is corrupt and broken resulting in kids being taken out of good homes while other kids who truly need to be taken aren't.

[bunniesrcute]

you wouldn't even know ur killed?

there are thousands of kids they can adopt.

yeah thats sad, but thats not what my question was about.

[Anonymous]

You're confused. "foster child" refers to a child who has been placed in temporary care by the state. Many children in foster care are eventually reunited with their biological families or placed with other relative. Babies get adopted, at such a high rate that parents wanting to adopt get put on a waiting list for years.

[bunniesrcute]

and the ones who dont?

[Opinion Owner]

They stay in foster care until they age out of the system. Most people don't want to adopt a 17 year old, they want and do adopt infants.

I'm pro choice by the way. However, the only good pro choice argument is it's nobody's else's business except for the parents. Adoption and foster care are two separate things with two different goals.

[bunniesrcute]

and traumatized and never have a real childhood. do you know how much that effects a person?

[Opinion Owner]

Unrelated to your question.

[bunniesrcute]

no it really isn't.

[Anonymous]

Abortion is not a crime. This prolifers also glorify teen pregnancy it's disgusting.

[NoDecision]

Maybe if some dumb shits used "protection", there would not be so many kids up for adoption.

[bunniesrcute]

and if people were taught sex ed in school people would know how it worked

[NoDecision]

Exactly! Wait, some schools do have sex ed. Guess they are too busy texting nudes to each other to pay attention. 😅

[bunniesrcute]

then teach better

[Miristheiss]

Because people have the right to not be murdered by women who want consequence free promiscuity.

They exist. It is there right to live. Being in foster care is not a death sentence.

[bunniesrcute]

but men can just leave and have to take 0 accountability?
foster care kids get neglected and abused in most cases, so it basically is.
if ur against murdering fetuses maybe go adopt every kid in foster care.

[Armourdillo]

Exactly, they instead have ice rip babies from their mothers wounds and Chuck them over the border because they're not citizens and can't show proof of residency, that's ethical

[bunniesrcute]

I don't know why u brought up ice?

[Armourdillo]

Because there People who hate abortion so much don't care if ICE kills babies. E

[bunniesrcute]

well thats not what the question was about.

[Armourdillo]

This guy will literally clap and cheer watching them club immigrant children to death but then claim to be a moral saint Because he's against abortion

[bunniesrcute]

yeah he’s an ass, i know that already.

[Miristheiss]

That doesn't kill a baby.

[Miristheiss]

@Armourdillo
You are evil.

[bunniesrcute]

it gives them trauma and an awful childhood.

[MannMitAntworten]

I am totally for people, aborting their kids. Especially since those who wish to abort are exactly those people who I do not wish to multiply in the first place.

[Armourdillo]

Say th n word, I know you want to

[MannMitAntworten]

You would be incorrect. I was thinking spoiled upperclass white leftist. By the way, my friend sitting beside me … I read your response to him. He laughed while calling you part of the problem for even suggesting the notion.

[Armourdillo]

I hope he didn't bite!

[bunnyboo24]

Cause its a human life. 99% of abortions wouldn't have happend if people had more self discapline

[BadApple69]

Isn’t birth control better than murder?
Have the guy wear a damn condom for goodness sake!

[bunniesrcute]

there's still a chance u could get pregnant, and sometimes shit just happens.

[BadApple69]

So I never thought too much about abortion until girls started using it as birth control. That’s when I started taking notice. There are so many different types of birth control these days and very effective. An ex who was a nurse used to take injections that lasted for 3 months… seemed to work fine. We were very active and no pregnancy.
If the guy is a one night stand then you be on something, plus make him wear a condom.
If something just happens then there is plan -B which is very effective. There are so many options other than abortion.

[bunniesrcute]

no woman is using abortion as birth control🤦‍♀️😐

birth control is never 100% protection. guess u got lucky then🤷‍♀️

[BadApple69]

Actually there are women that take the chance and if they get pregnant they just run off to the abortion clinic. I saw a woman talking online that she had 29 abortions. That wasn’t 29 times birth control failed, she was using as birth control.
Birth control fails can’t possibly account for the 1.14 million abortions in 2024.

[bunniesrcute]

and you believed that?💀
look up at the ceiling it says gullible.

never said all the times protection fails = abortion💀

[BadApple69]

This is from the CDC: number of abortions.

4th or more: 8% of women in 2021 had their fourth or more abortion.
3rd: 11% of women in 2021 had their third abortion.
2nd: 24% of women in 2021 had their second abortion.
Repeat abortions: Around 47% of women who have an abortion have had at least one previous abortion.

47% have had multiple abortions.
1.14 million in 2024. That’s 535,800 women who have had multiple abortions A YEAR.

[bunniesrcute]

and?

[Chazmatazz269]

They are wholly unrelated issues and one is not the solution to the other. Only complete morons use this example.

[Armourdillo]

Instead of aborting them, wait for them be born, revoke their citizenship and have ICE throw them over the border and blame Mexico if the baby dies

[dragoblack]

The biggest issue is the willful lack of understanding of what an abortion is, but they would rather go on what misinformation & propaganda the media & politicians have told them over the years.

[Ariesman81]

How about women who abandon and murder kids should just stop fucking. Or at least dye their hair purple so we can tell them apart from the good women.

[bunniesrcute]

the good women? the good women who have kids even if they dont want any and abuse and neglect them because they submitted to societal standards by having kids?

[Ariesman81]

Missing the point again.

[bunniesrcute]

how am i missing the point? because you defend rapists? want women to have 0 rights and being forced to give birth to kids they dont want?

[Ariesman81]

I'm not defending rapists. I'm praising good women who don't hold an innocent child responsible for something they were not responsible for.

[bunniesrcute]

answer me this, how can one be killed without ever being born?

[Ariesman81]

How can one be born if it's murdered?

[bunniesrcute]

you tell me🤷‍♀️

[Ariesman81]

The solution to the problem is self control and accountability. Not the pill, not abortion and not adoption.

[bunniesrcute]

sure, but things happen. mistakes happen or maybe a woman gets raped. shit happens. you need to get your head out of your ass and stop hating women.

[bunniesrcute]

and you do realise if u ban all those things, women would just stop having sex at all, who would have sex with you?

[Ariesman81]

Responsible women who want kids?

[bunniesrcute]

aren't any left if men like you still exist.

[Ariesman81]

I know. I'm too good

[bunniesrcute]

yeah no

[Ariesman81]

Ahh, you're young yet. You got plenty of time to make mistakes.

[bunniesrcute]

what’d i do?

[Godihateyou]

Fostercare proves how many people hate baby murder. Literally people will raise a troubled kid out of the kindness of their heart. There are even more people willing to foster than There are foster kids. If only people would stop killing babies

[bunniesrcute]

its pointless talking to you

[bingbongbangbung]

Yeah it is pointless when you keep claiming a fetus isn't considered a living being, when the science says that all life begins at the moment of conception

[bunniesrcute]

it still doesn't.

[bunniesrcute]

not you again

[Godihateyou]

"You encountered a wandering cunt"

[bunniesrcute]

sure did

[Anonymous]

That’s one hell of a typo. Proof read before hitting send. It’s a potential human, it has the necessary matter to grow into a human but it’s still just potential.

[Anonymous]

well at least I know why no one has ever accused pro-abortionists of being smart

especially when there's stupid arguments like this

[bunniesrcute]

how is this stupid again? and how is forcing a woman to give birth smart?

[Opinion Owner]

how is anything being forced when nobody is doing anything?

even if abortion was banned and nobody wanted to perform an abortion, it still wouldn't be forced

insisting someone to perform an abortion is actually them being forced

[bunniesrcute]

if abortion was banned and a woman was pregnant, she would be forced to give birth.

[Opinion Owner]

no it still wouldn't be forced. giving birth is a natural process. it's not someone either you or I can randomly make happen. we can't speed it up or slow it down

[bunniesrcute]

so? its still forced if u dont want it or can't do anything about it.

[Opinion Owner]

no it's not. giving birth doesn't just happen out of nowhere. it can't be forced

by your logic, someone who is tired from being drunk is being forced to be tired

[bunniesrcute]

if somebodys refused an abortion its a forced birth.

i mean technically yeah🤷‍♀️

[Opinion Owner]

giving birth is a natural process. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand

you're basically blaming bystanders for a natural process

[Opinion Owner]

do you even know how giving birth begins? it starts with pregnancy which comes from having sex

no one is forcing you to have sex and thus no one is forcing you to give birth. it's a natural process

[bunniesrcute]

sure but things happen, or maybe she was raped.

just because its a natural process doesn't mean it can't be forced.

[Opinion Owner]

something that is forced requires an external influence that can either slow down, speed up or stop the process completely

[bunniesrcute]

just because its natural doesn't mean it can't be forced.

[Opinion Owner]

you just repeated yourself

[bunniesrcute]

yet its not getting in ur head.

[Opinion Owner]

why should I allow your faulty logic to get in my head?

[bunniesrcute]

its not faulty tho

[Opinion Owner]

it is when you don't understand the meaning of forced

[bunniesrcute]

it is tho

[bunniesrcute]

ur logic makes no sense. if a woman doesn't want to give birth, no one should force her.

[Opinion Owner]

nobody is forcing her when they do nothing. do you even know how giving birth happens?

[bunniesrcute]

omfg🤦‍♀️

[guesswhereivebeen]

That’s the thing… they care so much about them until they are born

[Jackblue]

Many people who were raised in foster care grow up to have fulfilling lives. George Carlin was delusional when he claimed that the children born in the US have nothing.

[Jackblue]

I have a counter challenge for pro-abortion people. Find me a single individual who doesn't have a direct ancestor who had a worse life than most of the children growing up in foster care today. Aren't you glad they weren't aborted?

[LiamS95]

There is the option of responsible sex snd using effective birth control then there woild be no need for abortion or kids in foster homes.

[bunniesrcute]

sure but shit happens.

[LiamS95]

Not for me so far.

[bunniesrcute]

okay? but for others.

[Anonymous]

Are you suggesting we should kill children in foster care?

[bunniesrcute]

yeah thats exactly what im saying😐

[Opinion Owner]

Well, it makes as much sense as justifying abortion because there are too many kids in foster care.

[bunniesrcute]

the fetus won't feel a thing

[Opinion Owner]

Are you sure about that?

[Opinion Owner]

So it's ok to kill as long as you make it painless?

[bunniesrcute]

yeah

[Opinion Owner]

You're cool

[bunniesrcute]

ik right?

[_piotr]

Easy. Murdering children is never an option for them.

[Jennz6]

How can anyone believe it Abortion? It’s so wrong.

[noohair]

That is like saying, if I cut off all my toes I will never get an ingrown toenail…

[bunniesrcute]

what?

[noohair]

Yes, what... if you can't wrap your head around my analogy, you need to exercise your brain...

[bunniesrcute]

no thats a stupid comparison.

[noohair]

Aborting babies to maybe potentially keep them out of foster care is evil.

[bunniesrcute]

let me guess.
• ur republican
• ur racist
• ur a trumpie
• ur religious
• u want a slave as a wife

how many did i get right?

[noohair]

lol... you are a joke. I am a unique individual and I don't fit into any of your tropes. I do not belong to any political party. I consider that all politicians suck. They all belong to the Professional Political Overseer Class. I tolerate Trump simply because he is not part of the Political Overseer Class...

[bunniesrcute]

unique is what they call special kids for a reason

[noohair]

You are unique too...

[bunniesrcute]

not really, im pretty basic

[noohair]

Every human being is unique...

[bunniesrcute]

thats a lie, basically everybody is the same

[msc545]

Mostly because being in foster care is still preferable to being a murder victim.

[bunniesrcute]

how would u know ur murdered?

[Anonymous]

So your argument is that any unborn child at risk for ending up in a foster home should be killed? Got it.

[Kori1236]

Not necessarily. But we should be more concerned with the children up for adoption and in the foster systems needing homes as opposed to a procedure that shouldn’t be anyone’s business but the ones involved in the conception or just her and the doctor.

[Opinion Owner]

@Kori1236 Be sure to ask the baby's opinion before killing him/her.

[Kori1236]

Sure if it was actually a baby it’s a potential human.

[Opinion Owner]

@Kori1236 The mental gymnastics a mother goes through to convince herself it's okay to CHOOSE to pay someone to kill her own child within her own body as a matter of her convenience must be truly debilitating.

[Anonymous]

I completely agree with you on this.

[loveyouoak]

I agree with you.

[CupOfCoffee6]

Cause they want to control us.

[BarryLiverstone]

People are against murder

[seeyounexttuesday]

Because abortion birders a human. Hope this helps.

[bunniesrcute]

birders?

[Kori1236]

Birders? What’s that. And technically it’s a zygote or fetus. Potential to become a human yes.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Kori1236 murders. Oh noes, a typo. And it’s a human. There’s nothing potential about it.

[Kori1236]

That’s one hell of a typo, like not even remotely close to the correct spelling. Proof read next time. And no it’s the potential to become a human until a decision is made to keep or terminate a pregnancy it’s nothing more than a parasite. You were once a parasite, I was once a parasite. We were all parasites.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Kori1236 I’d rather hear the scientific basis for calling a human fetus a ‘parasite’. Where’d you get this nugget of scientific knowledge.

[Kori1236]

Never once said it was scientific just a simple comparison considering fetuses act remarkably like parasites.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Kori1236 except they aren’t. Ever take a minute to reflect why you find the need to use dehumanizing language towards unborn children? I doubt you have.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Kori1236 yawn. Trying so hard to be edgy, eh?

[Kori1236]

Sure we’ll call a personal opinion edgy. So here’s the thing you can be against abortion all you want but unless you are the one involved in making the fetus your opinion on someone else’s choice is irrelevant

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Kori1236 well yeah it is. That’s how a society works. We decide that live is valuable so we make it a crime to end someone else’s

[Kori1236]

No, if something cannot survive outside its host it’s not a crime to end that. Where as if someone were to kill you that counts as a crime.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Kori1236 a baby born two weeks ago can’t survive on its own. Ok to kill that too?

[Kori1236]

Key word born likely at full term meaning all organs can work to sustain life.

[captain_voidwalker]

Because murdering children is just plain evil

[Lliam]

How do you feel about Jews murdering Palestinians?

[captain_voidwalker]

About the same as when Palestinians murder jews. I dont particularly like it but thats a 5000 year old grudge match at this point.

[Lliam]

No, it's a 78 year old campaign of theft, execution, rape, and brutality by Eastern European descendants of Talmudic Khazarians whose intent was, and still is, to cleans Palestine of its inhabitants and create an ethno-religious state.
There was no conflict before they arrived. And Palestinians originally welcomed them with generosity.
For centuries, Muslims, Christians and Jews had lived in the region harmony as neighbors.

How many Jewish children have Palestinians shot down in cold blood, dismembered and burned to death with bombs, and starved to death? The answer is zero.
But somehow Israelis always manage to portray themselves as the victims.

[captain_voidwalker]

Lol no dude people have been fighting over that land since before Egypt built the pyramids. Zero children... bullshit hamas terrorist are notorious for targeting women and children. And don't feed me that horse shit about Palestine not being the same as hamas, they clearly go out of thier way to hide and support them.

[Lliam]

Oh, were Muslims attacking Jews back then. LMAO. Where did you get your education, from TV news?

Given your attitude toward Palestinians, your opinion about abortion being evil is beyond hypocritical. You support theft through butchery. You support people who are far more evil than the Nazis. Oh, but you care about fetuses. How compassionate.

[Anonymous]

I love you hun 😘